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I moved from the mountain and am back in my mom's house. The white people are all gone... I lovingly embrace my African and Hispanic brothers and sisters once again. Laugh

I'm not going to make any moves until things stabilize from coronavirus, so I may be here for the rest of the year. I also think my plan of living alone in the mountains was flawed, and will share more about that later.

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03-25-2020 05:07 PM
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RE: Looks like I have to move off the mountain (landlord trouble)
(03-23-2020 08:19 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  Stay strong Roosh! Lots of hustle for you in the next days.

I am 40 and back living with my Mother in Times of Corona and I like it so far.

Hey NoMoreTO, how long are you planning on staying with her?

I've just recently spent around 7 grand turning my moms garage(around 800sqft) into an apartment and other than lacking a kitchen(Which is 30 feet away in my mothers house) its pretty damn nice for $0 in rent. I was paying close to $1500 a month for rent and utilities at my old place for a tiny shoebox so not a bad return on investment.

Anyways my mom has short term memory loss from a stroke a few years ago and this gives me the ability to keep an eye on her and cook her dinner sometimes and just make sure she is doing okay in general as she ages (she is 65). Her condition leaves her very scared and anxious of the world but she has been doing better the last few months since she has been living completely alone, however the corona tosses a real wrench into her limited routine and I feel incredible that I am able to help her out now. I've only been fully moved in since Saturday but I've already grilled her dinner every night and know she is eating good instead of frozen meals for dinner.

Never in a million years was it my desire to move back in with my mother at close to 31, especially after having owned my own house at one point(Sold it after me and my ex of 7 years ended things, a couple years after) but it was one of those things where I sat and thought to myself and God what can I do to become a better man? I've had a very rocky relationship with my mother due to her alcoholism and opioid addiction (which ultimately led to the stroke, which she is clean of now), but the path forward was to forgive, that much I know now.

Once I realized the redpill hedonistic pursuits I so eagerly sought after the last five years just left me feeling ultimately more empty than before and have black pilled me into oblivion, I knew this is the change that I need. I've often thought that if I can't take care of and repair the relationship with my mother how can I ever trust myself to have a real loving caring relationship with a woman and children in the future? I think now for the foreseeable future, my path is better spent here learning patience and gratitude than chasing lays and the next exciting thing. I can't say I have a plan when I'll be ready to leave, I think that God will ultimately point that out when the time is right, but I hope to be ready for the next adventure in life at that point when the time comes, instead of being frustrated and negatively black pilled sitting in a fancy downtown apartment.

Good luck to you my friend and to you as well Roosh. Our parents were generally there for us in the beginning and in times like this they need us to be there for them.
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RE: Looks like I have to move off the mountain (landlord trouble)
I have been considering this.

In my opinion the best building material for a "good enough" house that is cheap, fast and easy to put up is the sandwich foam type board that they make refrigerated truck bodies and cold store rooms out of. Can get it in a range of thicknesses and material types.

-Cheap
-Very well insulated
-Easy to assemble as it has associated brackets and accessories
-Reduces 5G radiation because if the two aluminium sheets
-Resistant to water
-Light weight so it can go on a trailer / truck (my preferred option to bypass consent laws).
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Source - (Reddit) "PLEASE HELP. My tenants organized and are saying they won't pay rent this month. ALL OF THEM. What can I do?"

On a personal note, I am currently at my elderly mother's house while I work from home remotely. She is 86 and was in the hospital briefly last week via ambulance for chest pains (unrelated to COVID-19). She's starting to become more and more forgetful as she ages - i.e., she has a hard time trying to remember how to spell a word when writing on a piece of paper.

I've been looking after her since last Saturday and will continue to keep an eye on her for the rest of this week before I head back to my own place in another city on Sunday. (It's about a 2.5 hours drive). All of my siblings practically live 5 minutes away from my mother's house.

