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New York is in trouble:



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(03-25-2020 01:49 PM)Roosh Wrote:  New York is in trouble:



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There most likely are underlying health issues that are not confirmed. Maybe she was vaping a lot, smoking weed, had an undiagnosed condition like cancer or lung specific auto-immunity. There will always be outliers like that, but the general picture is that old age/disease, smoking, exposure to long term air pollution is present in almost all the severe cases and deaths.

Some reports indicate that the virus has already saturated the populations of Europe at least, and that millions+ are already infected, but most people (at least 70%) are asymptomatic. I think this is the case. We should really isolate the risk groups, and not all of society.

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Brazil gangs impose strict curfews to slow coronavirus spread

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Quote:Drug traffickers in one of Rio de Janeiro’s best-known favelas have imposed a coronavirus curfew, amid growing fears over the impact the virus could have on some of Brazil’s poorest citizens.

In recent days, as Brazil’s coronavirus death toll has climbed to 46, gang members have been circulating in the Cidade de Deus (City of God) favela in western Rio ordering residents to remain indoors after 8pm.

Last weekend the low-income community – made famous by Fernando Meirelles’ 2002 blockbuster of the same name – became the first such area to record a case of coronavirus.

And in an apparent attempt to prevent further infections the Red Command gang leaders who control the favela have ordered residents to stay at home.

A video apparently recorded in the City of God circulated on social media this week showing a loudspeaker broadcasting the alert: “Anyone found messing or walking around outside will be punished.”

“The traffickers are doing this because the government is absent. The authorities are blind to us,” one resident told the Guardian.

A report in the Rio newspaper Extra said gang members with loudhailers were moving around City of God telling its 40,000 residents: “We are imposing a curfew because nobody is taking [coronavirus] seriously. It’s best to stay at home and chill. The message has been given.”


City of God’s gangsters are not the only outlaws attacking coronavirus in Rio’s densely populated favelas, which are home to about 2 of the city’s 7 million residents.

In the Morro dos Prazeres, gang members have told residents only circulate in groups of two while in Rocinha, one of Latin America’s biggest favelas, traffickers have also decreed a curfew.

“The gangsters have said that after 8.30pm everybody must stay indoors and if they don’t there will be reprisals,” said a street hawker who lives there. “I’m staying at home – filled with fear and smothered in hand sanitizer,” the man joked.

In Santa Marta, a favela that sits in the shadow of Rio’s Christ the Redeemer statue, traffickers have been handing out soap and have placed signs near a public water fountain at the community’s entrance that say: “Please wash your hands before entering the favela.”

“I think they wrote this for the addicts who come here to buy drugs, so they don’t bring the virus in,” one local said. “But it won’t work. People who live right up at the top of the [hilltop] favela sometimes go two weeks without running water. If people aren’t even able to feed themselves, how are they supposed to stay clean?”

Meanwhile, in some sections of the Complexo da Maré, a sprawling favela near Rio’s international airport, traffickers have told shops and churches to reduce their operating hours.

“Only the bakery stays open until later – until 11pm,” said one mother who lives in Parque União, one of 16 communities that make up the Complexo. “Nobody wants to go outside – first of all for fear of coronavirus and now because of this order.”

In another of the Complexo’s communities, Nova Holanda, evangelical prayer sessions are now taking place outside the church.

“We sing our songs of praise to God from the windows of our homes, at pre-arranged times,” one resident said.

Other favelas in which curfews have been imposed include Pavão-Pavãozinho in Copacabana, Cantagalo in Ipanema, and Vidigal, further along the beach past the upper-class neighbourhood of Leblon.

Edmund Ruge, a Rio-based editor for the RioOnWatch news site which covers the favelas, said the imposition of curfews in some areas spoke to the Brazilian state’s longstanding neglect of such areas, which often lack even basic sanitation.

“[But] it isn’t the majority of favelas and it’s not coordinated. It is sporadic things around the city. It’s the exception to the rule – the rule being that civil society is really stepping up right now because they know that the state is not going to do it for them.

