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(03-20-2020 10:20 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
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(03-20-2020 09:46 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 09:38 AM)esotericgoon Wrote:  I don't know why more people aren't pushing back about this.

Because in the end the Chinese govt. isn't the root cause.

Yea, the Chinese govt. is evil and yes they seem determined on slowly taking over the globe.

But this wouldn't be a concern and they would just be the cute little brother that wants to play with the big boys but can't keep up, if we had our own nations and our own way of life. China was never a huge concern until the west was decimated.

So who decimated the west? That is the culprit.

A bunch of normie idiots, globalists, and business-owners who voted/lobbied (over many years) for neo-liberalism, foreign wars, and off-shoring.

Many of whom you could call, "liberals", "moderates", "conservatives", "republicans", and "democrats". Plenty of blame to go around.

What if the only two choices were open borders globalism, which is true? Because both parties are owned by the same people. What if someone predicted this is the final outcome of "democracy" that the people who are really in charge hide behind the curtain and give you the illusion of choice. Your choice being "open borders, illegal immigration, higher taxes" or "open borders, endless war, and the same taxes". Now both parties offer pretty much the exact same thing.

Stop voting for globalists, stop voting for republicans and democrats, stop buying from China, stop thinking you have only two narrowly-defined choices.

There is a third position. The minute this incrementalist idea of change goes away, will be the moment we have radical change.

For any american: stop voting for politicians based on labels created by the establishment.
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(03-20-2020 10:23 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 09:47 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  This is where we drift off: there's nothing natural (including population growth) about the way of life of the 1970s. If you have modern medicine and modern technology, you don't have natural population growth. In the 1970s, people already depended on large systems to survive. If those systems fail, it's famine. If those systems decide you are not worthy, it's famine.

If you depend on supermarkets to eat, you are not truly free - it doesn't matter if the produce comes from your own country or another country. If it needs to be shipped, then it depends on a large system, on which you have no control.

And yes, you produced everything you needed, but that production would be impossible without materials from all over the world, without international coordination, and without giant corporations to handle it.

Trading for materials you need is a BIG difference from flooding your country and nearly doubling the population in a few decades, many of which have no connection to your nation or your way of life.

There is, of course. But one is just as artificial as the other. And the world that requires trading materials across vast expanses to produce modern amenities is precisely the environment in which you create the comfort necessary for people to not know what nation, community and family are, much less what they are for.

You will notice that the Amish, or even the people from Homestead Heritage, are not overrun by Somalis. Only a certain kind of people in a certain kind of environment end up with foreigners which are nothing like them.

And again, this 'way of life' you speak of, would be completely foreign and abhorrent to your ancestors from 150 years ago and going back to the beginning of time.

Pandemics are part and parcel of living in an industrial system.
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(03-20-2020 10:38 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 10:23 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 09:47 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  This is where we drift off: there's nothing natural (including population growth) about the way of life of the 1970s. If you have modern medicine and modern technology, you don't have natural population growth. In the 1970s, people already depended on large systems to survive. If those systems fail, it's famine. If those systems decide you are not worthy, it's famine.

If you depend on supermarkets to eat, you are not truly free - it doesn't matter if the produce comes from your own country or another country. If it needs to be shipped, then it depends on a large system, on which you have no control.

And yes, you produced everything you needed, but that production would be impossible without materials from all over the world, without international coordination, and without giant corporations to handle it.

Trading for materials you need is a BIG difference from flooding your country and nearly doubling the population in a few decades, many of which have no connection to your nation or your way of life.

There is, of course. But one is just as artificial as the other. And the world that requires trading materials across vast expanses to produce modern amenities is precisely the environment in which you create the comfort necessary for people to not know what nation, community and family are, much less what they are for.

You will notice that the Amish, or even the people from Homestead Heritage, are not overrun by Somalis. Only a certain kind of people in a certain kind of environment end up with foreigners which are nothing like them.

