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(03-23-2020 07:40 PM)Lace em up Wrote:  Bug out bags are a great idea.

What many people overlook is a get home bag.

Those $2 emergency blankets can save your life, if forced to overnight out in the elements.

Chocolate contains caffeine, which most of us are addicted to.

A BIC lighter with 10' of duct tape wrapped around it.

Altoid survival kit (variety of small things that are multi-use and hard to replicate)

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Add Super Glue to that list.

Not only good for its intended uses, but (if you can't score the OTC medical grade stuff) works in a pinch to cover and protect minor cuts and scratches.

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03-24-2020 11:29 AM
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(03-22-2020 10:52 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  
Quote: My desire to get a gun for self defense has increased substantially.

One problem: ammo is now sold out as everyone stockpiles it.

People will definitely want more guns near the more vibrant urban environments.

That's why, as discussed in a much older thread, you don't shoot the cool stuff, shoot the old man calibers that the young folks don't even know exists, even when it's right there on the shelf. Like .308? Sure, so do I. Trouble is so do all the non-shooting fucks who bought half a dozen overpriced black rifles with their tax refund last year. They also bought every box of Winchester white box ammo in that caliber the minute the toilet paper sold out.

Instead, you could pick up a .270 and probably have a selection of different loads sitting in plain sight. Ditto for buying a .357 instead of a .40, .45 or 9mm. Bonus, the .357 also shoots .38 special too. But nobody likes revolvers now that Clint Eastwood is eighty years old. Want a shotgun? 12 gauge is nice, but I bet you can get 20 gauge when everyone else is scrambling for zombie loads of 12 ga. buck shot they don't even know how to properly deploy. Don't get me started on reloading - supplies are available even now for just about any caliber, and in the long run it's a cheaper way to shoot anyway.

Think outside the box. I was at a Lowes just today and the cleaning aisle was wiped out of many household cleaners - but there were four jugs of white vinegar - even labeled "cleaning vinegar" - sitting right next to the empty rows where ammonia used to be.

The point is, whether it be guns, ammo or some other staple, look for something useful that does the job and is available - it's probably not yet marked up.

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(03-22-2020 10:52 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Pay attention to local news even if it means ignoring the far more interesting national or global news.

The national stuff might affect you. The global stuff probably wont. But you don't want to be caught napping on the local stuff.

Guilty as charged. I am making an effort now to scan local MSM in order to keep up with local restrictions or developments, having long ago lost the habit of looking at any of the local "news" outlets.
It kills me to admit it, but facebook groups are actually good sources for up to the minute local info. You don't have to comment or join in, but find a facebook group that's about the local town or area where you live and let the busybodies do the work for you - apply your BS detector of course, but use their efforts.

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(03-22-2020 10:28 AM)Sam Malone Wrote:  But as far as he's concerned you're down to two rolls and have been rinsing your backside off over the bathtub after rationing eight squares per visit for yourself.

Wait, what ? Smile
03-25-2020 08:50 AM
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The supply chain is going to suffer as countries are restricting exports of food items which are staples for many people in the west.

Food rationing will not go over well with previous advice calling for calm and saying there is plenty of food. Most of the EU is a net importer.
03-25-2020 03:40 PM
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Regarding the apparent ammo shortage I'm hearing about, I've got plenty but it's not excessive. No stash can last forever, especially if, God forbid, you had to start using it for what it's intended for. I never learned to reload ammo. I will be learning and buying the required equipment.

Luckily, I have a buddy who reloads, so I can learn from him.

To second what someone else already has said, you need to target practice to stay sharp. Use cheap, small caliber ammo for that and for shooting varmints.
You can also kill a lot of food / small game with a 22 if SHTF. Don't use your high end expensive stuff unless it is necessary. It will become scarce if SHTF. Save it.

I see too many guys with expensive, large caliber weapons just wasting ammo ($$$) at the range to show off for other people. I know it's fun to shoot big guns, but think about what it costs you with each pull of the trigger and think about who you are showing your hand to.
03-25-2020 06:46 PM
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Honestly....None of this solo stuff is going to work. Successful prep is a team effort and be cognizant of local power players. Generically speaking I would be most concerned about local Mexican gangs and Biker gangs (1%ers in particular) because among the various cliques in any given small-medium size town those guys are typically the ones who are, on the local level, the ones with the best combination or organization, brains, and ability to project force.


Overall though as we go through this there’s significant opportunity to set up a more survival oriented role. Halted migration mean that the job market in rural areas just got massively better and it may be possible to work in those areas if you’re willing to take the lifestyle cut.

