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(03-20-2020 07:46 AM)wannable alpha Wrote:  I keep reading stories of small business owners, bar owners etc talk about how they are going to go out of business or have to fire workers cause of the shutdown. I find that hard to believe. Seems like they just want some free gubmint money. What's the point of being a businessman if they are in the same position as their minimum wage employees - living paycheck to paycheck.

I think western businesses are quick to fire people. Here in India, in crunch times, companies will delay giving out salaries. Sometimes even by months. And employees stick by their employer cause they trust the company owner. Works out 9/10 times.

Will millions of Americans and Europeans go hungry if gov doesn't bail them out cause of a few weeks of shutdown? I am just a middle class guy living in a third world shithole but even I don't live paycheck to paycheck. And yes, I do have western flush toilets at home.

Because in the west we have been running on paper thin margins for decades in a row while our resources are outsourced and shipped overseas and only a few people profit off of it all.

It took me a long to realize, but most Americans live off credit. And I don't mean they waste money on credit cards (they do) but almost all investments are made on credit. And if those payments are not made each month the entire operation shuts down. Whether that is your house, or farm land, or a small business. The point of running these businesses is some freedom from having to work for someone else and a better standard of living. It sounds like you are not familiar with the USA, but many Americans live in near 3rd world conditions due to over crowding and immigration. And the people who want better for their kids will do anything possible to keep them away from these conditions. So running small businesses is what they do to keep their kids from the growing ghettos.

I know small business owners who have rent payments per month well over $20,000. Sure they can get by a month or so, but beyond that it is futile. The Federal govt. is needed now more than ever to fix this mess before the whole thing crashes.
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(03-20-2020 05:51 AM)Samseau Wrote:  ...
We are seeing globalists like Bill Gates use this crisis to advance their One World Government agenda, but in reality, this virus is the perfect opportunity for nationalists to close borders for good. If we let this crisis go to waste by believing in Chinese fairy tales that somehow USA = Bad and China = Good, we only have ourselves to blame for the coming enslavement by the Beast.

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I hope the righteous people left in the US will use the last of their nation's strength to throw off the yoke of the luciferian order rather than using that last effort to bring China to heel on behalf of those same luciferians.

Reject war. Seal the borders and reclaim our nations.

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I was hoping we could somehow rescind our debts to China over this by cancelling savings bonds if the bearer was from China.

However I think those bonds are fdic protected and we can’t cancel them even if we have good reason

Even if we could, that would set a really bad precedent, defaulting on trillions of dollars of debt could make it impossible to borrow again in the future.

Edit, I guess it might simply be more realistic to start incentivizing manufacturing in our own country. Make the tariffs so high that no one buys anything from china.

I honestly wish we could just nuke China but they have nukes of their own and can retaliate

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I honestly wish we could just nuke China but they have nukes of their own and can retaliate

You would actually welcome glassing a billion innocent people in order to dodge your national debts?

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03-20-2020 08:30 AM
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(03-20-2020 08:30 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
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I honestly wish we could just nuke China but they have nukes of their own and can retaliate

You would actually welcome glassing a billion innocent people in order to dodge your national debts?

It wasn't the Chinese who flooded our country with foreign nationals who don't agree with our way of life. Even after we pleaded and demanded it be stopped and voted for it in heavy mass.

It wasn't the Chinese who shipped our jobs overseas and decimated small town America and lead to the opiod crisis killing 70,000 of my brothers and sisters every single year.

It wasn't the Chinese who told us Afghanistan had to be conquered to avenge 9/11 and then we are still there 18 years later with no end in sight and no reason to be there.

It wasn't the Chinese who told me Iraq had WMD and was a threat to drop a dirty bomb in the USA. Now we are there 17 years later, 100,000+ men have been severely hurt/killed/committed suicide and it was all a "whoops we lied, well we have to stay".

It wasn't the Chinese who ramped up the COL to the point I can't afford children and if I did have children they would have no future what-so-ever.

It was our billionaire class.
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IIMT, let's not forget that the billionaire class couldn't do any of that without the general apathy and tacit, if not explicit, consent of everyone.

How many people who voted for less immigration patronized immigrant businesses, had immigrant cleaning ladies, etc?

How many people consumed the cheap crap from overseas?

How many people were enthusiastic about killing brown people on the other side of the world?

And while I can be empathetic, no one forces people to take drugs.

