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(03-18-2020 12:31 PM)esotericgoon Wrote:  Clean sweep i say. These older members post the same things day in, day out.
Really? This is a strange thing for a noob to say.
03-18-2020 12:59 PM
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When is this software change happening?
03-18-2020 01:01 PM
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(03-18-2020 12:59 PM)rotekz Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 12:31 PM)esotericgoon Wrote:  Clean sweep i say. These older members post the same things day in, day out.
Really? This is a strange thing for a noob to say.

Denying there's a pattern of Trump-posts and anti-jew, and conspiracy type stuff?
03-18-2020 01:08 PM
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Keeping family heirlooms is nice. Holding on to every macaroni artwork your kid made is dumb.

The forum benefits us primarily through conversation; the archives can be left for future historians.

Start fresh.

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03-18-2020 01:16 PM
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(03-18-2020 01:16 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Keeping family heirlooms is nice. Holding on to every macaroni artwork your kid made is dumb.

The forum benefits us primarily through conversation; the archives can be left for future historians.

Start fresh.

Why don`t why burn the constitution and the bill of right`s also, and start fresh with a new progressivist agenda. Ok, I`m joking a little bit there, but I rarely see any drastic changes that are in fact beneficial for most folks. Whenever something changes it`s usually always for the worse. The past erases itself in a sense, no need to give it a hand. Besides, it`s not always easy to see what is of value and what is not, until it`s gone at least.

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(03-18-2020 02:00 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 01:16 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Keeping family heirlooms is nice. Holding on to every macaroni artwork your kid made is dumb.

The forum benefits us primarily through conversation; the archives can be left for future historians.

Start fresh.

Why don`t why burn the constitution and the bill of right`s also, and start fresh with a new progressivist agenda. Ok, I`m joking a little bit there, but I rarely see any drastic changes that are in fact beneficial for most folks. Whenever something changes it`s usually always for the worse. The past erases itself in a sense, no need to give it a hand. Besides, it`s not always easy to see what is of value and what is not, until it`s gone at least.

The constitution and bill of rights haven't applied since the 1870s. You might as well.

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03-18-2020 02:03 PM
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(03-18-2020 02:03 PM)Aurini Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 02:00 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  
(03-18-2020 01:16 PM)Aurini Wrote:  Keeping family heirlooms is nice. Holding on to every macaroni artwork your kid made is dumb.

The forum benefits us primarily through conversation; the archives can be left for future historians.

Start fresh.

Why don`t why burn the constitution and the bill of right`s also, and start fresh with a new progressivist agenda. Ok, I`m joking a little bit there, but I rarely see any drastic changes that are in fact beneficial for most folks. Whenever something changes it`s usually always for the worse. The past erases itself in a sense, no need to give it a hand. Besides, it`s not always easy to see what is of value and what is not, until it`s gone at least.

The constitution and bill of rights haven't applied since the 1870s. You might as well.

But it you burn them, then the very ideas that are inherent in them might also perish, and with it all hope of ever having a truly free society/nation etc.

We will stomp to the top with the wind in our teeth.

George L. Mallory
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Please migrate the users and existing posts, Roosh. There has been way too much useful knowledge, input/opinions from past and current members, as well as unbiased historical perspective over the years to be placed in a box and most likely left to gather dust and be forgotten.
03-18-2020 02:16 PM
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RE: Notice of upcoming forum software changes
Is it possible that maybe the MYBB problem could be solved by something on the server side or MYSQL configuation (assuming MYSQL is what is being used for the database?

My guess and wonder what the current MYBB is running on, in order of what I would be wondering about:

1: Server Memory. no matter how it is configured, is there enough to hold the tables and indexes in memory?
Of course, with several gigabytes of posts it may not be possible no matter how much memory is added to the server. It may also cost a small fortune to add enough memory if the board is being run (hosted) on a Virtual Private Server (VPS) or dedicated server through a provider.

2: Server CPU. While I consider it unlikely the problem is a CPU one, maybe adding another one or two cores would improve things?

3: Server hard drive drive. Is the MYBB on a SSD drive or regular hard drive. I would not expect this to really improve things much and some host providers already moved or are moving everything to SSD drive. At GoDaddy they had GEN3 VPS that was on non SSD drives with CENTOS 6 and within the last year recommended everyone move to CENTOS 7 on a SSD as GEN4 VPS. At some point, the non SSD VPS systems will be discontinued.

Are there any SQL server reports showing how much is being utilized?

I also saw some people claiming that when they went from MYBB to the newer BB software that the database grew by a factor of like 2.5; it was a few years ago, but if the 'real' problem is simply database size then migrating may not fix the problem.

Of course, if the real problem is that MYBB simply was never envisioned to run a BB with several gigabytes of data and there is no plan to get it to the point where it can but other packages can handle several gigabytes ok, then it may be time to migrate to something else.
03-18-2020 02:53 PM
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(03-18-2020 12:52 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  Has anyone seen a decent looking xenforo template? I haven’t found one that’s better than the current RVF one yet.

Not that I know of. You can see a list of "free" XenForo templates here:
https://xenforo.com/community/resources/...?type=free

Personally, I like the Shades of Grey template.
https://xenforo.com/community/resources/...grey.5812/

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(03-18-2020 09:40 AM)Roosh Wrote:  For the past twelve years, this forum has been running MYBB software. Unfortunately, the development of it has stalled and so the process to upgrade the software has been exceedingly difficult, especially since the forum has 1.3 million posts (it had 2 million before I deleted the game and travel subforums). Myself and two other IT professionals have been trying to crack it but the software is too flawed. I'm sure you notice a lot of lag when trying to make posts in some threads---that's because the size of the posts table is so huge.
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Not sure if you guys tried this recommended solution via a myBB forum discussion regarding 1+ million posts?.
Quote:First is the mybb_posts table using MyISAM storage engine? If it is, you really should switch to InnoDB because it allows row level locking rather than table locking which would occur anytime a write query is being executed on the table. Write queries are generated when someone makes a post, edits a post, a moderator performs any kind of moderator action on the post. Small forums this isn't generally a problem, but in larger forums you are getting frequent posts.

