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The idea that malaria meds could treat Covid-19 was out early and health agencies were quick to dismiss it. I understand why they did it, so people dont attempt to self medicate, but I'm not sure if this communication strategy works in the digital age. I think they should go for more transparancy.
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(03-16-2020 08:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Hey fellas, I am back safe and sound. I had a very long car ride and my back and butt are killing me! But my girl is safe with me and I had plenty of things to think about along the car ride.

Also, while driving, for every 100 cars I saw an Amazon prime truck along the highway. At the Newark Airport, I saw 5 Airplanes in total; utterly deserted. The economy is shifting hard to delivered goods and everyone is starting to stay home, except for the usual idiots.

The conspiracy that America started this virus makes no sense; otherwise we would have never let it spread to America or to Europe. This is a pathetic attempt by the CCP to deflect blame and avoid facing up to the fact that people have been warning about the Wuhan BSL4 for years:

https://www.nature.com/news/inside-the-c...ns-1.21487

Inside the Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens

Quote:A laboratory in Wuhan is on the cusp of being cleared to work with the world’s most dangerous pathogens. The move is part of a plan to build between five and seven biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs across the Chinese mainland by 2025, and has generated much excitement, as well as some concerns.

Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. But Chinese microbiologists are celebrating their entrance to the elite cadre empowered to wrestle with the world’s greatest biological threats.

“It will offer more opportunities for Chinese researchers, and our contribution on the BSL‑4-level pathogens will benefit the world,” says George Gao, director of the Chinese Academy of Sciences Key Laboratory of Pathogenic Microbiology and Immunology in Beijing. There are already two BSL-4 labs in Taiwan, but the National Bio-safety Laboratory, Wuhan, would be the first on the Chinese mainland.

The lab was certified as meeting the standards and criteria of BSL-4 by the China National Accreditation Service for Conformity Assessment (CNAS) in January. The CNAS examined the lab’s infrastructure, equipment and management, says a CNAS representative, paving the way for the Ministry of Health to give its approval. A representative from the ministry says it will move slowly and cautiously; if the assessment goes smoothly, it could approve the laboratory by the end of June.

BSL-4 is the highest level of biocontainment: its criteria include filtering air and treating water and waste before they leave the laboratory, and stipulating that researchers change clothes and shower before and after using lab facilities. Such labs are often controversial. The first BSL-4 lab in Japan was built in 1981, but operated with lower-risk pathogens until 2015, when safety concerns were finally overcome.

The expansion of BSL-4-lab networks in the United States and Europe over the past 15 years — with more than a dozen now in operation or under construction in each region — also met with resistance, including questions about the need for so many facilities.

The Wuhan lab cost 300 million yuan (US$44 million), and to allay safety concerns it was built far above the flood plain and with the capacity to withstand a magnitude-7 earthquake, although the area has no history of strong earthquakes. It will focus on the control of emerging diseases, store purified viruses and act as a World Health Organization ‘reference laboratory’ linked to similar labs around the world. “It will be a key node in the global biosafety-lab network,” says lab director Yuan Zhiming.

The Chinese Academy of Sciences approved the construction of a BSL-4 laboratory in 2003, and the epidemic of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) around the same time lent the project momentum. The lab was designed and constructed with French assistance as part of a 2004 cooperative agreement on the prevention and control of emerging infectious diseases. But the complexity of the project, China’s lack of experience, difficulty in maintaining funding and long government approval procedures meant that construction wasn’t finished until the end of 2014.

The lab’s first project will be to study the BSL-3 pathogen that causes Crimean–Congo haemorrhagic fever: a deadly tick-borne virus that affects livestock across the world, including in northwest China, and that can jump to people.

Future plans include studying the pathogen that causes SARS, which also doesn’t require a BSL-4 lab, before moving on to Ebola and the West African Lassa virus, which do. Some one million Chinese people work in Africa; the country needs to be ready for any eventuality, says Yuan. “Viruses don’t know borders.”

Gao travelled to Sierra Leone during the recent Ebola outbreak, allowing his team to report the speed with which the virus mutated into new strains1. The Wuhan lab will give his group a chance to study how such viruses cause disease, and to develop treatments based on antibodies and small molecules, he says.

