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(03-16-2020 10:28 PM)EvanWilson Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 09:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Thrad on the ventilator situation:


I took a look at ventilator machines a few days ago. Pre looking at them I thought that 'you just hook the person up and intublate them' and everything was all set; so of like putting an oxygen mask on them.

I was wrong.
There is a whole process and many things can go wrong or have problems with setting a ventilator up.

While more machines will help, there is a secondary problem in that there may simply not be enough people trained in the procedure on how to intubate and ventilate someone, plus the follow on monitoring that will be needed since the patient will be unable to do anything while intubated since they will be unconscious.

I did find a chart (can't find it at the moment) that had a summary of the process of putting a person on a ventilator. the chart showed the process as a four person process; three people in the room and an assistant that stays outside of the room while the process is going on.

After that the person will need constant monitoring. One of my friends worked (he is now retired as of a few years ago) as a nurse in the ICU. He told me that his shift would be him assigned to monitor, at most, only two patients.

So while it should be possible to 'ramp up' production of ventilators, there is the add on problem of training up enough staff to be able to use them and monitor the patients that will be on them. One of the articles mentioned increasing staff by relaxing the training requirements so as to get as many people as possible for working with ventilators.

Mechanical Ventilation Explained Clearly - Ventilator Settings & Modes:
https://www.medcram.com/courses/mechanic...ed-clearly

Ventilator Maker: We Can Ramp Up Production Five-Fold:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/baldwin/202...943c15e9a5

This post is pretty accurate.

There is no way to properly manage a crashing ventilated patient without 1 to 1 care. Sometimes you need 2 to 1 or in code situations, 3-4 people. Rapid intubation can be done with 3 people but then you need a runner to help set up the infusions. The patient has to be monitored very closely for with respect to sedation, blood pressure/heart rate, and then there's the respiratory issue and the ventilator. A lot of things can go wrong with everything aside from the ventilator but respiratory status can deteriorate quickly even on a ventilator. For example, in ARDS, there's a lot of pressure within the lungs and if you over ventilate, they blow. You have to find a balance of the right level of ventilatory pressure with the right level of sedation. Everything needs to be checked and monitored every 30 min or hourly if the patient is doing ok.

It's an extremely difficult balancing act if the patient is unstable. More vents is not the solution.
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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III
(03-16-2020 08:58 PM)Cuchulainn2016 Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 08:19 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 08:09 PM)Cuchulainn2016 Wrote:  There aren't going to be any drugs from China for America, or for any other country for a while now.

It's estimated 97 percent of all antibiotics and 80 percent of the active pharmaceutical ingredients needed to produce drugs in the United States come from China. Good luck with that!

Meanwhile, from outside the US media bubble:

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/chi...r-BB118EJJ

As well as medical equipment:

Quote:The Chinese government is ready to do its part as a sign of deep thanks to Italy for helping the country in times of need.

Beijing is willing to supply Italy with one thousand lung ventilators, in addition to two million masks, 100 thousand of which are high-tech, 20 thousand protective suits and 50 thousand swabs for coronavirus tests.

And Spain:

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/...n-aid.html

I have zero idea what on earth Trump has ever done to inspire such blind, obsessive faith in the man.

No offence, but you are missing my point.

Right now, some countries might be able to "help" other countries with medical supplies, but do you think it will be like that in 1-2 months, when every country looks like Italy?

The vast majority of people know this came from China, and in a couple of years when China says "Remember when we gave you those ventilators? We want an airbase now!", those same people will say "Take your disgusting eating practices and loose standards in biological research facilities and fuck off back to the middle kingdom!"

Another way of looking at it, is that most people remember when Europe had no borders, you know, last week. Europe isn't going to be free of borders for a long time.

People are getting slapped in the face with the consequences of no borders, unchecked immigration and no strategic reserves or home based manufacturing actually means.

Western (mostly white) people are very accommodating normally, but kill off their grandparents and then try ransoming medical supplies to the rest of the family, and things have a chance of getting real fast.

Of course, it might all blow over and be nothing, but then you will still see a call for countries to produce their own goods for their own people.