And again, this 'way of life' you speak of, would be completely foreign and abhorrent to your ancestors from 150 years ago and going back to the beginning of time.

I understand what you are saying. But I don't think having a modern world with modern devices and also having safe neighborhoods and a solid middle class are mutually exclusive.

They are mutually exclusive with our current elites, which is why they deserve the blame for all of this. They profited while we screamed for them to stop.
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Globalism is a lie. It is nothing more than labor arbitrage that makes a few filthy rich. When America wasn’t global, the quality of life was way higher. An average man could afford a house and raise 2 or 4 children. Everything was affordable. You would have to be a millionaire today to do that. This was when China was 100% isolated from the West. Yes, the US is corrupt because the globalists have bought all our politicians. That is why Democracy is now irrelevant. If people can’t see now the evil of the Chinese Communist Party and that they are our mortal enemies, then we deserve the hell that we are about to receive.

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(03-20-2020 10:46 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  [quote='ilostabet' pid='2070564' dateline='1584718696']
[quote='It_is_my_time' pid='2070559' dateline='1584717787']
[quote='ilostabet' pid='2070545' dateline='1584715679']
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I understand what you are saying. But I don't think having a modern world with modern devices and also having safe neighborhoods and a solid middle class are mutually exclusive.

They are mutually exclusive with our current elites, which is why they deserve the blame for all of this. They profited while we screamed for them to stop.

Of course not, look at Japan or South Korea.

On the other hand, look at Japan and South Korea. Utterly effed up culture. You can't cheat nature. The same way chimps masturbate in captivity, humans behave in unnatural and destructive ways when in captivity. And if your survival does not depend on you or small groups of people you know, you are in captivity. Whether it's inviting foreigners or mothers having sex with their sons for good grades (look it up), unnatural and destructive through and through.

Pandemics are part and parcel of living in an industrial system.
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(03-20-2020 10:51 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 10:46 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  [quote='ilostabet' pid='2070564' dateline='1584718696']
[quote='It_is_my_time' pid='2070559' dateline='1584717787']
[quote='ilostabet' pid='2070545' dateline='1584715679']
(snip)

I understand what you are saying. But I don't think having a modern world with modern devices and also having safe neighborhoods and a solid middle class are mutually exclusive.

They are mutually exclusive with our current elites, which is why they deserve the blame for all of this. They profited while we screamed for them to stop.

Of course not, look at Japan or South Korea.

On the other hand, look at Japan and South Korea. Utterly effed up culture. You can't cheat nature. The same way chimps masturbate in captivity, humans behave in unnatural and destructive ways when in captivity. And if your survival does not depend on you or small groups of people you know, you are in captivity. Whether it's inviting foreigners or mothers having sex with their sons for good grades (look it up), unnatural and destructive through and through.

South Korea and Japan are pretty much just colonies of the west.

I think a better example is Russia. Is Russia perfect? No. But has life there greatly improved after they threw off the shackles of the billionaire globalists and Putin chased many of them out of Russia. Certainly.

If you think the only answer is to throw away our modern life and technology, I can't say I agree with you, but I think it is a point that has potential. I've not given up on modern technology, I just think we need a class of leaders that put their citizens first and not their donor class investments.
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You're vastly downplaying the degree to which the CCP is oppressive. If you swapped the two bodies, both you and Roosh would have been tortured to death in starvation camps.

I live neither in China nor the USA. Because I happen to be in a nation which makes up part of the ZOG hegemony I get to live in peace. Your comparison would be more apt if I were choosing between being arrested and tortured by the CCP or having my legs blown off in a dronestrike by the USMIL for agitating against their local ZOG puppet.

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I think it is a toss-up whether Russia has substantially improved since Putin took power.

Yes, less deaths from alcoholism, premature deaths. The measures to stop the alcohol issue were well advised.

The birth rate is abysmal and migration from CIS states, Stans, is very bad in my opinion.