My advice is find a job now that lets you be based on a small town, and spend the time between now and the next crisis thoroughly integrating yourself. A lot of this can be accompanied relatively easily by joining some local organizations (Think something like an American Legion Post if you’re a veteran, Toastmasters, volunteer city committees, etc.) and putting in a few hours a week doing the scut work that other people won’t want to.

Speaking of bikers the more casual groups (Google what a “one piece patch” group means) is a good idea to get involved with if you own a motorcycle. For the most part their members are solid red state types and they’re always eager for young blood.
03-25-2020 07:40 PM
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^Agreed. Homesteading is a nice lifestyle choice but a terrible survival choice. Even the authors who spruik it have to build the most contrived fiction populated by the most brainless bad guys in order to paint a picture of credibly defending a homestead from a determined attack.

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(03-25-2020 11:11 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  ^Agreed. Homesteading is a nice lifestyle choice but a terrible survival choice. Even the authors who spruik it have to build the most contrived fiction populated by the most brainless bad guys in order to paint a picture of credibly defending a homestead from a determined attack.

Which is also why hoarding eventually reaches the point of diminishing returns. Lets say you beat everybody to the toilet paper racks at BJ's Wholesale Club before the next catastrophe hit. You have your own farm, a well, cases of ammo and MREs stacked to the ceiling. But as things get worse, you've become so psychologically attached to this now-immovable pile of stuff that you stubbornly stick around long after your senses already told you it's time to un-ass the area. Then the bad things happen and it's too late to get out.

You should buy what you need, but don't overdo it. It isn't realistic to expect to keep a lifetime supply of shaving cream, scotch tape and motor oil in your garage forever.

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Reality. How many reliable people does it take to keep military level opsec over a stash of supplies?

Answer: More than one.

How many people does it take to keep military level opsec over a self sufficient homestead?

Answer: Way way WAY more than one.

As stated elsewhere, if things ever go Mad-Max then towns will become like city states complete with walls and towers. Farms will be things that are worked by the peasantry during the day and kept watch over at night only by regional scouts backed up by rapid response teams.

During times like those you want to be sleeping behind large walls protected by many men with guns.

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I've been looking into vertical gardening. Having one seems like a huge advantage in the world now. You will have a fresh supply of fruits, herbs and vegetables no matter the season or weather or whatever happens at the supermarket.

The main difficulties for me are setup expense and finding room to put one.
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Where do you buy toilet paper and n95 masks? Everywhere is sold out. I guess you can catch Walmart before they run out ?

Amazon is out of stock, no idea when they will get more. Target is completely empty of these items

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(03-26-2020 07:40 AM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  But as things get worse, you've become so psychologically attached to this now-immovable pile of stuff that you stubbornly stick around long after your senses already told you it's time to un-ass the area. Then the bad things happen and it's too late to get out.

I remember that plot...

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Restricting the amount of people in supermarkets is going to do nothing except piss people off and make people feel they need to rush out of the house to get ahead, leading to larger crowds. Theres already large lines outside ASDA, Tesco, Morrisons etc.

And since when is it a good idea to be in a air conditioned building with a bug going around? Its not as if the air is cleaned.

Two-three weeks into these measures and I swear more and more people are going to lose it.

I will plan on going later in the evening to steadily increase my supply.
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Increasingly attending supermarkets as close to closing time as possible will be a good idea. Not only will there be less customers in the store but the shelf stackers will have begun breaking down the recent deliveries so a lot of the stuff that was gone by mid-day will be heading back on the shelves or at least available on request.

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03-27-2020 09:28 AM
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I usually did that anyway but that was when they had 24/hour openings. Now its 10pm or earlier.
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So when is actually the right time to take your go-bag and E&E out to the mountains to live off the land?

It would be awkward if I put my zombie apocalypse disaster contingency plan into action and gone all "Lord of the Flies" mountain bum survivalist mode, while everyone else just stayed home for a few days and then went back to normal...
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(03-27-2020 10:04 AM)RWIsrael Wrote:  So when is actually the right time to take your go-bag and E&E out to the mountains to live off the land?

Never. You need to have a destination where you have supplies. Preferably at a family member's rural home. People planning to live off the land are planning to die.

Quote:It would be awkward if I put my zombie apocalypse disaster contingency plan into action and gone all "Lord of the Flies" mountain bum survivalist mode, while everyone else just stayed home for a few days and then went back to normal...

Very true. You need to be able to establish a prolonged downward social spiral from which there is little to no chance of escape. Alternately it will be blatantly apparent from the word go. An EMP or a civilisation-ending solar flare for example. Don't forget that people are sometimes forced from their homes by other events like war or serious riots. The whole point of a go-bag is that it's ready for the stuff you don't see coming a mile away.