I am 53 as a lot of my family's relatives (uncles, aunts, etc.) passed away over the last few years so I try to spend as much time with my mother as possible because she knows she's ready to go to Heaven soon to see my father.
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^ Thats insane and a bad position for both tenant and landlord to be in. While evictions are pretty much frozen everywhere in the states(as far as i know? I could be wrong but I think they are frozen in my state since the court is not operating), at some point they will be unfrozen and every single one of them can be evicted for all the rent they owe and fuck themselves even more. Instead of demanding to their landlord they will not pay nor pay back rent, they should have just talked to him first.

We are happy to defer rent to any tenant that asks although we have yet to have a tenant ask about aprils rent. We have a regular list of late people that I am sure will be worse than ever come April, but other than that we have only lost bigger oil field tenants with a couple asking for a reduction in rent for x amount of months which we have obligated.

I'm also surprised Roosh's landlord wouldn't do a repair that equaled to only 2k to keep their tenant. We are landlords because it isn't rocket science. Its extremely easy to keep people happy and a gesture like that goes a long way, on top of the fact that when he moves out it will be much easier to re-rent it with the smell properly fixed. But its 2020 and we live in a clown world, so what do you expect?
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(03-25-2020 05:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I moved from the mountain and am back in my mom's house. The white people are all gone... I lovingly embrace my African and Hispanic brothers and sisters once again. Laugh

I'm not going to make any moves until things stabilize from coronavirus, so I may be here for the rest of the year. I also think my plan of living alone in the mountains was flawed, and will share more about that later.

You mean, all White people have left the city to go to their secondary residencies in the countryside, out of fear of the coronavirus? It's another unfair aspect of all this crisis, the rich and the hipsters have gone to comfortable remote places with gardens and jacuzzis, while city dwellers are left to suffer, with prohibition to move.

Well, if I may, now that you are mentioning it, I did think that your plan was flawed in as much as you went alone in the mountains. I would have advised to first get a traditional wife (maybe from abroad, or from a city, as unfortunately young women are mostly to be found in cities), and only then, move with her to the mountains to start a healthy God-fearing family. But, maybe you had other, religious, motives, and those are harder to analyse and always, by nature, respectable.
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Those looking for cheap homes, look no further than a single wide trailer. Find one used lovingly by a snow bird or retiree and haul it to where you want to live. Winterize it and build a deck with cover, maybe a car port.

I worked on a pilot project about 15 years ago when my silly city thought it would be a great idea to convert shipping containers into homes for the poor. The first one we did was bare bones and cost only $20k. The city inspectors did their magic with all the safety and in the end to get it up to code it was another $100k. Insane. To factor in the labour its pushing $350 a sqft without land.

To live on some land, my first step - after the land - would be a trailer and a seacan for a tool and supply lock up. Then I would build a shed roof workshop with some living space. Build from there. On any piece of land the workshop is the most used building on the property besides the kitchen.

For a house, anything more than a large kitchen, living room with fire, and a small bedroom and bath is pretty much wasted space. For more accommodation, just build small bunkhouses/ outbuildings.
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Trailers, in the US at least, also have the benefit of significantly lowering your property taxes, because the trailer doesn't count as a "house" or other structure because it's mobile. It doesn't matter that, in practice, it is not mobile, for the purposes of property taxes the trailer doesn't count as part of the property any more than your car would.
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(03-25-2020 05:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I moved from the mountain and am back in my mom's house. The white people are all gone... I lovingly embrace my African and Hispanic brothers and sisters once again. Laugh

I'm not going to make any moves until things stabilize from coronavirus, so I may be here for the rest of the year. I also think my plan of living alone in the mountains was flawed, and will share more about that later.

Are you planning to continue Roosh Hour from your mom's house?
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(03-25-2020 09:09 PM)Krivo Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 05:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I moved from the mountain and am back in my mom's house. The white people are all gone... I lovingly embrace my African and Hispanic brothers and sisters once again. Laugh

I'm not going to make any moves until things stabilize from coronavirus, so I may be here for the rest of the year. I also think my plan of living alone in the mountains was flawed, and will share more about that later.