The opportunities for international collaboration, meanwhile, will aid the genetic analysis and epidemiology of emergent diseases. “The world is facing more new emerging viruses, and we need more contribution from China,” says Gao. In particular, the emergence of zoonotic viruses — those that jump to humans from animals, such as SARS or Ebola — is a concern, says Bruno Lina, director of the VirPath virology lab in Lyon, France.

Many staff from the Wuhan lab have been training at a BSL-4 lab in Lyon, which some scientists find reassuring. And the facility has already carried out a test-run using a low-risk virus.

But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.

Yuan says that he has worked to address this issue with staff. “We tell them the most important thing is that they report what they have or haven’t done,” he says. And the lab’s inter­national collaborations will increase openness. “Transparency is the basis of the lab,” he adds.

The plan to expand into a network heightens such concerns. One BSL-4 lab in Harbin is already awaiting accreditation; the next two are expected to be in Beijing and Kunming, the latter focused on using monkey models to study disease.

Lina says that China’s size justifies this scale, and that the opportunity to combine BSL-4 research with an abundance of research monkeys — Chinese researchers face less red tape than those in the West when it comes to research on primates — could be powerful. “If you want to test vaccines or antivirals, you need a non-human primate model,” says Lina.

But Ebright is not convinced of the need for more than one BSL-4 lab in mainland China. He suspects that the expansion there is a reaction to the networks in the United States and Europe, which he says are also unwarranted. He adds that governments will assume that such excess capacity is for the potential development of bioweapons.

“These facilities are inherently dual use,” he says. The prospect of ramping up opportunities to inject monkeys with pathogens also worries, rather than excites, him: “They can run, they can scratch, they can bite.”

Trevan says China’s investment in a BSL-4 lab may, above all, be a way to prove to the world that the nation is competitive. “It is a big status symbol in biology,” he says, “whether it’s a need or not.”

Nature 542, 399–400 (23 February 2017) doi:10.1038/nature.2017.21487

So my girl found this article while we on the road and I was describing to her the Zerohedge article that first pointed out this outbreak occurred 900 feet from Wuhan's BSL4 lab, apparently owned by George Soros at address 666...?

Fact is, all of these BSL4 labs are an arms race to develop the most powerful viruses that can cripple entire nations. There was little concern about worst case scenarios, and the voices of reason fell on deaf ears, as usual. On top of this, the Wuhan lab involved using lots of monkeys that can run around, bite, scratch, etc, who the hell knows what was going on inside of this place? Perhaps one of the researchers inside were infected by a renegade monkey and never told anyone, afraid of being punished by the terrifying CCP?

Already the CCP is trying to silence articles like the one above. Counter-articles like this one:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance...9/fulltext

Claims that the genome structure of the COVID-19 is too 'discordant' to be a combination of multiple viruses, like HIV and SARS, but honestly, this seems like a weak argument to me because there is no reason why scientists couldn't merge random samples of viruses and try mutating them to see what results could be produced. They then could have accidentally created a super-virus without even realizing.

Anyhow, we are looking at the death of globalism. I've read accounts of expert traders who claim our economy won't recover for over 25 years or more. I believe them. I am looking for new jobs that involve delivery of goods and services. This is where things will be for the next few months. I am happy I decided to go get my girl when I did, I can feel the quarantines coming down any day now. Martial law seems extremely likely in the USA, something that has not happened since the Civil War? (150 years ago???)

Speculating the only sense you could make of this is if China is retaliating. Putting the blame of a new release of CV in european and american soil into a US lab. Now I don´t know what this means or if it´s even true. But will leave it here regardless. Supposedly US released class C coronavirus in wuhan while chinese are releasing them all in Europe/US.

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It's gotten to the point where every time I go to sleep I feel like I'm waking up in a different dimension that's noticeably more dystopian than the one I went to sleep in.

Good night, and may God bless and keep you all. You are all in my prayers these days. Please consider PMing members you know to be in your region and start doing wellness checks or even making plans to offer aid in a worst case scenario.

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This is a really good explanation by a doctor of what Coronovirus does to the lungs. You can understand how having the right equipment and knowledge can drive down the death rate.

I hope doctors across the nation are getting training. If we go beyond capacity, you might see doctors outside their specialties having to help out. You might see plastic surgeons, dermatologists, pathologists, etc having to pitch in at the ER or ICU. Or in tents in the parking lot.



