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(03-19-2020 09:04 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  Bill looks like a zombie of sorts. His dog is creepy AF.

That dog looks sad.
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(03-18-2020 10:43 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  This event has made it apparent just how far our societies have actually declined from their supposedly "poor" market positions back when the Spanish Flu hit.

Instead of businesses operating from a positive balance it seems like virtually all of them are operating under a vast line of credit where profits are only extracted on a weekly basis after figuring repayments to the creditors.

It's also being revealed how vast the number of jobs and businesses is that serve no purpose but for entertainment and other non-essential services. I've often griped about government make-work jobs being used to pull intellectual derelicts out of unemployment lines but it appears I was only seeing the tip of the iceberg. Men used to work in farming and milling and fishing and mining, in heavy industry, delivery and shops (operating without credit) selling what amounted to vital products and services.

Now all I hear is "my friend's bar is going under and he has to lay off all his staff" or "the closure of stadium X is going to put thousands out of work". The real make-work our societies have undertaken is purely in entertainment to divert us from a great number of things we ought to be paying attention to instead of getting drunk and fat and screaming at whatever bloody team is playing on the day. The sports announcer on the local ABC said the other day that to read all of the event and league closures line for line would take him 30 minutes. 100 years ago that concept would be alien. Nobody had the time or the inclination to compete in the Eurasian Paralympic Quintathlon Masters pre-season warm up events much less to watch them on Fox sports.

Meanwhile 100 years ago people literally saved the money to buy a house in cash and that was feasible. Now people are functionally renting-to-own from the bank for 25 or even 30 years. Our "poor" predecessors 100 years ago had little to no concern about evictions during a pandemic. They even had savings and were wise enough to store food. Now people need two paychecks (in the city) just to live week to week making payments on their home and they're one layoff (or pandemic) away from losing it all.

But the starkest observation is this. 100 years ago when a pandemic hit you were either sick or you were flooded with offers for work. People needed to keep running businesses because those businesses provided goods and services which were vital, so every man still on two feet couldn't toss a rock without hitting a job offer. Meanwhile the largest levels of unemployment were not related to pandemics but as usual the fuckery of the investor class and their idiotic machinations of living in the sky on clouds of interest and dividends. You know who's doing overtime right now? Anyone in food manufacturing. Anyone at a toilet paper factory. Doctors, nurses and police officers. People making medicine.
The people doing manicures and running the booths at Disneyland are in for a rough ride.
Do you think we might learn something from that?

It just so happens that in this case the pandemic and the collapse of the grand financial fuckery have occurred at the same time, and surprise surprise, people blame the virus rather than the financial fuckery.

We, as children under God, are not yet capable of responsibly using the technology that allows us to multiply our productivity. This is not to say I have no sympathy for people slinging alcohol and sportsball and travel and movies and theme parks and pushing stocks around on a screen who have suddenly found these industries to be perilous when hard times hit. But this financial crash and the destruction of the investment/entertainment complex was inevitable at some point or another, and people hoping that the olds just die so we can get back to "normal" are failing to see that the society we've built is anything but "normal".

Consider how the people working in "fashionable" industries have looked down on farmers, truckers, food process workers, shelf stackers and register operators for decades now.

Maybe by the time this is done with, the urban snobs will be arriving at the doorstep of their long lost rural cousins with their hat in their hand.

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A theory I've been tossing around (which I'm not saying I believe at this point, I just want to write it down to sort out my own thinking and invite people to poke holes in it): COVID-19 did not emerge in China. It was not a bioweapon that escaped from the Wuhan research facility or a virus that jumped to humans at the Wuhan meat market. Rather, it emerged in the United States sometime around August/September of 2019 and has been quietly spreading in the U.S. since then. The "bad flu season" the U.S. experienced this year was largely due to undiagnosed COVID-19 cases. It wasn't until the virus jumped to China in November or December that it was actually identified as a novel virus by the Chinese.

This theory helps to explain many of the conditions we're currently experiencing.

