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(03-24-2020 10:50 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  Pardon me if this has been posted already:

My savant friend analyzed some data and read a whole bunch of the reports and told me that the deaths generally peak 22 days after the 25th death.

That means the USA will peak around Mar 31. Canada just had the 25th death today, so for us it should be around April 15.

I think this peak only applies to countries that get serious after the 25th (or way before it). A country where people are still mingling and partying will not have the same experience.

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My father was diagnosed with eye melanoma a few weeks ago and needs his first treatment next week. Unfortunately the hospital he has to go to is in another part of the UK, and all flights are cancelled. His condition is not life threatening at present, but he does need that first treatment, and currently the NHS are looking at other modes of transport for him and my mother. The overnight ferry plus their car will cost the NHS £750, and even then, it's not guaranteed that the ferry will still be running next week.

Other people are in a worse situation - people with stage IV cancer who have had their treatment all but suspended while we endure this shutdown.

At this point, with a less than 1% mortality rate for this virus in the UK, I'm wondering if the social and economic ramifications of this total shutdown is a worthwhile cure. Obviously I'm a layman, and know essentially nothing, but I'm looking at all of the consequences that has affected me in the last week (loss of earnings and my small business hanging by a thread) and my father's uncertain treatment, I'm seriously worried about the long-term ramifications of all of this for the society at large.

The Chinese state needs to pay for this.
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(03-24-2020 11:28 PM)2Infinity Wrote:  It seems to me like globohomo / leftists wants hydroxychloroquine to fail and this pandemic to continue...

I'm wondering if its because they want Trump to lose to re-election and would prefer this pandemic wrecks the economy entirely - I'm seeing leftist media and other usual suspects try and cast doubts on it potential effectiveness.

Jewish doc is claiming to have successfully treated 350 of his patients with it...

https://collive.com/doctor-claims-to-hav...ronavirus/

There have been some promising reports on hydroxychlorquinine, but no firm consensus that it works. However, Doctors are trying it in hospitals around the world. Fortunately the drug is widely available and the risks of trying it are low.

If it really does work, we should start seeing growing numbers of cured patients within days. It's said to work in 5-6 days, and the news about it has already been widespread for 3-4 days. If it is the real deal, there should be dozens of success stories in the next day or two, growing to 100's in the next week. From that point, it should grow to 1000's of successes, and it will become accepted that it works.

It's interesting to see this end run around the usual time consuming process of medical trials, with people just trying it to see what happens, then spreading the word of their results.

I hope it really does offer an effective treatment for severe cases. That would pretty much solve this pandemic and let things get back to normal.

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(03-25-2020 08:05 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  My father was diagnosed with eye melanoma a few weeks ago and needs his first treatment next week. Unfortunately the hospital he has to go to is in another part of the UK, and all flights are cancelled. His condition is not life threatening at present, but he does need that first treatment, and currently the NHS are looking at other modes of transport for him and my mother. The overnight ferry plus their car will cost the NHS £750, and even then, it's not guaranteed that the ferry will still be running next week.

Other people are in a worse situation - people with stage IV cancer who have had their treatment all but suspended while we endure this shutdown.

At this point, with a less than 1% mortality rate for this virus in the UK, I'm wondering if the social and economic ramifications of this total shutdown is a worthwhile cure. Obviously I'm a layman, and know essentially nothing, but I'm looking at all of the consequences that has affected me in the last week (loss of earnings and my small business hanging by a thread) and my father's uncertain treatment, I'm seriously worried about the long-term ramifications of all of this for the society at large.

The Chinese state needs to pay for this.

Good points.

I wonder if the governments around the world are thinking about creating make-shift hospitals in tents and sports arenas like in Contagion.

I know that ICU treatment is difficult. It's not just intubating, it's draining urine, it's treating bed sores, it's making sure infection doesn't run wild.

Wouldn't it still be a good idea to go Spanish Flu style and have these makeshift hospitals with plenty of fresh air and Vitamin D from the sun?

You could do a draft of all able bodied young women to serve as provisionary nurses.
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(03-25-2020 08:42 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  You could do a draft of all able bodied young women to serve as provisionary nurses.

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The instawhores would cry themselves into catatonia.