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I do not get the whole "The establishment is trying to stir up problems with China!" angle.

For the past five years they've been trying to stir up a war against RUSSIA. Simultaneously they've been lambasting and attacking everyone who criticizes the current status quo between China and the US as some kind of isolationist who is just too stupid to understand basic economics. Hell remember Hunter Biden was getting a shit ton of money from China.






The video spin is trying to defend Hunter but their justification is fairly dubious.

Dianne Feinstein had a Chinese Spy driving her around and it was swept under the rug with no corrective action taken.

Recently a Harvard professor was arrested on espionage charges. Again the rest of the matter was swept under the rug.

When Bill was president, the Clintons gave the Chinese secret missile technology and received significant sums of money laundered from the PRC.

It's patently obvious that the establishment is in bed with China. They're not opposed to them in any way shape or form because they think they can make money off the status quo. If anything has changed it has entirely to do with Winnie's belligerence over the last year and his shifting the economy towards an ultranationalist direction that is designed to drive foreign interests out of the country.
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(03-16-2020 09:33 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  I have a feeling shit is hitting the fan here soon.

I am heading back to my hometown about 6 hours from here. The Prime Minister of Canada has a big announcement at 1pm.

If they quarantine the cities I don't want to be stuck here. At the rate things are shutting down the only thing left is for people to panic. There is some truth in that as long as people are busy and in their routines they don't really look up. Once the routine ends people will change quickly.

I'll stop at the bank and try and pull some cash money out

PM has no power to shut down cities as it is his not in his jurisdiction.

PM can control:
Borders
Air travel
Sea/Ports
RCMP
Rail
*Health transfers ($)
*Provincial transfers ($)

PM can bully provinces to shut down non essential business by withholding health funding but that is it. My guess is he will signal border closings and the ramp down of air travel.

Provinces have all the power hear but can't stop interprovincial links outside of thier own borders.

The balance act is to how much you limit without the complete meltdown of tbr economy from it grounding to a hault. .
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Significant jump for a Sunday:

   

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The mayor of Miami has it, I previously posted the video of the Miami Dade school shutdown. The priest clearly was exhibiting symptoms that were fully in-line with having contracted the virus.
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New lows:
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19 members. China released the 19 members of the coronavirus.

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The US has allegedly tried to grab rights to a German coronavirus vaccine by acquiring the company. It has not gone down well.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-healt...SKBN2120IV

Quote:Berlin is trying to stop Washington from persuading a German company seeking a coronavirus vaccine to move its research to the United States, prompting German politicians to insist no country should have a monopoly on any future vaccine.





German government sources told Reuters on Sunday that the U.S. administration was looking into how it could gain access to a potential vaccine being developed by a German firm, CureVac.

Earlier, the Welt am Sonntag German newspaper reported that U.S. President Donald Trump had offered funds to lure CureVac to the United States, and the German government was making counter-offers to tempt it to stay.

Responding to the report, the U.S. ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell, wrote on Twitter: “The Welt story was wrong.”

A U.S. official said: “This story is wildly overplayed ... We will continue to talk to any company that claims to be able to help. And any solution found would be shared with the world.”

A German Health Ministry spokeswoman, confirming a quote in the newspaper, said: “The German government is very interested in ensuring that vaccines and active substances against the new coronavirus are also developed in Germany and Europe.”

“In this regard, the government is in intensive exchange with the company CureVac,” she added.

Welt am Sonntag quoted an unidentified German government source as saying Trump was trying to secure the scientists’ work exclusively, and would do anything to get a vaccine for the United States, “but only for the United States.”

'America First' becomes 'America Only'.
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Denmark just passed a law to allow forced vaccinations:

Quote:The Ministry of Health will now work with the Ministry of Justice on the details of how the police will work with health officials to enforce their demands.

As well as enforcing quarantine measures, the law also allows the authorities to force people to be vaccinated, even though there is currently no vaccination for the virus.

It also empowers them to prohibit access to public institutions, supermarkets and shops, public and private nursing homes and hospitals, and also to impose restrictions on access to public transport.

Initially, the government wanted to the law to give the police the right to enter private homes without a court order if there is a suspicion of coronavirus infection. But this was dropped after opposition from parties in the parliament.

