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(03-17-2020 07:29 AM)Zagor Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busines...20-2%3famp

Endgame.

Some governments already admitted that they use the phones of people registered in the quarantine to track them.

After wristbands they will add RFID chips because they will claim that phones and wristbands are not enough.

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(03-16-2020 08:14 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Worst case scenario:
- The virus becomes endemic to the population and is found to inflict permanent damage on many victims
- Normal life as we knew it becomes a thing of the past. The economy ceases to function
- The global economy enters a depression deeper than the Great Depression
-Far-left wing, practically Communist policies put in place across the U.S. and Western nations as emergency measures
- The economy is unable to recover and goods are rationed and distributed by the government
- Authoritarian police state in place. Severe reduction in personal freedoms and movement
- Laws passed to require mandatory vaccinations and chipping of all citizens to ensure order and economic stability

- Hundreds of millions of people out of work
- Mass civil unrest across the world
- Multiple first-world governments experience revolutions

In the absence of such a thing actually being the tribulation period. Would such a system be sustainable?

Would 1984 Big Brother Society be able to sustain its oppression of us?

I think if the medical system destroyed by socialism and socialism does its thing.

Oppression will be hindered by incompetence and red-tape. And repeated devastations of malnourished proles by pestilence will deprive said oppressive system of maintenance workers and taxes.

Technology may inevitably degrade and even brutal methods may have their limitations because of that.

The Soviet Union after all was only able to defeat the Germans with Logistical support via the land lease:


Quote:"Now they say that the allies never helped us, but it can't be denied that the Americans gave us so many goods without which we wouldn't have been able to form our reserves and continue the war. We didn’t have explosives, gunpowder. We didn’t have anything to charge our rifle cartridges with. The Americans really saved us with their gunpowder and explosives. And how much sheet steel they gave us! How could we have produced our tanks without American steel? But now they make it seem as if we had an abundance of all that. Without American trucks we wouldn’t have had anything to pull our artillery with."

-Georgy Zhukov


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Most of the critics of Trump are blaming the President for things he does not have the power to change by himself. Trump does massive, aggressive moves within his own sphere of power that leaves voters mostly satisfied. It's the other parts (Congress, <20% approval rating) of our government which are trash, and those with Trump Derangement Syndrome never seem to notice.

Please stop spamming threads with useless analysis that betray a huge ignorance on how the US Gov actually works.

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Quote:He had 2 months to prepare, get tests in place. Buy/make ventilators, train crews. This all could have been in place by now, his moment to shine, he's reduced to BS like saying his preparedness grade is 10/10 on a press conference today.

The preparation wasn't done by anyone in the government, not just the President. However, at least our President actually put down a travel ban which is why America is not suffering nearly as badly as Europe (yet). So blaming the President when literally 100% of the Western world is more guilty, is disingenuous, lying; no attentive American is going to take you seriously. You have TDS by focusing on one man in a vacuum.

Quote:He insisted nothing was wrong until people started getting sick and dying, and now saying “we’ll be stronger than ever before!” is just giving what may well turn out to be false hope to people with low IQs and people who get their information from “trusted authorities” (but I repeat myself). In retrospect I’m actually a bit ashamed of myself for having gotten caught up in his 2016 rhetoric.

So all you can say is that Trump acted like 100% of the rest of our government, which called Trump racist for even doing the mild act of a Chinese travel ban. So why focus on Trump if he acted like the rest of our government, except, you know, he actually did more than the rest of our government?

Why are Trump critiques so darn boring? Gets tiring reading broken records repeating the same critiques. At least give honest analysis, please!

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(03-17-2020 07:37 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 07:29 AM)Zagor Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busines...20-2%3famp

Endgame.

Some governments already admitted that they use the phones of people registered in the quarantine to track them.

After wristbands they will add RFID chips because they will claim that phones and wristbands are not enough.

To Track Coronavirus, Israel Moves to Tap Secret Trove of Cellphone Data - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/world...cking.html

Quote:Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has authorized the country’s internal security agency to tap into a vast and previously undisclosed trove of cellphone data to retrace the movements of people who have contracted the coronavirus and identify others who should be quarantined because their paths crossed.

