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(03-16-2020 06:55 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Go to Asian grocery stores.

I went to one today. Noticeably lower quantities were available to spare on shelves, but almost everything except instant noodles was there if you wanted it.

Bingo, been getting all my fresh non-staple stuff at local Asian grocers

They source a lot from independent small local farmers too

People are avoiding them currently.

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(03-16-2020 06:40 PM)Sword and Board Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 06:20 PM)dicknixon72 Wrote:  I like apparently the Chinese deserve no culpability for anything in this according to a lot of folks here.

I find it interesting how many users/accounts downplay, misdirect and defend Zionism/Israel yet flood the forums in a call to arms about the 'Chinese world threat' or 'Russian threat' etc

Will be seeing more of this to come.

We're all well aware of ZOG on this forum.

You got a lot of FED styled posts on (((them))), quite glowing...

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(03-16-2020 06:16 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  Does anyone else think it's fishy how government officials and media keep talking about the stability of the supply chain?

I'm hearing locally here that even the warehouses of distributors are starting to get tapped out.
Local stores can't make any requests, managers are instructed that what they get shipped is what they get.

Although that could just be the "Just in time" logistics model strained with the brunt of demand.
All reports from manufacturers point to production lines ramped up at full capacity. So I've heard.

It is the Just in Time model, but it's more than manufacturing (which is not at full capacity out of China). Containers and chassis - which everyone rents - are not where they are supposed to be. There are a great many in China which have not been loaded and shipped to various locations around the world, unloaded and used again. Intermodal containers (which go straight from ship to trucks) that made deliveries are often unable to return them because terminals are closed. Then they (truckers, freight forwarders) get racked with daily fees so everyone is fighting over who will pay. This is just one aspect of the shit show going on right now. I just know dry goods; I have heard that cold storage containers are going through the roof.
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So what do you think the severity and timing of consumer impacts will be?
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(03-16-2020 07:47 AM)HermeticAlly Wrote:  I just don't get the US-made-the-virus conspiracy theory.

Seems obvious to me that China is pushing that theory because the truth is:

(03-16-2020 07:47 AM)HermeticAlly Wrote:  It's much more plausible that the virus is a Chinese bioweapon that escaped the lab.

If China says nothing, then the (incredibly plausible, and backed by a growing pile of evidence) Chinese bioweapon theory is the only one out there. But if China blames the US, then (to some people at least) there are two equally believable theories.
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(03-16-2020 06:41 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 06:04 PM)Roosh Wrote:  The virus is hereby known as the Chinese virus:


Powerful reframe by Trump. His re-election chances just improved tremendously. People's anger and loss will now be directed at China instead of him, and he can always point out how he did a travel ban against China and was called racist for it.

How does antagonizing an already tense situation with the Chinese, whom are already threatening to cut off the US Drug supply - let alone all the rest of their manufacturing - help anything, particularly when it would take a very long time to get US drug manufacturing up to speed to meet demand, even if those workers were healthy?
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(03-16-2020 07:53 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 06:41 PM)Samseau Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 06:04 PM)Roosh Wrote:  The virus is hereby known as the Chinese virus:


Powerful reframe by Trump. His re-election chances just improved tremendously. People's anger and loss will now be directed at China instead of him, and he can always point out how he did a travel ban against China and was called racist for it.

How does antagonizing an already tense situation with the Chinese, whom are already threatening to cut off the US Drug supply - let alone all the rest of their manufacturing - help anything, particularly when it would take a very long time to get US drug manufacturing up to speed to meet demand, even if those workers were healthy?

There aren't going to be any drugs from China for America, or for any other country for a while now.

There aren't going to be drugs for America from any other country apart from China either.

And there isn't going to be drugs from America to help any country, China or otherwise for a while.

Look at Italy, are they going to be donating any medical supplies to any other country any time soon.

Last week Germany started seizing medical supplies being sent out of Germany to the countries that had bought those supplies.

That isn't changing, it will just get worse. Every country is now out for itself.

Therefore there is no downside to Trumps statement, and we all know its from China anyway. When the usual suspects say its "racist" and the Chinese are our friends who should be making everything for us, most people will want their own countries to produce their own goods for their own consumption in the future.
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-Brazil : around 1400 prisoners escape , several guards have been taken in hostage.
They were scared by a rumor of propagation of the virus and didn't want to submit to new rules inside the prison
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(03-16-2020 07:42 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  So what do you think the severity and timing of consumer impacts will be?