The parliamentary session was itself affected by the pandemic, with only 95 out of 179 MPs present for the vote, efforts made to ensure that MPs kept a safe distance from one another, and MPs voting by standing up.

How will they screen people who go into supermarkets? Will you have to wear a special badge?

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200313/denmark...avirus-law

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(03-16-2020 11:55 AM)Roosh Wrote:  How will they screen people who go into supermarkets? Will you have to wear a special badge?
Maybe with a tattoo or microchip? Confused
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Don't even worry guys, just take your supplements.


(11-15-2014 09:06 AM)Little Dark Wrote:  This thread is not going in the direction I was hoping for.
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The cell phone generation of zombies is about to learn a very harsh lesson as they, and even more so their parents and grandparents start to drop like flies.

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-All borders of Switzerland are being closed to foreigners and only foreigners having a professional reason to come in will be allowed.8000 military personnel will be deployed (their role is not clear yet apart from controlling the border). All bars restaurants and non-essential businesses will be shut until April the 19th. All demonstrations , declared or not , will not be allowed , the only "gathering" allowed will be funerals. There was no such deployment of army since the 2nd WW , said the Swiss defense minister
-Nice (France) Mayor Christian Estrosi got tested positive
-First dead in Portugal.
-UK , Portugal and Germany will hold a press conference today.Macron will speak at 8pm GMT+1. Rumors are that there will be a 45 days total confinement , unclear if it will be for all French territory or for 3 regions only (including Paris region 12 million people). In Germany they are talking about unprecedented high-scale measures.
-The WHO calls every country in the world to start testing people.
-Washington state will enforce STAGE 5 maximum alert (not announced yet). This would be the first time this would be triggered at federal level , which might cause other states to do the same.
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(03-16-2020 11:55 AM)Roosh Wrote:  How will they screen people who go into supermarkets? Will you have to wear a special badge?

Perhaps a mark on their right hand or forehead?
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(03-16-2020 12:09 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  -Washington state will enforce STAGE 5 maximum alert (not announced yet). This would be the first time this would be triggered at federal level , which might cause other states to do the same.



Any details on what this means?
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(03-16-2020 12:21 PM)The Wire Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 12:09 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  -Washington state will enforce STAGE 5 maximum alert (not announced yet). This would be the first time this would be triggered at federal level , which might cause other states to do the same.



Any details on what this means?

I have no clue myself Smile maybe someone knows what Stage 5 means.
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Paraphrased leaked minutes of meetings of the French heads of state from Gallia Daily. Translated by Yandex.
https://telegra.ph/Des-informations-conf...ance-03-16


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Confidential information about the crisis in France
T.me/GalliaDailyMarch 16, 2020


Minutes of several meetings at the head of the French State.


Summary / TL;DR
> There will be a before and an after. The future of the country is in the process of play.


The health crisis is going to be violent, much more so than in other european countries because France has been slow to put in place the appropriate measures.
However, the health crisis will be fairly easily contained term, with a peak reached prior to the month of June normally.
What worries much more is the government and the official services is rather the risk of "dissolution of the Republic" in the long term, that is to say, that this crisis be a catalyst that would fit all political errors, an accelerator, exacerbating tensions in a decisive way.
In other words, the risk is that the State will lose control during the crisis and managed never to resume it later.
For example, the urban containment was to be announced Friday, march 13, but was pushed back a couple of times, using the excuse of election, because the government does not have the means to apply the containment throughout the territory. It will be announced on Monday evening (march 16).
The use of the army is planned in the territory by a transformation of the VIGIPIRATE plan, which is a tip of constitutional law to avoid having to activate the article 13. The army should be primarily used in hospitals and logistics centers, in order to associate the army with an image of "protection" rather than of repression.
However, the lack of loyalty of the army (or rather its lack of voluntarism), is a concern of the government, concerned about not having the means to apply its policy on a large scale.
The potentiality of secession slow of some urban and rural areas, is viewed with great seriousness. This is on a process of medium-term, starting now but taking effect about ten years ago.
Economically, the situation is extremely critical, with destruction of jobs and wealth which will put France in a situation dangling for at least 5 to 10 years. Or even permanently.
In the short term, the fear of the government is the possibility of a bank failure or a "bank run".
A controlled destruction in the short or medium term of the euro area is considered non-final, in order to limit damages and to give a margin of manoeuvre more important to the State to pursue a policy of recovery after the crisis.
The EU seems impossible to save for many officials.
Overall the parliamentary evoke cynically that the only way for France to keep its "place" in the concert of nations, would be to hope that the crisis is even more violence elsewhere. In other words, France is no longer can be saved, but it may be in a situation "less worse" than the other.