1) Why is the U.S. government strongly pushing a Chinese origin story? Because it shifts the blame away from them (the same reason the Chinese are blaming the U.S.)
2) Why is there woefully inadequate testing for COVID-19 in the U.S. right now? Because if testing were widespread it would reveal that millions of people have already been infected, which would make it obvious that the virus has been here for several months already.
3) Why doesn't the government want to admit the virus originated here? Because it highlights both how atrocious our healthcare system is at actually treating people and how inept our government is for failing to detect and contain the virus earlier.
4) Why is the government suddenly pushing for lockdowns to the extent they are willing to intentionally destroy the economy and possibly plunge the country into a Depression? Because they realized they have millions of people walking around carrying this virus, many of whom are asymptomatic carriers. And because the virus is actually already so widespread, we can expect the population to begin developing herd immunity much more quickly than is currently believed. Once that herd immunity is developed, cases will drop off sharply. There must be some kind of explanation for the sharp drop off in cases in the coming months, and the strict lockdown measures will provide that.

If this theory is correct, the virus is actually much less deadly than we currently think, with a mortality rate very similar to regular flu. The reason it seems so high is because the vast majority of people who catch it are either entirely asymptomatic, experience only a moderate cold or at worst a nasty flu. Only a very small minority (most of whom have pre-existing medical conditions, the others who probably have unfortunate genetic vulnerability to this particular virus) require hospitalization. And of course, only people who require hospitalization go to the hospital and get tested for the virus. Essentially, the 3-5% mortality rate we see floating around is horribly inflated, because the sample size is NOT "all people who contracted COVID-19" but rather "all people who contracted COVID-19 and happened to get hit REALLY hard by it", which is a tiny fraction of the total number of infected.

Anyway, I'm at least kind of hoping this is true, because it would mean we're actually much better off than things currently seem, and the worst of this could be over in a couple months. But I'm a bit black-pilled either way now. I have hard time seeing how the countermeasures being put into place to fight the virus aren't going to tremendously damage our economy and standard of living for years to come and at the same time erode our civil liberties permanently. The most depressing possibility, of course, is that those effects are intentional, and that this virus is simply the means towards those ends.

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(03-19-2020 09:09 PM)scorpion Wrote:  A theory I've been tossing around ... and that this virus is simply the means towards those ends.


Probably best to strap down Bill Gates & find out what he knows...
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I absolutely believe that is the actual case Scorpion, everything points to it, but we'll never know the truth, because the US media machine is still the strongest in the world by a magnitude. They have Google, Youtube, Reuters. China has their own. Russia has their own, but none of those have any pull at all in the West. The US information attack power is still so great that China does not stand a chance. Of course, more and more people, in the West are simply assuming that the US is always lying, always deceiving, by default.
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Going by Scorpion's theory, where does Trump fall into all of this? Because initially Trump was downplaying it, treating it like a simple flu variant, but did an about face (due to public outcry? deep state collusion?) soon thereafter.


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Scorpion: problem with your theory is that covid19 is so incredibly infectious that we'd have trains packed full of dead bodies right now and hospital crises two months ago. I don't have an idea how the virus originated, but the reality on the ground in hospitals does suggest we were infected after China.

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I look at this using Occam's razor. Did an incredibly complicated plot involve a new virus originating in America and going undetected until it spread to China, and then Iran and Italy? This virus was just a bad flu in the US, but is causing calamity in other countries.

Or, did a new virus start in China like it does every year, due to them eating monkeys and bats and iguanas and other weird wild animals whenever they can, and probably having sex with them as well?

Even with the USA's problems with DOJ employees running Spygate, and NSA spying, and all that, China has a far more totalitarian, secretive, dishonest and oppressive government. To think the US is the one that launched a secret plot, and the Chinese are the ones who were innocently caught up in our intrigues is far fetched.

The US isn't innocent, but the Chinese are even less innocent, by a long shot. I think they had a new virus crop up in their filthy country, like it does every year, and they had a knee jerk reaction to try to cover it up, and the situation blew up on them. They tried to cover with a rumor that it really started in the US, and some people find it plausible. It's standard disinformation to create FUD. This is the most likely explanation, and therefore by Occam's Razor, is the most likely to be true.

Edit: I've never been to China. I'd like to ask the experienced China hands on RVF if my accusations are fair, about them eating every kind of weird wild animal, and probably having sex with them, and calling it a filthy country, and also oppressive and dishonest.

