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(03-16-2020 07:42 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 06:17 PM)Dusty Wrote:  People are waking up that China is an evil regime and we can’t rely on them for our supply chains.

Watch the US move supply chains out of CHYNA and watch their economy implode.

Only if the US goes through a massive deflation and people start accepting one quarter of their current wages for what they do ... or people accept a massive increase in the price of the goods they used to get for pennies on the dollar.

Understand, there is always another side to the equation on this. One reason, albeit not the only reason, that half the US's manufacturing went elsewhere was simply because the expenses of being in the US and paying all the hangers-on-the-tit made it not worth it for the empty suits who ran the place. They're not likely to want to go bust, so the money has to be made some other way.

No. We were sold out on purpose to China; our politicians cashed the checks.

Example, there are certain goods that China manufactured and sold to the US well beyond production costs. We having something called an "anti dumping" tariff in which we charge 100% or more to level the playing field. I worked for a company in operations moving a certain good from a Chinese which actually was exempt from the anti-dumping duty. I was shocked... then learned there were 3 factories exempt, selling under value despite the anti-dumping tariffs. I dug into it, and learned the three are owned by the Chinese government and our own politicians leaned on the court system to get that exemption. I can come up with many many instances like this but don't want to out myself.

And now you can't just move without repercussions. I greedily rubbed my hands together in January because what I do, we moved production out of China last year. I will have goods and no one else will, right? No! They held the containers and chassis so no one could use them. Shut down the yards, nothing you can do. It took six weeks to get a booking. We are screwed.
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I've been puzzled for a long time about when economic collapse comes from the mountains of debt, which the Fed has just added to with its "injection" moves. Amazing the pile of cards has been stacked so high. And people just keep wanting to add more with UBI, debt forgiveness, etc.

Of course, the debt will never be paid; it'll just be the Big Default. The question is which generation will get left holding the bag.
03-16-2020 11:02 PM
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Increased automation in both services and manufacturing is one predicable result. Another will be a dramatic increase of interest in DIY bio-engineering. Developing more effective methods of restoring biological homeostasis is the ONLY way to increase resistance to disease. There is no other option. I think there will be a big push to develop cellular reprogramming of the likes being developed by AgeX and Turn.bio.

Indefinite homeostasis is the only long-term solution to infectious disease. This is the number one take-home lesson from COVID-19.

the usual stuff, home delivery and online shopping will permanently increase. It would be nice if the school closures led to a massive increase in home schooling. Hope springs eternal.
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The real question is what could end the Chinese virus's rampage?

Quarantines just slow it down and cannot be lifted unless one of two things happen:

1. A vaccine is developed; there is precedent for mandatory vaccines with polio and small pox.
2. Herd immunity develops after 70-80% of the population is infected and natural selection does the work.

If quarantines are lifted, as happened in China recently, all that would happen is a massive re-infection of large numbers of people and an entire new epidemic is created. So conditions 1 or 2 must be met, and I suspect will take years to happen.

Therefore, the question is, what will society look like after 2 years of heavy quarantine and plague?

- Heavy economic depression
- All former decadent activities, such as going to bars, concerts, and sporting events are forgotten but will return with a vengeance
- Total redesign of supply chains and most certainly the end of China's ascendence
- EU gone or turned into a paper tiger
- Massive levels of biflation

These are just the ones that I feel can be deduced with near logical certainty. Everything else beyond this is speculation and nearly anything is possible, but the above are going to happen unless a vaccine comes extremely fast (and actually works). 2 years of quarantine will have profound impacts on our civilization and few will be for the better. Less degeneracy and increased religiosity may be a huge plus though and a silver lining to this plague.

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03-16-2020 11:12 PM
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This things not going to last 2 years. The only kind of pandemic that would last 2 years would be something that kills off 70-90% of the human race. The 'Chrorran" plagues are a fictional account of such.

BTW, the best novel of a actual slate wiper is John Ringo's "The Last Centurion". This is an excellent novel and a realistic depiction of a real pandemic (one that kills 60% of the human race). There is a lot of good philosophy in this novel as well. A lot of this story line takes place in Iran. Fitting since Iran is now being hammered by an actual pandemic.