The fact of the matter is we have the billionaires we deserve. If people were willing to make a few hard choices instead of always taking the easy way out and then trying to vote against it (the worst way to solve anything), the world wouldn't be like it is. No one takes responsibility.

Everybody loves the comfort and would do only the bare minimum (vote) when it starts to be a little less comfy.

The only people I feel bad for are the ones who try to be self sufficient and get fucked over by the gov through taxes and regulations. All others have benefited from one side or another, and are just inconvenienced now that the boomerang is coming back and about to slash their neck off.

Pandemics are part and parcel of living in an industrial system.
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(03-20-2020 07:46 AM)wannable alpha Wrote:  I keep reading stories of small business owners, bar owners etc talk about how they are going to go out of business or have to fire workers cause of the shutdown. I find that hard to believe. Seems like they just want some free gubmint money. What's the point of being a businessman if they are in the same position as their minimum wage employees - living paycheck to paycheck.

I think western businesses are quick to fire people. Here in India, in crunch times, companies will delay giving out salaries. Sometimes even by months. And employees stick by their employer cause they trust the company owner. Works out 9/10 times.

Will millions of Americans and Europeans go hungry if gov doesn't bail them out cause of a few weeks of shutdown? I am just a middle class guy living in a third world shithole but even I don't live paycheck to paycheck. And yes, I do have western flush toilets at home.

Very true. In Europe, everyone calls for your head if you mess up after one mistake.

Look how when Toyota screwed up their steering mechanisms and hundreds of millions of cars had to be recalled, company leaders come out bowing and vow to not let down the legacy of company. Keeps staff.

Also Large scale MMO is a disaster in almost all respects, Square Enix wakes up, builds an entire new to replace it and makes the first one free for everyone while the second game is being built in the background. An incredible money dump. Team works like hell to rebuild, now a incredible redemption story. Keeps staff.





An interesting story even if your not into software development.
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This event has led to hundreds of stunning revelations. Every day is like a rollercoaster and it's a real fight try and resist urges to wrath in response to the things people say and do. Talk about a test from God. I don't think Eradicator is a bad person and I know circumstances like this can make people say silly things, point of fact I don't even want to mention what the first two drafts of my reply contained before I deleted them.

But here's what I'm witnessing. So many people including a large number of those who wanted an end to clown world have done an incredible about-face now that God's judgement is upon us and are desperate for any solution no matter how dirty just to get us back to yesterday when we could live among the pleasures of Sodom and Gomorrah whilst complaining about all the sinners.

So many want the easy path to victory. So few understand that we cannot win redemption without suffering. They want the old people (and many younger people) to die so their markets and pleasures will be restored. They want Trump to drain the swamp in between Sunday football matches. They want women to be forced back to virtue while they themselves spend their Sundays at that same football match.

The virus is sifting the righteous from the wicked at an alarming rate and as a social media commentator noted, long after this war has been fought and won people are going to remember the words of those who wanted to take the easy path at the expense of others.

Eradicator, I call down the Lord's blessing on you and ask that he consoles you in these troubled times so that you are not called to wish harm on others to pave your own way forward.

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(03-20-2020 08:30 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 08:01 AM)eradicator Wrote:  ...
I honestly wish we could just nuke China but they have nukes of their own and can retaliate

You would actually welcome glassing a billion innocent people in order to dodge your national debts?

They don't call him the Eradicator for nothing.

Has anyone thought much about how interesting it is that the virus seems to mainly kill old people, in light of how we've been told for at least as long as I can remember that paying pensions/social security is going to eventually become impossible for the governments of developed countries because of low birth rates and rapidly aging populations? The original solution for that was supposed to be mass immigration from the far-more-youthful third world, but now that we've had a few decades of that not working out, a pandemic with the potential to wipe out a big chunk of the elderly while sparing the younger workers who can contribute taxes into the system seems like a very convenient coincidence. Especially since it seems far more common, as far as I recall, for deadly diseases to be most dangerous for not just the very old, but also for very young children (i.e. future tax payers).

Combine that with the general increase in state control of our lives that will almost surely come with all of this, and it really does seem like quite a convenient coincidence for those who govern us, doesn't it?

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(03-20-2020 08:45 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  IIMT, let's not forget that the billionaire class couldn't do any of that without the general apathy and tacit, if not explicit, consent of everyone.

How many people who voted for less immigration patronized immigrant businesses, had immigrant cleaning ladies, etc?

How many people consumed the cheap crap from overseas?

How many people were enthusiastic about killing brown people on the other side of the world?

