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RE: "I Have Coronavirus/Cold/Flu Symptoms" thread
I'm glad to hear you've had improvement, Dr. Howard.

If you're sleeping so much I would make sure you practice deep breathing and coughing exercises regularly to discourage bacterial pneumonia arising. You can find various doctors giving tutorials on youtube.

Day 14. Normal temperature on awakening, 99% blood oxygen. Body feels slightly-tired, like it's finished a long period of hard work or exercise and finally-settled. Cough is now only now and then, and is producing clear sputum. Once again, I'll see how a walk affects temperature soon. I expect a half-degree jump: a coolish shower seems to be the quickest way to get it under control.

I wrote in the last few days my healthy body temperature has been consistently 35.9 for decades, rather than the believed standard of 36.9, so doctors can't always tell when I'm feverish, and they always assume I don't know what I'm talking about. Looks like some new research came out in January - our body temperatures have changed since the 1800's.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/if-you...r-BB11ivhR

I'd suggest it would be good to know what your usual temperature is before symptoms kick in.
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I spoke with My Oldest Brother Today. Mid 50s smoker.

A Couple of weeks ago he had to work in tight quarters with a travelling contractor for 3 straight days at his factory who had previously been in Panama. He refused to shake the guys hand but apparently he was coughing a lot. So this seems to be how he got it.

Most Recently he:
- Had a fever (which has since subsided)
- Diarreia (since last Thursday - 5 days now)
- Cough
- A difficulty taking deep breath
- A strange taste in his mouth he has never experienced
- Numbness in his face (today only, but this is new)

He waited for 5 hours to dial into the Ontario public health number, only to be told to stay home and that there was no treatment. If he gets bad he can go to the hospital.

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RE: "I Have Coronavirus/Cold/Flu Symptoms" thread
Good news on that fever NoMoreTo!

Diarrhea is in a low number of cases
Cough is typical especially dry.
Also typical.
Metallic?
Does he suffer from any type of stress or neurological issues?

Any medications he's taking? Any other medical issues?

Stay safe.
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(03-17-2020 02:37 PM)fiasco360 Wrote:  Good news on that fever NoMoreTo!

Diarrhea is in a low number of cases
Cough is typical especially dry.
Also typical.
Metallic?
Does he suffer from any type of stress or neurological issues?

Any medications he's taking? Any other medical issues?

Stay safe.

He says taste is not metallic. Its a 'warm' taste. He has virtual appointment with work doctor tomorrow morning.

I don't know his full medical situation but generally healthy other than being a smoker, and one round with testicular cancer. Hopefully he pulls through

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Day 11:

Feeling a lot better, normal sleep cycle, low differentiation in meal/non meal time blood sugar feeling. All numbers good. I've been doing the deep breathing exercises recommended by AB (no forced coughing) when I go for walks and they have been great, also helps to calm anxiety.

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03-18-2020 09:51 AM
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RE: "I Have Coronavirus/Cold/Flu Symptoms" thread
Was that actually covid?

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(03-18-2020 01:39 PM)Bury Zenek Wrote:  Was that actually covid?

No idea, and I'm not going to get tested. Things that do match were the incubation time and breathing problems. Things that don't match were the blood sugar issues. I still have low energy and don't feel like I'm breathing at full capacity.

Fever is also a misnomer, there is a Dr. on twitter that is going on 10 days infected with pneumonia but no fever.

Influenza A is also still very active in my area, the local health agency finally released a statistic update for it and its still high.

All I can conclude is that I was sick with something that had respiratory symptoms, with an incubation time that matched Covid for when I got exposed, and I can pinpoint the exposure.

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So if you got tested with one of these bullshit tests you'd be qualified as Covid infected. Boom, another one to the statistic.

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(03-18-2020 01:45 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  All I can conclude is that I was sick with something that had respiratory symptoms, with an incubation time that matched Covid for when I got exposed, and I can pinpoint the exposure.