Average income, monthly, is 550usd which is very bad, but not as bad as Ukraine and moldova. Pensions horrible for that matter too.

There is the misconception that the oligarchs are in check, but I don't think that's completely true. Putin takes payments from them, and he is still dependent on their support. Just as Yeltzin was, and Putin when he started. It's just that they've reached an understanding that oligarchs are free to break the law as long as they pay up. Putin is understood to back them, as long as they pay tribute to him.

It is a wholly messed up system, and I don't see much improving in the coming years. Corruption is still really bad in FSU and now the security services/ government/ mafia/ oligarchs/ and enterprises (public and private) are melded and oftentimes wearing multiple hats at once.
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(03-20-2020 10:55 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 10:51 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 10:46 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  [quote='ilostabet' pid='2070564' dateline='1584718696']
[quote='It_is_my_time' pid='2070559' dateline='1584717787']
[quote='ilostabet' pid='2070545' dateline='1584715679']
(snip)

I understand what you are saying. But I don't think having a modern world with modern devices and also having safe neighborhoods and a solid middle class are mutually exclusive.

They are mutually exclusive with our current elites, which is why they deserve the blame for all of this. They profited while we screamed for them to stop.

Of course not, look at Japan or South Korea.

On the other hand, look at Japan and South Korea. Utterly effed up culture. You can't cheat nature. The same way chimps masturbate in captivity, humans behave in unnatural and destructive ways when in captivity. And if your survival does not depend on you or small groups of people you know, you are in captivity. Whether it's inviting foreigners or mothers having sex with their sons for good grades (look it up), unnatural and destructive through and through.

South Korea and Japan are pretty much just colonies of the west.

I think a better example is Russia. Is Russia perfect? No. But has life there greatly improved after they threw off the shackles of the billionaire globalists and Putin chased many of them out of Russia. Certainly.

If you think the only answer is to throw away our modern life and technology, I can't say I agree with you, but I think it is a point that has potential. I've not given up on modern technology, I just think we need a class of leaders that put their citizens first and not their donor class investments.

I do indeed, for better and for worse.

I actually think Russia (and the Eastern Bloc countries in general) are great examples of how prosperity (brought about by modern conditions) completely fucks up a people. Russia has one of the highest abortion rates in the world, for example. Roger Scruton recalls the almost overnight transformation of the eastern countries' culture once 'freedom' (by which he means, capitalism and modern amenities) penetrated the soviet bloc in the 90s. Something similar is shown in the movie Goodbye Lenin.

People need hardship. This is shown over and over again in the Scriptures. In the Old Testament you see God constantly punishing the Israelites because as soon as they are blessed, they start to worship false idols. From the time Moses ascended the mountain to the time he came down, they had built and were worshiping the golden calf. And of course, the most complete and unmistakable example of this lesson is Christ himself, not just in His death but His whole life. Satan tempts Christ with food (comfort), with power (technology) and with spectacle (entertainment).

And there you have it. The modern world is Satan's temptation. And we all fall for it.

Pandemics are part and parcel of living in an industrial system.
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(03-20-2020 10:58 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 10:04 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  ...
You're vastly downplaying the degree to which the CCP is oppressive. If you swapped the two bodies, both you and Roosh would have been tortured to death in starvation camps.

I live neither in China nor the USA. Because I happen to be in a nation which makes up part of the ZOG hegemony I get to live in peace. Your comparison would be more apt if I were choosing between being arrested and tortured by the CCP or having my legs blown off in a dronestrike by the USMIL for agitating against their local ZOG puppet.

You seem at least aware you are a beneficiary of the US' security umbrella. Your country is infiltrated with Chinese and your elites can't speak out about it because China is censoring/ holding your country economically hostage. Things are hitting a little closer to home than you are aware. Aus universities are already shilling for China hard. They regularly intimidate academics and public policy functionaries who are critical. I would be a bit more worried about Chinese presence and regard them as the threat to your freedoms and free speech. Something has to be done before it's too late.