And while I can be empathetic, no one forces people to take drugs.

The fact of the matter is we have the billionaires we deserve. If people were willing to make a few hard choices instead of always taking the easy way out and then trying to vote against it (the worst way to solve anything), the world wouldn't be like it is. No one takes responsibility.

Everybody loves the comfort and would do only the bare minimum (vote) when it starts to be a little less comfy.

The only people I feel bad for are the ones who try to be self sufficient and get fucked over by the gov through taxes and regulations. All others have benefited from one side or another, and are just inconvenienced now that the boomerang is coming back and about to slash their neck off.

Some blame can be pushed on to the average person from the past. Whether the Greatest Generation who did nothing while their kids went through sex/drugs/rock n' roll, or the Boomers themselves who are the majority that are guilty of what you describe.

But that is in the past. Many of those people are either gone or going away soon, and the rest of us have learned from their mistakes.

And we are here now. And now we all know this satanic globalist plan doesn't work. And we are screaming for it to stop. And it is the billionaires who keep pushing it at every single level. They started it and they can stop it if they choose and they wake up every single day choosing to keep pushing it while stealing from all of us and our families.
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No it’s not to avoid paying debts. China clearly wants to enslave the rest of the world and have said as much. They want war, but want a war they can win without firing any shots.

When the virus was bad in China about a month ago but the rest of the world was unaffected, China started a program called “I’m a human not a virus” where they send Chinese people to Italy to solicit hugs from people to “fight racism and xenophobia “. And immediately after the plague went to Italy and you know the rest

We buy a lot of cheap antibiotics from China and China has been threatening to cut those off over the tariffs





It would be a mistake to underestimate China. But unfortunately nuking them is not an option

China is turning this into a propaganda war, and it’s not clear if they will win, they are very good at propaganda in their own country and have mixed success with their propaganda in the USA

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I don't see what the difference is if our survival is in the hands of the state or of giant corporations. Before this all started, the majority of people in modern nations depended on these corporations for food, shelter, heat and everything else - in other words, they depended on a gigantic, interconnected system on which they had absolutely no control.

They weren't worried one bit before just because they were allowed to go to concerts, sportsball and discos?

Pandemics are part and parcel of living in an industrial system.
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(03-20-2020 09:18 AM)eradicator Wrote:  No it’s not to avoid paying debts. China clearly wants to enslave the rest of the world and have said as much. They want war, but want a war they can win without firing any shots.
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How do I explain this...

You are living in a nation that has been doing precisely this for the last 70 years and have during that time enjoyed vast largess as the sole world superpower forcing the world at gunpoint to trade oil in nothing but the USD, except unlike China you haven't been doing it without firing a shot, you have been doing it while laying waste to entire nations and crippling their peoples for generations.

Damn China and you damn yourself. Do you not see how it works?

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(03-20-2020 09:14 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 08:45 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  IIMT, let's not forget that the billionaire class couldn't do any of that without the general apathy and tacit, if not explicit, consent of everyone.

How many people who voted for less immigration patronized immigrant businesses, had immigrant cleaning ladies, etc?

How many people consumed the cheap crap from overseas?

How many people were enthusiastic about killing brown people on the other side of the world?

And while I can be empathetic, no one forces people to take drugs.

The fact of the matter is we have the billionaires we deserve. If people were willing to make a few hard choices instead of always taking the easy way out and then trying to vote against it (the worst way to solve anything), the world wouldn't be like it is. No one takes responsibility.

Everybody loves the comfort and would do only the bare minimum (vote) when it starts to be a little less comfy.

The only people I feel bad for are the ones who try to be self sufficient and get fucked over by the gov through taxes and regulations. All others have benefited from one side or another, and are just inconvenienced now that the boomerang is coming back and about to slash their neck off.

Some blame can be pushed on to the average person from the past. Whether the Greatest Generation who did nothing while their kids went through sex/drugs/rock n' roll, or the Boomers themselves who are the majority that are guilty of what you describe.

But that is in the past. Many of those people are either gone or going away soon, and the rest of us have learned from their mistakes.

And we are here now. And now we all know this satanic globalist plan doesn't work. And we are screaming for it to stop. And it is the billionaires who keep pushing it at every single level. They started it and they can stop it if they choose and they wake up every single day choosing to keep pushing it while stealing from all of us and our families.