The unprecedented move to use data secretly gathered to combat terrorism for public health efforts was authorized on Sunday by Mr. Netanyahu’s holdover cabinet. It must still be approved by Parliament’s Secret Services Subcommittee.

I'm guessing that just like after 9/11 where changes were made to surveillance laws (eg Patriot Act), some of the new powers that the government will use to deal with this virus will be with us long after the virus is defeated. Those new powers will stay in place, ostensibly to "keep us safe".

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(03-16-2020 02:26 PM)lookslikeit Wrote:  Assuming this corona will be a long-term mutating disease that will keep coming every year with same intensity or stronger.

SARS-CoV-1 didn't. Also it's likely that if this lingers, there will be people with immunity so it won't threaten to spread rapidly through the whole population.
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(03-17-2020 05:32 AM)eradicator Wrote:  In 2009 the H1N1 Swine Flu infected 49,000,000 Americans. hospitalized 265,000 Americans and killed 12,469 Americans. And there was no hysteria, no pandemonium. And President Obama waited 4 months after WHO declared it a pandemic before he declared a national emergency. Those are the facts. My opinion says that this is totally political in a effort to hurt the economy before the 2020 elections.

Probably telling it to the crier by posting on this site but there you have it.

That's a Case Fatality Rate of .02%. Numbers aren't firm yet for COVID-19 yet, but that's two orders of magnitude less than some estimates. Let's say CFR for COVID-19 is 1%. That's almost 500,000 american deaths if 49 million Americans are infected. Meanwhile 49 million would be a very lowball estimate for number of infections, if no controls are implemented.

That is a HUGE difference. And of course, what you should have heard by now is that there's a huge risk of the healthcare system being overwhelmed, both due to the large number of pneumonia patients AND because they will be losing staff to stress and coronavirus itself. Not only will this raise the CFR of covid-19, but stress on hospitals will lead to increased deaths from other diseases that won't be able to get proper care.

There is a MASSIVE difference between this coronavirus and swine flu. Also, compared to the previous SARS coronavirus, this one is far more contagious. SARS-2003 was contained with something like 9,000 cases.
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(03-17-2020 08:00 AM)Samseau Wrote:  ...
So all you can say is that Trump acted like 100% of the rest of our government, which called Trump racist for even doing the mild act of a Chinese travel ban. So why focus on Trump if he acted like the rest of our government, except, you know, he actually did more than the rest of our government?
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That's precisely it. Trump is not special. By your own admission the only step he took was "mild" and other than that "he acted like the rest of (your) government".

So he gets little to no credit as being some sort of messianic political guru or even much of an outsider. Thus far the only thing he's demonstrated a talent for is showmanship, which is of little to no use in the face of a serious threat like a pandemic. So no, the people critical of him do not have TDS. They are simply finally beginning to note the extreme divergence between the expectations Trump built and the complete mediocrity he's delivered.

Promise big. Build hype. Deliver little. Dedicated followers attempt to keep the dissidents in line and enforce maintenance of the hype.

This is how a cult of personality works. You'll notice it functions a lot like North Korean politics. When something goes right it's Kim's genius at play. When something goes wrong it's because of dissidents who must be purged.

Kim is the greatest human to ever have existed and can do anything.

Kim is beset by malefactors and as such cannot do anything.

The people getting off the Trump train aren't claiming he's the worst president ever. They're just accepting that he's a chump the same as every other chump before him.

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I'll make a few predictions:

1. Identity politics is dead. They'll try again, but this time it will be met with an overwhelming response to shut the fuck up with their first world problems.

2. The EU is a zombie. When it's time to examine the course of action, the EU will show that they did nothing at all to help, as they did nothing to help the migrant invasion. The EU does nothing to benefit ordinary europeans.

3. A bunch of rich and powerful older gentlemen will die off. This virus targets them specifically. Old, male, pre-existing condition. A lot of world leaders need to stay in those bunkers for the next year.

4. There's a real risk of civil war in the US. I hear even in California and Silicon Valley, people are buying guns and stocking up, talking about the risk from "poor families" and "increased violence".