Another good plague novels are the first two "War Against the Chtorr" novels "A Matter For Men" and "A Day for Damnation" written by David Gerrold. However, these novels are hard to find.

Both Ringo's and Garrold's novels are quite "Heinleinian" in character. That's what makes them great.
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Israel says they’ll have a vaccine in a couple weeks, due to - using their own words - the “pure luck” of having happened to be already working on one before the spread started.

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I don't believe them. All the credible voices are saying that a vaccine will take at least 18-24 months, if not longer.
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned much is the rate of advancement in treating the symptoms of Covid19. Yeah, they have come up with vaccine candidates quickly, and are already entering the clinical trial process. However, this will take at least months to complete, and some trials will fail.

However, they are also working on better ways to treat the symptoms of the disease, mainly to prevent or protect against the respiratory problems.

They've already made a lot of progress in this area, and they are able to try things quickly, and run with what works. I expect rapid and substantial progress in this area week by week.

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(03-16-2020 11:30 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  I don't believe them. All the credible voices are saying that a vaccine will take at least 18-24 months, if not longer.

It would have taken 18 months if they started from scratch, but they've been working on it for years. They got very lucky...




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There is no way I am letting myself vaccinated by an Israeli "wonder" vaccine.

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Quote: It would have taken 18 months if they started from scratch, but they've been working on it for years. They got very lucky..

Israel probably has been working on this virus for 10- 20 years.

(((They )))) aren’t lucky, because (((they))) probably wanted this pandemic in the first place and just wanted to figure out when to start it

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(03-16-2020 05:40 PM)TigOlBitties Wrote:  Well said, comrade. Daddy gubmint does know best.

$1.5 Trillion of Fed/taxpayer interest-laden debt was pumped into the bankster coffers to prop up the stock market, which went on to drop another 12%. Banksters bet on the decline and made money, on top of the $1.5 trillion they just got from taxpayers.

But yeah muh communism.

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(03-16-2020 11:02 PM)Athanasius Wrote:  I've been puzzled for a long time about when economic collapse comes from the mountains of debt, which the Fed has just added to with its "injection" moves. Amazing the pile of cards has been stacked so high. And people just keep wanting to add more with UBI, debt forgiveness, etc.

Of course, the debt will never be paid; it'll just be the Big Default. The question is which generation will get left holding the bag.

The debt is bogus, it is owned by a few dozen zillionaires. There is no bag to hold, you can just write a few zeroes off, the same way they wrote them on.

UBI gets recycled into the economy. most of it is consumed. Rents, beer, steaks, Doritos, kitchen cupboards and fridges, dentists, optometrists, car garages etc.

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(03-16-2020 06:41 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 06:04 PM)Roosh Wrote:  The virus is hereby known as the Chinese virus:


Powerful reframe by Trump. His re-election chances just improved tremendously. People's anger and loss will now be directed at China instead of him, and he can always point out how he did a travel ban against China and was called racist for it.

Gotta hand it to Trump, he can really take control of situations that seemingly look way beyond the point of salvaging.

EDIT: Looking at insane amount of liberal crying from this tweet means it was right on target.

Trump has fucked up, botched covid19, badly. You can't control a pandemic if you can't test on a massive scale. That's how China and Korea curbed their pandemic. Korea had less time to prepare, set up hundreds of safe testing stations and they've managed to keep a lid on the spread despite them being packed in dense cities like Seoul.

I'm not sure if it's plain incompetence, or if he's being set up to fail, or if the eugenicists are running the show in DC, the way they are in the UK with that ridiculous notion that if the people get infected, they no longer can get infected -problem solved!

He had 2 months to prepare, get tests in place. Buy/make ventilators, train crews. This all could have been in place by now, his moment to shine, he's reduced to BS like saying his preparedness grade is 10/10 on a press conference today.

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(03-16-2020 11:30 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  Israel says they’ll have a vaccine in a couple weeks, due to - using their own words - the “pure luck” of having happened to be already working on one before the spread started.