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SUMMARY
> Summary

> I) the feeling of The government on the crisis

> II) the implementation of The containment

> III) The risk of "separation"

> IV) The terrorism of opportunity

> V) The place of the army

> VI) The crime

> (VII) The economy

> Conclusion

> Legal Note, sources and contact



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(I) the feeling of The government on the crisis


the government is aware of having lost a precious time, about 7 to 10 days, in the implementation of measures to combat the epidemic.
because of this delay, the entire government is informed on the fact that the epidemic is going to hit France so ultra-violent, visibly much more strong than in Italy or in China.
there is a huge blur about the number of victims expected. The more optimistic are talking of about 30,000 infected. The most pessimistic argue that this figure has been reached, there are more than a week, and that in the future France should be aware of between 90,000 to 300,000 cases. A voice marginally speaks about a contamination of up to several million, between 20% to 40% of the French population.
the government is aware that the lethality of the virus will increase as the hospitals will be overloaded. The 5% rate of lethality given corresponds to an average calculated by taking into account the appropriate treatment. In case of engorgement is complete, the lethality could easily reach 30%.
the government questions already on whether or not to publish a circular to guide the medical teams" to help "to better identify the priority cases". They have mentioned the criteria "italians". It is a question of whether the doctors should have instructions to give priority to the sick, "sauvables" ignoring the sick "doomed" (too old, too ill, whose chances of survival are low even in the case of support).
the government is aware that this last measure, although it would be effective in the long term, it would be impossible to take on politically, or even legally. It was therefore decided for the moment to leave it "to the discretion of physicians", which the government hopes that they will take their own measures without orders, without liability to the government so...
the containment of Paris and 17 other cities in france was initially intended to be declared as soon as Friday evening. Finally pushed back to Saturday. And now Monday night.
Monday night, the capital and the larger cities of France should enter in total containment. Information confirmed by leaks from an exchange of mails between two doctors of the AP-HP.
the question of whether the containment should be extended to the rest of the country directly has not been decided.
However, the containment will be well extended to the rest of the country at one time or another. The only question is if this must take place by gradual stages. Or directly.


II) Implementation of the containment :
the implementation of a total containment of the French territory, has, therefore, been discussed. It would be primarily to the closure of cities, lines, road and rail, to the termination of services of transport non-vital, of the judgment of the logistics non-vital.
in this respect, for example, the postal services would continue their work of delivering the mail, but not parcels. Independent services such as Fed-Ex or Global Relay would be them hanging.
a "party of public services would be maintained". It is not clear which, nor what the term means.
Almost all economic activities would be suspended, with the exception of supermarkets, drive, veterinary clinics and a few other exceptions (ex: stores are allowed to stay open, but to not let that the customers are there to buy gas or food for their animals).


(III) The risk of "separation"