I don't know. I am Gen X, and have been doing this (distribution of consumer products, importing to US and exporting to other countries) my entire adult life yet can't make a prediction I'd bet the farm on.

I'm sure groceries will be fine, but we will give up international silly luxuries that we don't need in the first place. I would guess that companies shipping exotic fruits or little jars of overpriced anchovies, salts etc will go out of business or change their business model.

I think indie retailers will go out of business. The ones that weathered Amazon are the ones that created an experience in their stores so people wanted to congregate there. Example would be toy stores who host parties, puzzle competitions etc. Their business increased after Toys R Us went bankrupt. They are already cancelling their orders from Jan-Feb trade show season, or requesting to halt them.

I think China is going to kick the shit out of the US regarding the tariff war with Trump. I suspect the retail Back to School season will be when people really see what a mess we are in... those products typically get produced right after CNY and should be on boats now. And China will squeeze us hard because they can (and should). I suspect increases in prices, and that we will have to drop our fight against the "Postal Illuminati" (the UN designed plan that treats China as an emerging market so they can ship an envelope here for a buck.) trump put forth plan to end it but it will come back.

I grapple with this every day. Again I am Gen X and I don't get a paycheck, I am self employed. I decided to go on my own 2 years ago and stacked a lot of money into retirement funds because I distrust our future government and the Trump tax cuts made it good move. (And I got sick of being a wage slave; I can thank this forum for giving me the courage, even though I don't post much.) I've lost 30% this last week and I don't know what is coming. Obviously I am ramping up online, which I strategically kept at 20% of the business in order to keep SRPs under control.

Now I do know that there is a massive amount of government funding for pre-K these days - billions. So much that majors like Staples are trying to get it. So I am shifting there as best I can.

But again, I am just spitballing here. I did not expect these events. I really don't know for sure. And yes, I am worried.
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(03-16-2020 08:09 PM)Cuchulainn2016 Wrote:  There aren't going to be any drugs from China for America, or for any other country for a while now.

It's estimated 97 percent of all antibiotics and 80 percent of the active pharmaceutical ingredients needed to produce drugs in the United States come from China. Good luck with that!

Meanwhile, from outside the US media bubble:

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/chi...r-BB118EJJ

As well as medical equipment:

Quote:The Chinese government is ready to do its part as a sign of deep thanks to Italy for helping the country in times of need.

Beijing is willing to supply Italy with one thousand lung ventilators, in addition to two million masks, 100 thousand of which are high-tech, 20 thousand protective suits and 50 thousand swabs for coronavirus tests.

And Spain:

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/...n-aid.html

I have zero idea what on earth Trump has ever done to inspire such blind, obsessive faith in the man.
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That isn't good news. It means we're fucked in the long term because we're entirely dependent on a regime that are increasingly become aggressive bullies.
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Indeed, I do not think people in the US really understand our reliance on China. We've been sold out to them for decades, and soon they will show us no mercy. A bright side would be if they stop shipping us fentanyl.
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(03-16-2020 08:19 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  I have zero idea what on earth Trump has ever done to inspire such blind, obsessive faith in the man.

It is not blind, but measured, faith. People are willing to give him a chance. Voters see him as a straight shooter, at least compared to the vast majority of his predecessors. He tells it like it is. If it is a China Virus, then he calls it a China virus.

After many decades of politicians talking out of both sides of their mouths, voters appreciate the effort at candor. For example, that style of honesty regarding China is quite different than the great lie that "Islam is a religion of peace."

If the U.S. must pivot away from China (perhaps not in all ways, but in many ways), then the American people must know the truth about China. Just tell the truth about China and let the chips fall where they may. That is quite different than the attitude of globalists towards China. Just look at Mike "China is not a dictatorship" Bloomberg. I am not sure what is so hard to understand about that.

Having said all that, Trump does exaggerate in the New York style. Everything is "tremendous," "huge," "great," and "incredible." Yet, most people prefer some degree of exaggeration versus -- for example -- President Obama's "let me be clear," which was typically a precursor to lies and deceit.
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This is not a politics thread. To discuss that, go here: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74785.html

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(03-16-2020 08:19 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 08:09 PM)Cuchulainn2016 Wrote:  There aren't going to be any drugs from China for America, or for any other country for a while now.