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(03-25-2020 07:58 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Three US sailors at an aircraft carrier infected with Coronavirus:

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/03...t-carrier/

How is that even possible? I thought that nuclear-powered aircraft carriers spend most of their time at sea similar to submarines, with zero contact with land for months at a time?

Sailors belong on ships and ships belong at sea until they pull into liberty ports for morale. Liberty ports are famous for Strip Clubs, Mamasan Bars, Nightclubs, $lut$ and of course Hooker$.

Military men are not choir boys or boy scouts. We are men who train to kill other men to protect our country.

An aircraft carrier with a full aircrew and USMC security is 5,000 plus crew men and women who all get 30 days leave per year and have expired enlistments and new crew being transferred if at sea flown on and off so likely need to qauarantine new crew members for two weeks like anyone evacuating New York.

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Regarding hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), I don't think there will be any answers coming out any time too soon whether it works or not.

Absolute best case scenario, maybe it will reduce the mortality rate from like 3% to 1%. In terms of absolute numbers, that's going to be a relatively small difference (at least in terms of number of patients a single doctor will see), so the anecdotal stories may not be accurate and we're just going to have to wait until the sample sizes are large enough to detect small differences.

It seems that currently, at least in New York, they are only giving HCQ to patients in the hospital who are already pretty sick. I suspect that if there is benefit from HCQ, there is probably the largest benefit if it is given early in the disease. Once someone is already in ARDS and renal failure, even if you were to snap your fingers and have the virus disappear, there is still a long road to recovery and possible permanent damage.

An ideal study would probably be to give HCQ to those with mild symptoms early in the course of infection and see how many go on to have severe symptoms and/or death. There's not enough tests to test everyone with mild symptoms, and if there were, there's probably not enough HCQ to treat everyone. If the differences in percentages are like I guessed earlier, you'd probably need a few thousand patients in the sample size to detect it.

Most of the data that will come out will probably end up being retrospective (looking back on patients who were treated and seeing how they did versus those who were not treated). But this will likely cause problems since the sicker patients are being treated more, it may make the HCQ group look like it has worse outcomes. A statistician would probably have to stratify patients by baseline characteristics.

A prospective double-blind randomized control trial is the gold standard. Hopefully this won't be going on long enough for them to have time to design a study and run it.
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First child dies of COVID-19 in the United States:

Quote:California child dies of coronavirus — believed to be first kid fatality in US
By Kate SheehyMarch 24, 2020 | 4:52pm | Updated

A child has died of the coronavirus in California, authorities said Tuesday — the first apparent fatality of someone under age 18 in the country.

“A devastating reminder that COVID-19 infects people of all ages,” Barbara Ferrer, head of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, said in announcing three new deaths from the virus in the county, along with 128 more confirmed cases.

The department added of the fatalities in a statement, “One individual was a youth under the age of 18, and two other individuals were between 50-70 years old.”

Health officials later added that it was possible the death was caused by something else. But it was not clear what other factors could have led to the child’s death.

“One of the individuals between 50-70 years old had underlying health conditions and resided in West Adams, the other is from a location that is still under investigation.”

The CDC said in a report last week that less than 1 percent of confirmed coronavirus cases in the US have involved people age 19 or younger so far — and that no one in that group had died to date.

A 14-year-old boy in China was previously reported to have died from the virus, as was a victim in Spain between the ages of 10 and 19.

LA now has reported 662 cases and 11 deaths from the virus.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/california...ity-in-us/
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Quote:Alarm caused by the Covid-19 pandemic is creating security problems in México state, where a gang of over 70 people looted a grocery store in the municipality of Tecámac on Monday night.

Dozens of men and women rushed a Bodega Aurerra Express supermarket and ransacked the shelves and displays, leaving them bare in their wake.

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Quote:Germany has closed its border to visitors from Europe due to coronavirus, but migrants claiming asylum from the Middle East and Africa are still allowed to enter the country.

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I am no longer in the ER, no more training for graduate physicians only residents. They said I will become a nidus for disease and sent me home for now. The virus has mutated thousands of times. We were getting younger patients who vaped. Stop smoking or vaping if you can, I quit vaping once I saw a 28 year old with covid get put on a respirator who vaped. Miami is on complete lockdown with social distance enforcement by the police. No gyms, no parks , no restaurants, grocery stores with lines letting people in one at a time. I do not know how we will be open come Easter. April 1st is coming and people are already hurting financially.