5. There will be a real and serious push towards rural / semi-rural living. Plan accordingly.
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(03-17-2020 02:20 AM)911 Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 06:41 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 06:04 PM)Roosh Wrote:  The virus is hereby known as the Chinese virus:


Powerful reframe by Trump. His re-election chances just improved tremendously. People's anger and loss will now be directed at China instead of him, and he can always point out how he did a travel ban against China and was called racist for it.

Gotta hand it to Trump, he can really take control of situations that seemingly look way beyond the point of salvaging.

EDIT: Looking at insane amount of liberal crying from this tweet means it was right on target.

Trump has fucked up, botched covid19, badly. You can't control a pandemic if you can't test on a massive scale. That's how China and Korea curbed their pandemic. Korea had less time to prepare, set up hundreds of safe testing stations and they've managed to keep a lid on the spread despite them being packed in dense cities like Seoul.

I'm not sure if it's plain incompetence, or if he's being set up to fail, or if the eugenicists are running the show in DC, the way they are in the UK with that ridiculous notion that if the people get infected, they no longer can get infected -problem solved!

He had 2 months to prepare, get tests in place. Buy/make ventilators, train crews. This all could have been in place by now, his moment to shine, he's reduced to BS like saying his preparedness grade is 10/10 on a press conference today.

This focus on testing as some kind of rainbow-world perfect scenario that Trump could have done is just standard-issue leftoid Trump bashing. Yes, testing is very important and would have helped some. Acquiring more healthcare resources would have also helped some. But the key is "some," and would have to be accomplished at a time when Chinese manufacturing was paralyzed. Furthermore, while Trump is obviously leader of the country and buck stops there, the reality is that the country is FULL of leaders, many of whom were in much better positions to take immediate precautionary actions. How many Hospital administrators really had this on their radar before the crisis in Italy? How many Governors? Senators? Who was bitching about Trump's travel bans on China way back in January?

There comes a point during a natural disaster where you are really just fucked and there's nothing you can do, unless your preparation began long before the threat appeared. There was no time to build new dikes in New Orleans once Katrina was in the gulf. Preparedness for a pandemic of this magnitude would have to have been years in the making. We can't just double the number of ICU beds in 1 month.

And personally, while I think this shit is going to be bad, I predict that the US is in a much better position to handle a pandemic than most of Europe. We have almost 3 times more ICU beds per capita than Italy and France, 5 times more than the UK. I think Canada is on par with Italy and France. Lower population density may help slow the spread of the virus.


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Would anyone on the R side of the scale have accepted "there's nothing much anyone could have done" if Obama were still president?

Or would it be "that commie bastard is obviously trying to get us all killed"?

Why did South Korea manage to get immense levels of testing up and running while the richest nation on earth was languishing at the bottom of the list with the 3rd world shitholes?

Look, it's your country. I'm more or less resigned to you guys playing partisan politics all the way to civil collapse, because all anyone there seems to care about is getting points on the board in a big popularity contest. The virus doesn't care one way or another, but on one side you have people saying "overreaction" in the lead up and "underreaction" in the aftermath while the other side blusters that this is no big deal and it's all just a plot to smear Dear Leader.

So I'll go back to my previous question, and keep in mind that I'm just a decreasingly interested and very distant observer who's ceased to consider that I have a dog in this fight other than the well being of the typical American prole.

Why did South Korea manage to get immense levels of testing up and running while the richest nation on earth was languishing at the bottom of the list with the 3rd world shitholes?

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(03-17-2020 08:00 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Most of the critics of Trump are blaming the President for things he does not have the power to change by himself. Trump does massive, aggressive moves within his own sphere of power that leaves voters mostly satisfied. It's the other parts (Congress, <20% approval rating) of our government which are trash, and those with Trump Derangement Syndrome never seem to notice.

Please stop spamming threads with useless analysis that betray a huge ignorance on how the US Gov actually works.

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Quote:He had 2 months to prepare, get tests in place. Buy/make ventilators, train crews. This all could have been in place by now, his moment to shine, he's reduced to BS like saying his preparedness grade is 10/10 on a press conference today.

The preparation wasn't done by anyone in the government, not just the President. However, at least our President actually put down a travel ban which is why America is not suffering nearly as badly as Europe (yet). So blaming the President when literally 100% of the Western world is more guilty, is disingenuous, lying; no attentive American is going to take you seriously. You have TDS by focusing on one man in a vacuum.