Are you planning to continue Roosh Hour from your mom's house?

Yes I will try.

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(03-25-2020 06:39 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  [Image: ET-2NLIXsAcYfAE?format=jpg&name=small]

Source - (Reddit) "PLEASE HELP. My tenants organized and are saying they won't pay rent this month. ALL OF THEM. What can I do?"

On a personal note, I am currently at my elderly mother's house while I work from home remotely. She is 86 and was in the hospital briefly last week via ambulance for chest pains (unrelated to COVID-19). She's starting to become more and more forgetful as she ages - i.e., she has a hard time trying to remember how to spell a word when writing on a piece of paper.

I've been looking after her since last Saturday and will continue to keep an eye on her for the rest of this week before I head back to my own place in another city on Sunday. (It's about a 2.5 hours drive). All of my siblings practically live 5 minutes away from my mother's house.

I am 53 as a lot of my family's relatives (uncles, aunts, etc.) passed away over the last few years so I try to spend as much time with my mother as possible because she knows she's ready to go to Heaven soon to see my father.

Well most leases require the first and last months rent. Or first month's and a security deposit. The landlord should just keep the security deposit.

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(03-25-2020 06:39 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  [Image: ET-2NLIXsAcYfAE?format=jpg&name=small]

Source - (Reddit) "PLEASE HELP. My tenants organized and are saying they won't pay rent this month. ALL OF THEM. What can I do?"

On a personal note, I am currently at my elderly mother's house while I work from home remotely. She is 86 and was in the hospital briefly last week via ambulance for chest pains (unrelated to COVID-19). She's starting to become more and more forgetful as she ages - i.e., she has a hard time trying to remember how to spell a word when writing on a piece of paper.

I've been looking after her since last Saturday and will continue to keep an eye on her for the rest of this week before I head back to my own place in another city on Sunday. (It's about a 2.5 hours drive). All of my siblings practically live 5 minutes away from my mother's house.

I am 53 as a lot of my family's relatives (uncles, aunts, etc.) passed away over the last few years so I try to spend as much time with my mother as possible because she knows she's ready to go to Heaven soon to see my father.

I work with a multifamily syndicator, and if this person had enough liquidity they could simply start evicting everyone (but not all at once).

1. Texas is a landlord friendly state, so not hard to get rid of them.
2. You can immediately evict the problem/asshole tenants.
3. Most of the other tenants will smarten up once they see 1/3 go.

But again, this person needs operating capital and balls.

My client is liquid to the point where they could operate for almost a year at 0% vacancy.

Nonetheless, whatever happens, this landlord should make a list of all the tenants and once life returns to normal he should slowly get rid of them one by one. This is nothing short of an act of business warfare and no trust should be repaired going forward. They have all identified themselves as enemies.
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(03-25-2020 07:38 PM)Laner Wrote:  Those looking for cheap homes, look no further than a single wide trailer. Find one used lovingly by a snow bird or retiree and haul it to where you want to live. Winterize it and build a deck with cover, maybe a car port.

I worked on a pilot project about 15 years ago when my silly city thought it would be a great idea to convert shipping containers into homes for the poor. The first one we did was bare bones and cost only $20k. The city inspectors did their magic with all the safety and in the end to get it up to code it was another $100k. Insane. To factor in the labour its pushing $350 a sqft without land.

To live on some land, my first step - after the land - would be a trailer and a seacan for a tool and supply lock up. Then I would build a shed roof workshop with some living space. Build from there. On any piece of land the workshop is the most used building on the property besides the kitchen.

For a house, anything more than a large kitchen, living room with fire, and a small bedroom and bath is pretty much wasted space. For more accommodation, just build small bunkhouses/ outbuildings.

Awesome post.

At what point would you do septic and a well?
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(03-25-2020 05:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I also think my plan of living alone in the mountains was flawed, and will share more about that later.