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(03-19-2020 10:10 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Scorpion: problem with your theory is that covid19 is so incredibly infectious that we'd have trains packed full of dead bodies right now and hospital crises two months ago. I don't have an idea how the virus originated, but the reality on the ground in hospitals does suggest we were infected after China.

I would 2nd this critique.

Bergamo, Italy just had Army trucks pulling out the bodies. If the Virus had been in USA so long, more people would have died already.

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One thing we know for certain is that globalism is a system that works for a few trillionaires and not for the people. Coronavirus is a consequence of globalism. After this carnage is done, will they just go back to the same corrupt deals? Why does the US have any trade deals anymore with China after this? If China is the cause, why haven’t we declared war? After all, what is happening is greater than 1000 Pearl Harbors. America has never been invaded like this. Patriots have to create a homeland and it is going to be a multigenerational struggle.

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(03-19-2020 10:17 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  I look at this using Occam's razor.

So did I and the results are quite simple.

Fact 1- A very infectious airborne virus appears in Wuhan and then near Milan (or in Les Contamines).

Fact 2- The World's 2 top (and twin) laboratories specialised on infectious deseases (and working on the same viruses, interchanging researchers under UN guidelines) are situated in Wuhan and a city situated just after Milan-Les Contamines.

Fact 3- The same scientist, "L", oversaw the launch and design of these 2 labs, and his wife, Health Minister, suddenly resigned, in tears, weeks before the catastrophic situation was made public knowledge.

From these 3 facts, I of course conclude that in all likelihood the coronavirus escaped by accident or purpose from the twin laboratories of Wuhan and proximity-of-Milan...

... I mean, escaped probably by a hostile act from a UN-approved (Iranian perhaps?) guest researcher who visited both labs, unless it's just an accident involving the defectuous transportation of the virus (for joint-research purposes) from Wuhan Airport to Milan Airport.

As to why President Trump calls the coronavirus "Chinese coronavirus", it's maybe because the US got the Wuhan-escaped virus, while Europe has the Contamines-Milan escaped virus (Spanish scientists yesterday revealed there are two slightly different and mutating viruses). Both were slightly different versions of the same virus, simultaneously studied by both twin labs?
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(03-19-2020 10:17 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  I look at this using Occam's razor. Did an incredibly complicated plot involve a new virus originating in America and going undetected until it spread to China, and then Iran and Italy? This virus was just a bad flu in the US, but is causing calamity in other countries.

Or, did a new virus start in China like it does every year, due to them eating monkeys and bats and iguanas and other weird wild animals whenever they can, and probably having sex with them as well?

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Devon Stack and others have been theorizing that Covid is part of an engineered collapse of a building the oligarchs know is about to implode due to overwhelming levels of debt. They can blame the virus. Could be, although I'm probably more in the Roosh court of assuming the politicians think it's serious and are trying to avert what they think is a medical disaster. After all, if they don't do something and there's a disaster, they may get strung up.

Regardless, my main concern is the possibility of a hyperinflation. The Fed looks to be out of bullets and now it's just a con game to keep it all afloat while the Fed keeps expanding the money supply and the gov't keeps spending away. If a hyperinflation hits, then the problems are really going to start. The good side may be the end of empire and a lot of migrants returning home.
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(03-19-2020 11:12 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(03-19-2020 10:17 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  I look at this using Occam's razor. Did an incredibly complicated plot involve a new virus originating in America and going undetected until it spread to China, and then Iran and Italy? This virus was just a bad flu in the US, but is causing calamity in other countries.

Or, did a new virus start in China like it does every year, due to them eating monkeys and bats and iguanas and other weird wild animals whenever they can, and probably having sex with them as well?

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It is gross, but speaking in decent language with clinical terminology, I have had the understanding this is likely the way HIV and Ebola made the leap from animals to humans, and I do think it is a general factor in new diseases popping up in humanity.

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By the way, this is a good podcast between Tom Woods and Peter Schiff on the economic impacts. These are two right libertarians of the Ron Paul stripe. I'm not with them on free trade but these guys have always been good on the evils of the Fed and empire.

