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Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
As many people losing their jobs and income, and with uncertain times ahead, have anyone spotted some shift in women behavior yet?

As in, during peaceful, secure times, women don't care about provider men so much and just having "the time of their life's", knowing that state will support them.

And in uncertain time of unemployment and crisis of state, women are changing their attitudes towards men who can provide, since they realize, they probably could not rely on the states for support as before.

Have anyone observing these shifts on SMP yet?
Do you think, the SMP dynamics would be significantly changed due to this crisis?
03-24-2020 03:20 AM
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
I still have a phone with a tinder account in Colombia. I was bored and was swiping on it a bit just for fun. I was getting some pretty insane matches.

Could just be bored girls at home. But that's my report.

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03-24-2020 09:07 AM
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
You could merge your thread with mine, by the way : https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74817.html

It's a fact that these times will bring interesting developments, regarding relationships. Many will be strained, and often broken, by unnatural confinement with the other. Other opportunities will surge for men who'll dare defy Establishment-crafted unjust quarantine.
03-24-2020 09:15 AM
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
(03-24-2020 09:07 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  I still have a phone with a tinder account in Colombia. I was bored and was swiping on it a bit just for fun. I was getting some pretty insane matches.

Could just be bored girls at home. But that's my report.

Tinder made the passport feature free until the end of April as part of a social distancing effort.
03-24-2020 01:49 PM
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
(03-24-2020 03:20 AM)petburi Wrote:  As many people losing their jobs and income, and with uncertain times ahead, have anyone spotted some shift in women behavior yet?

As in, during peaceful, secure times, women don't care about provider men so much and just having "the time of their life's", knowing that state will support them.

And in uncertain time of unemployment and crisis of state, women are changing their attitudes towards men who can provide, since they realize, they probably could not rely on the states for support as before.

Have anyone observing these shifts on SMP yet?
Do you think, the SMP dynamics would be significantly changed due to this crisis?

Marriage is for good times, not bad times. Relationships struggle under the weight of economic problems. You're much better off single right now unless you have some kind of sugar momma.

I don't think that's the situation that women will need providers more than they need them now. Women are very much supported by men one way or another, it just isn't from a committed partner as much as it was in the past. Generally, its their daddies -- and the parents of millennial /gen-z chicks are very indulgent. Even my 30yo Masters Degree earning girlfriend was still having her apartment, car, and cell phone subsidized by her parents, which to me was a huge red flag for our financial situation. More likely than not, they will move home and leach off their parents because that's their way.

"Provider men". How can we provide if the economy tanks? It's going to make us worse off to support a spouse frankly...

I wouldn't hedge your bets on dating or finding women during the economic catastrophe (seems like a misplaced priority), I'd focus more on stacking cash and building stability if you don't already have that... There's always time for dating after the fallout.

No matter what, we're all going to be worse off than we were last year unless we work in biotech lol.

Half my relationships have ended due to me wanting to have more financial control of my life, and cutting a woman out who seems to need to be endlessly entertained is a good start.
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
This isn’t a good time for day-gaming (or wife-hunting) at the supermarket, that’s for sure.
03-24-2020 05:17 PM
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
(03-24-2020 09:07 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  I still have a phone with a tinder account in Colombia. I was bored and was swiping on it a bit just for fun. I was getting some pretty insane matches.

Could just be bored girls at home. But that's my report.

This is what I had been doing during the last four weeks. I had switched my account to Colombia and Brazil and was getting crazy matches. My phone was (and still is) jammed with beautiful, feminine Latin American girls.

Alas, within 48 hours of having booked my flight, the world ended.
03-25-2020 08:08 AM
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
Yes, I've noticed that women are friendlier now if you go out in public. They make eye contact more and are more approachable. Part of it could be scarcity, as most people are staying home right now. But, if you're dressed well and look relaxed and in control, it appears to me that women will be more drawn to you right now.
03-25-2020 01:13 PM
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
it seems that in SEA for example, women are nice and friendly because there they are always kinda in a survival mode and they know they could not rely on the government.
So they are very glad to obtain some security by associating with foreigner, who supposedly have means to provide.

While in the West women had super easy times and don't give a flying fuck to the ordinary men. Now they may shift their attitude after they realize, that all of a sudden they are not much secured anymore, unless they will got together with man who can provide.
03-25-2020 04:02 PM
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
When shit got real (think mid-March), a bunch of women from my past hit me up on various platforms. Some hot ones too. Needless to say, I ignored all of their messages. It's nothing personal, I just don't play games.

In a time of "crisis" like this (even when no one's really dying), women will naturally go into survival mode. Cue melodramatic videos on social media, heartfelt speeches about curve flattening, and frantic messaging to everyone in their networks. Any man in his right mind won't pay any mind. But there's a second component to this...