interesting quote "it is important that the French feel that the State is always there. And, therefore, a State arises. Otherwise, it is the implosion. We will return to tribalism, people will organize themselves on the criteria of hate and violence. And once the health crisis has passed, let's face it, the country will be irreconcilable. In some ways this is the future of the country that we are in the process of putting in the game." (Pronounced by a minister of State, it is impossible to specify which one without running the risk of defamation).
it was explicitly mentioned the risk of some suburbs refuse sanitary measures. Or rather to make them inapplicable.
The risk of "secession" as such, seems to be very low in the short term.
However, the authorities are afraid of urban violence and scenes of looting that would make the inevitable operations of police weapon (as heard, a punishment more intense than usual).
the main fear being that a punishment is too fierce attiserait the blaze. While the absence of law enforcement would contribute to the enclaver the territories concerned, because the care services would not be able to get there.
beside this risk of "separation" of the "quarters", it was also mentioned the risk that rural areas begin to function de facto without the State.
this is clearly the scenario feared by most authorities. As villages and small towns organize themselves "in competition with the state's legitimate".
the case of the hunters'often adherents of survivalism and a number of ideas of the extreme right" was mentioned.
it has been suggested that the assumption of disarming a party of hunters in a preventive way. A general officer of the gendarmerie, explained that such a measure would require a minimum of 2 months, while having a limited efficiency (approximately 20% of seizures are effective), and all contributing to create a divorce between the State of the rural population.
a general officer of the army has referred to the idea to include hunters in the device of the emergency, temporarily, citing the example of the "SAS" during the Algerian war. That is to say of citizens that had been armed to enable them to protect their villages. Therefore, a kind of militia the citizen with missions of policing.
the gendarmerie officer said that "the problem was not to have hunters armed" but rather that the problem would come "when it will be necessary to disarm them". As heard : the functions that will be assigned to the hunters, they will not be able to remove them later.
the debate was closed without really making the decision or of the "districts" or "rural areas".
grosso modo the government has recognised that, whatever its provisions, there would be disorders and to make choices. Especially in the long term.


(IV) The terrorism of opportunity
it has been suggested that the hypothesis according to which terrorists could use these events to hit, and try to create a chain reaction
according to the response of the representatives of the intelligence service within the French, it is very unlikely.
they note, however, that the trade WhatsApp that they are watching are actually very agitated. The islamists are looking forward to a divine punishment. The political extremists will be looking forward to a "crisis that will bring down the system".
but obviously, there is no real risk of terrorism in the traditional sense, such a situation is not conducive to the organization of cells as such.
the sub-director of one of the services of the PN note, however, that if the containment measures strict are taken, the part-time unemployment that will result from it will lead the monitoring services of the ISB was to be the first to be affected, compromising, therefore, the capacity of monitoring of the plugged-S.
comment from a member of parliament : "why should we monitor if they have no risk ?"
response dry to the deputy director : "how can we know that they do not represent any risk if you don't mind?"
the parliamentarians note to finish that the means of police maintained must be used on a priority basis, to public-order measures. Not in an anti-gang or anti-terrorist.
the deputy director explained that the real threat is much a threat to long-term, with the risk of extremist religious or political capture of important ways during the crisis, means that they will be able to use later.


(V) The place of the army.


The staff of the Third Division had to work on a report to prepare for a possible use of the military in a modified copy of the Vigipirate plan.
No information on the First Division, but they probably have similar requirements.
The division is the level that is most important of the French armies. A division consists of several brigades, each brigade consists of several regiments. And each regiment consists of several companies autonomous. A division, therefore, represents several tens of thousands of soldiers.
Except in time of war, a division is assumed to be an administrative unit and not a military unit really organized. Parliamentarians have questioned the officers present on the viability of the device professional army (which generally allows for joint exercises between the brigades specialized).
The general officer interviewed wants to be reassuring, explaining that as long as it is mission elementary non-combatants, the units can work together, the challenge is primarily logistics. It raised the possibility of paying a part of the reservists volunteers within GSBdD (antennas logistics of the AdT).
a member has asked what are the means of NRBC of the French armies. Answer : "We are not prepared for a case such as the one we live in. The committed are formed briefly during their initial training to emergency measures and to the use of the Q3F, mainly in the face of the nuclear threat. Ditto for our regiment specialized the 2nd RD, which has focused almost exclusively on the threats related to gas."
un parlementaire interroge pour savoir si l'armée est capable d'autre chose que de missions de surveillance, de distribution et de maintien de l'ordre. Il demande concrètement si l'armée pourrait être utilisée pour de la décontamination ou des mesures médicales.
Réponse : "à l'exception du SSA, dans l'état actuel il est très difficile d'imaginer mobiliser des unités pour autre chose que du maintien de l'ordre, non".  Traduction : les antennes médicales de l'armée peuvent être mobilisées, mais la majorité des régiments ne peuvent être efficaces que pour du maintien de l'ordre élémentaire.
the Vigipirate plan is again summoned as an example. The debate joined legal and constitutional to know if it is possible to use the army without having recourse to article 13. The question is not clear, but the speech is to avoid triggering a panic in activating prematurely an article that "may "tense up the population."
the use of the army would occur in a progressive manner. First around hospitals to protect the "stocks" (not precision, referring to the stocks of masks, the victims of theft ?), and also to associate the mission of the military to that of physicians, and therefore to the missions of "protection" rather than "suppression".
a question is asked on the "morale of the troops". The answer comes from a lieutenant colonel, who makes a parallel with a situation of civil war to explain that it is very difficult to engage when the threat is over the national territory, because the soldiers think first of all to protect their families, directly threatened.
He concluded by explaining that "as the State cannot guarantee the privileged protection of 140,000 military families, the State could not hope to obtain the willingness of these 140.000 military".
The subject is not discussed in more details, but this suggests that the army is not ready to be mobilized, the military was "not willing to go to monitor roads with 800 km of their families, all as affected as others".
The loyalty of the army and his obedience, therefore, is not questioned directly. His legalism seems not to be reached. But its technical capacity and legal mobilisation seems limited.