I am not trying to be alarmist, but this is looking like it is here to stay. Constant sanitation will be here from now on. Cytokine storm is affecting young people, if you have a fever don't take NSAIDS, take an ice bath. The ER was dead, the ICU was expanded. People are (wisely) staying away from the ER unless they are really sick. I am pissed because I want to help but due to red tape I am not able to do anything in the hospital. All the New Yorkers and New Jersey people coming to Miami are going to overwhelm the hospitals.

China needs to pay for this, I don't think the fact that Wuhans Bioweapons facility being so close to the wet market was a coincidence. I think a Cold War with China is appropriate. Manufacturing must come back to America and we should be united in paying more for American made products and ensuring Americans make those products. China is completely to blame for this, and their propaganda trying to blame us is disgusting. As far as I am concerned China is USSR in 1967- they are the enemy to me. At the least they let this spread with disinformation and incompetence, at worst they created this and unleashed it. This rate of mutations is more than HIV , and covid is a simple RNA virus! Genetic shift like this with subsequent mutations is unheard of- SARS and MERS did not mutate like this. Perhaps I am wrong and it was just the wet market and incompetence, but regardless China must pay.

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(03-25-2020 11:48 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  China needs to pay for this, I don't think the fact that Wuhans Bioweapons facility being so close to the wet market was a coincidence. I think a Cold War with China is appropriate. Manufacturing must come back to America and we should be united in paying more for American made products and ensuring Americans make those products. China is completely to blame for this, and their propaganda trying to blame us is disgusting. As far as I am concerned China is USSR in 1967- they are the enemy to me. At the least they let this spread with disinformation and incompetence, at worst they created this and unleashed it. This rate of mutations is more than HIV , and covid is a simple RNA virus! Genetic shift like this with subsequent mutations is unheard of- SARS and MERS did not mutate like this. Perhaps I am wrong and it was just the wet market and incompetence, but regardless China must pay.

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(03-25-2020 09:08 AM)Bury Zenek Wrote:  
(03-25-2020 08:42 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  You could do a draft of all able bodied young women to serve as provisionary nurses.

Laugh6

The instawhores would cry themselves into catatonia.

You wouldnt have to draft if you announced theyd get uniforms like this and get all the IG/FB likes they could eat, theyd volunteer

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Quote:FDA Approves Use of Blood From Survivors to Treat COVID-19
By Greg Richter | Tuesday, 24 March 2020 07:58 PM

The FDA on Tuesday approved use of blood plasma from people who have survived COVID-19 to treat the most serious cases of the disease until a vaccine or other treatment can be developed.

"The approach definitely has merit, and what’s remarkable about it is it’s not a new idea; it’s been with us for a good hundred years or longer," said Dr. Jeffrey Henderson, associate professor of medicine and molecular microbiology at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, told NBC News. Henderson is part of the nationwide network of doctors and researchers working on protocols to use plasma to treat COVID-19.

"I think we don't know until we have experience and case reports with this particular disease whether it will be effective, but just based on its track record with a number of other viruses, I think it has a very good chance of working," Henderson said.

The method has been used for decades, including during the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic.

According to the FDA's protocols, doctor's can request to treat patients with the experimental treatment on a case-by-case basis. Those who are at risk of dying are the only ones to be considered for now.

Most requests will receive a response from the FDA within four to eight hours, according to the agency's statement. Doctors can call the FDA’s Office of Emergency Operations for approval over the phone if it is needed more quickly.

Should the treatment be shown to be safe and effective it would likely work best if given before symptoms become severe, experts said. Such treatments also are shown to be effective for frontline medical professionals treating those with such diseases, NBC reported.

"Although promising, convalescent plasma has not been shown to be effective in every disease studied," the FDA announcement said. "It is therefore important to determine through clinical trials, before routinely administering convalescent plasma to patients with COVID-19, that it is safe and effective to do so."

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Monday announced that trials would be starting in his state, most likely in New Rochelle, where a large number of cases were discovered and several people already have recovered.

