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(03-26-2020 01:44 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 01:00 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  The bioweapon rumor is InfoWars-esque baloney - so China would deliberately create a bio weapon to wipe out the main consumers of all the cheap crap they produce? What major trade battle (did he say which one?) would be fixed by that?

By this empty logic, China should also get rid of their nuclear arsenal then, since why would they want to nuke the main consumers of their cheap crap?

Even emptier logic, via false equivalency. Every nation that can secure them has nuclear weapons as deterrents; oddly enough not one has chosen to use them since 1945 - not even Pakistan and India, and they hate each other. And a biological pandemic breaking out from a nascent superpower does not, ipso facto, demonstrate said pandemic was the direct result of a leak from a secret bio weapons lab no matter what Alex Jones tells us in between plugs for his gold business. Your whole approach to the topic reeks of neocon warmongering.

(03-26-2020 01:44 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
Quote:North Korea and Russia also have pretty tight borders, no refugees, no sanctuary cities and have never been cruise ship meccas. Even if they are lying about having no cases at all I suspect they don't have many. But there's no evidence to support the deliberate bioweapon theory.

Tons of evidence, you just choose to ignore it. China has been caught repeatedly manipulating genes of animals and clones, and SARS viruses have already escaped their labs once or twice before ( cite?). This new super-virus escaping their lab fits right into the timeline of events.

The real question is, why would anyone be so naive to trust the mass-murdering Commies?

Who's trusting commies? They are not the ones debunking this ill founded rumor. I'm going by the facts, and so far all we know is it originated from that region, it does not resemble anything directly manipulated in a lab and China's got horrible sanitation practices and health regulations that would make a NYC sewer rat blush. It's a wonder such outbreaks from that region are as rare as they are.

If they were so adept at creating so many bio weapons one would think they'd make the news via Wikileaks for their efforts at bio weapons once in a while. Or maybe they would solicit bio-weapons experts to commit treason instead of the usual American computer scientists and engineers. But that's not a demonstrated pattern in Chinese espionage, probably because they don't appear to be nearly as interested in bio weapons as they are in tech. This was a fuck up from shitty sanitation, not a bio weapons black ops, sorry.

The real question is why anyone can be so sanguine about having all the answers with so little actual proof. We don't know squat about it being a bio weapon. In fact we know less than squat. Unless perhaps you can direct me to the tons of evidence not found on conspiracy blogs, there's nothing to this warm and fuzzy theory no matter how conveniently TEOTWAWKI it may be.

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(03-26-2020 04:40 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 08:38 AM)budoslavic Wrote:   ...


Que?
Who would be against a 'war-footing' type measure to bring back manufacturing to America & therefore get Americans back to work.
While perpetuating a reliance on foreign, if not Chinese manufacturing...?

Oh right... never mind.

The fact is AAM is clearly the problem and treating them like the CCP collaborating traitors they are is the solution.

Need to find capable teams of bio pharma Patriot entrepreneurs and fund them to quickly gear up previously closed plants with new energy efficient gear and ramp up quickly with no interest loans. Strong Buy America regs would allow seizure and destruction of all illegal off shore ChiComm sourced knockoff meds and med gear for National Security... And Trump Twitter expose any pols accepting funds from AAM traitors lobbyists.


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Occasional Cortex is complaining that illegals aren’t getting any Trump Bucks.

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Ghana (Globalists' favorite test country in Africa) has seized on the coronavirus thing to, reportedly, soon totally ban banknotes.

Banknotes bad, are full of coronavirus. Electronic payments be now mandatory for everyone, "for our common good, and what are you trying to hide from the State anyway, do you have hidden resources, why haven't you paid your taxes in full, electronically?".

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(03-26-2020 08:06 PM)Dusty Wrote:  Occasional Cortex is complaining that illegals aren’t getting any Trump Bucks.

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Seem like a great opportunity for everyone who supports illegal immigration to split their Trumpbux with an illegal as a show of solidarity.

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Posting here to not derail the main thread which should be for updates. This is in response to the question of why experts and media were downplaying before, whereas now totally in panic mode and stoking it any way they can.

The trust in the official narrative, the official sources and experts, has been going down, and since 2016 it's been going down dramatically. If you remember this fact, you understand the sudden change from 'nothing burger' to 'we're all gonna die'. Both experts and media are working very hard, but not to inform you correctly: they are working very hard to stay relevant.

Most experts are really not experts at all, be it from incompetence or from corruption or most likely both. They are a special class of what Taleb calls Intellectual Yet Idiot, they live in their data bubble and don't really know much about the outside world. This includes scientists. They don't really know what is going on.