Here's a description by multiple people by what their experience was:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/i-w...ailsignout

...Which suggests although you and I have very different symptoms, we both had different reactions to the same virus. I suspect a friend of mine is carrying it without showing any major symptoms, like the couple in that article. You also have to understand I'm incredibly-resilient due to a period of extreme ill health in my 20's, so what might lay a normal person out in bed needing to rest, won't for me. Yes, I feel terrible, but it's not unusual for me to take a 50 minute walk with a cane during a vertigo attack. I'm not saying that to brag. If anything, that should give people who are fearing permanent lung damage hope: you adapt.

I'm not sure who the doctor is on twitter, but all the data shows that fever is the most common sign of it, particularly at onset. Seems I'm in the 22% of people who get the low grade, constant fever. I feel incredibly-hot even though I'm only fluctuating between .5 to 1 degree higher than normal.

Day 15. Temperature was up again this morning by 0.4 degrees. Lungs feel good. 99% SP02. Made three walks yesterday. Temperature spiked in morning, lungs felt cold. Was quite mentally active last night. I expect the fever to persist up to Day 19 or so. The Wuhan Patients who survived were released on Day 21, on average. That article suggests symptoms after diagnosis for 10-16 days. WHO is saying it runs 3-6 weeks on average, 6 being the 1% of severe cases.

Just saw this, severity of symptoms maybe be related to blood type:

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/peo...ailsignout
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Day 12: Mild changes

Same as day 11, except my wife made pizza for dinner and it laid me out. Nausea, weak, etc. Its not unusual for that to happen to me when I've come down with the flu or other things when I have been sick before

mild, humid air outside today which makes it great for walking and breathing exercises.

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This is the feed for the Dr. doing updates on his progression with the virus https://twitter.com/yaletung?ref_src=tws...twitter%2F

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Day 16. Still 0.4 degree elevation of body temperature. 99% SP02. It was a warm day yesterday so i opened all the doors and windows to circulate the air. Spike in temperature of a 1 degree by evening and felt lousy. I didn't run the humidifier all day, but felt worse for it, so ran it again when I went to bed. Occassional cough, slightly-irritated throat - think it's reflux. First loose bowel movement, urine still showing vitamin C being passed - I think I no longer need the excessive dose and will likely dial it back today. I expect these problems to persist for another 3-4 days.

Dr Howard: with the nausea, it might be worth asking your girlfriend to make up what is known as a convalescent soup. Recipes vary but are usually simple, and should be online. My go-to one is chicken, leek, barley and vegetable stock: the barley can be precooked or microwaved first. My normal soups and stews are very complex, but that one is easy to eat and digest when you're very unwell. I would also recommend if single people don't yet show symptoms it would be worth making and freezing it now so you can easily-reheat it when you're in the period of symptoms restricting your strength.

There are complete meal replacements available from chemists for ill / elderly people in powdered form. You mix it with water / milk and drink it and it solidifies in your stomach. I once lived on it for four months after a botched throat operation until they could surgically-correct it. I lost some weight, but got through it. I'm not sure about current availability, given the panic buying. I bought one tin a week over the first three weeks of February assuming people I know might be too ill to eat solid foods.
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Yeah you can buy the meal replacements from amazon. Its not as tasty or probably as healthy as eating real food, but you can probably survive indefinitely on it.

Stuff like this?

https://www.amazon.com/Orgain-Organic-Pr...PR0PT4VMT5

I've never tried this particular brand but occasionally buy the euqivalent in the supermarket for when I don't have time to prepare a real meal or even heat up a frozen dinner/tv dinner

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^ I'm going to be unfamiliar with foreign brands of this sort of thing. You want medical products aimed at long term convalescent care rather than 'health shakes' / 'meal replacements' for weight loss. I use this:

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Note it has fibre to keep your bowel moving, and pro-biotics for if antibiotics have hit your gut flora.

If milk is lacking, it's tolerable with water, unless you're overly-precious.

It will fill you up.
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So...I’m now thinking it is likely I had this in January. Without giving away too much I live one the largest East Coast Asian communities. At the beginning of January one of my kids suffered a minor dislocation (that’s very common for toddlers) and we had to bring them into the ER because I did know at the time how to re-set the joint at home and didn’t want to risk screwing it up. We waited for almost an hour in a waiting room in which were a couple of Coofers.