“Favela activists have been scrambling very effectively” to respond to the impending coronavirus crisis with donation and awareness campaigns across Brazil, Ruge said, pointing to projects such as #COVID19NasFavelas.

“It has been really impressive. The question is whether or not it is going to be enough.”
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^^^ How do you isolate half the population (old/ill or both?)

For example

40% of Americans are chronically ill that’s 133M people

34% of Americans are above age 50 (111M)

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(03-25-2020 02:21 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  ^^^ How do you isolate half the population (old/ill or both?)

For example

40% of Americans are chronically ill that’s 133M people

34% of Americans are above age 50 (111M)

How do the remaining 1/3 free ourselves to live and run the country?

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It's a given that we need to stop importing stuff from China (a 500% across-the-board tariff should do it), outsourcing factories there and perhaps we should even put sanctions on them... but before we start a nuclear war with a world superpower, can we please round up and dispose of our domestic traitors first? Please?

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What proof is there that hospitals can effectively prevent deaths from Corona Virus? A study I saw on Twitter showed that 50% of people put on a ventilator die before leaving the hospital and 70% die within a year. This was a study done before Corona.

My opinion is that if you need to be put on a ventilator, it won't do much, it's over for you
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(03-25-2020 02:39 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 02:21 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  ^^^ How do you isolate half the population (old/ill or both?)

For example

40% of Americans are chronically ill that’s 133M people

34% of Americans are above age 50 (111M)

How do the remaining 1/3 free ourselves to live and run the country?

For 18months/how ever long it takes for a vaccine ?
Isolate a majority of the population, run at 33% productivity and capacity for over a year while the virus runs wild

Vs.

Shut down for a month, handle the current outbreak and stomp the virus out while minimizing loss of human lives and get things back to normal (China currently)

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(03-25-2020 10:42 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  First child dies of COVID-19 in the United States:

Quote:California child dies of coronavirus — believed to be first kid fatality in US
By Kate SheehyMarch 24, 2020 | 4:52pm | Updated

A child has died of the coronavirus in California, authorities said Tuesday — the first apparent fatality of someone under age 18 in the country.

“A devastating reminder that COVID-19 infects people of all ages,” Barbara Ferrer, head of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, said in announcing three new deaths from the virus in the county, along with 128 more confirmed cases.

The department added of the fatalities in a statement, “One individual was a youth under the age of 18, and two other individuals were between 50-70 years old.”

Health officials later added that it was possible the death was caused by something else. But it was not clear what other factors could have led to the child’s death.

“One of the individuals between 50-70 years old had underlying health conditions and resided in West Adams, the other is from a location that is still under investigation.”

The CDC said in a report last week that less than 1 percent of confirmed coronavirus cases in the US have involved people age 19 or younger so far — and that no one in that group had died to date.

A 14-year-old boy in China was previously reported to have died from the virus, as was a victim in Spain between the ages of 10 and 19.

LA now has reported 662 cases and 11 deaths from the virus.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/california...ity-in-us/

This one was walked back - https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coron...h/2334830/

(03-25-2020 10:42 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  The coronavirus is a fast mutator and it is still mutating wildly:

Quote:Scientists in Iceland found 40 mutations of the coronavirus among people with the deadly bug in the country — and that seven infections came from people who attended the same soccer match in the UK, according to a report.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/iceland-sc...port-says/

"The Icelandic genetics company DeCode Genetics has tracked 40 mutations of coronavirus in Iceland. A probable scenario is that the virus develops to become more contagious, but less dangerous for those affected, says Danish virologist"

Edit: On the Iceland part as well, they had their "first" death from COVID19 but they had to walk that back as well since their chief epidemiologist isn't convinced patient passed from that since he had no symptoms. They didn't take the statistic away though.
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Kind of hard to round up the domestic traitors first when no small chunk of their power comes from foreign (Chinese/Zio) backing.
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I think I might have unearthed something that the global Establishment wanted to hide, about the Coronavirus.

I think the coronavirus is especially dangerous and lethal for people with the drepanocitosis.