"It's only a trial," Cuomo said "It's a trial for people who are in serious condition, but the New York State Department of Health has been working on this with some of New York's best health care agencies, and we think it shows promise, and we're going to be starting that this week."

https://www.newsmax.com/us/coronavirus-c...id/959805/
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If you're calling for China to pay just remember what happened after 9/11.

We never got the truth but instead we got trillions of debt, over a million dead and many more damaged mentally and physically. We also got the Patriot Umbrella Act and a lot of other things under it.

Now look at what our governments and authorities are doing and we have many people cheering it on. People actually cheering the police/military on when they arrest and/or beat dissenters. Dont let hysteria and anger lead you down a path that will leave you worse off.
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(03-25-2020 12:01 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
Quote:FDA Approves Use of Blood From Survivors to Treat COVID-19
By Greg Richter | Tuesday, 24 March 2020 07:58 PM

The FDA on Tuesday approved use of blood plasma from people who have survived COVID-19 to treat the most serious cases of the disease until a vaccine or other treatment can be developed.

"The approach definitely has merit, and what’s remarkable about it is it’s not a new idea; it’s been with us for a good hundred years or longer," said Dr. Jeffrey Henderson, associate professor of medicine and molecular microbiology at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, told NBC News. Henderson is part of the nationwide network of doctors and researchers working on protocols to use plasma to treat COVID-19.

"I think we don't know until we have experience and case reports with this particular disease whether it will be effective, but just based on its track record with a number of other viruses, I think it has a very good chance of working," Henderson said.

The method has been used for decades, including during the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic.

According to the FDA's protocols, doctor's can request to treat patients with the experimental treatment on a case-by-case basis. Those who are at risk of dying are the only ones to be considered for now.

Most requests will receive a response from the FDA within four to eight hours, according to the agency's statement. Doctors can call the FDA’s Office of Emergency Operations for approval over the phone if it is needed more quickly.

Should the treatment be shown to be safe and effective it would likely work best if given before symptoms become severe, experts said. Such treatments also are shown to be effective for frontline medical professionals treating those with such diseases, NBC reported.

"Although promising, convalescent plasma has not been shown to be effective in every disease studied," the FDA announcement said. "It is therefore important to determine through clinical trials, before routinely administering convalescent plasma to patients with COVID-19, that it is safe and effective to do so."

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Monday announced that trials would be starting in his state, most likely in New Rochelle, where a large number of cases were discovered and several people already have recovered.

"It's only a trial," Cuomo said "It's a trial for people who are in serious condition, but the New York State Department of Health has been working on this with some of New York's best health care agencies, and we think it shows promise, and we're going to be starting that this week."

https://www.newsmax.com/us/coronavirus-c...id/959805/

Speaking of Cuomo, New York might ban the sale of all tobacco products, including e-cigarettes. I don`t like Cuomo more than anyone else here, but I do think that this is sensible measure. Even though the short-term effect of quitting smoking is not that great, it still could reduce your risk of serious illness from SARS-Co19 significantly. One study out of China showed a 14x increased risk of severe complications with smokers vs. non-smokers. So this is an important measure.
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QAnon Confirms CoronaVirus as a Chinese Bioweapon

https://www.neonrevolt.com/2020/03/25/th...eonrevolt/

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China sent workers to Milan in Italy knowing damn well that they were in the midst of a virus with a genetic shift. They sent tech workers to California, Washington, and New York and allowed tourists to go on vacation. Look at the results. How should I feel about that? China is not our friend, they are the friends of the people who pushed free trade and taking our manufacturing away-hurting the many to enrich the few. Furthermore, our government is failing us-$1200 dollars will not be enough. I am fed up with our politicians, industry, and government. I cannot be the only one feeling this way. People that are quarantined finally have time to pay attention, they must be feeling similar to me- things need to change.

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I remember reading that the Chinese were using plasma from survivors to treat sick patients.

I think there is probably a lot that can be learned from the Chinese doctors, if you can get to them without any CCP interference.
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Are the Governments withholding information that we don't know about (i.e., number of people who died from COVID-19)? Are the numbers and/or data being manipulated? We still don't know the true stat numbers.

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Quote:New York City morgues are nearing their capacities, according to a Department of Homeland Security official and a person familiar with the situation who spoke to Politico.