About a week later I developed symptoms with a cough, a low grade fever, and intense sweats/chills combined with a pounding headache. These symptoms were so bad that I had to take off days from work even though I was already on a remote work project. After three days I was able to work. After about 4-5 days my cough was no longer dry although it persisted for about four weeks after and I have experienced elevated mucus production (building up in my throat and nasal cavities overnight especially) that lasted until mid February.


After speaking with some other people in the community a lot of other people had an illness with the same symptoms and it began immediately after Chinese kids started returning to the US after Holiday breaks.


I think the odds are good this thing already made the rounds in these areas.
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Doublepost:

Something very important I forgot to mention is that everyone else who had my symptoms tested negative for influenza
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Doublepost:

Something very important I forgot to mention is that everyone else who had my symptoms tested negative for influenza
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Evening of Day 16. I've been coughing-deeply today after the breathing exercises. Brought up small amounts of clear, thin phlegm. Rather than feeling like I'm trying to cough up something bigger, this more feels like... the lungs spring cleaning themselves.

Tonight's walk didn't spike my temperature at all: first time effort or exercise didn't do that this since started.

I've gotten so used to doing the walk with the lungs having to work harder from wearing a mask that I don't want to stop. It's a better workout. I've seen guys doing high altitude training at the gym, and I'm tempted to become a convert now.

Of course, the media chooses to report that style of training their own way:



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(03-20-2020 01:50 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  So...I’m now thinking it is likely I had this in January.

About a week later I developed symptoms with a cough, a low grade fever, and intense sweats/chills combined with a pounding headache. These symptoms were so bad that I had to take off days from work even though I was already on a remote work project. After three days I was able to work. After about 4-5 days my cough was no longer dry although it persisted for about four weeks after and I have experienced elevated mucus production (building up in my throat and nasal cavities overnight especially) that lasted until mid February.

(03-20-2020 02:03 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  Doublepost:

Something very important I forgot to mention is that everyone else who had my symptoms tested negative for influenza

I had something similar at the same time. Flu-like symptoms you describe plus extremely painful body aches. Tested negative for flu but doc prescribed Tamiflu anyway since those test frequently give a false negative...didn't help. I didn't go back to my doc but he speculated it might have been Mono. I still have a slight bronchitis cough that I typically get for a month after a bad illness.
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Day 13: slept well, temperature and SPO2 numbers are unchanged and normal for me. Only symptom is modest weakness, as in household activities are not a problem but I don't feel like I could go for a long afternoon hike.

AB+others good advice on the convalescent soup and/or old people shakes. I have also read that some people will stock up on baby food for the same purpose. Yesterday and today my wife switched my meals to very bland things like oatmeal and apples and I felt a lot better.

It is a good point as to something that we overlooked on stocking up. We stocked up with food for people in good health, not really for someone who is sick...which is quite an oversight if you are preparing for pandemic isolation.

If Day 14 is another no change day I'll probably cease updates as I'll consider myself recovered.

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Very glad to hear you're doing better, Dr Howard. Give your body a few days to recover before doing anything too strenuous.

Morning of Day 17: I didn't take the night Vitamin C dose. I've risen with a normal body temperature. Feel 'a long day working' tired, but not sick. Breathing is very good. Likewise, I consider myself through the storm and will no longer update.

For everyone else, my two warnings for if you get this would be:

- You will go up and down in strength and ability.

- You might also not be able to cook or desire to eat anything complex.
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(03-20-2020 02:06 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Very glad to hear you're doing better, Dr Howard. Give your body a few days to recover before doing anything too strenuous.

Morning of Day 17: I didn't take the night Vitamin C dose. I've risen with a normal body temperature. Feel 'a long day working' tired, but not sick. Breathing is very good. Likewise, I consider myself through the storm and will no longer update.

For everyone else, my two warnings for if you get this would be:

- You will go up and down in strength and ability.

- You might also not be able to cook or desire to eat anything complex.