Sounds like it was a good retreat. But there's no escaping the missionary work you've been called to, whether it's in West Virginia or Europe or traveling the world.
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(03-25-2020 07:38 PM)Laner Wrote:  Those looking for cheap homes, look no further than a single wide trailer. Find one used lovingly by a snow bird or retiree and haul it to where you want to live. Winterize it and build a deck with cover, maybe a car port.

I worked on a pilot project about 15 years ago when my silly city thought it would be a great idea to convert shipping containers into homes for the poor. The first one we did was bare bones and cost only $20k. The city inspectors did their magic with all the safety and in the end to get it up to code it was another $100k. Insane. To factor in the labour its pushing $350 a sqft without land.

To live on some land, my first step - after the land - would be a trailer and a seacan for a tool and supply lock up. Then I would build a shed roof workshop with some living space. Build from there. On any piece of land the workshop is the most used building on the property besides the kitchen.

For a house, anything more than a large kitchen, living room with fire, and a small bedroom and bath is pretty much wasted space. For more accommodation, just build small bunkhouses/ outbuildings.

Awesome post.

At what point would you do septic and a well?

Septic is cheap and easy, but I would probably just have a compost toilet to begin with as I build. The family would push for septic pretty quick though.

Use the grey water for landscape plants.

I would make sure the property already has water. A well is ideal, but a stream is fine too.

Power to the lot line is critical too. Its fine to run a generator for a while, but fuel prices can add up. A power hook up can be pretty straight forward but will probably be about $10k here in Canada. Big tanks of propane are great too. Many things in trailers run off it, so there is less stress right away to get full grid hook ups.
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In NC you have to get a perk test done before you can install a septic system. Its basically a test to see if the ground will absorb an acceptable amount of liquid. If the land is solid clay, or something, it will not "perk" and you are completely screwed. Normally theyll test a few spots and tell you where on the property you can put it and how many bedrooms the house can be. Because this is vital to your using the land as intended, you have to get the perk test done before you buy the property. Once the perk test is passed, I think you get a permit that is good for one year.

Theres a lot to know before you jump into buying land.
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Courts in a lot of states are closed now or only taking emergency cases.
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I was thinking of starting a "Building your own home/cabin" thread, but since none of us on the forum appear to currently be involved in such a project, I thought it might be better to hold off for now. Some of the comments in this thread reminded me of the story of Richard Proenneke:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke

A handyman/mechanic in Alaska who retired in his early 50s and built a cabin in a wilderness area that later became a national park. He lived in the cabin alone for 30 years before he couldn't care for himself any longer and lived the last few years of his life with his brother in California from 1998-2003. Apparently, his cabin is so well constructed that it is still in pristine condition and serves as a tourist attraction in Lake Clark National Park.

   
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I'm thinking of doing something similar when I retire from my office job in about 10 years. I may buy a condo in an urban area and a small piece of land in the boondocks somewhere. Then, my hobby will be to construct, from scratch, a cabin or small house and spend some time out there. I've known people before who did this, and they found it to be an extremely rewarding and pleasant hobby.
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(Yesterday 01:30 PM)C-Note Wrote:  I was thinking of starting a "Building your own home/cabin" thread, but since none of us on the forum appear to currently be involved in such a project, I thought it might be better to hold off for now. Some of the comments in this thread reminded me of the story of Richard Proenneke:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke

A handyman/mechanic in Alaska who retired in his early 50s and built a cabin in a wilderness area that later became a national park. He lived in the cabin alone for 30 years before he couldn't care for himself any longer and lived the last few years of his life with his brother in California from 1998-2003. Apparently, his cabin is so well constructed that it is still in pristine condition and serves as a tourist attraction in Lake Clark National Park.

I'm thinking of doing something similar when I retire from my office job in about 10 years. I may buy a condo in an urban area and a small piece of land in the boondocks somewhere. Then, my hobby will be to construct, from scratch, a cabin or small house and spend some time out there. I've known people before who did this, and they found it to be an extremely rewarding and pleasant hobby.