With New York being a hotspot for the coronavirus pandemic, the sources noted that by next week the morgues would be full. A third source with familiarity told the news site that some of the city’s morgues had already hit capacity in the last week.

The city, however, says they’re prepared for the issue. “We have the ability to expand pretty dramatically,” Aja Worthy-Davis, a spokesperson for the New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (OCME), said, “If you look back at what we did during 9/11, we have the ability to create mobile stations that allow us to house bodies if we run out of space.”

Bellevue Hospital in Manhattan is one hospital readying for the overflow. Two refrigerated trailers were recently placed on their property with the label “MOBILE COMMAND CENTER — MEDICAL EXAMINER”, according to The New York Post.

“All hospitals within the city tend to have small morgue spaces, so it’s possible that with the capacity of hospitals in New York City, there may be an expectation … that they’ll run out of morgue space,” Worthy-Davis added.

Their have been more than 17,856 confirmed cases of the coronavirus in the city and the situation has caused officials on the White House Task Force to encourage people leaving New York to quarantine for 14 days.
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It seems strange if no where else in China other than Wuhan had so many cases. Yes, I realize Wuhan was apparently the epicenter, but you'd think other major Chinese cities would have had lots of cases too, especially if they didn't lock the city down like they did in Wuhan. In the US, it makes sense that New York would be hit hardest. It has the biggest population, highest density, and probably the most foreigners (and diverse foreigners, not just Mexicans) of anywhere in the US. Wouldn't cases blow up in a city like Beijing or Shanghai that has those same attributes? Plus, the very stats I saw from China seemed to show the mortality was much lower outside of Wuhan. Effective quarantine? Made up statistics?
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(03-25-2020 11:48 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  This rate of mutations is more than HIV , and covid is a simple RNA virus! Genetic shift like this with subsequent mutations is unheard of- SARS and MERS did not mutate like this.

what are you basing this on that it is mutating. are you guys doing genetic testing? As it infects a larger percent of the population it naturally increases the number of opportunities for this to mutate. also with the official data that 0.2% of young people die as it infects a larger % of the population that alone is enough to fill the hospitals with just young people without assuming some grand mutations
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(03-25-2020 12:30 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  China sent workers to Milan in Italy knowing damn well that they were in the midst of a virus with a genetic shift. They sent tech workers to California, Washington, and New York and allowed tourists to go on vacation. Look at the results. How should I feel about that? China is not our friend, they are the friends of the people who pushed free trade and taking our manufacturing away-hurting the many to enrich the few. Furthermore, our government is failing us-$1200 dollars will not be enough. I am fed up with our politicians, industry, and government. I cannot be the only one feeling this way. People that are quarantined finally have time to pay attention, they must be feeling similar to me- things need to change.

So what's the financial solution? Print more money?

And by the way Atlanta Man, thanks for everything you've done. I hope at least a few people said that to you down in Miami.

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(03-25-2020 12:52 PM)Doubting Thomas Wrote:  It seems strange if no where else in China other than Wuhan had so many cases. Yes, I realize Wuhan was apparently the epicenter, but you'd think other major Chinese cities would have had lots of cases too, especially if they didn't lock the city down like they did in Wuhan. In the US, it makes sense that New York would be hit hardest. It has the biggest population, highest density, and probably the most foreigners (and diverse foreigners, not just Mexicans) of anywhere in the US. Wouldn't cases blow up in a city like Beijing or Shanghai that has those same attributes? Plus, the very stats I saw from China seemed to show the mortality was much lower outside of Wuhan. Effective quarantine? Made up statistics?

China, being a centralized entity, is probably shipping all these bodies to Wuhan. Just like Russia, that is shipping all its Corona cases to Novosibirsk.
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Interesting sentiment especially coming from Atlanta Man’s perspective.

Just because this thing wanes won’t mean it’s time to assume we’re fine. The massive economic strife combined with an incredibly spectacular failure of globalist governance is setting the stage for things to get extremely “interesting” moving into 2024-2030.
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(03-25-2020 12:34 PM)SeaFM Wrote:  I remember reading that the Chinese were using plasma from survivors to treat sick patients.

I think there is probably a lot that can be learned from the Chinese doctors, if you can get to them without any CCP interference.

Kidnapping needed.

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