EDIT - Im not being political here (see above), but its hard to fathom that people are still acting as if today (no matter what country you are in) is as bad as it gets, and it wont get as bad as Italy for example.

Case in point, I have a holiday home out in the country, nice and secluded. I have, after much shouting and swearing, managed to convince my parents (80+) to get their medication sorted for the next 2 months. They also now have a supply of 2 months food.

But can I get them to go to the house where they will be isolated and safe. No, they believe the government (UK) will help them and is tailoring its response to save people, not financial institutions, or their own government positions. This is despite the UK governments complete U-turn on policy today.

They actually said to me that they don't want to be alone (they mean me/family) during this. They cant comprehend that they will have to be alone or they run the significant risk of dying.

My father even says he has to go to a meeting tomorrow night. I asked him whether the meeting is more important than his life, or my mothers life?

Even when I told them that they can stay at home here, or move out to the country, but either way, I wont be coming to see them, as I will be a potential carrier that could infect them and maybe kill them.

I just don't know what to do with them.

Sorry, for the rant, just frustrated!

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When China tells the US and Europe there's nothing they can do to produce their own pharmaceuticals, it reminds me of Obama saying we can't drill our way out of importing almost all our oil, and the manufacturing jobs in the US are gone forever.

I think the US and Europe will find a way to resolve this shortage tuit de suite. It would be funny if the Chinese history includes both the Pharmaceutical Wars and the Opium wars.
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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III
A wise man (Saint Ronnie) once said the worse words you want to hear are "we are from the government and are here to help".

Anyone who believes that government can help them is a fool.
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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III
Population control and a reason to begin State control all wrapped into one crisis.

[Edit] Referring to the virus being man made
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(03-16-2020 10:25 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 09:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Thrad on the ventilator situation:


Even if they do make a bunch of ventilators and have rooms to put the patients, it's still not feasible. It takes about a year to train a regular nurse to deal with the ventilator, the lines and the infusions that come with mechanically ventilating a patient. I suppose you could cut that down to half that time but it'd be a crash course that wouldn't be possible in high stress situations.

Usually, care is 1:1 for mechanically ventilated patients and if you really want to push it (2 stable vents for one nurse) but these aren't stable patients so it really wouldn't be possible.

That's not to mention the shortage of PPE. Has anyone even addressed this issue?

I could learn to supervise patients on respirators in weeks, and start helping under experienced people. I would be experienced in three months, enough to train others.

The current slow training process is typical credentialism, with lots of time for courses on diversity and transgenderism. Capable people in an emergency can rise to the occasion quickly.

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(03-16-2020 11:13 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 10:25 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 09:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Thrad on the ventilator situation:


Even if they do make a bunch of ventilators and have rooms to put the patients, it's still not feasible. It takes about a year to train a regular nurse to deal with the ventilator, the lines and the infusions that come with mechanically ventilating a patient. I suppose you could cut that down to half that time but it'd be a crash course that wouldn't be possible in high stress situations.

Usually, care is 1:1 for mechanically ventilated patients and if you really want to push it (2 stable vents for one nurse) but these aren't stable patients so it really wouldn't be possible.

That's not to mention the shortage of PPE. Has anyone even addressed this issue?

I could learn to supervise patients on respirators in weeks, and start helping under experienced people. I would be experienced in three months, enough to train others.

The current slow training process is typical credentialism, with lots of time for courses on diversity and transgenderism. Capable people in an emergency can rise to the occasion quickly.

Are you in the field?
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First hand account of CV and what it feels like:

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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III
(03-16-2020 11:18 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 11:13 PM)RoastBeefCurtains4Me Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 10:25 PM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 09:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Thrad on the ventilator situation:


Even if they do make a bunch of ventilators and have rooms to put the patients, it's still not feasible. It takes about a year to train a regular nurse to deal with the ventilator, the lines and the infusions that come with mechanically ventilating a patient. I suppose you could cut that down to half that time but it'd be a crash course that wouldn't be possible in high stress situations.

Usually, care is 1:1 for mechanically ventilated patients and if you really want to push it (2 stable vents for one nurse) but these aren't stable patients so it really wouldn't be possible.