They're already abducting people critical of china, to china. I would be wary.
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(03-20-2020 10:25 AM)esotericgoon Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 09:54 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Nothing confirms your point of view like a brand-spanking-new account opened during a crisis shilling for precisely the opposite of what you're suggesting.

As I've noted previously, just because China does all it's extrajudicial killings inside it's own country rather than abroad, that doesn't make the US a moral actor by comparison.

When Americans complain about the horrible CCP I want them to imagine that all the countries in which American wars, occupations and coups were carried out were actually states of the USA itself. Imagine for example that Afghanistan was a US state and all the human collateral damage of that occupation was suffered by American citizens.

If you could see the world that way then you would understand why so much of the world sees the CCP as a similar or perhaps even lesser evil than the USA. How can people brag that their government keeps them fat and happy while oppressing and murdering others abroad and then criticize a government who instead oppresses it's own citizens while spreading civilization abroad rather than death?

The CCP is offering bridges and roads and phone networks and dams and electricity and yes, censorship.

The USA for the last 40 years has been offering missing limbs, depleted uranium rounds by the million, and bloody regime change for anyone who complains.

Quote: Nothing confirms your point of view like a brand-spanking-new account opened during a crisis shilling for precisely the opposite of what you're suggesting.

Nice, we were not in the midst of the Corona virus at the beginning of March. Seeing as you take contrarian positions (and others), who’s to say it’s not a avenue for wealth redistribution. Crisis is always good for that.

Quote: As I've noted previously, just because China does all it's extrajudicial killings inside it's own country rather than abroad, that doesn't make the US a moral actor by comparison.

Quote: A man claiming to have worked as a secret Chinese operative for five years says Beijing has directed overseas assassinations, including on Australian soil.



According to Nine Newspapers, Mr Wang has provided new details about the kidnapping of five booksellers who specialised in works critical of Chinese leaders based in Hong Kong, starting in 2015, and their rendition to mainland China.

Responding to the news of Mr Wang's reported asylum claim on Twitter, former Chinese diplomat Chen Yonglin said Mr Wang would not be safe in Australia.
"He'd better move to America later. He is not safe in Australia. Since he revealed names and IDs of operatives and kidnappings, he may be executed
," he wrote.
"Extremely difficult to hide the whole family from a powerful surveillance state like China in [a] modern high-tech world.
"China collects all data of WeChat users, listens to Apple [mobile phones] and hacks PCs, besides [there are] over 1,000 operatives on the payroll," he added.
Quote:Over the years, the cases have started to pile up. In 2002, Wang Bingzhang, a prominent pro-democracy activist, was seized in Vietnam by Chinese operatives and thrown into prison on the mainland, where he remains to this day. Two years later, another well-known dissident, Peng Ming, was kidnapped in Myanmar and jailed in China; in late 2016, he died under suspicious circumstances in prison.
Now, however, Beijing’s policy of forcibly repatriating people it considers Chinese nationals — some of whom are in fact citizens of other countries — appears to be accelerating. Powerful businessmen, ex-Chinese Communist Party officials, dissidents, and activists have all been targeted as part of what Western intelligence officials say appears to be a large-scale campaign.

These abductions have become prevalent enough that officials at the U.S. State Department are growing concerned — though they have yet to raise the subject formally with Beijing. The issue “is being talked constantly about at the top,” says one current State official, who has asked not to be named because they are not authorized to speak publicly on the issue. The official notes a recent cable focusing specifically on Chinese renditions in Southeast Asia.
They don’t just do it in their country.

You again are trying to say US and China are equivalent.

