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RE: "I Have Coronavirus/Cold/Flu Symptoms" thread
I fear I am in the early stages of something as my neighbors have been coughing for days and seem to have self isolated, as they usually are not home much, but have been here.

Could be all kinds of things, but I've slept 12 hours a night for the last 2 nights, which is extremely uncommon for me, as I struggle to get even 8 usually. In addition, I've had cold sweats today. Feel extremely cold on feet, while sweating on thorax, or sweating while shivering. No fever though, but I remember 2 years ago I had similar, before the outbreak. I also have some soreness on breathing about 1-2 inches below the collarbone. I'm guessing bronchial soreness. Could be GERD from the Vit c, which seem to be causing bloating and nausea, but not diareha.

I've upped the vit c intake to 8 grams and pr. suggestions from AB gone away from Ibuprofen and only going to do paracetemol and aspirin(safe?)
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RE: "I Have Coronavirus/Cold/Flu Symptoms" thread
Aspirin is similar to ibuprofen (anti inflammatory)

Stick to paracetemol

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If you can bear the fever, do so. It's your body's way of killing the virus.

My recovery wasn't linear. I thought I was doing okay then the next day I got worse. There were far more ups and downs than a normal recovery from a simple cold or flu.

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^ No. Aspirin is an NSAID, and also thins your blood.

You want Acetaminophen (Panadol, Paracetamol, Tylenol). Understand Pain relief won't be as good. Your symptoms (shivering, being extremely cold) I haven't seen discussed in the reports on this. Though symptoms vary, the common tell is the sudden fever from day 1, even if it's mild. I was digging with a shovel, suddenly felt really hot and had to go inside to sit down. Noticed I had a slight fever and was surprised it wasn't higher. I've been using a wet face washer to try and cool myself down. I've only been a degree up at most, but feel incredibly-hot and the idea of getting hotter from eating even put me off stew a few nights.

The breathing soreness sounds like GERD, which seems to be my only negative reaction to Ascorbic Acid so far. No major bowel problems, no bloating, no nausea.

It's possible you have a more serious flu. I'd advise seeing a doctor, in case it is something else. Let us know what happens.
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RE: "I Have Coronavirus/Cold/Flu Symptoms" thread
I'm thinking I may have COVID-19. For the past few days I've felt shortness of breath and a slight dry cough, mostly at night. I have been megadosing vitamin c, so the symptoms are mild. Also a bit of a runny nose and sore throat. Pretty scary so many of us are showing possible symptoms, but it doesn't seem too bad for healthy adults.
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It’s definitely reassuring to hear people in the forum are taking all the precautions they can and are working on building better diets, supplementation, hygiene and other daily habits - while others out in the world are using this as an excuse to party or drink (like what is happening in parts of Paris and elsewhere).

Let’s also bear in mind that just because Covid19 is dominating the headlines it doesn’t mean the rest of the various bugs and viruses that go around have taken a holiday. Colds will still cold. And flu will still flu. There is a strong statistical chance that your symptoms are caused by one of the existing illnesses - so take the necessary precautions but keep your cool.

Be safe out there, be prepared and don’t panic!
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RE: "I Have Coronavirus/Cold/Flu Symptoms" thread
I posted a slightly different version of this on the coronavirus thread, but I think an updated version was warranted on this one that others may find useful.

For Adults
If you're sick but not extremely ill, then it's best to stay home and not go to the doctor/ER, just tough it out with home comfort meds.
What's the definition of ill: despite only taking small sips of fluid, you can't keep anything down and become dehydrated, i.e. sunken eyes, dry lips, capillary refill longer than 3 seconds. Also for things like a severe pounding headache unrelieved by medications, profound shortness of breath, rapid breathing, uncontrolled temp over 104, altered consciousness, weak pulse, etc. This list isn't exhaustive but just a few main ones. Don't try to self diagnose, but if you are really going down hill then look up signs for sepsis. If you're even slightly convinced then err on the side of caution.

If you don't have a thermometer, no big deal -- you'll know even if you don't know exactly. For other signs you can count your respirations (12-20/minute is normal) and take a pulse (60-100/min). An item I've recently purchased is a pulse oximeter that was fairly cheap at 29 dollars for feedback that you can't get otherwise. 97-100% is normal. Anything below 95 should be cause for concern, especially if you take deep breaths and it still doesn't rise, and you're having difficulty breathing and/or shortness of breath.

In addition to dehydration, secondary infections with this illness namely in the lungs is the big concern and killer. I'd advise NOT to suppress your cough except when you need to get rest -- rest that you'll surely need. Otherwise it's good to cough. Every 2 hours you can do coughing and deep breathing exercises. Take 3-4 deep breaths, then force yourself to cough twice x 2. If you are coughing up green sputum from your lungs (not post nasal drainage mucus) then call or see your doctor. As with sepsis, look up and be familiar with symptoms of pneumonia. I'd list them here but honestly they overlap with a number of other illnesses. You really need more tests to diagnose. Some people have mild symptoms and are surprised, and others feel like a truck hit them. It's just very hard to say.

Prop your your head and upper body up with pillows when you sleep, and that will help reduce post nasal drip symptoms.

As for medications at home, my go-to is Nyquil cold/flu liquid. Watch your acetaminophen intake if you're taking this because it generally already has acetaminophen. Definitely don't want to overdose accidentally.