It's estimated 97 percent of all antibiotics and 80 percent of the active pharmaceutical ingredients needed to produce drugs in the United States come from China. Good luck with that!

Meanwhile, from outside the US media bubble:

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/chi...r-BB118EJJ

As well as medical equipment:

Quote:The Chinese government is ready to do its part as a sign of deep thanks to Italy for helping the country in times of need.

Beijing is willing to supply Italy with one thousand lung ventilators, in addition to two million masks, 100 thousand of which are high-tech, 20 thousand protective suits and 50 thousand swabs for coronavirus tests.

And Spain:

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/...n-aid.html

I have zero idea what on earth Trump has ever done to inspire such blind, obsessive faith in the man.

No offence, but you are missing my point.

Right now, some countries might be able to "help" other countries with medical supplies, but do you think it will be like that in 1-2 months, when every country looks like Italy?

The vast majority of people know this came from China, and in a couple of years when China says "Remember when we gave you those ventilators? We want an airbase now!", those same people will say "Take your disgusting eating practices and loose standards in biological research facilities and fuck off back to the middle kingdom!"

Another way of looking at it, is that most people remember when Europe had no borders, you know, last week. Europe isn't going to be free of borders for a long time.

People are getting slapped in the face with the consequences of no borders, unchecked immigration and no strategic reserves or home based manufacturing actually means.

Western (mostly white) people are very accommodating normally, but kill off their grandparents and then try ransoming medical supplies to the rest of the family, and things have a chance of getting real fast.

Of course, it might all blow over and be nothing, but then you will still see a call for countries to produce their own goods for their own people.

EDIT - Im not being political here (see above), but its hard to fathom that people are still acting as if today (no matter what country you are in) is as bad as it gets, and it wont get as bad as Italy for example.

Case in point, I have a holiday home out in the country, nice and secluded. I have, after much shouting and swearing, managed to convince my parents (80+) to get their medication sorted for the next 2 months. They also now have a supply of 2 months food.

But can I get them to go to the house where they will be isolated and safe. No, they believe the government (UK) will help them and is tailoring its response to save people, not financial institutions, or their own government positions. This is despite the UK governments complete U-turn on policy today.

They actually said to me that they don't want to be alone (they mean me/family) during this. They cant comprehend that they will have to be alone or they run the significant risk of dying.

My father even says he has to go to a meeting tomorrow night. I asked him whether the meeting is more important than his life, or my mothers life?

Even when I told them that they can stay at home here, or move out to the country, but either way, I wont be coming to see them, as I will be a potential carrier that could infect them and maybe kill them.

I just don't know what to do with them.

Sorry, for the rant, just frustrated!
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(03-16-2020 08:35 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  Having said all that, Trump does exaggerate in the New York style. Everything is "tremendous," "huge," "great," and "incredible." Yet, most people prefer some degree of exaggeration versus -- for example -- President Obama's "let me be clear," which was typically a precursor to lies and deceit.

Except Trump isn't exaggerating. He lies and deceives, and later facts prove he is lying and deceiving, so you get a progression of "No injuries, some injuries, many injuries" over a series of weeks, or his change of tone on this virus. Or Assad gasses his own people; "We've destroyed the commander of ISIS" a few months after "finally defeating ISIS"; or American Workers first / legal immigration in the highest numbers yet; or Communism, not Sanctions and the deliberate withholding of government money in Jewish banks in England, destroyed Venezuela.

I don't get it. The cognitive dissonance is beyond me. It really seems like Burgers are bred to be conned, which explains why their Christian Leaders consistently fold to Jewish Power, and their religious laws, rather than Christ's, dominate. I can see why 'The Music Man' is so beloved over there: it's like American's don't realise the 'hero' is the villain.

My problem after a few years of wondering about this is bothering to question it aloud anymore. *Shrug*.
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I think it boils down to “our bullshitter” vs. “their bullshitters”

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Thrad on the ventilator situation:


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Edit. These guys are in bed with China. Silicon Valley is untrustworthy.

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(03-16-2020 09:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Thrad on the ventilator situation:


Even if they do make a bunch of ventilators and have rooms to put the patients, it's still not feasible. It takes about a year to train a regular nurse to deal with the ventilator, the lines and the infusions that come with mechanically ventilating a patient. I suppose you could cut that down to half that time but it'd be a crash course that wouldn't be possible in high stress situations.