That would explain why people with Mediterranean genes (Italians, Spaniards, some French), Middle-Eastern genes (Iranians for example), and in particular people of African origin, suffer from it much more intensely than others. While almost no German or Swede or Russian or Japanese dies. Like, remember yesterday, we learned that half of the (few) deads in Sweden, are Somalians... Makes no sense unless it's drepanocitosis-linked.

I thought about this when I researched a bit about the profile of who was urgently hospitalized, though being young, and I saw many Black sportsmen listed, like the handballer in Kazan. And today, a Zairian dude (young and martial-art expert) working in a French psychiatric hospital, was killed in one day by coronavirus "because of his immune deficiency". And this immune deficiency is well known, and extremely controversial (so much so that data on this sickness are not published anymore, in France). It's the drepanocitosis. A condition I know of because I once talked about it with my man Tsonga's coach.

https://fr.sputniknews.com/france/202003...-et-marne/

That'd explain why Germans don't die from Coronavirus, but a bit old Italians, Spaniards, Southern French, and Black healthy people, die from the Coronavirus. That'd explain why the only young dude almost killed in Russia was the Black handballer in Kazan.

It is because the drepanocitosis screws with the oxygen in the veins and lungs, thus preparing the (killing) ground for coronavirus.

The only thing that is missing, is data on Chinese and drepanocitosis. I don't know about that. But in any case, though I'm not a medical doctor, I think I heard enough on the drepanocitosis to understand that this (very common within certain groups) genetic condition would make people terribly vulnerable to the attack by coronavirus.

Of course one would then be one step removed from thinking, "was the coronavirus designed in a lab to target 'diverse' Western societies and kill their most vibrant members (thus decimating the security forces), while also sending all the weak and old people to hospitals to clog the system"?

In any case I would be curious to know the percentage of young coronavirus patients (seriously ill) that have drepanocitosis. That would also explain the "strange reddish eye coloration" noted in almost all young coronavirus serious cases, as drepanocitosis also colors the outer edge of the eye.

Edit: the drepanocitosis thing would also explain why air travel is currently suspended worldwide, as people with drepanocitosis are very weakened by long air travel (ask Jo Tsonga about it). The Establishment is cancelling airplane travels so that people with drepanocitosis don't all die from air travel plus coronavirus exposure?
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Interesting, drepanocitosis would explain why the US epicenters are becoming NYC, Atlanta, New Orleans/Louisiana, with the later two already reporting swamped hospitals

Whereas while Washington is "maintaining" their outbreak (that has been in the area since Jan 15)

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If it is indeed the drepanocitosis that (combined with Covid) kills or weakens most young strong coronavirus-infected patients, then a lot of theories would emerge. Confused

I mean, who would work on, and release (by accident?) a disease that will cripple all Western societies with migrants, plus, totally, absolutely decimate Africa (and make its resources available for almost free)?

(I posted yesterday that cases are beginning to explode in Africa - Nigeria Kenya Cameroun Ivory Coast - and, maybe Africans have been dying en-masse for months already, with a simple diagnosis of 'severe drepanocitosis complication'?)

https://www.rchsd.org/health-articles/an...alciforme/

"La anemia falciforme es una enfermedad de la sangre de origen hereditario que afecta prioritariamente a las personas que tienen antepasados de raza negra, aunque también se da en otros grupos étnicos, incluyendo las personas que tienen antepasados de origen mediterráneo o de oriente medio.

En EE.UU., hay más de 70.000 personas afectadas por esta enfermedad. Aproximadamente dos millones de norteamericanos —uno de cada doce— tiene el rasgo drepanocítico, lo que significa que son portadores de un único gen de la enfermedad sin manifestarla"

2 millions of people (or is it, quoting "one out of twelve"?) at risk in the USA, if non-symptomatic drepanocitosis cases are included?

Note also that this disease is so racially-charged, that statistics on drepanocitosis are, in Vibrant Countries, all but outlawed. Hard to know how many people have it, but the WHO admits that it's the most common genetic disease in the world.
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Is drepanocitosis sickle cell disease in english?