I'm sure it was *pure luck*. Knowing israel a bit, i can tell you very clearly that vaccination was always ready and virus didnt *escape* from wuhan lab.

They are just waiting the right time to release it.

it will cure people and make some people/companies INCREDIBLY rich.
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(03-17-2020 02:05 AM)911 Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 11:02 PM)Athanasius Wrote:  I've been puzzled for a long time about when economic collapse comes from the mountains of debt, which the Fed has just added to with its "injection" moves. Amazing the pile of cards has been stacked so high. And people just keep wanting to add more with UBI, debt forgiveness, etc.

Of course, the debt will never be paid; it'll just be the Big Default. The question is which generation will get left holding the bag.

The debt is bogus, it is owned by a few dozen zillionaires. There is no bag to hold, you can just write a few zeroes off, the same way they wrote them on.

UBI gets recycled into the economy. most of it is consumed. Rents, beer, steaks, Doritos, kitchen cupboards and fridges, dentists, optometrists, car garages etc.

A lot of people forget UBI was originally a “conservative” idea.

Streamlines and trims a lot of the state’s bureaucratic fat.

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They will have to roll out the UBI anyway if they close off everything. Keep it going a bit longer and large parts of the economy will be down. Unemployment will be up to depression levels - even way beyond depression levels. Wait until the foreclosures kick in.

And as mentioned before - the UBI will be of tied directly to bi-yearly vaccinations and obligatory testing, possibly travel restrictions since they don't want you to live on a Thai beach on your UBI dollars.

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In 2009 the H1N1 Swine Flu infected 49,000,000 Americans. hospitalized 265,000 Americans and killed 12,469 Americans. And there was no hysteria, no pandemonium. And President Obama waited 4 months after WHO declared it a pandemic before he declared a national emergency. Those are the facts. My opinion says that this is totally political in a effort to hurt the economy before the 2020 elections.


Probably telling it to the crier by posting on this site but there you have it.

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(03-17-2020 01:59 AM)911 Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 05:40 PM)TigOlBitties Wrote:  Well said, comrade. Daddy gubmint does know best.

$1.5 Trillion of Fed/taxpayer interest-laden debt was pumped into the bankster coffers to prop up the stock market, which went on to drop another 12%. Banksters bet on the decline and made money, on top of the $1.5 trillion they just got from taxpayers.

But yeah muh communism.

I am aware of the evil ZOG, bankers, Fed, etc. But I do not believe in UBI and the State control that comes with it. This does not mean I want no government. Things aren't so black and white.

Learn to take a joke, comrade.
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The Chinese have massive online shill armies to rapidly steer emerging 'public opinion outbreaks' before they can threaten the state. A few days ago guidelines issued by the government were allegedly leaked. The tactics used, if genuine, make for some very interesting reading. It could describe a lot that this forum has seen over the years from various subversives. Israeli and Media Matters shills will use the same methods.


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I mentioned this in another thread, but one of Trump’s primary failures as a leader is his belief in magical thinking - that what you say becomes reality, while what you refuse to say doesn’t. That isn’t how the world works and at no point in his Presidency has it actually helped with anything beyond getting beer-and-sportsball Boomers to cheer him on for being the “best President ever” despite not being able to explain why. Optimism has an important role in society and leadership in particular, but being unwilling to acknowledge problems until they’re so bad you have to is the sign of a poor leader and someone who cares more about his own short-term reputation than the long-term repercussions of what he’s doing. Same way he ran his businesses, borrowing obscene amounts of money and then needing a bailout when the hype didn’t translate into success (see his adventures in Atlantic City for a prime example of what I mean).

He insisted nothing was wrong until people started getting sick and dying, and now saying “we’ll be stronger than ever before!” is just giving what may well turn out to be false hope to people with low IQs and people who get their information from “trusted authorities” (but I repeat myself). In retrospect I’m actually a bit ashamed of myself for having gotten caught up in his 2016 rhetoric.

Fool me once, and whatnot. I’d much prefer to hear a sober, well-reasoned analysis of the situation than watch him keep putting bandaids on a rotting corpse while shouting “you’re gonna make it!”