That's not to mention the shortage of PPE. Has anyone even addressed this issue?

I could learn to supervise patients on respirators in weeks, and start helping under experienced people. I would be experienced in three months, enough to train others.

The current slow training process is typical credentialism, with lots of time for courses on diversity and transgenderism. Capable people in an emergency can rise to the occasion quickly.

Are you in the field?

I am a brainiac engineer. I can certainly become one of the people who is trained to monitor and call the more experienced people if something happens.

It's like war. In peacetime, it takes X years to climb each rank. In wartime, brilliantly effective people receive battlefield commissions quickly, which are well deserved.

There's no way the peacetime rate of ventilator monitor personnel training is currently optimized. It's plainly true.

I would be above average in being able to advance quickly. Would I make mistakes? Yes. Would I save lives? I could save a lot. The current system is designed to accept as many deaths as necessary to ensure a bureaucratic standard of perfection is maintained. If the goal was to save as many lives as possible, a lot of available people could help a lot.

If you say it's not possible to improve on the current peacetime approach to training, I don't believe you.

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(03-16-2020 07:01 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 06:40 PM)Sword and Board Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 06:20 PM)dicknixon72 Wrote:  I like apparently the Chinese deserve no culpability for anything in this according to a lot of folks here.

I find it interesting how many users/accounts downplay, misdirect and defend Zionism/Israel yet flood the forums in a call to arms about the 'Chinese world threat' or 'Russian threat' etc

Will be seeing more of this to come.

We're all well aware of ZOG on this forum.

You got a lot of FED styled posts on (((them))), quite glowing...

Hahah yeah. I was particularly surprised by the amount of caping going on here for Harvey Weinstein like he was some kind of martyr or hero. But I guess some thought his heavy sentence really hurts mens' rights I guess. Harvey was the tribally anointed Jabba the Hutt of the Hollywood swamp, not Mr. All-American Chad. I really think you guys can breathe a little bit easier on this front than you're thinking.

Back to thread topic. Godspeed to everyone that is being impacted by this virus healthwise, economically, etc.
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By the way, the same is true about pharmaceutical production. If pro-China, anti-American people are in charge of the process, it won't even be possible to resume production in the US. That time has passed. It's not possible anymore.

If people like the ones who created the US pharmaceutical industry the first time are given the freedom to do it again , they can get assembly lines up and running as fast as they did 60 years ago.

All that's needed is the willingness to allow it to happen.

You could say, it's too late. We've lost our spirit. Sadly, you could be right. However, with a can do spirit, I'm right about what's possible. This pandemic may wake people up and make them go for everything they can get.

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RoastBeef, agree about the nurse training and your take on that. It's like fighter pilots in WW2, they used to take 9 months to a year of training pre-war, but during the war they sent them off to the frontline after one week and less than 10 hours of flight time. Some failed, but most learned on the job. It's FAR more complicated to fly a Spitfire or Messerschmidt in combat than to operate a respirator. A trainee nurse can get a month intensive course, then tail a competent crew for a week or two then fly on their own.

There is no shortage of oxygen either, that is an even sillier notion. A lot of oxygen is used for industrial use, that production can be diverted to hospitals. Production of steel, rubber, textile is going to crash anyway, there's your spare oxygen. There are 6 million scuba divers in the world, do you think they will get their oxygen ahead of hospitals? it is not like there is going to be a lot of demand for scuba diving tanks in the months to come anyway...

The bottleneck with respirators is respirators. You can't ramp up production that fast. It's like masks, but much worse.

BTW China just donated 1,000 respirators and 50,000 testing kits to Italy, who has been very hard hit by "the Chinese coronavirus", which initially started in the Puget Sound area in early 2019 (14,000 deaths falsely attributed to vaping).






Been too busy to post, a couple of quick notes:

-The Costco crowd is nuts, even in the best of times, it caters to suburban hoarders. Ironically, my buddy who lives in the burbs and didn't go to work today drove to the downtown Costco to fill up his truck with $1,000 worth of groceries said it was very well stocked compared to his local Costco...