That is the pot calling the kettle black as you most directly benefit from the American global order as well as the American security umbrella.
Quote: When Americans complain about the horrible CCP I want them to imagine that all the countries in which American wars, occupations and coups were carried out were actually states of the USA itself. Imagine for example that Afghanistan was a US state and all the human collateral damage of that occupation was suffered by American citizens.
If critiquing American foreign policy then Aus/ NZ is directly culpable because of their complicity in it. Australia’s presence in the War on Terror, as well as Five Eyes. Pay for Australia’s military to enlarge and then you won’t rely on US presence in Australia and the Pacific.
Quote: If you could see the world that way then you would understand why so much of the world sees the CCP as a similar or perhaps even lesser evil than the USA. How can people brag that their government keeps them fat and happy while oppressing and murdering others abroad and then criticize a government who instead oppresses it's own citizens while spreading civilization abroad rather than death?
Be clear about what you believe. Say “I believe china is less bad than US” if you believe it. Otherwise, your argument is muddled. Banging on about “oppression” sounds like the victim-hood playbook to me.
How can people in Australia allow US to provide for their security while at the same time allowing China to run slipshod all over the country and clamp out free speech, filling Australian media with China-shills? Meanwhile normal Aussies are scared to speak out because your country is a de facto Chinese colony.
Quote: The CCP is offering bridges and roads and phone networks and dams and electricity and yes, censorship.
They bought up Australia and to see them as making economic inroads and developing markets is a foolish short-sighted view to take. They will be repressive and hold nominally sovereign nations economically hostage.
Quote: The USA for the last 40 years has been offering missing limbs, depleted uranium rounds by the million, and bloody regime change for anyone who complains.
If you take that view, also the Brits/ Commonwealth, The West (as the libtards say, or Global North), EU, Russia, Japanese, Soviet Union, etc.

You're new here so you I should inform you that responding inside quote bubbles or with large numbers of quote bubbles (more than two) is poor forum etiquette and I'm not going to waste my time picking through the text to try and figure out where one quote bubble begins and the other ends.

Suffice to say I reject all wealth and security offered by the US "on behalf of my country" (as if the ZOG would bother if it weren't to their overall benefit) and reject all the blessings of satan bought at the expense of others both here and abroad.

If that's not clear enough for you then I will repeat myself.

I reject all wealth and security offered by the US "on behalf of my country" and reject all the blessings of satan bought at the expense of others both here and abroad.

I do not contend to choose the lesser of two evils to be done in my name, whichever evil that may be. And for your information my country is already heavily censored and policed for wrongthink far more by the ZOG than the CCP. The CCP discourages criticism of the CCP. The ZOG has made ILLEGAL the practice of critisizing homosexuality and other progressive luciferianism by punishment of fines and eventually jail time.

Now please report back to your masters that this forum is too hard a nut to crack and therefore a waste of your time and ours. Your stale and pathetic calls to arms against China are going to fall on deaf ears. We are not sending our sons into the meat grinder to secure your dying luciferian ZOG empire.

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(03-20-2020 11:07 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  I do indeed, for better and for worse.

I actually think Russia (and the Eastern Bloc countries in general) are great examples of how prosperity (brought about by modern conditions) completely fucks up a people. Russia has one of the highest abortion rates in the world, for example. Roger Scruton recalls the almost overnight transformation of the eastern countries' culture once 'freedom' (by which he means, capitalism and modern amenities) penetrated the soviet bloc in the 90s. Something similar is shown in the movie Goodbye Lenin.

People need hardship. This is shown over and over again in the Scriptures. In the Old Testament you see God constantly punishing the Israelites because as soon as they are blessed, they start to worship false idols. From the time Moses ascended the mountain to the time he came down, they had built and were worshiping the golden calf. And of course, the most complete and unmistakable example of this lesson is Christ himself, not just in His death but His whole life. Satan tempts Christ with food (comfort), with power (technology) and with spectacle (entertainment).

And there you have it. The modern world is Satan's temptation. And we all fall for it.