Google only links french articles and articles on sickle cell for this term.
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(03-25-2020 11:48 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  I am no longer in the ER, no more training for graduate physicians only residents. They said I will become a nidus for disease and sent me home for now. The virus has mutated thousands of times. We were getting younger patients who vaped. Stop smoking or vaping if you can, I quit vaping once I saw a 28 year old with covid get put on a respirator who vaped. Miami is on complete lockdown with social distance enforcement by the police. No gyms, no parks , no restaurants, grocery stores with lines letting people in one at a time. I do not know how we will be open come Easter. April 1st is coming and people are already hurting financially.

I am not trying to be alarmist, but this is looking like it is here to stay. Constant sanitation will be here from now on. Cytokine storm is affecting young people, if you have a fever don't take NSAIDS, take an ice bath. The ER was dead, the ICU was expanded. People are (wisely) staying away from the ER unless they are really sick. I am pissed because I want to help but due to red tape I am not able to do anything in the hospital. All the New Yorkers and New Jersey people coming to Miami are going to overwhelm the hospitals.

China needs to pay for this, I don't think the fact that Wuhans Bioweapons facility being so close to the wet market was a coincidence. I think a Cold War with China is appropriate. Manufacturing must come back to America and we should be united in paying more for American made products and ensuring Americans make those products. China is completely to blame for this, and their propaganda trying to blame us is disgusting. As far as I am concerned China is USSR in 1967- they are the enemy to me. At the least they let this spread with disinformation and incompetence, at worst they created this and unleashed it. This rate of mutations is more than HIV , and covid is a simple RNA virus! Genetic shift like this with subsequent mutations is unheard of- SARS and MERS did not mutate like this. Perhaps I am wrong and it was just the wet market and incompetence, but regardless China must pay.

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(03-25-2020 04:00 PM)Going strong Wrote:  I think the coronavirus is especially dangerous and lethal for people with the drepanocitosis.

So, apparently drepanocitosis is another term for sickle cell disease, which is one of six "extremely vulnerable groups" for CIVID-19:

Quote:What do we mean by extremely vulnerable?

People falling into this extremely vulnerable group include:

1) Solid organ transplant recipients.

2) People with specific cancers:

people with cancer who are undergoing active chemotherapy or radical radiotherapy for lung cancer

people with cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma who are at any stage of treatment

people having immunotherapy or other continuing antibody treatments for cancer

people having other targeted cancer treatments which can affect the immune system, such as protein kinase inhibitors or PARP inhibitors

people who have had bone marrow or stem cell transplants in the last 6 months, or who are still taking immunosuppression drugs

3) People with severe respiratory conditions including all cystic fibrosis, severe asthma and severe COPD.

4) People with rare diseases and inborn errors of metabolism that significantly increase the risk of infections (such as SCID, homozygous sickle cell).

5) People on immunosuppression therapies sufficient to significantly increase risk of infection.

6) Women who are pregnant with significant heart disease, congenital or acquired.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicatio...vulnerable


It is far more likely that CIVID-19 simply impacts people with pre-existing medical conditions or genetic defects -- versus a lab specifically designing it for a particular population. A doctor on Fox News today stated that the coronavirus has been studied under electron microscopes since its discovery and that there was absolutely no evidence of splicing or other telltale evidence of human manipulation of the virus.
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(03-25-2020 04:24 PM)Stats Wrote:  Is drepanocitosis sickle cell disease in english?

Google only links french articles and articles on sickle cell for this term.

Yes, the red cells look like sickle.

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Proof you can't cure stupid but you sure can spin it like the whinging Gov of New York:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/...me-people/

Why New Joke is the real Wuhan...

New York currently has 30,811 cases, California has 2,644 cases, Washington state has 2,404 cases and Massachusetts has 1,159 cases.

Cuomo added that New Yorkers lived “close to one another,” which was another reason the virus spread more quickly.