I don't see how they can stop it. Really. It is literally impossible to keep the current system with its apparatus going without the interconnectedness around the world. Maybe you can produce a few things at home, but beyond basic necessities I don't see how. But even for the ones you can find materials all inside the USA, the price would not be feasible. So they wouldn't get made.

I think most people don't realize what they would have to give up to stop globalism. And if you only stop the immigration part of it, your survival is still dependent on gigantic organizations on which you have absolutely no say.

And even beyond that, assuming everything produced today, from smartphones to cars to the machines that produce them, could be produced from inside one country (let's say the USA), your survival would still depend on these large corporations on which, again, you have no say.

So, in essence, you would be just as free as you are now: not at all.

Pandemics are part and parcel of living in an industrial system.
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(03-20-2020 09:27 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 09:18 AM)eradicator Wrote:  No it’s not to avoid paying debts. China clearly wants to enslave the rest of the world and have said as much. They want war, but want a war they can win without firing any shots.
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How do I explain this...

You are living in a nation that has been doing precisely this for the last 70 years and have during that time enjoyed vast largess as the sole world superpower forcing the world at gunpoint to trade oil in nothing but the USD, except unlike China you haven't been doing it without firing a shot, you have been doing it while laying waste to entire nations and crippling their peoples for generations.

Damn China and you damn yourself. Do you not see how it works?

No. US has largely been a benevolent caretaker for weak W. European countries, Pacific rim countries (including Aus, NZ, etc), Canada, as they have created massive welfare states and diminished the size of their militaries.

US and China are not morally equivalent--for Peat's sake. they run concentration camps. Their is no free flow of information, and the corporate welfare scheme they run makes our corporate welfare in the west look like child's play.

Need I remind you this outbreak started because the chinese eat bushmeat and sell it in crowded urban markets.

I don't want to live in a chinese-lead world and neither should you.

This is not about ideology, this is about a Chinese-lead system being objectively much worse.

And, there will be no right to criticize the Chinese or you will end up in a camp or without goods that you need for your country to survive.

Australia is already under the Chinese umbrella, and if I were australian I would be so angry about this travesty:

Quote:When Hamilton, a professor at Charles Sturt University, first tried to publish his new book, Silent Invasion: China's Influence in Australia, the fear of China's Communist Party crept in, he says. Hamilton's original publisher, Allen and Unwin, informed him last November that it was canceling the book's publication because it feared legal action from what it called "Beijing's agents of influence."

"I was shocked," remembers Hamilton. "I felt betrayed. We knew this was a difficult subject. We knew that Beijing has some powerful friends in Australia. We knew that the Chinese government would be highly critical of the book and of me. Of course, it was great comfort to have a really good, solid publisher behind me, and all of a sudden I was left out there on the battlefield, looking over my shoulder, saying, 'Where is my support?' "

The episode was a vindication of the central thesis of Hamilton's book — that China's Communist Party has infiltrated Australia — but not one he expected to have to deal with personally.

"It's a massive red flag," says Hamilton. "And if Australia capitulates on this question, in other words, no book seriously critical of [the] Chinese Communist Party will be published in Australia. I mean, this essentially means we've sacrificed our democratic freedoms."

Australia fights back

China's rise under the Communist Party has had a profound impact on Australia. The country is Australia's biggest trading partner by a long shot, accounting for nearly a quarter of Australia's trade. China's demand for commodities like iron ore in the early 2000s fueled a mining boom in Australia that created jobs and steadily pushed up wages. Later, as China's urban consumer class grew, young professionals from Shanghai and Beijing turned to Australian steak, milk and wine. Nearly a third of Australian exports now head to China.

I don't know why more people aren't pushing back about this.

Here is a pertinent example of the Chinese essentially buying influence from the end of a gun barrel, from a pandemic that is their fault:

"A Global Challenge Needs a Global Response"
Quote:Serbian President Aleksander Vučić threw a tantrum this week of a kind that should give us pause for thought. "European solidarity does not exist," he raged. "That was a fairy tale on paper." He complained that recently, Europe had sought to force Serbia to reduce its reliance on goods from China and import from Europe instead. Now that Serbia needs goods from Europe, though, "Serbian money is worth nothing."

Serbia, which isn't yet a member of the European Union club, would like to purchase protective suits and face masks from Europe to prepare for the coronavirus pandemic. But Europe isn't selling because "medical goods can only be exported to non-EU countries with the explicit authorization of the EU governments," as European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen announced earlier this week. "This is the right thing to do, because we need that equipment for our health-care systems."