I'd also like to ask, what plugins are currently active?

You could also look into my Fast Search plugin which significantly reduced server load on a forum that had over 1 million posts that I had to help take care of for multiple years. With a lower server load, pages are more likely to be served than getting internal errors.
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(03-18-2020 12:52 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  Has anyone seen a decent looking xenforo template? I haven’t found one that’s better than the current RVF one yet.

https://www.thefastlaneforum.com/community/
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Some years ago, my account was mysteriously wiped off the face of the RVF planet during an update. To my knowledge, I was the only member affected.

Roosh worked tirelessly to bring my account back to life. In the end, my username and post count were revived but my "Likes" - a source of personal pride - were sacrificed. Also lost was my original Joined date and the handful of Reps I had acquired in those early forum days.

Now, as I am one of the only if not the singular member to have been deleted from the annals of RVF history and successfully revived, I have developed immunity to such setbacks.

I can say that, while painful, a full reboot and revamp of the forum may be the best path ahead.

Archiving of what currently exists is paramount so that we will be reminded of our progress and better prepared not to repeat the same mistakes twice.

Bring on a new look, more stable platform, and a new opportunity to build it again and build it better.

It's like tearing down your Legos. The regret quickly fades as fresh progress is made.
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I'd pick an option 3: doesn't matter.
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On Facebook, I've gotten used to being able to do a regular like, or do the Wow, or Sad, or laughing reactions. If the new forum software can do that, I'd like it. I suppose it would be more complicated for user statistics. Right now you can see how many likes you've given, and how many you've received. It would be messy to break down all the separate reaction types. You could probably just lump all the reaction types together and tally them.

You could also do a prayer hands reaction, and maybe there would be some others that are unique to RVF. Maybe a WM (Would Marry) reaction!

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As a new user, I find value in seeing the joined on date and rep points of other members.

As a long time reader, I know the value of the advice and information found on this site.

If it was simply a matter of features or a new look the decision would be simple.
03-18-2020 08:18 PM
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I would try the suggestions in these 2 posts:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74789...pid2069746

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74789...pid2069771

I would do all 4: 3 from the first post and 1 from the second. They're all solid suggestions. Doing these would take a lot less time and effort than doing a full migration to a new platform.

Fyi - Xenforo is built using the same platform/technologies as MyBB: PHP and MySQL. Which means you can run into the same issues due to the DB/table size. The Xenforo code might be tighter which can provide better/faster performance, but you won't know for sure unless you do a test migration.

Quote:Myself and two other IT professionals have been trying to crack it but the software is too flawed.

Are these 'two other IT professionals' experts or highly experienced in PHP and MySQL? If MYBB development has stalled, how about hiring expert devs who can fix the problem and then contribute their fixes to the main source code on Github (https://github.com/mybb)? It would be a way to give back to the open source community that gave you MyBB for free.

That said, if you're really set on doing a whole new look and feel - like a 'cleansing' of the body - I recommend setting up a test server and doing load testing to see if it has the same performance issues due to DB/table size, before doing the switch.
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Good idea to upgrade your platform.

Question, is the new Xenforo app mobile friendly?
03-19-2020 06:39 AM
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If a fresh install will allow the forum to run much more smoothly, and with more modern features, then that’s probably the way to go.

My perception is that the more rep-point-focused forum members have already moved on to other pastures.

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03-19-2020 10:25 AM
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(03-19-2020 06:39 AM)monsquid Wrote:  Good idea to upgrade your platform.

Question, is the new Xenforo app mobile friendly?

Yes, moreso than Mybb.

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Option 1.

Keep the color scheme if migrating.

If the new faster server works good enough, just stick to this and cap the megathreads.
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So I've been playing around with Xenforo and it is way more powerful than Mybb 1.8 (the version I would upgrade to). It's a dream to use on mobile. I'm 90% sure we will be moving to Xenforo.

One compromise I'm considering: deletion of threads that haven't been active in several years, while also maintaining an archive of the old forum.

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(03-20-2020 05:19 PM)Roosh Wrote:  So I've been playing around with Xenforo and it is way more powerful than Mybb 1.8 (the version I would upgrade to). It's a dream to use on mobile. I'm 90% sure we will be moving to Xenforo.

One compromise I'm considering: deletion of threads that haven't been active in several years, while also maintaining an archive of the old forum.

yeah the options on the mobile version of MyBB is kinda lacking, i can't quote/reply directly to anyone on it. If the quote options are available then shoot for it. You can only "reply" to threads indirect of what people are posting.

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My 2c is that we should stay here. I don't know about you guys, but I don't see any performance issues.

Yeah the forum isn't perfect, but it's nostalgic. It'll always remind me of early days of the internet before it got hijacked by globohomo.

The bare bones HTML makes reading for hours easy. I fear that a new, modern UI wouldn't attract users as well if it's hard on the eyes.

At least in my point of view, there isn't much downside to staying here. But, there's a ton of implementation changes we could be totally overlooking by switching to another software.

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It doesn't really make the difference what forum core you implement, user experience depends 90% on the layout and that can be tailor made with CSS, preferably something simple and clear to read.

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