He cited the close quarters in which New Yorkers lived in their communities, restaurants, movie theaters, public transportation, that, made New Yorkers more vulnerable.

But he said that the greatest weakness of New Yorkers was also their greatest strength.

“Our closeness is what makes us special,” he said, noting that New Yorkers were more open, accepting and tolerant than the rest of the world.

“The closeness is that New York humanity that I think exists nowhere else,” he said.


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Yes it is sickle cell anemia / disease.

Interesting theory. It would make sense that a population that already struggles with oxygen delivery would have a pretty tough time with the WuFlu.
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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread III
To address some of the topic raised...

Many cities like Madrid is already setting up field hospitals in convention centers and sports arenas. Scary, just like movies.

Yes most patients who got put on the ventilator dies. Probably only 1/4 of those survive. But that’s all we got in terms of treatment for respiratory failure. Having more ventilators will save more of a fraction of very sick people. But you also need more respiratory therapist, icu nurses, intensive care doctors. It’s not a simple machine.

NY had already started a trial study for hydroxychloroquine. It’s not a magic bullet but be great if it can keep some portion of the patients from needing the ventilator.

Not locking down nyc completely is going to be a big problem. As in quarantine the city and not let people leave. Many New Yorker escaped the city and will now spread the infection. Beijing and Shanghai didn’t blow up because Chinese literally locked down Wuhan, not letting anyone leave.

Btw chinese is not back to normal. They are still very afraid to lift restrictions as the cases might blow up again. But that’s what we are thriving for.

The most realistic optimistic scenario is cases peaking in 2-3 weeks. By mid to late April we can lift restrictions in a few areas and by May perhaps most of US can have a bit of freedom but still adhere to social distancing. Testing will start to ramp up. With adequate testing, covid - people can slowly go back to work and economy can slowly recover. But until we have vaccine or herd immunity our life will be somewhat restricted. I don’t expect crowded ball games or concerts for another 2 years. But would be nice to go to restaurants.
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Quote:the state was getting hit hardest

http://nycitylens.com/2020/03/map-corona...ork-state/

Of the not-quite 31000 cases, almost 60% are in NYC, another 38% are in counties that are basically bedroom communities for people who work in NYC. Outside of that cluster, Albany (which is NYC second-level of government, effectively) has the most, unsurprisingly, followed by upstate's cities of Buffalo, Rochester, etc.

This is a New York city problem, not a New York state problem, and this is a city problem in general, just like all plagues.
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(03-25-2020 04:49 PM)kel Wrote:  
Quote:the state was getting hit hardest

http://nycitylens.com/2020/03/map-corona...ork-state/

Of the not-quite 31000 cases, almost 60% are in NYC, another 38% are in counties that are basically bedroom communities for people who work in NYC. Outside of that cluster, Albany (which is NYC second-level of government, effectively) has the most, unsurprisingly, followed by upstate's cities of Buffalo, Rochester, etc.

This is a New York city problem, not a New York state problem, and this is a city problem in general, just like all plagues.

Just this last week my local library had this book on its "required reading" list:

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My guess is that the author will lay low for a while until the plague is over and it is time to invite more vibrants and viruses back into the glorious metropolis. tard

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Holy shit - guys, you need to watch this clip from a Korean drama:

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So browsing yahoo Japan, I saw an article stating that there was a surge of 41 new cases in Tokyo so the governor of Tokyo Yuriko Koike issued an announcement encouraging people to stay indoors on the weekend, work from home if at all possible and stay indoors at night. One of the top comments:

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*attempting to translate with my mediocre Japanese*

"In Japan, worries of the virus spreading have largely diminished. Even in the yahoo comments, if you search for (corona faith), (corona believers), (corona infecting the brain) you'll find people blowing it off.

However if you are aware of the risks, and attend events, travel abroad and infect other people, you are no different than the 'Aichi bakamari culprit' *some guy accused of spreading the virus I guess*. I don't want those people to burden others."

Someone with better Japanese can do a better translation but I think I got the jist of it.

Link to the article for anyone that can read Japanese:

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20200...abema-soci

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