So Vučić wrote a letter to Chinese President Xi Jinping, certain that Beijing would jump in to fill the void. "I believe in my brother and friend Xi Jinping, and I believe in China's help," he wrote.

"A Friend In Need Is a Friend Indeed"
It's a crazy situation: The government that initially tried to cover up the coronavirus outbreak, then implemented radical measures to fight it and slowly got it under control at great cost, is now being seen by a European leader as the savior in the corona crisis. And Beijing was more than happy to accept the compliment. "A friend in need is a friend indeed," wrote Chinese state news agency Xinhua. "When handshakes are no longer encouraged in Europe, China's helping hand could make a difference."

And that is how geopolitics work: If a vacuum appears, someone immediately jumps in to fill it.

The EU, of course, is fully aware that Beijing is on the lookout for such vacuums. Just a year ago, Brussels declared China to be a "systemic rival promoting alternative models of governance.
" Yet now, Europe is exposing a flank to that rival -- not just in the Balkans and Eastern Europe, where China has been trying to ramp up its influence for years, but even within the EU itself.

Rome "cried for help when it comes to ventilators and masks," said Italian Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio. Italy's EU ambassador, Maurizio Massari, says that the European Commission forwarded Italy's request for medical equipment to the EU member states, "but it didn't work."

Meanwhile, two teams of Chinese doctors with aid supplies have arrived in Italy and a third is on the way. Spain, too, can count on assistance from China, said Xi Jinping following a telephone call with Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez. "Sunshine always comes after the rain," the Chinese president said. On Wednesday, Commission President von der Leyen announced that China would be providing 2 million masks to Europe, along with other supplies.

Beijing is also shipping aid supplies to Iran, Iraq and the Philippines. Jack Ma, the founder of the vast Chinese online retailer Alibaba, announced he was sending 20,000 test kits, 100,000 masks and 1,000 protective suits for doctors and nurses to each of the 54 countries in Africa. Previously, the Jack Ma Foundation and the Alibaba Foundation had sent aid supplies to Japan, South Korea and other countries.

Politics - and, by extension, geopolitics – does not come to a halt in times of crisis. On the contrary, they can become much more ruthless. That can be seen particularly clearly in the conflict between the U.S. and China, which has grown especially tense following months of a disastrous trade war. In February, Washington announced that Chinese state media representatives in the U.S. would be categorized as "foreign agents." One day later, Beijing threw out a trio of reporters from the Wall Street Journal, while on Tuesday of this week, the Chinese Foreign Ministry demanded that at least 13 reporters from the New York Times, the Washington Post and the Wall Street Journal turn in their press credentials. It is an unprecedented step.

So easy to see what they're doing, and they will demand something in return.
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Virus affected countries in Europe=getting screwed by EU, will take any handouts.
US=Better us calling shots than communist virus-deniers.
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(03-20-2020 08:45 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  IIMT, let's not forget that the billionaire class couldn't do any of that without the general apathy and tacit, if not explicit, consent of everyone.

How many people who voted for less immigration patronized immigrant businesses, had immigrant cleaning ladies, etc?

How many people consumed the cheap crap from overseas?

How many people were enthusiastic about killing brown people on the other side of the world?

And while I can be empathetic, no one forces people to take drugs.

The fact of the matter is we have the billionaires we deserve. If people were willing to make a few hard choices instead of always taking the easy way out and then trying to vote against it (the worst way to solve anything), the world wouldn't be like it is. No one takes responsibility.

Everybody loves the comfort and would do only the bare minimum (vote) when it starts to be a little less comfy.

The only people I feel bad for are the ones who try to be self sufficient and get fucked over by the gov through taxes and regulations. All others have benefited from one side or another, and are just inconvenienced now that the boomerang is coming back and about to slash their neck off.

Some blame can be pushed on to the average person from the past. Whether the Greatest Generation who did nothing while their kids went through sex/drugs/rock n' roll, or the Boomers themselves who are the majority that are guilty of what you describe.

But that is in the past. Many of those people are either gone or going away soon, and the rest of us have learned from their mistakes.

And we are here now. And now we all know this satanic globalist plan doesn't work. And we are screaming for it to stop. And it is the billionaires who keep pushing it at every single level. They started it and they can stop it if they choose and they wake up every single day choosing to keep pushing it while stealing from all of us and our families.