(VI) The crime.


the question is addressed of whether crime will increase in the event of containment.
a commissioner of the PN auditioned explains that it is probably the reverse will occur. Crime in general will decrease.
on the other hand he explains that the violence of the "crime residual" will be improved. In other words, crimes are less numerous but much more violent.
he evokes, for example, points deals almost deserts in the large crown of paris. But at the same time the number of searches on the internet that increase for weapons. Particularly on the Deep web. It does not specify the public concerned (real criminals eager to pass the act, or people simply concerned about?)
he concluded by explaining that the quiet will greatly depend on the ability of the State to maintain the water supply, but above all, in electricity. He speaks of catharsis, explaining that this is violence "in the screen" that France will avoid the violence "in the street". Of the about fairly obscure which one can interpret as being a call to numb the population by the entertainment, television and/or computer science.
the topic of sexual violence and addressed in a few seconds, a pithy answer "it is obvious" to the question "are they going to increase?".


VI) Economy
a heated discussion took place between parliamentarians and members of the EESC. two visions clash : should we reduce the containment in order to save the economy ? Should we instead just focus on the population even if it means sacrificing business ? Should I find a between the two, promising a year white to the firms using a total containment ? Debate without end.
a member of the EESC asks what is the reality of the virus, its effects, if it will present a risk for a long time, if we'll see "soon the end of the tunnel" ? Another responds dryly that "it is not even yet entered the tunnel...". Big white in the room.
A member of parliament, launched the subject of the Euro, someone asks if it is true that members of the european parliament to discuss a "plan of controlled destruction" of the Euro zone. The subject is evaded. But clearly the largest part of the participants are not able to find any way to reconcile the Euro with a national policy to fight against the virus that is effective without sacrificing neither the population nor the State nor the companies. It is either the Euro or one of the other three. The State may not consider a recovery policy in maintaining the euro as a single currency.
the possibility of a recession is addressed. A parliamentarian explains that "she does not come, it is already there".
a member of the EESC says that the economic crisis triggered by the health crisis will require "rethinking our economic model" and in particular "the place gargantuan and irrational left to the tertiary sector, the sector is unproductive and parasitic of which the resilience is nearly zero".
a parliamentary interrupts him to make him understand that this is not the time to address the subject matter. The member of the EESC argues that the real issues are long-term challenges. And that this is the future of France that is being played.
the assumption of a bank failure (a bank run) is dealt with seriously, but without details. It seems likely. The question is to partially block access to accounts via the internet to limit the banking movements as well as lowering the ceilings of withdrawals from DAB to avoid a panic of investors.
unemployment is mentioned by a member of the EESC considers that the current crisis will destroy a loan of 800,000 jobs in 5 years, well after the end of the epidemic. It does not cite its method of calculation, but no one contradicts or does not seem surprised.
the French economy seems impossible to relaunch without the intervention of the State and, therefore, without an exit from the Euro, which is again denounced by some. The subject is again alluded to.
a question is asked on the strength and resistance of the "digital economy". A first member of the EESC meets tongue-in-cheek that "the digital is built on the sand", another picks it up, stating that "the digital only works with physical flows, now these flows have stopped, Amazon or Rakuten have beautiful receive orders, they will not be able to deliver on the country is confined". Summary : the e-commerce sites have over-performed at the beginning of the crisis, but will quickly find no opportunities of sale to sell their consumer goods.