Usually, care is 1:1 for mechanically ventilated patients and if you really want to push it (2 stable vents for one nurse) but these aren't stable patients so it really wouldn't be possible.

That's not to mention the shortage of PPE. Has anyone even addressed this issue?
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(03-16-2020 09:52 PM)Roosh Wrote:  Thrad on the ventilator situation:


I took a look at ventilator machines a few days ago. Pre looking at them I thought that 'you just hook the person up and intublate them' and everything was all set; so of like putting an oxygen mask on them.

I was wrong.
There is a whole process and many things can go wrong or have problems with setting a ventilator up.

While more machines will help, there is a secondary problem in that there may simply not be enough people trained in the procedure on how to intubate and ventilate someone, plus the follow on monitoring that will be needed since the patient will be unable to do anything while intubated since they will be unconscious.

I did find a chart (can't find it at the moment) that had a summary of the process of putting a person on a ventilator. the chart showed the process as a four person process; three people in the room and an assistant that stays outside of the room while the process is going on.

After that the person will need constant monitoring. One of my friends worked (he is now retired as of a few years ago) as a nurse in the ICU. He told me that his shift would be him assigned to monitor, at most, only two patients.

So while it should be possible to 'ramp up' production of ventilators, there is the add on problem of training up enough staff to be able to use them and monitor the patients that will be on them. One of the articles mentioned increasing staff by relaxing the training requirements so as to get as many people as possible for working with ventilators.

Mechanical Ventilation Explained Clearly - Ventilator Settings & Modes:
https://www.medcram.com/courses/mechanic...ed-clearly

Ventilator Maker: We Can Ramp Up Production Five-Fold:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/baldwin/202...943c15e9a5
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(03-16-2020 08:58 PM)Cuchulainn2016 Wrote:  I just don't know what to do with them.

Sorry, for the rant, just frustrated!

Equally frustrated here. After two solid weeks of drumming just how dangerous this is to my 70's w/underlying conditions parents, I thought they were serious about it. They agreed to stop family dinner night and have stocked up on food.

Today I called to check up on them and listened to my dad tell me how he went to 4 different stores today. Sure, one was a lumber yard cause he plans to stay busy working around the house, but the other 3 were for nonsense.

"I didn't see anyone wearing masks" and "there were plenty of gray haired guys walking around at the lumber yard" were the most memorable parts of the conversation.

I told him people over 60 aren't even being treated in Italy, which I'm not even sure is true, and that took the wind out of his sails a bit. I offered to do any shopping they might need but it's plain as day he's going to take trips to the stores.

I'm starting to think all of the constant doom spreading is doing more harm than good, and I've done all I can do. It's a real defeated feeling.

Meanwhile, I'm going to work everyday, with near constant contact with people from all walks of life.

The gravity of it all has really become surreal.
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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III
(03-16-2020 10:28 PM)Lace em up Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 08:58 PM)Cuchulainn2016 Wrote:  I just don't know what to do with them.

Sorry, for the rant, just frustrated!

Equally frustrated here. After two solid weeks of drumming just how dangerous this is to my 70's w/underlying conditions parents, I thought they were serious about it. They agreed to stop family dinner night and have stocked up on food.

Today I called to check up on them and listened to my dad tell me how he went to 4 different stores today. Sure, one was a lumber yard cause he plans to stay busy working around the house, but the other 3 were for nonsense.

"I didn't see anyone wearing masks" and "there were plenty of gray haired guys walking around at the lumber yard" were the most memorable parts of the conversation.

I told him people over 60 aren't even being treated in Italy, which I'm not even sure is true, and that took the wind out of his sails a bit. I offered to do any shopping they might need but it's plain as day he's going to take trips to the stores.

I'm starting to think all of the constant doom spreading is doing more harm than good, and I've done all I can do. It's a real defeated feeling.

Meanwhile, I'm going to work everyday, with near constant contact with people from all walks of life.

The gravity of it all has really become surreal.

Last week I went to a local shop with my girl.

The saleswoman came out, blew her nose into a, well used hankerchief, put it back into her pocket, and then proceeded to offer me her hand to shake.

My girl and I both looked at each other and backed out of the shop, used hand sanitiser, got into my car and drove off.

It probably looked comical to anyone else, but it really brought home to both of us how easily any infection can be spread.

Rather than looking at images of other countries online or numbers, sometimes you just need a shock to the system to get you to realise the real situation you are in.
03-16-2020 10:39 PM
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