Schiff draws useful contrasts between the situation now and the situation on the homefront during WWII.
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"What changes are we going to have to make to how businesses operate to maintain our economy while providing social distancing?"

Bill Gates: "The question of which businesses should keep going is tricky..."

Look at how he answered that question. You can bet the airlines are on the chopping block. Say goodbye to freedom of movement. Wonder what else he's/they're thinking.
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Shale oil in the US has accounted for almost all global oil production growth for theblast 10 years. You cannot have fiscal growth without net energy input increases. The shale oil industry is peaking and breaking apart at the seams. Thos would have triggered massive financial collapse worse than 2008.

In addition to the above we have moved into a sun cycle called the Grand Solar Mimimum. This will and has caused crop losses globally llacing stress on a failing system.

The above combo of less sun energy and less carbon energy is a simultaneous death blow to modern industrial civilization.

The elites and their game theorists realized they cannot let the system collapse organically. They need a controlled demolition to maintain control. They have all the wealth, they seek to maintain control.

The timing of peak shale oil and the grand solar minimum has caused them to step up their actions and here we are.

Expect this to be painfull.

We are all on the Titanic. We hit the iceberg and eveeyone heard the screaching sound of ice against steel. The band is still playing and the captaim has assured us that everything is ok. The truth is that this ship is going to sink and most of us will die. There will be survivors.
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Many wicked women will use this to emotionally and mentally abuse their Husbands:




Even minor issues aren't off the table at: 6:18

This is a field-day for contentious women.

What I find puzzling is why so many men end up married to such women?

I don't know if a stress test could be done prior to marriage to prevent oneself from marrying said women.

Verbal aggression needs to be screened out.
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There’s an interesting small detail here. Armstrong called out Bill Gates biochip agenda specifically.

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This is the time for the worthless puppets in DC to finally do some good. They gave their billionaire masters $2.2 trillion last week to pump up their stock market. What do they do for the American people? They give them some horrible tax rebate that will turn into a disaster. While Americans are struggling and businesses are about to have massive layoffs, the people get no help at all.

You have Democrats like Schumer trying to profit off of this with "low interest rate loans for small businesses" while big businesses get free cash.

You have Republicans become fiscally conservative again only when it applies to working people and small businesses but fully support throwing away trillions on billionaire investments.

But the cherry on top is finding out sitting US Senators were talking about how strong the economy was in February while they were using inside information to dump their stock portfolios....


I just found out this woman's husband is CEO of the New York Stock Exchange. You can't even make this up, unreal.
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The theories that the West started this virus in our own countries without anyone noticing are simply absurd.

The amount of propaganda being pushed on this virus right now is insane, the reason people are trying to blame the US is to prevent the collapse of globalism. If the propaganda to blame the US is successful, then the globalists can continue with their schemes of Chinese slave labor selling into the West. That's all it is, it's 100% in (((someone's))) interest to make sure China does not take the blame.

Not only would this virus been impossible to hide had it started in the US, but, if the USA developed it why would we let it spread in our own country first instead of shutting down travel and releasing it overseas first? The theory is laughable and fails on so many levels, but additionally, the people pushing this stuff are simply in denial about the extreme measures the USA is taking to combat this plague and so are looking for an excuse that this was somehow planned; this comforts our "Western" ego (i.e. Christian heritage of freedom) into believing this nightmare could somehow go away if the people rise up and overthrow their oppressors.

People want to believe that they could somehow take control and regain what has been lost with this virus, and are making up extreme theories that, in reality, the virus is a hoax and the real problem is the response (which is just actually a denial of reality, the hospitals, and just foolishly accepting Chinese propaganda).

One thing I expect to see is how many Western leaders die from the Chinese virus. Since this virus is so deadly, killing both the old and young, the old have no chance if they contract it. Most globalists and "elites," are just rich greedy old scumbags, and so are extremely fearful for their lives. This is why they implement extreme measures to fight the virus, because if it spreads unchecked then they are the first to die. Their money will not save them, this is why they must use hardcore measures to quarantine the virus.

Of course since we all have elderly loved ones it is in all of our interests to cooperate with the quarantine, but if the rich were not threatened they would never shut down the economy to the extent we have nor would they give a damn even if the poor were dying at 5% or greater (which the poor do, all the time, on the streets of major cities across all nations, every year).