Smaller and independent markets in cities have everything, including TP. They've withstood the first wave, no disruptions in the supply chain, just a delay in reaprovision. Shops run out of some items by early eve, then get replenished the next morning. if you go in before the afternoon, you can find everything.

I went in today and bought 1 dozen TP rolls. Will buy the next dozen when it goes on sale. We have 250 billion trees in Canada, hydroelectricity up the wazoo, and 500 years' worth of oil. We are never, ever going to run out of toilet freakin paper, eh. Neither will the US, there are more than enough trees and no shortage of oil either.

I've got about a month's worth of food and will slowly upgrade to two.

Bottom line, don't freak out about food. Where do you think all the food that the restaurants usually buy will end up in the coming month, when their business slows to a crawl? That channel will just shift to grocery and warehouse stores. People waste less food at home than restaurants. There will be an excess of food next month, except for some exotic stuff shipped from other continents.

Stuff that you should get now is thermometers (made in China), and bulk vitamin C.

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There are undoubtedly thousands of foreign trained nurses all over Canada that are working at fast food places because their credentials aren’t recognized here.

I can’t stand the “oh gee, it’s hard, let’s not even try” mentality.

This is a war.

If China and Hong Kong can build hospitals in days, train nurses in days and ventilate thousands of patients, we sure as hell can do it here.

So what if it’s not easy. Do it.
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(03-16-2020 08:19 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  I have zero idea what on earth Trump has ever done to inspire such blind, obsessive faith in the man.

Well, I don't think that "blind, obsessive faith" is appropriate, but "Trump isn't doing well but he's doing better than the alternatives would have" is holding up pretty well as a take.
Most of the initial reports about how badly he fucked up: (He disbanded the pandemic team! He cut funding to this or that!) have been retracted, and it's coming out that he was doing a better job than we first thought.

For instance, here's none other than Nassem Taleb (Who hates EVERYBODY!) saying that Trump's team told the eggheads to fuck off and imposed a travel ban from China when the "models" were saying it was fine.


Was he slow to react to the scale of the threat? Yes.
Did he fuck up hard with the re-entry of citizens into the US? Yes.
Was he too focused on the stock market? Yes.

But it would've been a LOT worse with anybody else in the field. Remember, every other candidate thinks that travel bans are racist.
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I'm going to make a bold prediction here: by May, China will ban travelers from the US for fears of the coronavirus.

Hopefully by then there will be tests available in the US.

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All restaurants in Ukraine are now closed. I should have wire transferred my money back to the US yesterday because today the subway is closed and people aren't going to be able to get to work.

Ukraine isn't even that heavily affected by this thing and panic is already setting in. At least Spring is coming.

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(03-16-2020 09:04 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 08:35 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  Having said all that, Trump does exaggerate in the New York style. Everything is "tremendous," "huge," "great," and "incredible." Yet, most people prefer some degree of exaggeration versus -- for example -- President Obama's "let me be clear," which was typically a precursor to lies and deceit.

Except Trump isn't exaggerating. He lies and deceives, and later facts prove he is lying and deceiving, so you get a progression of "No injuries, some injuries, many injuries" over a series of weeks, or his change of tone on this virus. Or Assad gasses his own people; "We've destroyed the commander of ISIS" a few months after "finally defeating ISIS"; or American Workers first / legal immigration in the highest numbers yet; or Communism, not Sanctions and the deliberate withholding of government money in Jewish banks in England, destroyed Venezuela.

I don't get it. The cognitive dissonance is beyond me. It really seems like Burgers are bred to be conned, which explains why their Christian Leaders consistently fold to Jewish Power, and their religious laws, rather than Christ's, dominate. I can see why 'The Music Man' is so beloved over there: it's like American's don't realise the 'hero' is the villain.

My problem after a few years of wondering about this is bothering to question it aloud anymore. *Shrug*.

Probably the main thing people perceive are results, or the fact that he doesn't lie much more often than he does lie.