AB, thanks for all your help. When you were sick how many grams of Vitamin C were you taking a day on average?
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(03-20-2020 02:12 PM)It_is_my_time Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 02:06 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Very glad to hear you're doing better, Dr Howard. Give your body a few days to recover before doing anything too strenuous.

Morning of Day 17: I didn't take the night Vitamin C dose. I've risen with a normal body temperature. Feel 'a long day working' tired, but not sick. Breathing is very good. Likewise, I consider myself through the storm and will no longer update.

For everyone else, my two warnings for if you get this would be:

- You will go up and down in strength and ability.

- You might also not be able to cook or desire to eat anything complex.

AB, thanks for all your help. When you were sick how many grams of Vitamin C were you taking a day on average?

Note I was megadosing, but not to the extremes Strangelight is talking about, because I have bowel issues and wanted to play it safe. A lesson I've learnt from God over the last few months is not to do things in excess or defect, but follow the golden mean.

I followed the Shanghai Plan that was formulated by their government. This was suggested for IV use, which is said to be 10x more effective, but there was some discussion of studying oral trials for ease of distribution.

6x1 gram per hour to start.

Then 50 to 100 mg / kg per day. I'm 100 kgs, so, started on the lowest end to determine bowel toleration. I never took more that 3x2 gram doses per day, thinking I'd hit the upper extremes only if symptoms got worse.

Side effects were reflux and resultant chest pain. The lack of bowel reaction and it not being detectable in urine made me think it was being used. Now I've improved - the Wuhan data suggests this is the likely window for a survivor - I'm getting loose stools and seeing it discolour and change the scent of the urine, and will dial it back to 1 g per day, since I have it.

As the data suggests, I'll remain 6 more days in isolation, to complete the three weeks.

As someone who is immuno-compromised, I'd only consider this a moderate illness. Based on the factual data of who gets sick, and who ends up intubated, I'm very, very suspicious of the government overreaction to this.
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(03-20-2020 02:06 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Very glad to hear you're doing better, Dr Howard. Give your body a few days to recover before doing anything too strenuous.

Morning of Day 17: I didn't take the night Vitamin C dose. I've risen with a normal body temperature. Feel 'a long day working' tired, but not sick. Breathing is very good. Likewise, I consider myself through the storm and will no longer update.

For everyone else, my two warnings for if you get this would be:

- You will go up and down in strength and ability.

- You might also not be able to cook or desire to eat anything complex.

AB, thanks for all your help. When you were sick how many grams of Vitamin C were you taking a day on average?

Note I was megadosing, but not to the extremes Strangelight is talking about, because I have bowel issues and wanted to play it safe. A lesson I've learnt from God over the last few months is not to do things in excess or defect, but follow the golden mean.

I followed the Shanghai Plan that was formulated by their government. This was suggested for IV use, which is said to be 10x more effective, but there was some discussion of studying oral trials for ease of distribution.

6x1 gram per hour to start.

Then 50 to 100 mg / kg per day. I'm 100 kgs, so, started on the lowest end to determine bowel toleration. I never took more that 3x2 gram doses per day, thinking I'd hit the upper extremes only if symptoms got worse.

Side effects were reflux and resultant chest pain. The lack of bowel reaction and it not being detectable in urine made me think it was being used. Now I've improved - the Wuhan data suggests this is the likely window for a survivor - I'm getting loose stools and seeing it discolour and change the scent of the urine, and will dial it back to 1 g per day, since I have it.

As the data suggests, I'll remain 6 more days in isolation, to complete the three weeks.

As someone who is immuno-compromised, I'd only consider this a moderate illness. Based on the factual data of who gets sick, and who ends up intubated, I'm very, very suspicious of the government overreaction to this.

Awesome, thank you for the information, it is greatly appreciated to pass on if anyone I know gets sick.

One good thing in all of this is I think we all have a better idea of how to heal ourselves going forward.
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Oh...My....Lord...


And it turns out...

Do you all remember how I'd mentioned sitting in a waiting room for an hour with some Coofers around?


It was in the exact same hospital that is now the epicenter of the New Jersey outbreak.
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