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Vanity Fair reports that White House insiders speak of Trump being furious with Jared Kushner for his meddling and duff advice. Kushner could be significantly to blame for Trumps early missteps on the virus situation. Or is this a case of lefty Jew, Ben Sherman, sniping at Zio-Jew, Kushner?

“There’s No Boogeyman He Can Attack”: Angry at Kushner, Trump Awakens to the COVID-19 Danger

Quote:With the markets in free fall despite emergency action by the Fed over the weekend, Trump is waking up to the reality that’s been clear to everyone: Coronavirus poses a once-in-a-hundred-years threat to the country. “In the last 48 hours he has understood the magnitude of what’s going on,” a former West Wing official told me. As Trump processes the stakes facing the country—and his presidency—he’s also lashing out at advisers, whom he blames for the White House’s inept and flat-footed response. Sources say a principal target of his anger is Jared Kushner. “I have never heard so many people inside the White House openly discuss how pissed Trump is at Jared,” the former West Wing official said.

Sources told me Trump is regretting that Kushner swooped into the coronavirus response last week. Kushner, according to sources, encouraged Trump to treat the emergency as a P.R. problem when Fauci and others were calling for aggressive action. “This was Jared saying the world needs me to solve another problem,” a former White House official said. One source briefed on the internal conversations told me that Kushner advised Trump not to call a national emergency during his Oval Office address on March 11 because “it would tank the markets.” The markets cratered anyway, and Trump announced the national emergency on Friday. “They had to clean that up on Friday,” another former West Wing official said. Trump was also said to be angry that Kushner oversold Google’s coronavirus testing website when in fact the tech giant had a fledgling effort. Trump got slammed in the press for promoting the phantom Google product. “Jared told Trump that Google was doing an entire website that would be up in 72 hours and had 1,100 people working on it 24/7. That’s just a lie,” the source briefed on the internal conversations told me.

Reached for comment, a White House official said: “This is just another false story focused on rumors about palace intrigue instead of the actual aggressive measures President Trump has implemented to keep the American people safe and healthy.”
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A lot of people by this stage are "all in" on Trump, regardless of the evidence. Their analysis of his credibility at the 3.5 year mark is virtually identical to their analysis of his credibility at the .5 year mark in as much as there is no analysis because "he's going to come through, he just needs more time!"

A number of us here voiced serious concerns at the 6 month mark of his presidency that he was getting nowhere near the results he needed to in order to make a dent in the deep state.

But the magic of Trump is that he's simultaneously a genius 4D chess master god-emperor and also a poor old patriot captive to the dissent, misinformation and betrayals of those around him (whom he largely appointed).

What he is in reality is a snake-oil salesman. A grifter and a confidence man who has pulled perhaps the greatest con job in the history of the world.

edit: As per Rotekz's post, the Trump aficionados will now proceed to blame Jared and ignore the fact that Trump continually time after time puts his idiot son-in-law in a position to bring harm to hundreds of millions of Americans.

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Trump was the last hope of many. Disbelieving in him will bring people into the realization that they are fucked because there is no choice. Bill Still and another monetary reformer ran for office among the Libertarian party and even he lost because people there couldn't understand the difference between him or another actual globohomo-libertarian stooge. Still isn't even a real Libertarian and everyone at the top knows it.

Trump does things the way he does - with confidence, gut-feeling and reliance on some "experts". I am sure that he vetoed a few things and hindered the full globohomo train in many areas, but he is essentially a well-managed war-horse for the globalists. Someone like Obama is an obedient war-donkey while Hillary is more of a driver who knows a bit more, but one who is so viscious that she might endanger her masters with her behavior as well.

Blaming this c-virus action on Trump is misguided. He wasn't in on anything.

Ultimately the elite will use this to implement many measures which they were after for decades already. It does not even matter whether this thing is real, fake, over- or under-estimated. It's not behaving even remotely the same in most countries in the world.

The end result will be that the true ruling elite will have more laws in place to restrict your freedom, let you pay more, get rid of troublemakers much faster and more efficiently.

Vitamin C Megadosing: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74755.html
03-17-2020 07:36 AM
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