As for journalists, they are a subset of this class, except even dumber (though equally corrupt). The only reason we saw a shift from them on the corona chan issue is because the public was finding out for themselves the reality of the situation, through alternative channels, and now to compensate they are going all in to stay relevant. The truth is probably in the middle.

The safest route is to just stop listening to them. Whether downplaying or exaggerating - they have absolutely no clue about it.

Pandemics are part and parcel of living in an industrial system.
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Even if it turns out to be a complete overblown nothing burger. It wont matter, the globalist machine will have gotten what it wanted out of it. look at 9/11 and the war on terror. Even as more and more people become aware just how bullship the official narrative is/was they wont revolt and the demoralized public are going to accept it.
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A lot of takeaway food shops locally have signs they are not accepting cash at all due to Coronavirus. I usually feel naked without cash in my wallet as ive always felt cash is king. Oddly tonight I felt the opposite when I put away my notes and fumbled for my card. Its been heading toward a cashless society for some time but is this a pivotal moment in this process and signs of the times to come I wonder.
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(03-27-2020 07:23 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  Both experts and media are working very hard, but not to inform you correctly: they are working very hard to stay relevant.

Their goal never was to inform us, but to drown our brain with so much information (relevant or not, it does not matter) that it freezes from multitasking overload.

Now look who at owns the media - if they cannot freeze our minds anymore, their owners will dump them.

Now look at what actual competence they have : none.
So if they do get dumped, they are fucked.

So yeah, they _are_ working hard to stay relevant Smile
It's a funny way to put it, but it still couldn't be more true.

I think it's a lost battle already, but time will tell I suppose ..
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8) Hollywood and its degenerate causes

https://twitter.com/getongab/status/1243...08258?s=21

(03-25-2020 04:20 PM)TheBowery Wrote:  Trump is the red pill president, the Chinese Virus is the red pill disease. It will weaken or destroy globohomo in many ways:
1) Mass migration: when resources are constrained, the enrichment will become much less tolerable - optimistically many will self-deport if the welfare and low-skill labor dry up
2) Supply chain: outsourcing to hostile countries will end
3) Intersectionality and political correctness: Everyone is a victim now, so the victimhood olympics of clown world becomes even more absurd
4) Feminism: many strong independent wahmen will be laid off from their "non-essential" jobs and be left all alone to reflect on the lack of meaning and relationships in their lives
5) Higher education: students will discover they can get a fine education without spending $200K for Marxist indoctrination
6) MSM: the blatant hysteria, gaslighting, and shilling for leftist agendas has reached new levels that is awakening many who weren't before
7) Democrats: brazen power grabs and incompetence in deep blue cities, Pelosi's pork, and braindead Biden

Optimistically, assuming small businesses can get back on their feet and we avoid mass riots or war (or Biden winning), this will be a net positive in the long term.
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For an Australian, you can potentially claim 10k of your super. Worth checking out at MyGov if you're struggling financially.
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(03-27-2020 07:39 AM)Sword and Board Wrote:  A lot of takeaway food shops locally have signs they are not accepting cash at all due to Coronavirus. I usually feel naked without cash in my wallet as ive always felt cash is king. Oddly tonight I felt the opposite when I put away my notes and fumbled for my card. Its been heading toward a cashless society for some time but is this a pivotal moment in this process and signs of the times to come I wonder.

Cash is already pretty dirty - ask anyone who has to count it for a living, especially $1 bills. Better wear gloves.

I can't really blame the restaurants for moving away from it. Even I admit it's a lot easier to control and sanitize one card versus the crud left behind by a pile of notes tainted by who knows what.

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(03-27-2020 10:18 AM)budoslavic Wrote:  

Ackman? Is that Irish? Let me check.

Surprise surprise!

Quote:Ackman was raised in Chappaqua, New York, the son of Ronnie I. (née Posner) and Lawrence David Ackman, the chairman of a New York real estate financing firm, Ackman-Ziff Real Estate Group.[3][4] He is Jewish.[5][6][7]
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U.S. Retailers Plan to Stop Paying Rent to Offset Virus
Quote:Major U.S. retail and restaurant chains, including Mattress Firm and Subway, are telling landlords they will withhold or slash rent in the coming months after closing stores to slow the coronavirus, according to people familiar with the situation.

In a brewing fight, chains are calling for rent reductions through lease amendments and other measures starting in April, said the people, who asked not to be named because the discussions are private.