I like our spirited debate. I think we are at a point we can just agree to disagree. Many of the things you say I agree with and actually add into my life. I feel very blessed for knowing many of these things and adding some hardships into my life to keep me healthy and awake.

My main concern is that if blame is assigned to all of this, it goes to the billionaire elites who have sold our nation and our people out. If others don't agree, that is fine, but I will not stop voicing this opinion. They put us in this situation so they could profit now they should be acknowledged for it.
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Quote:You're new here so you I should inform you that responding inside quote bubbles or with large numbers of quote bubbles (more than two) is poor forum etiquette and I'm not going to waste my time picking through the text to try and figure out where one quote bubble begins and the other ends.

Suffice to say I reject all wealth and security offered by the US "on behalf of my country" (as if the ZOG would bother if it weren't to their overall benefit) and reject all the blessings of satan bought at the expense of others both here and abroad.

If that's not clear enough for you then I will repeat myself.

I reject all wealth and security offered by the US "on behalf of my country" and reject all the blessings of satan bought at the expense of others both here and abroad.

I do not contend to choose the lesser of two evils to be done in my name, whichever evil that may be. And for your information my country is already heavily censored and policed for wrongthink far more by the ZOG than the CCP. The CCP discourages criticism the CCP. The ZOG has made ILLEGAL the practice of critisizing homosexuality and other progressive luciferianism by punishment of fines and eventually jail time.

China engages in extrajudicial action outside of China. Everywhere.

In Australia, China is subverting your country. Controlling academia, buying up property, and propping up the economy of australia.

Reject US security? Get out of Five Eyes agreement. Close all the american bases. Stop participating in war on terror. Stop sharing intel with other Western countries. Most importantly, get the chinese out of your country.

Speak up about how they're screwing over your country.

Stop excusing chinese behavior, ignoring it even. Stop saying the US is objectively the same as China.

If you believe in free speech, realize you won't have it under the chinese.

Realize your country bought the PC line, fullstop. In my country we are free to criticize homosexuality and there is no such thing as hate speech.

Recognize Chinese influence buying for what it is.

Speak up in Australia about the Chinese before it is too late.

Any other path is a) anti-democratic, b) doomed to fail, because chinese don't tolerate dissent, c) cucked, because you can't have your sovereign country being run by another country.

Quote: Now please report back to your masters that this forum is too hard a nut to crack and therefore a waste of your time and ours. Your stale and pathetic calls to arms against China are going to fall on deaf ears. We are not sending our sons into the meat grinder to secure your dying luciferian ZOG empire.

FYI bro, don't straw man me: I'm a nationalist. I'm anti-chinese. Do not support any special relationship with israel. I don't support foreign wars. So do not say I support stuff that I don't.
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Anyone else, in Europe, enjoy that politics as usual is dead?

I really enjoy it. No identity politics, no climate change nonsense, no squabbling over budgets, no metoo, no rape hoax bs.

Is this what an authoritarian society feels like?
03-20-2020 11:35 AM
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Out of curiousity LDN, I guess you reject preferential status and trade agreements?

Quote:The Australia – United States Free Trade Agreement (AUSFTA) is a preferential trade agreement between Australia and the United States modelled on the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). The AUSFTA was signed on 18 May 2004 and came into effect on 1 January 2005.
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Laugh4

Christ does not call me to live a life of ease, rich in offerings bought with the blood of the innocent, no matter how far away they are killed.
Christ does not call me to defend democracy, in which the majority may legislate immorality and call it good because it is law.
Christ does not call me to defend free speech when it is invariably used to profane God and all that is Holy.
Christ does not call me to defend academia who worship science at best and outright luciferianism at worst.