I don't see how they can stop it. Really. It is literally impossible to keep the current system with its apparatus going without the interconnectedness around the world. Maybe you can produce a few things at home, but beyond basic necessities I don't see how. But even for the ones you can find materials all inside the USA, the price would not be feasible. So they wouldn't get made.

I think most people don't realize what they would have to give up to stop globalism. And if you only stop the immigration part of it, your survival is still dependent on gigantic organizations on which you have absolutely no say.

And even beyond that, assuming everything produced today, from smartphones to cars to the machines that produce them, could be produced from inside one country (let's say the USA), your survival would still depend on these large corporations on which, again, you have no say.

So, in essence, you would be just as free as you are now: not at all.

The price isn't feasible because these billionaire traitors flooded our nation with millions of people who were never needed and do not believe in our way of life. If we had nature population growth, and at this point leveled off because the last thing the world needs is more people, then we could again afford to produce things here.

We produced everything we needed in the USA for decades on end, until the 1970's and mass immigration destroyed our way of life.

Until we start thinking this way we cannot fix the problems we face. We just go back into the same cycle of billionaires getting richer while our kids have no future and no hope.
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(03-20-2020 09:38 AM)esotericgoon Wrote:  I don't know why more people aren't pushing back about this.

Because in the end the Chinese govt. isn't the root cause.

Yea, the Chinese govt. is evil and yes they seem determined on slowly taking over the globe.

But this wouldn't be a concern and they would just be the cute little brother that wants to play with the big boys but can't keep up, if we had our own nations and our own way of life. China was never a huge concern until the west was decimated.

So who decimated the west? That is the culprit.
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This is where we drift off: there's nothing natural (including population growth) about the way of life of the 1970s. If you have modern medicine and modern technology, you don't have natural population growth. In the 1970s, people already depended on large systems to survive. If those systems fail, it's famine. If those systems decide you are not worthy, it's famine.

If you depend on supermarkets to eat, you are not truly free - it doesn't matter if the produce comes from your own country or another country. If it needs to be shipped, then it depends on a large system, on which you have no control.

And yes, you produced everything you needed, but that production would be impossible without materials from all over the world, without international coordination, and without giant corporations to handle it.

Pandemics are part and parcel of living in an industrial system.
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(03-20-2020 09:38 AM)esotericgoon Wrote:  I don't know why more people aren't pushing back about this.

Because in the end the Chinese govt. isn't the root cause.

Yea, the Chinese govt. is evil and yes they seem determined on slowly taking over the globe.

But this wouldn't be a concern and they would just be the cute little brother that wants to play with the big boys but can't keep up, if we had our own nations and our own way of life. China was never a huge concern until the west was decimated.

So who decimated the west? That is the culprit.

A bunch of normie idiots, globalists, and business-owners who voted/lobbied (over many years) for neo-liberalism, foreign wars, and off-shoring.

Many of whom you could call, "liberals", "moderates", "conservatives", "republicans", and "democrats". Plenty of blame to go around.
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Nothing confirms your point of view like a brand-spanking-new account opened during a crisis shilling for precisely the opposite of what you're suggesting.

As I've noted previously, just because China does all it's extrajudicial killings inside it's own country rather than abroad, that doesn't make the US a moral actor by comparison.

When Americans complain about the horrible CCP I want them to imagine that all the countries in which American wars, occupations and coups were carried out were actually states of the USA itself. Imagine for example that Afghanistan was a US state and all the human collateral damage of that occupation was suffered by American citizens.

If you could see the world that way then you would understand why so much of the world sees the CCP as a similar or perhaps even lesser evil than the USA. How can people brag that their government keeps them fat and happy while oppressing and murdering others abroad and then criticize a government who instead oppresses it's own citizens while spreading civilization abroad rather than death?

The CCP is offering bridges and roads and phone networks and dams and electricity and yes, censorship.

The USA for the last 40 years has been offering missing limbs, depleted uranium rounds by the million, and bloody regime change for anyone who complains.

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(03-20-2020 09:18 AM)eradicator Wrote:  No it’s not to avoid paying debts. China clearly wants to enslave the rest of the world and have said as much. They want war, but want a war they can win without firing any shots.
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How do I explain this...

You are living in a nation that has been doing precisely this for the last 70 years and have during that time enjoyed vast largess as the sole world superpower forcing the world at gunpoint to trade oil in nothing but the USD, except unlike China you haven't been doing it without firing a shot, you have been doing it while laying waste to entire nations and crippling their peoples for generations.

Damn China and you damn yourself. Do you not see how it works?