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(03-25-2020 06:46 PM)Sargon2112 Wrote:  Regarding the apparent ammo shortage I'm hearing about, I've got plenty but it's not excessive. No stash can last forever, especially if, God forbid, you had to start using it for what it's intended for. I never learned to reload ammo. I will be learning and buying the required equipment.

Luckily, I have a buddy who reloads, so I can learn from him.

To second what someone else already has said, you need to target practice to stay sharp. Use cheap, small caliber ammo for that and for shooting varmints.
You can also kill a lot of food / small game with a 22 if SHTF. Don't use your high end expensive stuff unless it is necessary. It will become scarce if SHTF. Save it.

I see too many guys with expensive, large caliber weapons just wasting ammo ($$$) at the range to show off for other people. I know it's fun to shoot big guns, but think about what it costs you with each pull of the trigger and think about who you are showing your hand to.

FWIW you can buy "practice lasers" for the popular 9 mm round. You insert these into the breach, and every time the hammer clicks the laser, a dot shows up on the wall right where you're aiming. It helped me with accuracy at the range with real ammo.

https://www.amazon.com/G-Sight-Luger-Tra...414&sr=8-3

I used these to practice for a few shooting tourneys I did. Just went in my garage and, at about 7 yards, practiced on sillouette targets taped to the back wall.

Yeah, it's not shooting real ammo for which there is no substitute, but it's better than nothing and you don't have to buy ammo to "practice" Like I said, I saw improvements.

You can couple that with the the "Splits" app or some other shooting timing app on your phone. you press a button and a buzzer goes off a few seconds later that indicates when you draw and shoot ( from concealed carry or a holster) It helps with speed. That's what shooting's all about - accuracy AND speed.

They may have these breach lasers for other calibers too. I haven't checked.

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For you Canadians on here, having a bucket or two of .22 rounds is handy. They are quiet, light, last forever, and can be loaded into larger mags. They can also blast out the lungs and shatter ribs of a human at 10m no problem.

Right now though its more of a 'know your neighbors' scenario.

Keep off the streets.

Have food for at least two weeks.

HAVE A PLAN.

No one in Canada is gonna be able to bug out with a bag and head into the woods for more than a couple months before they die of exposure. Probably less.

Now if you want to Road War, that is a different story.
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UK folks: if you're hitting up the supermarkets for toilet paper, pasta, meat etc then good bloody luck because that's what everybody else does. I tried Poundstretchers at a retail park yesterday and was the only person in there. No shortage of toilet paper or anything else, really. Also try The Range, B&M, Home Bargains etc.

Also try your Polish shops. The ones near me have shedloads of pasta, butter, canned goods etc. Oh, and loads of booze.
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(03-27-2020 12:31 PM)Matsufubu Wrote:  Also try your Polish shops. The ones near me have shedloads of pasta, butter, canned goods etc. Oh, and loads of booze.

shhhh, we dont want to tell the plebs.
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Maybe someone mentioned it, but just as important, if not more important than having survival gear is knowledge. Shows like Survivor Man, channels like Canadian Prepper, Full Spectrum Survival, Brent0331 and many others are good.

There are other good prepper websites like Survival Pulse and Preppers Daily News to that give good updates and info.

However we can't always expect internet, electricity or sites like Youtube to house info. Make sure you have books or start a binder with knowledge/info.

SAS Survival Guide is a good one to start with. I also have The Self Sufficient Life and How to Live It by John Seymour. A book or two on basic crude medicine is good to. I live in the city, so one of the big downfalls is not being able to practice gardening like I'd want, plus having a lack of tools. I suppose though if things got really bad, I'd manage to come by them fairly easily nonetheless.

Stay well everyone.
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Books and shows won't help you much.
Go live a week in the forest, and pay great attention to how much you lack in terms of pretty much anything.
Then go back home, and make more realistic plans - no more hollywood fantasy crap.
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The only forest-based bug-out plan I credit is one where you have already stashed literally months worth of food and medicine in the location you plan to escape to.

Laner is correct about the 22lr ammo. 12 gauge is also good. Even the most basic rimfire rifles and break action shotuns are cheap and reliable these days. It baffles me why any man in times like these wouldn't own at least one gun. In the CONUS region you can get a break action single barrel for <$100, a pump for <$200 and a semi for <$300. For $30 more you've got 100 rounds of basic trap ammunition. Toss in another ten bucks for some serious buckshot and you've elevated yourself from victim to survivor for all conflicts against men armed only with the primitive weapons junkies and man-cattle are likely to be wielding.

Dudes pay considerably more for the rims on their car. I'll never understand it.

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Bugging out to a location where you dont have 4 walls and a roof over your head is madness and a pipe dream. Very few scenarios would call for such measures.
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