I will leave you to your false idols and to scratch your head in wonder as to why these things hold no value for me and thus no leverage on my soul.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
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"The US" is Kim Kardashian, it's Bruce Jenner cuts off his dick, it's Jazz Jennings 10 year old tranny, it's Sex and the City, it's jewish comedians mocking Christ, it's Amazon destroying local communities, it's interracial porn, it's sexual perversion, it's youth rebellion, it's Montesanto destroying natural food production, it's 20 years of war in the Middle East, it's Facebook and Tinder, it's fat acceptance, it's ghetto rap music, it's #metoo, it's feminism, it's yuppie-capitalism, it's micro-payments and loot boxes, it's destroying every cultural product of whites.

Tell me again how great "The US" is.
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(03-20-2020 11:46 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  "The US" is Kim Kardashian, it's Bruce Jenner cuts off his dick, it's Jazz Jennings 10 year old tranny, it's Sex and the City, it's jewish comedians mocking Christ, it's Amazon destroying local communities, it's interracial porn, it's sexual perversion, it's youth rebellion, it's Montesanto destroying natural food production, it's 20 years of war in the Middle East, it's Facebook and Tinder, it's fat acceptance, it's ghetto rap music, it's #metoo, it's feminism, it's yuppie-capitalism, it's micro-payments and loot boxes, it's destroying every cultural product of whites.

Tell me again how great "The US" is.

Aren't you just hoping things go back to normal? Icon_biggrin

Pandemics are part and parcel of living in an industrial system.
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Forgot one more:

The US is judaizing heresy.
03-20-2020 11:58 AM
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(03-20-2020 11:46 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Laugh4

Christ does not call me to live a life of ease, rich in offerings bought with the blood of the innocent, no matter how far away they are killed.
Christ does not call me to defend democracy, in which the majority may legislate immorality and call it good because it is law.
Christ does not call me to defend free speech when it is invariably used to profane God and all that is Holy.
Christ does not call me to defend academia who worship science at best and outright luciferianism at worst.

I will leave you to your false idols and to scratch your head in wonder as to why these things hold no value for me and thus no leverage on my soul.

Let me get this straight, you don't have to defend anything?

Enjoy the Chinese-world order.

I would be worried as your country continues the decent into being a Chinese colony!

One suggestion, if you're not going to defend anything, how bout not defending nationalism, Trump, closed borders? You seem pretty prone to doing that.

Resigning yourself to your fate is ok, no problem with that, but if I had a family i would try to act before it's too late.

Millions in the second world war were slaughtered by fascists, japanese imperialists, and communists who treated their soldiers as cannon fodder. It was the US that fought the hard fight to save humanity.

Do not defend yourself, and see what happens to your country, family, and those that practice your faith.

I don't have any false idols and as a christian I balk at the suggestion that I do.
03-20-2020 12:01 PM
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(03-20-2020 11:46 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  "The US" is Kim Kardashian, it's Bruce Jenner cuts off his dick, it's Jazz Jennings 10 year old tranny, it's Sex and the City, it's jewish comedians mocking Christ, it's Amazon destroying local communities, it's interracial porn, it's sexual perversion, it's youth rebellion, it's Montesanto destroying natural food production, it's 20 years of war in the Middle East, it's Facebook and Tinder, it's fat acceptance, it's ghetto rap music, it's #metoo, it's feminism, it's yuppie-capitalism, it's micro-payments and loot boxes, it's destroying every cultural product of whites.

Tell me again how great "The US" is.

It's not, and even if it is, it's a reality largely present on the coasts in places that were lost a long ago.

For every place in the US, that you say is fallen, I'll show you a place were people go to church multiple times a week, have guns, are militantly anti-gay, serve their country, husbands and wifes that aren't divorced, and so on.

Many of us here in the midwest don't fall in line with New York and Hollywood.

The second you no longer let that stuff have power over you, is the moment you're truly free.
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Quote:I do not contend to choose the lesser of two evils to be done in my name, whichever evil that may be. And for your information my country is already heavily censored and policed for wrongthink far more by the ZOG than the CCP. The CCP discourages criticism of the CCP. The ZOG has made ILLEGAL the practice of critisizing homosexuality and other progressive luciferianism by punishment of fines and eventually jail time.