He banned travel from countries "we don't like", China and Iran, while (1) letting other impacted countries in (Korea, Japan, Italy, etc), (2) not testing or tracking any visitors and (3) not doing anything in terms of directives for social distancing, implementing lockdowns.

As soon as he knew there was an outbreak in WA state he should have also set up domestic travel restrictions from that area.

He had the power to close off the borders, and to oversee the preparations for mass testing. The buck stops with him. He's basically a boomer who doesn't understand the dynamics of epidemiology, and that without mass testing you can't control or reign in this beast. He should have issued directives for cancelling colleges and schools a month ago.

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He might very well have been set up for failure, but that is still on him.

The reason we aren't suffering as badly as Europe boils down to geography, not Trump's crisis management prowess, we're only 2-3 weeks behind Spain or France. Trudeau has been just as stupid if not more, yet Canada is less infected than the US and a bit behind on the infection curve due to geography, but it's not like Trudeau deserves any praise for this.

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Quote:Would anyone on the R side of the scale have accepted

Of course partisans attack the opposition with whatever they can manage. That's not relevant to a discussion among men here who should have some degree of respect for each other's cognitive abilities.

Quote:"there's nothing much anyone could have done" if Obama were still president?

That's not what I said, though. The fact is that failure to implementing an invasive, universal testing plan is not some kind of deathblow criticism to Trump. It is partisan framing to make Trump look as bad as possible and smart people on this forum shouldn't fall for it. The specific quote as this:

"Trump has fucked covid19, badly"

That's what's wrong. I know plenty of normie-tier liberals and they are not particularly upset with Trump over this. Most angry they got was when he gagged the CDC and forced every communication to be vetted by Pence. And that's easy to understand, because it looks like petty political, authoritarian maneuvering during a crisis. People obsessed that he didn't do enough testing are people who spend way too much time online reading propaganda. They read somewhere that if we had 100% test coverage, we could have 100% quarantine effectiveness, and we could stop the spread of the virus entirely. They think that it's Trump's fault and only Trump's fault that we don't have that, and haven't really thought beyond that.

Has Trump been messiah tier during this crisis? No. I saw your straw man earlier in the thread. But he hasn't "botched it badly."
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(03-17-2020 09:01 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'll make a few predictions:

1. Identity politics is dead. They'll try again, but this time it will be met with an overwhelming response to shut the fuck up with their first world problems.

2. The EU is a zombie. When it's time to examine the course of action, the EU will show that they did nothing at all to help, as they did nothing to help the migrant invasion. The EU does nothing to benefit ordinary europeans.

3. A bunch of rich and powerful older gentlemen will die off. This virus targets them specifically. Old, male, pre-existing condition. A lot of world leaders need to stay in those bunkers for the next year.

4. There's a real risk of civil war in the US. I hear even in California and Silicon Valley, people are buying guns and stocking up, talking about the risk from "poor families" and "increased violence".

One of the arguments I used to hear from people skeptical about a civil war in the US was that Americans were too well off, relatively speaking, for it to be a real possibility. That won't be true anymore since a lot of people in this country are going to be taking it on the chin financially this year. I was reading a report this morning that suggested we may be dealing with this for the next 18 months:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperia...3-2020.pdf

Quote:We show that in the UK and US context, suppression will minimally require a combination of social distancing of the entire population, home isolation of cases and household quarantine of their family members. This may need to be supplemented by school and university closures, though it should be recognised that such closures may have negative impacts on health systems due to increased absenteeism. The major challenge of suppression is that this type of intensive intervention package – or something equivalently effective at reducing transmission – will need to be maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more) – given that we predict that transmission will quickly rebound if interventions are relaxed.

If we are dealing with these kind of restrictions for a year and a half, entire industries are going to be upended and a ton of people are going to be out of work. Adding this kind of financial stress onto an already divided country, during an election year no less, is going really expose the cracks in our society.

Quote:5. There will be a real and serious push towards rural / semi-rural living. Plan accordingly.