These moves mark the next phase in virus fallout: What happens to billions in rent owed for businesses that have been closed? The stakes are high. Retail has a slew of big chains in turnaround mode. And if they do withhold payments, there would be a ripple effect. Landlords can’t afford to stop collecting rent for long, with many property owners sitting on loads of debt.

The situation is likely to get messier. The U.S. relief packages being considered don’t directly address rents. But the Federal Reserve’s actions may give banks the leeway to defer mortgage payments, allowing property owners to delay rent. It’s also unclear if retailers can declare a so-called “force majeure,” a contract clause that covers highly unusual events, and if landlords could then make the same case to insurers.


“The court system is just going to get flooded with a million of these disputes between tenants and landlords,” said Vince Tibone, an analyst at Green Street Advisors. “If the government doesn’t step in in any form or fashion, it could get ugly. They need to respond quickly.”

‘More Drastic’

Mattress Firm, with about 2,400 stores, sent landlords a letter last week saying it would cut rent in exchange for longer leases and offering two options to do so. This week, it sent a more urgent note revoking its earlier offer.

“The decline in revenue and forced store closures across the nation are more drastic, compressed and immediate than we originally anticipated,” the company wrote in a letter reviewed by Bloomberg. “Our need is now more severe,” the firm said, invoking the virus as a force majeure event that “will prevent or prohibit us” from paying rent.


After being contacted by Bloomberg, Mattress Firm confirmed that it has requested a temporary suspension of rent.

“We appreciate our landlord partners, and the responses have been encouraging so far,” Randy Carlin, chief real estate officer for Mattress Firm, said in a statement. “We will continue to do everything we can to maintain business continuity and to ensure there are jobs available for our people to return to when this crisis ends.”

Hennes & Mauritz AB said it’s also reaching out to landlords in areas hit by the virus.

“Negotiations of rents is an ongoing part of our business, but due to the current effect on the economy, we have and will approach our landlords in the affected markets,” a spokesperson said. The Swedish retailer has shuttered about two-thirds of its more than 5,000 stores around the world and on Tuesday warned it may need to lay off a significant portion of its staff because of the virus.

Subway Restaurants, which has more than 20,000 U.S. locations, sent out a letter to landlords last week saying that it might cut or postpone rental payments due to the virus, according a person with knowledge of the situation. The Real Deal, a real estate trade publication, reported on the communication earlier.

Some Help

In a statement, Subway said it was looking at ways to help franchises mitigate the virus fallout.

Some landlords have recognized they need to help smaller tenants. Irvine Company Retail Properties, based in Irvine, California, is allowing rent to be deferred for 90 days and then paid back with no interest over a year starting in January, according to a document reviewed by Bloomberg. The firm confirmed the practice without further comment.

Bedrock, a Detroit developer, said it will waive rent and other fees for three months for its smaller retail and restaurant tenants.

Retail real estate investment trusts may need to provide leeway on rent, Bank of America said this week after downgrading several REITs. The bank sees store closings lasting through May and the possibility of some locations going away as more fragile retailers are forced into bankruptcy.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...s-closures

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Excellent thread by Michelle Malkin on #SurveillanceWatch.


Thread continued...
Quote:Michelle Malkin @michellemalkin
2/ On March 9, 2020, US HHS unveiled new data rules
requiring MDs/hospitals to "send a core set of medical data directly to third-party apps after a patient has authorized the information exchange."

https://www.pharmacist.com/article/new-d...ir-privacy

3/Privacy protections under the new HHS third-party app/data-sharing rules are sketchy. Google, Apple & Microsoft--all at the forefront of health data-mining--sat in on the rule-making process meetings.

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https://thehill.com/policy/technology/48...r-big-tech

4/Reminder as online schooling is now the nationwide business model in Age of Corona: Google/YouTube is knee-deep in mental-health data mining of kids despite repeated privacy violations.

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http://michellemalkin.com/2019/09/04/sto...c-schools/

5/Reminder that Google/YouTube already illicitly tracks kids' geolocation data, snoops on kids' mental health via the Gaggle app & secretly harvested tens of millions of medical records via Project Nightingale.

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http://michellemalkin.com/2020/02/05/wha...predators/
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Malkin's #SurveillanceWatch thread continued...
Quote:Michelle Malkin @michellemalkin
6/A week ago, Google launched its "Verily" COVID-19 screening & testing website, which requires a Google account to log on & gives amorphous answers to basic q's about who it will share data with and why:

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7/Meanwhile, all the big insurance companies entered into new agreements w/White House to treat COVID-19 diagnostic tests as covered benefits and waive cost sharing that would otherwise apply to the test.

https://www.healthcarefinancenews.com/node/139882

8/Collusion between Silicon Valley & Big Health is not theory. It's fact. Collusion between Silicon Valley & Big Govt is not theory. It's fact. Groundwork for Singapore-style medical snooping & snitching in America has already been laid. U.S. tech tyrants are salivating.