Most of us condemn that too. We would vastly prefer if the US followed Swiss style leadership and we minded our own damn business.


Quote:The CCP is offering bridges and roads and phone networks and dams and electricity and yes, censorship.

The USA for the last 40 years has been offering missing limbs, depleted uranium rounds by the million, and bloody regime change for anyone who complains.

You're vastly downplaying the degree to which the CCP is oppressive. If you swapped the two bodies, both you and Roosh would have been tortured to death in starvation camps.
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(03-20-2020 09:54 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Nothing confirms your point of view like a brand-spanking-new account opened during a crisis shilling for precisely the opposite of what you're suggesting.

As I've noted previously, just because China does all it's extrajudicial killings inside it's own country rather than abroad, that doesn't make the US a moral actor by comparison.

When Americans complain about the horrible CCP I want them to imagine that all the countries in which American wars, occupations and coups were carried out were actually states of the USA itself. Imagine for example that Afghanistan was a US state and all the human collateral damage of that occupation was suffered by American citizens.

If you could see the world that way then you would understand why so much of the world sees the CCP as a similar or perhaps even lesser evil than the USA. How can people brag that their government keeps them fat and happy while oppressing and murdering others abroad and then criticize a government who instead oppresses it's own citizens while spreading civilization abroad rather than death?

The CCP is offering bridges and roads and phone networks and dams and electricity and yes, censorship.

The USA for the last 40 years has been offering missing limbs, depleted uranium rounds by the million, and bloody regime change for anyone who complains.

I see the reality for third world nations as essentially a choice of domination by whichever they see as the lesser evil among the US (and its satellite states), China, or Russia. It's a depressing reality, but who's to say that options B or C aren't better.

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(03-20-2020 09:50 AM)esotericgoon Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 09:46 AM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 09:38 AM)esotericgoon Wrote:  I don't know why more people aren't pushing back about this.

Because in the end the Chinese govt. isn't the root cause.

Yea, the Chinese govt. is evil and yes they seem determined on slowly taking over the globe.

But this wouldn't be a concern and they would just be the cute little brother that wants to play with the big boys but can't keep up, if we had our own nations and our own way of life. China was never a huge concern until the west was decimated.

So who decimated the west? That is the culprit.

A bunch of normie idiots, globalists, and business-owners who voted/lobbied (over many years) for neo-liberalism, foreign wars, and off-shoring.

Many of whom you could call, "liberals", "moderates", "conservatives", "republicans", and "democrats". Plenty of blame to go around.

What if the only two choices were open borders globalism, which is true? Because both parties are owned by the same people. What if someone predicted this is the final outcome of "democracy" that the people who are really in charge hide behind the curtain and give you the illusion of choice. Your choice being "open borders, illegal immigration, higher taxes" or "open borders, endless war, and the same taxes". Now both parties offer pretty much the exact same thing.
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(03-20-2020 09:47 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  This is where we drift off: there's nothing natural (including population growth) about the way of life of the 1970s. If you have modern medicine and modern technology, you don't have natural population growth. In the 1970s, people already depended on large systems to survive. If those systems fail, it's famine. If those systems decide you are not worthy, it's famine.

If you depend on supermarkets to eat, you are not truly free - it doesn't matter if the produce comes from your own country or another country. If it needs to be shipped, then it depends on a large system, on which you have no control.

And yes, you produced everything you needed, but that production would be impossible without materials from all over the world, without international coordination, and without giant corporations to handle it.

Trading for materials you need is a BIG difference from flooding your country and nearly doubling the population in a few decades, many of which have no connection to your nation or your way of life.
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(03-20-2020 09:54 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Nothing confirms your point of view like a brand-spanking-new account opened during a crisis shilling for precisely the opposite of what you're suggesting.

As I've noted previously, just because China does all it's extrajudicial killings inside it's own country rather than abroad, that doesn't make the US a moral actor by comparison.

When Americans complain about the horrible CCP I want them to imagine that all the countries in which American wars, occupations and coups were carried out were actually states of the USA itself. Imagine for example that Afghanistan was a US state and all the human collateral damage of that occupation was suffered by American citizens.

If you could see the world that way then you would understand why so much of the world sees the CCP as a similar or perhaps even lesser evil than the USA. How can people brag that their government keeps them fat and happy while oppressing and murdering others abroad and then criticize a government who instead oppresses it's own citizens while spreading civilization abroad rather than death?