I think the housing market in general is going to get hammered. The stock market declines, job losses across the board, are going to reduce people's ability to muster up a down payment. I do see rural areas weathering this better though as people looking for a feeling of physical security are going to feel a lot safer away from the urban masses.

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Also, I don't have to tell you, that 3D-printing and robots are going to be booming now?
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(03-17-2020 09:01 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  I'll make a few predictions:

1. Identity politics is dead. They'll try again, but this time it will be met with an overwhelming response to shut the fuck up with their first world problems.

2. The EU is a zombie. When it's time to examine the course of action, the EU will show that they did nothing at all to help, as they did nothing to help the migrant invasion. The EU does nothing to benefit ordinary europeans.

3. A bunch of rich and powerful older gentlemen will die off. This virus targets them specifically. Old, male, pre-existing condition. A lot of world leaders need to stay in those bunkers for the next year.

4. There's a real risk of civil war in the US. I hear even in California and Silicon Valley, people are buying guns and stocking up, talking about the risk from "poor families" and "increased violence".

5. There will be a real and serious push towards rural / semi-rural living. Plan accordingly.

I sure hope you're right about identity politics. Its left to be seen. I do agree with you on this. Our civilization has undergone a radical change and in very short order. Waking up this morning, I felt surreal thinking to myself, "well, another day in quarantine" and whether this is two weeks, one month, two months or even more, we're still at start of this. Living Americans have never experienced this. I hope that even a nominal impact to the otherwise hyper convenient lifestyle we've been privileged to live under will evoke some very strong and positive reactions.

For instance, I watch a pro-choice or pro-homosexual outbursts on youtube and I wonder, just how spoiled a person can be. How utterly removed such an individual is from the harsh realities of this world for them to become so hysterical over what amounts to throwing an apoplectic temper tantrum over sex.

Well quarantine will make it so we all have to accept limitations on our behavior even if that just means staying put.

The economic impact will not be good either. The fed's recent liquidity injections seem to have had little effect so far. Many of the counter-culture economists have long since lamented that the fed's policy of dumping money into the system and reducing rates will not be able to work at all or have reduced efficacy in a future crisis, after all, rates have been kept artificially low for years now. What's next zero or negative? This will sober us up too, in a big way.

Finally, there is a mortal aspect of it all. Being sedated by entertainment, drugs and good living makes for a nihilistic culture. Death is something remote or avoided by any number of diversions. A deadly and novel virus that has literally come from half way around the world in a incredibly short period of time will have some people thinking a little more about their life. The low mortality rates are irrelevant so long as people think about this just a little more than they did. And in quarantine, we have lots of time to think. Death may still be remote and far off, but, for Generation X, for instance, who are now turning 40 and, therefore, pasted the turn and playing the back 9 holes, this reminder that life is temporary is something we very much need in our society and culture.

You see the "progressive" solution, which is, among other things, nihilistic, is completely insufficient even under the best of circumstances. Death is the single biggest event anyone of us will face and we'll all face it in due time. There is not escaping it. liberal progressives solution, which has to include their atheistic point of view, offers nothing. Literally, nothing. Meaning you're sentient one moment and then you are not. This is a poorly thought out position. No one realizes just how utterly indescribable the terror of nothing actually is. And that's what our overlords insist we all believe in.

They get away with it by denying death. Just like they deny every other inconvenience of life. Drugs and other pleasures help allay such concerns and when taking in abundant quantities helps to suppress death well below the immediate consciousness.

My point - this is completely insufficient for the human experience. Such an ideology works only for lesser animals who have very little awareness of their own being. Humans are far to conscious of their surrounding and themselves for this to work.

A nudge or two combines with some loss of material convenience may evoke a broader acknowledgement of our mortality and, with that, a more responsible appreciation of death.
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The Robert Koch institute - essentially the German CDC version - says that the coronavirus restrictions may be necessary for up to 2 years.

https://www.welt.de/vermischtes/article2...auern.html

And let us extend that to forever!

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If we're too cowardly to take our freedom back after an obviously necessary quarantine then then we don't deserve our freedom anyway.

And I challenge anyone who claims this virus is harmless to go and volunteer at their local metropolitan hospital.

Number of takers predicted, zero.

