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Advice: Dealing with Powerful Gammas
Question: What’s the best tactics and techniques in dealing with an incompetent Gamma authority figure?

Background: I’m occasionally required to pass an issue to a particular leader for resolution. This particular person literally occupies their position solely based on politics, rather than merit. They are known to be lazy and regularly ill-informed. I believe they are a “fake Alpha” (Gamma) based upon their continuous dishonesty. We don’t get along & I’m not sure how to deal with the situation.

So far, I have approached the situation this way: salute the office, not the man (ex: Sgt. Winters from Band of Brothers).

Thoughts?
03-14-2020 07:46 PM
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That's all you can do, unfortunately, and work towards moving either up or out. Definitely consider the latter. If your workplace is the kind of place that enables incompetent people to hold positions of power you'll probably have a difficult time moving up, and will have to deal with more such people regardless, and is that the kind of place you really want to be anyways?
03-14-2020 08:15 PM
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My area is not academia, but has some of the same issues: being overrun by SJWs ideologues and snakes. SJWism operates with female “logic” at its core: feelz > reelz. This “philosophy” attracts bluehairs and weak Gamma males. Those types really seem to enjoy hating on straight white men.

I think your fundamental answer is correct—up or out—with the latter being the only realistic option for me. Luckily, I have other responsibilities that permit me to minimize contact with that person. It’s tragic because I’m good at my job but the individuals that the Gamma likes are just snakes and their gasslighting (up is down—down is up) never works on me..... I wonder if this is what happened as the Reds took over in Russia and China (millions of death by starvation and incompetence...)?

Anyways, I think a consequence of Game will be learning how to counteract the blowback from an increasingly feminized culture.
03-14-2020 11:24 PM
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RE: Advice: Dealing with Powerful Gammas
I suppose you have to hide your power level if you want to get anywhere, corporations especially.

Insightful advice above, either he's not quite as incompetent as you suspect or else it's a sign of a shakey foundation.

In communist societies (eastern bloc from personal stories) you really had to stfu and pretend to be on board with atheism and things of that nature. It feels like we're approaching this unfortunately. Lose the battle but win the war?
03-14-2020 11:32 PM
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We have a similar situation at the company I work for, with our recently promoted engineering manager. He's an intelligent guy and in his area of expertise (quality, standards, documentation), he is quite competent. However, when it comes to engineering and design, he is not, yet, he micromanages and lies through his teeth to cover up the BS he's told regarding topics he has no clue about. The guy will not heed the advice of those of us with the expertise. Those of us in the engineering group have adopted the rope feeding philosophy, as it's the only real option.
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03-15-2020 10:31 AM
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RE: Advice: Dealing with Powerful Gammas
Alphas and Gammas are often both intelligent. But, the attributes that we associate with masculine men—duty, honor, virtue, honesty—are missing in the Gamma due to their dishonesty (they—like SJWs—replace real virtue with fake virtue—“tolerance, acceptance,” etc...).

Another reason I suspect Gammatude is that he thinks like a woman: feelings & appearances dictate facts and outcomes. He also seems to defer & pedestalize women & to nurse grudges. I rarely have problems with real Alphas. My SSH is a probably a high delta/low beta.

I think the same thing must have happened when the Bolsheviks took over, pushing out masculine men. For example, compare someone like Beria (secret police) to a man like Zhukov (war hero Alpha male who they had to keep in order to defeat the Nazis). That’s oil and water... Those creeps push out virtuous men & society pays the price (ex: mega-Gamma, Hitler).

It’s also interesting to hear random stories of men “pulling back,” living simply (ex: Roman McClay) & doing their own thing. That must be the mechanism of how society slows & then collapses—the men pull away; Atlas shrugs. The corollary is that you cannot deny or pervert the socio-sexual hierarchy (SSH) without courting disaster—we find our place based on merit & competition.

I’m happy that I have some freedom to reduce contact with that person. Like everyone is saying—this is becoming common (due to feminization). Men also need to have “Plan B and C” options as organizations get infiltrated.
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03-15-2020 10:45 AM
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Fellas, it just hit me: the “fix” was the duel!

That’s why men could challenge other men with physical violence—gammas run from physical conflict.

No dueling & no bullying leads to a surplus of gammas.

Direct conflict 100% resolves SSH questions.
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03-15-2020 12:03 PM
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(03-14-2020 11:24 PM)Magnus Stout Wrote:  I wonder if this is what happened as the Reds took over in Russia and China (millions of death by starvation and incompetence...)?

I think Kel poted an article on this in another thread: https://spandrell.com/2017/11/14/biological-leninism/

One of the best articles I have read.

I've heard about the same in numerous companies - where obedience gets rewarded over competence. I've always found it disgusting if someone buttered up to me; but there are others who love it. For these gamma managers to get into position suggests that the owners/board are of a similar disposition.

The only time I have experienced this is in school. My school was bizarrely favourtist based on the pupils teachers liked. I was dumped in the dumb classes after getting As in exams. While those who sucked up the most got to stay in the top classes. One friend was a literal genius, likely with a 160 IQ, competing academically on the national level. He also got dumped in a dumb class. After complaining it took him about 6 weeks top get bunked back up where he belonged. While a straight C student and suck up was moved up immediately. Others who were dumped in the dumb classes ended up getting an A in maths, which was the toughest grade to get. When I was dumped in to the dumb class I worked hard, should have got As, but got Cs. So I never did much work after that. I also decided to be honest and just say I hadn't done my homework - detention. While those who hadn't but fawned at the teachers feet were let off. Not doing the homework wasn't the issue. It was not kissing the ring.

There were some teachers who put in extra hours to improve the school. These were quite harshly disrespected as they were seen as slaves who did free work. While the grandees could swan about, preening their feathers that they were the in-set.

The alumni network is filled with the students who were teachers' pets and those who will grovel at their feet. The alumni offices are unpaid, but there is a huge scrabble for position, to sidle up that odd hierarchy. The hierarchy is bizarre. It's not really apparent how to climb it. But it's full of self-congratulation and back slapping - "We are here." as the top beans in the alumni network. Furthering yourself is solely based on finding the highest status peacock who will allow you to carry their coat tails. You must then wait for others to die to ride your way up.

Another facet is that as soon as you have no use, you become expendable. One teacher, who was one of the worst, but gave a lot of his time to raise the profile of the school and worked their all his adult life. After leaving he came back to school one day for dinner and was told he couldn't have any and had to leave.

One member of staff, who was financially important, had been offered a job by the head governor. He wanted to poach them for his own company. But when they became terminally ill he hounded them out of the school.

After I left I was given a job to do by the school, unpaid. But it was quickly taken from me, because some grandee wanted to pick their underling to do it. Their work turned out to be useless. As a way of smoothing things over I was thrown another job and was told I would be paid for it. I did it and was never paid.

I suspect your organisation will be the same. It's run by someone/people who want to be affirmed and who are obedient. You value something other than money/the company if you pick such managers.

Quote:People in darkness do not want to come to the light lest they are exposed.
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