Dick's videos are some of the best therapy online. Watch them and feel the heaviness of the world fade away.

I left my downtown condo two weeks ago to come to my farm. As I mentioned in other threads, its been one of the happiest times in recent memory.

The farm is leased, but it has me considering taking out some equity and having a go at some land. As my son gets older, all he wants to do is shadow me. My wife is home schooling him and he's hammering out his kindergarten in no time that leaves him with hours a day. Hes helped me weld, and save heavy equipment, he makes sure he is present for every welding job on hand.

So you are right about the hobby. Having a place to go where each day is a set of tasks and challenges. My business partner, son and I had our heads in a forklift for half a day trying to fix a snapped cable. Drilling, machining, welding, some die grinding - we eventually fixed it. Those little wins are what makes life worth living. Self sufficiency in times of plague is perhaps the line that could separate us all in the end.
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In Kansas/OK you can get 4 acres outside of some of the smaller towns for as little as 30k.

If I can find employment out that way I’m tempted
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(03-26-2020 02:12 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:38 PM)Laner Wrote:  Those looking for cheap homes, look no further than a single wide trailer. Find one used lovingly by a snow bird or retiree and haul it to where you want to live. Winterize it and build a deck with cover, maybe a car port.

I worked on a pilot project about 15 years ago when my silly city thought it would be a great idea to convert shipping containers into homes for the poor. The first one we did was bare bones and cost only $20k. The city inspectors did their magic with all the safety and in the end to get it up to code it was another $100k. Insane. To factor in the labour its pushing $350 a sqft without land.

To live on some land, my first step - after the land - would be a trailer and a seacan for a tool and supply lock up. Then I would build a shed roof workshop with some living space. Build from there. On any piece of land the workshop is the most used building on the property besides the kitchen.

For a house, anything more than a large kitchen, living room with fire, and a small bedroom and bath is pretty much wasted space. For more accommodation, just build small bunkhouses/ outbuildings.

Awesome post.

At what point would you do septic and a well?

Septic is cheap and easy, but I would probably just have a compost toilet to begin with as I build. The family would push for septic pretty quick though.

Use the grey water for landscape plants.

I would make sure the property already has water. A well is ideal, but a stream is fine too.

Power to the lot line is critical too. Its fine to run a generator for a while, but fuel prices can add up. A power hook up can be pretty straight forward but will probably be about $10k here in Canada. Big tanks of propane are great too. Many things in trailers run off it, so there is less stress right away to get full grid hook ups.

If you have the capability to do the above then you may as well go all the way and disconnect from the grid entirely

Solar (and battery / storage) technologies have come a long way in recent years.

There's tons of info available

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(Yesterday 07:45 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 11:01 AM)Laner Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 02:12 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:38 PM)Laner Wrote:  Those looking for cheap homes, look no further than a single wide trailer. Find one used lovingly by a snow bird or retiree and haul it to where you want to live. Winterize it and build a deck with cover, maybe a car port.

I worked on a pilot project about 15 years ago when my silly city thought it would be a great idea to convert shipping containers into homes for the poor. The first one we did was bare bones and cost only $20k. The city inspectors did their magic with all the safety and in the end to get it up to code it was another $100k. Insane. To factor in the labour its pushing $350 a sqft without land.

To live on some land, my first step - after the land - would be a trailer and a seacan for a tool and supply lock up. Then I would build a shed roof workshop with some living space. Build from there. On any piece of land the workshop is the most used building on the property besides the kitchen.

For a house, anything more than a large kitchen, living room with fire, and a small bedroom and bath is pretty much wasted space. For more accommodation, just build small bunkhouses/ outbuildings.

Awesome post.

At what point would you do septic and a well?

Septic is cheap and easy, but I would probably just have a compost toilet to begin with as I build. The family would push for septic pretty quick though.