The CCP is offering bridges and roads and phone networks and dams and electricity and yes, censorship.

The USA for the last 40 years has been offering missing limbs, depleted uranium rounds by the million, and bloody regime change for anyone who complains.

Quote: Nothing confirms your point of view like a brand-spanking-new account opened during a crisis shilling for precisely the opposite of what you're suggesting.

Nice, we were not in the midst of the Corona virus at the beginning of March. Seeing as you take contrarian positions (and others), who’s to say it’s not a avenue for wealth redistribution. Crisis is always good for that.

Quote: As I've noted previously, just because China does all it's extrajudicial killings inside it's own country rather than abroad, that doesn't make the US a moral actor by comparison.

Quote: A man claiming to have worked as a secret Chinese operative for five years says Beijing has directed overseas assassinations, including on Australian soil.



According to Nine Newspapers, Mr Wang has provided new details about the kidnapping of five booksellers who specialised in works critical of Chinese leaders based in Hong Kong, starting in 2015, and their rendition to mainland China.

Responding to the news of Mr Wang's reported asylum claim on Twitter, former Chinese diplomat Chen Yonglin said Mr Wang would not be safe in Australia.
"He'd better move to America later. He is not safe in Australia. Since he revealed names and IDs of operatives and kidnappings, he may be executed
," he wrote.
"Extremely difficult to hide the whole family from a powerful surveillance state like China in [a] modern high-tech world.
"China collects all data of WeChat users, listens to Apple [mobile phones] and hacks PCs, besides [there are] over 1,000 operatives on the payroll," he added.
Quote:Over the years, the cases have started to pile up. In 2002, Wang Bingzhang, a prominent pro-democracy activist, was seized in Vietnam by Chinese operatives and thrown into prison on the mainland, where he remains to this day. Two years later, another well-known dissident, Peng Ming, was kidnapped in Myanmar and jailed in China; in late 2016, he died under suspicious circumstances in prison.
Now, however, Beijing’s policy of forcibly repatriating people it considers Chinese nationals — some of whom are in fact citizens of other countries — appears to be accelerating. Powerful businessmen, ex-Chinese Communist Party officials, dissidents, and activists have all been targeted as part of what Western intelligence officials say appears to be a large-scale campaign.

These abductions have become prevalent enough that officials at the U.S. State Department are growing concerned — though they have yet to raise the subject formally with Beijing. The issue “is being talked constantly about at the top,” says one current State official, who has asked not to be named because they are not authorized to speak publicly on the issue. The official notes a recent cable focusing specifically on Chinese renditions in Southeast Asia.
They don’t just do it in their country.

You again are trying to say US and China are equivalent.

That is the pot calling the kettle black as you most directly benefit from the American global order as well as the American security umbrella.
Quote: When Americans complain about the horrible CCP I want them to imagine that all the countries in which American wars, occupations and coups were carried out were actually states of the USA itself. Imagine for example that Afghanistan was a US state and all the human collateral damage of that occupation was suffered by American citizens.
If critiquing American foreign policy then Aus/ NZ is directly culpable because of their complicity in it. Australia’s presence in the War on Terror, as well as Five Eyes. Pay for Australia’s military to enlarge and then you won’t rely on US presence in Australia and the Pacific.
Quote: If you could see the world that way then you would understand why so much of the world sees the CCP as a similar or perhaps even lesser evil than the USA. How can people brag that their government keeps them fat and happy while oppressing and murdering others abroad and then criticize a government who instead oppresses it's own citizens while spreading civilization abroad rather than death?
Be clear about what you believe. Say “I believe china is less bad than US” if you believe it. Otherwise, your argument is muddled. Banging on about “oppression” sounds like the victim-hood playbook to me.
How can people in Australia allow US to provide for their security while at the same time allowing China to run slipshod all over the country and clamp out free speech, filling Australian media with China-shills? Meanwhile normal Aussies are scared to speak out because your country is a de facto Chinese colony.
Quote: The CCP is offering bridges and roads and phone networks and dams and electricity and yes, censorship.
They bought up Australia and to see them as making economic inroads and developing markets is a foolish short-sighted view to take. They will be repressive and hold nominally sovereign nations economically hostage.
Quote: The USA for the last 40 years has been offering missing limbs, depleted uranium rounds by the million, and bloody regime change for anyone who complains.
If you take that view, also the Brits/ Commonwealth, The West (as the libtards say, or Global North), EU, Russia, Japanese, Soviet Union, etc.
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