CONCLUSION
The French State is aware that the health crisis will be difficult. Where the pending announcement of the containment of a part of the country, then the use of the army, first to insure protection missions.
But the State fears mainly the consequences of political, economic and social epidemic. The long-term.
The idea that recurs most often is that "the State must hold good" ; because the government was aware that the control that he will lose during this crisis, he will lose it permanently or even permanently. Even long after the epidemic. Somehow, it is the credibility and the authority of the State is at stake, for the future.
this crisis is referred to by some as a "black swan", a "zero point", a "beginning" or as "the'epilogue of the short Twenty-first century began in 2001 and ended less than 20 years later". It all depends on the views and political persuasion.
But overall, there's a real awareness by the State of the historic episode that is now playing for the country, with the cleavages and the dynamics of the long-term that will arise in the next few weeks.

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(03-16-2020 12:09 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  -Washington state will enforce STAGE 5 maximum alert (not announced yet). This would be the first time this would be triggered at federal level , which might cause other states to do the same.



Any details on what this means?

I have no clue myself Smile maybe someone knows what Stage 5 means.

Found this;

Level 3 would mean involuntary isolation and quarantine, and Level 4 would including mandatory cancellation of major public events and large private gatherings. Level 5 is what Italy has imposed, including preventing non-emergency travel outside the home, and sealing a specific geographic boundary.

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/coronaviru...le-events/


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(03-16-2020 12:09 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  -Washington state will enforce STAGE 5 maximum alert (not announced yet). This would be the first time this would be triggered at federal level , which might cause other states to do the same.



Any details on what this means?

I have no clue myself Smile maybe someone knows what Stage 5 means.

It's because the virus is a stage 5 clinger. Can't get rid of this bitch without having lots of toilet paper.

I doubt it. Remember that your lower level, millenial leftist isn't good at critical thinking. They're largely like trained dogs who emote in response to programmed cues like the word "racism" and "socialism". Easy_C

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This is getting out of hand guys! We will lose our basic freedoms permanently if this continues, just as I feared would happen. Do you really think that once this eventually dies down, things will go back to "normal?" No way...we`ll see a much more aggressive handling of citizens by Governments in Western nations. Common sense measures are out the window, now it`s full of fascism and terror.

I started a thread in the late travel section called; "The age of mass tourism might be coming to an end." (or something similar) Well, I certainly didn`t predict this scenario, but I think I was right there. Things will not return to normal after this is over.

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Reminds me eerily of 9/11. Everything that was normal and freedom oriented will be further taken from the population.

Is that what you mean?

I doubt it. Remember that your lower level, millenial leftist isn't good at critical thinking. They're largely like trained dogs who emote in response to programmed cues like the word "racism" and "socialism". Easy_C

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(03-16-2020 11:48 AM)rotekz Wrote:  The US has allegedly tried to grab rights to a German coronavirus vaccine by acquiring the company. It has not gone down well.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-healt...SKBN2120IV

Quote:Berlin is trying to stop Washington from persuading a German company seeking a coronavirus vaccine to move its research to the United States, prompting German politicians to insist no country should have a monopoly on any future vaccine.





German government sources told Reuters on Sunday that the U.S. administration was looking into how it could gain access to a potential vaccine being developed by a German firm, CureVac.

Earlier, the Welt am Sonntag German newspaper reported that U.S. President Donald Trump had offered funds to lure CureVac to the United States, and the German government was making counter-offers to tempt it to stay.

Responding to the report, the U.S. ambassador to Germany, Richard Grenell, wrote on Twitter: “The Welt story was wrong.”

A U.S. official said: “This story is wildly overplayed ... We will continue to talk to any company that claims to be able to help. And any solution found would be shared with the world.”

A German Health Ministry spokeswoman, confirming a quote in the newspaper, said: “The German government is very interested in ensuring that vaccines and active substances against the new coronavirus are also developed in Germany and Europe.”

“In this regard, the government is in intensive exchange with the company CureVac,” she added.

Welt am Sonntag quoted an unidentified German government source as saying Trump was trying to secure the scientists’ work exclusively, and would do anything to get a vaccine for the United States, “but only for the United States.”

'America First' becomes 'America Only'.

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