Women seek security in insecure times. Their natural reaction to this? To seek out strong men who they can cling onto as the storm passes. But here's the rub: What do you think happens when the storm passes? Best know that, in classic female fashion, the vast majority will have learned little, slowly sliding back into their shitty, western ways as their conditions become more favorable. Bottom line: I am not a tree to be leaned the rain and then cut down when the clouds part.

These girls hitting my line... man, really makes me think: they didn't hit me up to wish me a happy new year, but they pop out the woodwork in the middle of a crisis? This is where frame comes in - they can fuck right off.
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
I'll try and keep this as brief as possible.

I had matched with a Polish girl in Warsaw who was just my type around two years ago. She was cute and feminine and as we talked it it became apparent she had a thing for guys with my nationality.

Alas, I was catching a flight out that day and we never met. When I was back in town a few months later I hit her up but she ignored me message.

We remained contacts on IG without speaking. Soon after we stopped talking she posted engagement pics with her new Russian goofball fiancé. Which is why I suspect she never replied to my message.

Back to the present day, and a few nights back she started engaging with me via a pic I posted. She then sends me a DM to apologise for never reaching out to me, and for not meeting me.

"Perhaps we should have," she said.

She then says "You are way too handsome for me and I got scared". She is also mentioning the fiancé in a somewhat disparaging way, saying "who knows if it will work out".

I'm not a clueless incel, so I'm guessing this quarantine is making some chicks go a little stir crazy. I suppose I played into her hands by engaging with her.

The next day I respond to her message and she says "When I saw I had a message I was hoping it was you." But also says "Can we risk being friends?"

Is the right response to simply not engage with girls who may be attention whoring during these strange times - or to play them at their own game?

Asking for future reference I suppose because I am always fully conscious of the manipulation women are very skilled at orchestrating.
03-26-2020 08:17 AM
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
(03-26-2020 08:17 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  I'll try and keep this as brief as possible.

I had matched with a Polish girl in Warsaw who was just my type around two years ago. She was cute and feminine and as we talked it it became apparent she had a thing for guys with my nationality.

Alas, I was catching a flight out that day and we never met. When I was back in town a few months later I hit her up but she ignored me message.

We remained contacts on IG without speaking. Soon after we stopped talking she posted engagement pics with her new Russian goofball fiancé. Which is why I suspect she never replied to my message.

Back to the present day, and a few nights back she started engaging with me via a pic I posted. She then sends me a DM to apologise for never reaching out to me, and for not meeting me.

"Perhaps we should have," she said.

She then says "You are way too handsome for me and I got scared". She is also mentioning the fiancé in a somewhat disparaging way, saying "who knows if it will work out".

I'm not a clueless incel, so I'm guessing this quarantine is making some chicks go a little stir crazy. I suppose I played into her hands by engaging with her.

The next day I respond to her message and she says "When I saw I had a message I was hoping it was you." But also says "Can we risk being friends?"

Is the right response to simply not engage with girls who may be attention whoring during these strange times - or to play them at their own game?

Asking for future reference I suppose because I am always fully conscious of the manipulation women are very skilled at orchestrating.


It seems that you cared for this girl and her not responding to you hurt you.

Now she's getting back to you.

It provides an ego boost like "yeah girl you realize now you missed your chance".

But still you know something is up, she isn't genuine and you want revenge : "to play her at her own game".

So my advice would have been to just ignore her but you already answered her.
In this case you could answer her the truth with no bitterness and no will to hurt her. You can say to her that it was nice to chat before, you were eager to meet her at that time and it was too bad that we missed the chance. You moved on and I don't blame you for it. You've met somebody, I wish you the best, God bless.

Straight to the point, no bullshit and you show her that you are not willing play her games.

One last thing and the most important one. If a woman has that effect on you as to wonder wether to ignore or play her at her own game it shows that you still care too much about women.

Something of that effect happened to me lately that showed me that I too still cared deep down and was still driven by past hurt. I asked God for the graces to know why it was still like that despite the fact that I made huge progress in that matter. I understood that I still had to tackle the root of the problem and definitely let my old ways behind ("poor me, women don't like me boohoo, it's not fair") and let the old man die in me.

I don't know if you believe in God but I'll recommend you introspection to know why you cared that much for this girl that you've never met and what you can learn from this to grow as a man and be more balanced and adjusted.
03-26-2020 10:35 AM
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
(03-26-2020 10:35 AM)Deusleveult Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 08:17 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  I'll try and keep this as brief as possible.

I had matched with a Polish girl in Warsaw who was just my type around two years ago. She was cute and feminine and as we talked it it became apparent she had a thing for guys with my nationality.

Alas, I was catching a flight out that day and we never met. When I was back in town a few months later I hit her up but she ignored me message.

We remained contacts on IG without speaking. Soon after we stopped talking she posted engagement pics with her new Russian goofball fiancé. Which is why I suspect she never replied to my message.