9/Pandemic threat to Americans' medical privacy is compounded by Indian IT outsourcing/offshoring/H-1Bs. Infosys, TCS & other Indian cos. that employ 4 million+ in tech hubs are lobbying clients to relax non-disclosure & privacy rules:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...locks-down

10/#SurveillanceState's biggest enablers of medical data-mining regime are embedded inside White House: Jared Kushner, @IvankaTrump & top Romney aide/former CFO & SVP of Microsoft, Chris Liddell--who's also liaison to Jeff Bezos & Tim Cook. BEWARE!

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/meet-trum...30054.html

11/Speaking of Liddell's former employer Microsoft, here's founder Bill Gates calling for, you guessed it, a "National Tracking System For Coronavirus"

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2...5a13446a72

12/What is Bill Gates mean by a "national tracking system for coronovirus?" "Digital certificates," "tattoo markers," and ID microchips implanted in the skin.
https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/...25408?s=20
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13/That's an understatement.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/27/coronavi...cerns.html

14/Yesterday, I mentioned WH top staffer, Romney operative & former Microsoft SVP Christopher Liddell's close ties to @apple's Tim Cook. Now we see this. #FollowTheMoney #DrainTheSwamp:


15/ Related:


/ Be afraid. Be vigilant. Implement Social Media Distancing for your kids as much as possible now! https://bigleaguepolitics.com/big-tech-u...statement/

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Figured the initial 'panic buying' / hoarding was done by Chinese to ship back to China.


(03-27-2020 07:39 AM)Sword and Board Wrote:  A lot of takeaway food shops locally have signs they are not accepting cash at all due to Coronavirus. I usually feel naked without cash in my wallet as ive always felt cash is king. Oddly tonight I felt the opposite when I put away my notes and fumbled for my card. Its been heading toward a cashless society for some time but is this a pivotal moment in this process and signs of the times to come I wonder.


All well & good until the power or the EFT / Paypass system fails.
Bet they'll like cash again in that instance if they want to be paid for their services...


(03-27-2020 10:40 AM)Rush87 Wrote:  For an Australian, you can potentially claim 10k of your super. Worth checking out at MyGov if you're struggling financially.


However, you may well need to demonstrate a loss of income or employment to even be eligible.
Then in addition, the long term ramifications could hinder your retirement fund a great deal.

Yet all the same, who is going to be that fussed about a retirement fund 20 - 30 years down the line, if they're desperate now?
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Affirmative Action is inherently racist. You're giving someone a job just because they're a certain color.

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Something I've noticed over the years. People are getting sick and staying sick for an entire month or season. This wasn't always the case. I recall pre-mid 2000s a cold was a cold. You got one and got over it. Today, for many people colds tend to linger for weeks. There is an explanation and a good one at that. Antibiotics are becoming less effective and colds are becoming more resilient. Now, Convid-19 is a novel disease for sure and as a virus there isn't an antibody treatment, so, apples to oranges? Not so fast. Here we are locked down surrounded by a new a very contagious disease. Somethings going on. There was a TED talk not to long ago featuring some diversity hire doctor, but, she made some decent points. She said, expect more of this. Well, time will tell.
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(03-27-2020 11:03 PM)Towgunner Wrote:  Something I've noticed over the years. People are getting sick and staying sick for an entire month or season. This wasn't always the case. I recall pre-mid 2000s a cold was a cold. You got one and got over it. Today, for many people colds tend to linger for weeks. There is an explanation and a good one at that. Antibiotics are becoming less effective and colds are becoming more resilient. Now, Convid-19 is a novel disease for sure and as a virus there isn't an antibody treatment, so, apples to oranges? Not so fast. Here we are locked down surrounded by a new a very contagious disease. Somethings going on. There was a TED talk not to long ago featuring some diversity hire doctor, but, she made some decent points. She said, expect more of this. Well, time will tell.

This is a very good point.

All kinds of stuff is becoming harder to kill, bacterial infections and STDs, virus (maybe) and also stuff like lice and scabies.

The explanation is quite simple: Overpopulation, means more hosts, menas more mutations, means more immunity for the bugs and bacteria.
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