Use the grey water for landscape plants.

I would make sure the property already has water. A well is ideal, but a stream is fine too.

Power to the lot line is critical too. Its fine to run a generator for a while, but fuel prices can add up. A power hook up can be pretty straight forward but will probably be about $10k here in Canada. Big tanks of propane are great too. Many things in trailers run off it, so there is less stress right away to get full grid hook ups.

If you have the capability to do the above then you may as well go all the way and disconnect from the grid entirely

Solar (and battery / storage) technologies have come a long way in recent years.

There's tons of info available

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I would be partially reliant on alternative energy, but I would never go off grid entirely - at this point anyways.

A lot of the machine tools I use daily need real power. So for doing all the building and also making money, being hooked up to the grid is necessary.

I have been playing with solar for the past 2 years. It sucks in Canada. I would be more into building a small run of the river micro hydro set up if I had a place with elevation drop.
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^I think there's a case to be made that if you want to seriously disconnect yourself from modern society then you are better off not connecting to grid power/internet at all.

Having dealt with lengthy blackouts in the past it's a real eye-opener to how mains electricity is a teat that we tend to suckle on constantly without ever realizing it. If I built a shelter I probably wouldn't bother with mains electricity simply because I would be too tempted to use it rather than do something more wholesome like read a book or just enjoy nature. I also think that the network of live wiring creates an electrical field that negatively affects us in a lot of ways. You can feel this in your bones when a blackout happens.

There's a super-high pitched electrostatic whine that electrical devices create and you really don't know what actual silence is until you're sitting in the dark during a blackout, the power comes back on and suddenly you hear that "noise" all around you. Even trips into the bush don't really reveal that noise (or its absence) because you're removed from it gradually and when you stop your car it simply feels like it's the car noise that's gone instead.

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(03-26-2020 11:01 AM)Laner Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 02:12 AM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 07:38 PM)Laner Wrote:  Those looking for cheap homes, look no further than a single wide trailer. Find one used lovingly by a snow bird or retiree and haul it to where you want to live. Winterize it and build a deck with cover, maybe a car port.

I worked on a pilot project about 15 years ago when my silly city thought it would be a great idea to convert shipping containers into homes for the poor. The first one we did was bare bones and cost only $20k. The city inspectors did their magic with all the safety and in the end to get it up to code it was another $100k. Insane. To factor in the labour its pushing $350 a sqft without land.

To live on some land, my first step - after the land - would be a trailer and a seacan for a tool and supply lock up. Then I would build a shed roof workshop with some living space. Build from there. On any piece of land the workshop is the most used building on the property besides the kitchen.

For a house, anything more than a large kitchen, living room with fire, and a small bedroom and bath is pretty much wasted space. For more accommodation, just build small bunkhouses/ outbuildings.

Awesome post.

At what point would you do septic and a well?

Septic is cheap and easy, but I would probably just have a compost toilet to begin with as I build. The family would push for septic pretty quick though.

Use the grey water for landscape plants.

I would make sure the property already has water. A well is ideal, but a stream is fine too.

Power to the lot line is critical too. Its fine to run a generator for a while, but fuel prices can add up. A power hook up can be pretty straight forward but will probably be about $10k here in Canada. Big tanks of propane are great too. Many things in trailers run off it, so there is less stress right away to get full grid hook ups.

Outside of unorganized townships, this is very difficult to pull off with the current zoning laws - in Ontario anyway. Where are you proposing to do this in Canada? I'd seriously consider getting a place in an unorganized township - very little taxes, no zoning bylaws - do whatever the fuck you want. Not sure how lax things are in other provinces, just what I know from where I live and another area in another municipality where I spend alot of time.

EDIT: Posting this from my trailer in the middle of nowhere (light power woodstove internet) although I don't think it's immune to some a-hole poking around. There is a new build cottage down the road and I expect inspectors to be coming by in the spring as they advance construction.
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