Back to the present day, and a few nights back she started engaging with me via a pic I posted. She then sends me a DM to apologise for never reaching out to me, and for not meeting me.

"Perhaps we should have," she said.

She then says "You are way too handsome for me and I got scared". She is also mentioning the fiancé in a somewhat disparaging way, saying "who knows if it will work out".

I'm not a clueless incel, so I'm guessing this quarantine is making some chicks go a little stir crazy. I suppose I played into her hands by engaging with her.

The next day I respond to her message and she says "When I saw I had a message I was hoping it was you." But also says "Can we risk being friends?"

Is the right response to simply not engage with girls who may be attention whoring during these strange times - or to play them at their own game?

Asking for future reference I suppose because I am always fully conscious of the manipulation women are very skilled at orchestrating.


It seems that you cared for this girl and her not responding to you hurt you.

Now she's getting back to you.

It provides an ego boost like "yeah girl you realize now you missed your chance".

But still you know something is up, she isn't genuine and you want revenge : "to play her at her own game".

So my advice would have been to just ignore her but you already answered her.
In this case you could answer her the truth with no bitterness and no will to hurt her. You can say to her that it was nice to chat before, you were eager to meet her at that time and it was too bad that we missed the chance. You moved on and I don't blame you for it. You've met somebody, I wish you the best, God bless.

Straight to the point, no bullshit and you show her that you are not willing play her games.

One last thing and the most important one. If a woman has that effect on you as to wonder wether to ignore or play her at her own game it shows that you still care too much about women.

Something of that effect happened to me lately that showed me that I too still cared deep down and was still driven by past hurt. I asked God for the graces to know why it was still like that despite the fact that I made huge progress in that matter. I understood that I still had to tackle the root of the problem and definitely let my old ways behind ("poor me, women don't like me boohoo, it's not fair") and let the old man die in me.

I don't know if you believe in God but I'll recommend you introspection to know why you cared that much for this girl that you've never met and what you can learn from this to grow as a man and be more balanced and adjusted.

Thank you very much for your very detailed and thoughtful response. I did indeed do what you said, and I had a perfectly pleasant conversation with her. I also agree with you that women can have too much of an impact and we are left trying to second guess them and project many of our own issues onto them.
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
https://www.wsj.com/articles/marriage-wi...lead_pos10

Quote:For those who are already married, the stresses and strains of marriage and family life in the time of Covid-19 will send thousands of couples to divorce court. Marital failure will be especially common for husbands and wives under the sway of what I call the “soul mate model” of marriage. The soul mate model—trumpeted in books like Elizabeth Gilbert’s “Eat, Pray, Love,” not to mention countless songs and rom-coms—is the idea that marriage is primarily about an intense emotional and romantic connection between two people and should last only so long as that connection remains happy and fulfilling for both parties. This self-centered model gained in popularity for many Americans starting in the 1970s, the “Me Decade.”

Really good point about how a partnership based on family, not love, sex, or ego can help us survive through times of hardship.
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I think the OP is right. I had a girl I went on a few dates with in January hit me up when shit got real. I ignored. I've also been noticing way more eye contact and smiles when I go out to exercise.
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(03-24-2020 03:35 PM)FullThrottleTX Wrote:  No matter what, we're all going to be worse off than we were last year unless we work in biotech lol.

Thankfully I work in biotech.
03-28-2020 11:55 AM
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RE: Relationships dynamics change in period of pandemic
I have noticed a change in behaviour from women both in person and via the net.

Even if there aren't any direct causes of worry for them, there's a lot of uncertainty, and I've noticed that women are especially "on edge" about current times. A stoic man who isn't shaken and remains positive (or has actual positive circumstances himself) is of enormous value.

I usually tell people "I'm enjoying the focus time and I expect it will be over in 6-9 weeks due to X and Y". People like to hear some form of certainty, even if nobody can possibly know for sure.

Women I already know are messaging me way more on the net, and in-person IOIs have been very noticeable (e.g. from brief conversation with girl in lift).

I imagine dating apps are overrun with dudes and girls aren't willing to meet, therefore overall terrible?
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Thots are bored AF now. No clubs, no girls night out, no dancing, no booty calls etc. Any attention they are giving you now is just to fill the voids that Chad's cock used to fill. Once they get that stimulus check they will forgot about you again.

If you check craigslsit now, there are tons of new "women" looking to meet up. I'm sure these are all prostitutes and ex-strippers laid off due to the lockdown.
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I still have my toys over. They're extra attentive now. If you're a degenerate and you were organizing your harem like you should have been this quarantine is nothing. Only downside is, often no longer having work, they can be even brattier when it's time to leave.
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A girl I told to pound sand last year just texted me asking for forgiveness. I'm sure being cooped up during quarantine is making her hamster wheel go into overdrive. All I can do is laugh and give her best wishes with my silence.
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My exs have been messaging me out of the blue
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