You seem to be falling into that "internet theorist" frame where all information is processed through the lens of the US government being evil, therefore anyone who is a threat to them must therefore be less evil.

Furthemore, you are massively underestimating the extent to which the Chinese foster leftism. It isn't a coincidence that people like these hedge fund moguls, the Bidens, Ivy League universities, etc. all promote far left identitarian causes. They do so for the same reason that the zionists do: Because leftism is a cognitively feminine worldview that holds giving away resources to others as the highest good and in so doing provides moral cover for traitors to sell you out to hostile out groups. The two groups may be competing to different ends but both recognize that things like identity politics, globalism, and open borders are useful tools to those ends.

Quote:People need hardship. This is shown over and over again in the Scriptures. In the Old Testament you see God constantly punishing the Israelites because as soon as they are blessed, they start to worship false idols. From the time Moses ascended the mountain to the time he came down, they had built and were worshiping the golden calf. And of course, the most complete and unmistakable example of this lesson is Christ himself, not just in His death but His whole life. Satan tempts Christ with food (comfort), with power (technology) and with spectacle (entertainment).

For that reason I have become a huge proponent of mandated military service with Hard trials involved where you need to test yourself against the harsh elements. Doing so helps you understand exactly how much of a bastard nature is, and how every bit of heat, food, and shelter needs is something you need to fight to claim from nature. The US in particular is a good country for this because have a number of uniquely low populated, harsh climates such as barrens of North Dakota, Death Valley (where we already have a major training center incidentally), remote and rocky mountain ranges, and swealtering, hostile, dangerous swamps. Even say....six months of training where people learn basic civil education, rudimentary armed and unarmed combat skills, and are made to both learn and apply wilderness living skills all while facing an aggressive physical training schedule would do wonders for the overall character and quality of our people.

And if you don't want to do it? Fine. You don't get to vote.
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(03-20-2020 12:04 PM)esotericgoon Wrote:  For every place in the US, that you say is fallen, I'll show you a place were people go to church multiple times a week, have guns, are militantly anti-gay, serve their country, husbands and wifes that aren't divorced, and so on.

The problem is that absolutely nothing of that America ever makes it outside America.

All we get outside America is the absolutely most cancerous and destructive products of your country.

US cultural export is exclusively negative and damaging.
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(03-20-2020 12:20 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 12:04 PM)esotericgoon Wrote:  For every place in the US, that you say is fallen, I'll show you a place were people go to church multiple times a week, have guns, are militantly anti-gay, serve their country, husbands and wifes that aren't divorced, and so on.

The problem is that absolutely nothing of that America ever makes it outside America.

All we get outside America is the absolutely most cancerous and destructive products of your country.

US cultural export is exclusively negative and damaging.

My grandmother was evangelized by Billy Graham in Europe when she was 18. On that day she became a christian. American economic aid after the war kept her from starving. Those were American exports.

She also liked jazz, so she saw all the american greats when they came to her city.

When the Soviet Union fell, we were finally able to communicate with our relatives because capitalism prevailed.

Religion is one of our best exports. I have Korean friends whose family in Korea were evangelized by Americans in the Asian tiger era. Now their families are steadfastly christian.

As to the current day, cultural exports include: classical music, folk music, country music, tex-mex, american education system (everyone comes to be educated in USA who is halfway intelligent, including kids of CCP communists), rule of law, medicine, industry, vehicles, software, etc.

Having spent some time in post-soviet europe, things are better.

If you talk to young adults in parts of Europe, esp. the east, they tell you how much american films meant to them in their childhoods, for my friends, it was Scarface, Rocky, Rambo, Chuck Norris, etc.

Some of them even watch ben shapiro and so it is american pundits that are making them hate SJWs and modern liberalism.
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And Roosh. Don’t forget Roosh.
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