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Peter Zeihan on the American response and the future of the world.

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Amazon announce except for food and medicines, all deliveries to the distribution centers are suspended.
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(03-17-2020 10:35 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  If we're too cowardly to take our freedom back after an obviously necessary quarantine then then we don't deserve our freedom anyway.

And I challenge anyone who claims this virus is harmless to go and volunteer at their local metropolitan hospital.

Number of takers predicted, zero.

I would go, but the quarantine measures would mean, that I get fully tagged and put on a surveillance and no-fly no-travel no-nothing list at the same time. There are thus no volunteers. The list has instantly repercussions to anyone around me as well since they are put on the same list and you get police visits.

That is real no matter what.

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It's so easy to take your temperature with a "temperature gun" that it can become a settled practice in many countries to check if you have the fever when you are crossing a border.

You can add to that an AI that will do the job of sorting the sick people in 0.00001 second.

This practice will not be implemented in the countries owned by the globalists, like France or Germany now.
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Great thread on how the coronavirus could spark the end of the fiat system.

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(03-17-2020 09:26 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Why did South Korea manage to get immense levels of testing up and running while the richest nation on earth was languishing at the bottom of the list with the 3rd world shitholes?

Because we have a Congress ready to impeach the President if he so much as orders anyone below him to do something that may impact a Democrat adversely, who only condemned Trump as racist merely for implementing a soft travel ban?

Because South Korea doesn't accept Chinese bullshit whereas 90% of our idiot leaders do?

Blaming Trump, when he was the only one to do anything, is myopic and fails to examine the larger picture. Without offering an alternative, and merely hating, you're just wasting your time. And right now the alternatives to Trump are both 100% open-borders, one being a Commie ideologue and the other a globalist shill of the highest caliber.

Makes little sense to criticize something when there is no alternative.

I will say one thing though, Trump is very lucky the Republican primary season is over. Had he run against a stronger nationalist who was calling for stricter measures against China in November, I would have voted against Trump in the primary.

But we don't have any other options, and we are lucky to have what little we do in our insanely corrupt USA.

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(03-17-2020 08:04 AM)Renzy Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 07:37 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 07:29 AM)Zagor Wrote:  https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.busines...20-2%3famp

Endgame.

Some governments already admitted that they use the phones of people registered in the quarantine to track them.

After wristbands they will add RFID chips because they will claim that phones and wristbands are not enough.

To Track Coronavirus, Israel Moves to Tap Secret Trove of Cellphone Data - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/world...cking.html

Quote:Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel has authorized the country’s internal security agency to tap into a vast and previously undisclosed trove of cellphone data to retrace the movements of people who have contracted the coronavirus and identify others who should be quarantined because their paths crossed.

The unprecedented move to use data secretly gathered to combat terrorism for public health efforts was authorized on Sunday by Mr. Netanyahu’s holdover cabinet. It must still be approved by Parliament’s Secret Services Subcommittee.

I'm guessing that just like after 9/11 where changes were made to surveillance laws (eg Patriot Act), some of the new powers that the government will use to deal with this virus will be with us long after the virus is defeated. Those new powers will stay in place, ostensibly to "keep us safe".

Cell phones track everywhere you go. I was looking at my cell phone map one Sunday morning for a restaurant that had breakfast, someplace with interesting food and a full bar. I checked out a place in a neighborhood across town, and opened up the information on the place. My phone told me I had been there three years ago. Once I was reminded, I remember going there late one night when I was out bar hopping in that neighborhood with my wife.

I think the NSA has had access to this information for years, but they have probably tried to keep this on the down low, and other government agencies haven't had free access to the data, or at least they needed a warrant to get it.

This current effort to use it for coronavirus tracking sounds like an effort to bring it out into the open, and get people used to the fact they are being tracked 24/7 for their whole lives, with every little detail remembered forever.

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(03-17-2020 11:05 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  I would go, but the quarantine measures would mean, that I get fully tagged and put on a surveillance and no-fly no-travel no-nothing list at the same time. There are thus no volunteers. The list has instantly repercussions to anyone around me as well since they are put on the same list and you get police visits.

And you'll be on the list of those first in line to be raped with the vaccine.

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