It's more blatant/obvious the dishonesty in Australian/Kiwi culture from what I can tell, which depending on the person can be almost everything said being completely untrue(they call it "taking the piss"- done so often it seeps untruthfulness into everything)
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personally, this virus is very bad for me and my family.
The amount of social media crazyness is out of this world.
I was suppose to work in alaska for the season with cruise ships coming in, but canadians closed to port, bam = work gone
All cruise ships have stopped operations, bam = another work gone.
my brother's cafe which operates in summer with primarily domestic tourists, bam = almost gone(still waiting how turkey will react to the virus).

this is stupid. And i heard it will last till december or so, makes it even more stupid.

someone is playing some heavy cards behind the curtain.
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(03-17-2020 02:43 AM)myrica Wrote:  personally, this virus is very bad for me and my family.
The amount of social media crazyness is out of this world.
I was suppose to work in alaska for the season with cruise ships coming in, but canadians closed to port, bam = work gone
All cruise ships have stopped operations, bam = another work gone.
my brother's cafe which operates in summer with primarily domestic tourists, bam = almost gone(still waiting how turkey will react to the virus).

this is stupid. And i heard it will last till december or so, makes it even more stupid.

someone is playing some heavy cards behind the curtain.

I'm starting to think the same which is why I'm patiently waiting for Italy's numbers. Yes, they had 2k deaths but that's nothing. Italy had 647.000 deaths in the last year. That's 1772 death per day. Every single day.

If italy tops out at 300-400 deaths per day and then things go back to normal, then this corona has been a big international sham.

Case in point: Corona is clearly rampant in Egypt but there are no reports of massive deaths or disorder there (excluding the disorder they are already living in)
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^^^^ guys we have a skeptic thread...


Seems like not a good time to be a prime minister!


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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III
(03-17-2020 02:38 AM)Barron Wrote:  All restaurants in Ukraine are now closed. I should have wire transferred my money back to the US yesterday because today the subway is closed and people aren't going to be able to get to work.

Ukraine isn't even that heavily affected by this thing and panic is already setting in. At least Spring is coming.



Its a month of lockdown all over Europe. Air, rail, and car transport is shutdown across the whole continent.

Like you said, at least spring is coming and with it sunshine and green grass. Might be a good time for a BBQ soon.

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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III
(03-17-2020 04:16 AM)Blake2 Wrote:  
(03-17-2020 02:38 AM)Barron Wrote:  All restaurants in Ukraine are now closed. I should have wire transferred my money back to the US yesterday because today the subway is closed and people aren't going to be able to get to work.

Ukraine isn't even that heavily affected by this thing and panic is already setting in. At least Spring is coming.



Its a month of lockdown all over Europe. Air, rail, and car transport is shutdown across the whole continent.

Like you said, at least spring is coming and with it sunshine and green grass. Might be a good time for a BBQ soon.

Here in Albania curfew is on from 6pm to 6am
It s like war situation , people so far being very disciplined.
I am very confident early lockdowns so far is proving to be good.
The west in particular (USA Canada and West Europe) will suffer heavy losses while the rest of "European" countries will be more or less fine thanks to early lockdowns
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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy0tKwYVBRU

Confirmation by a Belgian doctor about the age brackets affected by the coronavirus

On national TV

His words: majority of the admitted at the ICU are below 50. Many of them have a clean medical record. There even are quite a few 30 ers with no medical history in the ICU

He also states that the disease has a very clear pattern

Day 1-7 patient develops flu like symptoms
Day 8-9 apparant recovery.. Patient is feeling well
Day 10 patient develops a dry cough and is short of breath
Day 11 patient visits hospital, usually without the ambulance being needed. still not feeling too bad. Upon further examination his oxygen level turns out to be dangerously low. CT scans show inflammation in the lungs
Day 12 patient's status rapidly deteriorates.
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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III
(03-16-2020 11:28 PM)mack10 Wrote:  First hand account of CV and what it feels like:


Not to turn this into a skeptics thread but this guy seems like he isn't exactly the healthiest.

He also has a previously posting history of asking for financial help.



Not embedding this one - but this isn't exactly the body of a healthy individual.
https://twitter.com/jwdaddy80/status/123...0332292096
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(03-16-2020 09:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Thrad on the ventilator situation:


A reply to this thread linked an NPR article from 2016 where they visited a secret government emergency supplies warehouse. They were stockpiling properly maintained ventilators together with other medical supplies.
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