The number one thing any patriot can do right now is avoid letting globalists take control of the narrative as "China is the good guy who has done the most against the virus!" If America returned to autarky, we'd never have this plague and our economy would be roaring right now. We need a strong return to nationalism and self-reliance on our own economic outputs and inputs. China should have remained closed back in the 1970s and we never should have believed in other governments that we, the people, have no control over.

It is ridiculous that we trust foreign governments, which we have zero control over, over our own government that ostensibly we can influence and hold to account. Right now, anyone who advances theories which promote the globalist agenda is either a shill or extremely naive.

We are seeing globalists like Bill Gates use this crisis to advance their One World Government agenda, but in reality, this virus is the perfect opportunity for nationalists to close borders for good. If we let this crisis go to waste by believing in Chinese fairy tales that somehow USA = Bad and China = Good, we only have ourselves to blame for the coming enslavement by the Beast.

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While smaller retailers and major companies get destroyed Amazon is touted as a world savior:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74782...pid2070437

Indeed - because it fits nicely with Agenda 21 goals of no small businesses left somtime this century.

Vitamin C Megadosing: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74755.html
03-20-2020 05:56 AM
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RE: Coronavirus Economic / Cultural / Political Ramifications
(03-20-2020 05:51 AM)Samseau Wrote:  We are seeing globalists like Bill Gates use this crisis to advance their One World Government agenda, but in reality, this virus is the perfect opportunity for nationalists to close borders for good. If we let this crisis go to waste by believing in Chinese fairy tales that somehow USA = Bad and China = Good, we only have ourselves to blame for the coming enslavement by the Beast.

I like your post and agree with much of what you said. But I am one of the guys who doesn't trust the US govt. any more than I trust the Chinese govt. I am not convinced the US govt. was not involved in this. But I also have seen no proof of it either. I just know our govt. lies to us nonstop and until we the people hold them accountable for their actions they will not stop.

But when someone says the USA could be involved and you say "USA = Bad" it is too simplified. There are three "USA's" and we need to correctly identify each one.

#1) The Americans. People who put America First. Trump's original voter base. Common sense Americans with no where else to go and many have ties back to the founding of this country. These people need to be woke up to the reality that the GOP will not do anything for you because they are owned by the same billionaire class that owns the Democrats.

#2) The libtards. A combination of people who are in the USA just to steal from the American class mentioned above + Wahmans who push really stupid social engineering memes + grifters looking to profit off this brainwashing. These people need to be pushed to the sidelines. The amount of pain and suffering they are causing worldwide has to be stopped. The time for useful idiots has run its course and they need to be told to stay at home while the real men fix this mess they created.

#3) The US Govt. We have Mexican drug cartels overrunning our country and what is the US Govt. doing? They are setting up 18 year old boys with life time sentences by trapping them online into buying guns or making threats. They are harassing other nations into political revolution. They are wasting trillions on endless wars fought against enemies our tax dollars support. They are setting up snipers to protect drag queen story hour from protesting mothers outside the library. They are sending 6 police officers to arrest men who just want to observe drag queen story hour at the public library.

I don't trust a damn thing the US Govt. tells me. If they want to win me back and millions like me out here, and the quickly growing number of us, then it is time for them to do right by we the people and not right by the few billionaires.

Yea the Chinese govt. is bad. Is it worse than our govt.? I doubt it.
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03-20-2020 06:25 AM
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I keep reading stories of small business owners, bar owners etc talk about how they are going to go out of business or have to fire workers cause of the shutdown. I find that hard to believe. Seems like they just want some free gubmint money. What's the point of being a businessman if they are in the same position as their minimum wage employees - living paycheck to paycheck.

I think western businesses are quick to fire people. Here in India, in crunch times, companies will delay giving out salaries. Sometimes even by months. And employees stick by their employer cause they trust the company owner. Works out 9/10 times.

Will millions of Americans and Europeans go hungry if gov doesn't bail them out cause of a few weeks of shutdown? I am just a middle class guy living in a third world shithole but even I don't live paycheck to paycheck. And yes, I do have western flush toilets at home.
03-20-2020 07:46 AM
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