For those on here with kids:
Temps in the 104 range and above are to be of concern and to seek care. Everything below is just managing for comfort. The main things with kids are: are they drinking plenty of fluids, mucus membrane moist, producing at least 4-6 diapers a day, responsive to stimulation/touch and then how do they overall look? Kids like adults likely won’t eat much when sick, so don't worry that much if that decreases. Electrolyte and clean water hydration is most important. Like with adults, a fever due to a virus isn’t so much the concern — the big concern is secondary infections and/or dehydration.

Of note, babies (especially girls) may not have a viral infection, they may have a bacterial urinary tract infection. Girls and uncircumcised boys are most susceptible. If you find they're fussy/unconsolable, fevers but with no nasal congestion or other symptom of an upper respiratory infection, then it's possible it's a UTI. Viral illness and UTIs are the most common causes of illness in otherwise healthy kids, and they definitely need to get treated for a UTI.

Sleeping more is natural when they’re sick so don't be too alarmed. Not being able to arouse them, as in true lethargy, so you can get them to drink enough is cause for concern.

1 febrile seizure is for the most part is benign. Call your pediatrician. Multiple in short periods is of concern, and if they happen two or more days in a row even if just once. For this seek care. Again, control temp after 104 especially to avoid a febrile seizure. Temps below that are "okay" and can be beneficial somewhat; it’ll just be uncomfortable for them. This is presuming it's a viral illness causing the temp. Call your pediatrician before rushing them to the ER.

Dehydration and circling the drain:
If your kid is vomiting and/or having diarrhea, give smaller and more frequent drinks.
If they can’t get hydrated after that, you notice dry lips, lack of tears, etc., producing only 1 diaper in an 8 hour periods back to back, then seek the ER. If you feel comfortable, you can press on their finger tips or even on their chest. It should turn white then back to pink or red in 2 seconds or less. 3 seconds is on the line. Anything more than 3 seconds means they’re not hydrated enough. Keep in mind, kids don't have as big of a window when they're dehydrated or have a bacterial infection. They will compensate for a time, however once their energy is gone they can very quickly go down hill. They just don't have the reserves adults do.

Meds:
Also babies less than 12 months should not take Motrin -- or rather that's how we practiced medicine where I've worked. Babies 3 months or younger should be taken to the ER for low grade temps of 100.4
It’s much more concerning when the really young ones get temps. Call your doctor if your child has had difficult to control temps of 103 for 2-3 days. Know how to weight dose tylenol and discuss with your peds doctor alternating giving tylenol and motrin based on their age/weight -- presuming they're over 12 months.

Final thoughts:
I’ve taken care of thousands of babies/kids that didn’t need to be in the ER. They looked happy, had great color, bright eyes, drinking fluids, etc. Granted, they were a little fussy, had temps of 102/103 range and maybe some emesis or diarrhea, but they did not need to be in the ER. While you don't want to miss something when your kid is really ill, you also don't want to expose them unnecessarily to a barrage of tests and other pathogens from all of the other sick people.

Try not to get too obsessed with their temp -- it's a symptom obviously. But more importantly is what's causing the fever, how ill do they look and are they staying hydrated? In addition to the above, use the parental instinct. When a baby is ill they very much look ill, and even before they look ill if your gut is telling you to take them in right away, then I'd suggest listening to that. These are just some thoughts, guidelines and experience I've gained after 11 years as an ER nurse so take it as you will. This is not a fully exhaustive deep dive, but just some generals that you all hopefully find useful.

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RE: "I Have Coronavirus/Cold/Flu Symptoms" thread
Great post, Mbare.

That reminds me: I meant to write earlier to not take a cough suppressant if you do start producing coloured-phlegm. You don't want the phlegm sitting in your lungs and getting infected. You want to start inhaling steam and using a cough expectorant. One of the times I ended up with pneumonia is because an idiot doctor told me to use Benadryl regularly as a sleep aid.

A common one is Bromhexine Hydrochloride, commonly called Bisolven, which is available in liquid or tablet form. It's sweet enough for children.

A very cheap old fashioned treatment is a Senega & Ammonia mixture, which kids would struggle with. It's a similar taste to aniseed, and you can buy double the amount of Bisolven for one third of the price. I've used it for years.

Still definitely see a doctor when its coloured, but know it's something that can be used in the meantime to help move it from your lungs if there's a wait.
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Day 8 post exposure: I slept very well, no symptoms at night. After being up for a while and moving around I got the urge to clear my throat and a slight tickle in my left lung. These symptoms are all milder than the previous days. No other symptoms.

rest and food seem to help me the most, being sure that I'm eating and almost forcing myself to sleep or nap. I felt hot for about a half hour yesterday, but once I had some food I was fine again. Took my temperature and it was 1 degree higher than normal (99.3), took it again after eating and it went back to normal, which matched now I felt (98.4)

Blood pressure and SPO2 (98) are fine. We have a pulse ox finger meter, blood pressure cuff from when my daughter was ill a few years ago and so its useful for monitoring.

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Day 12. Felt very strange before bed, like all the nerves in my arms and legs were on fire. Ran steamer all night, woke up with one nasal passage blocked. Clear phlegm production. I'll encourage more with Senegar.

Left before dawn for my walk to pray up the hill, but didn't make it. I pray the rosary as I walk up there, and contemplate once I reach the top for 30 minutes. Got about two mysteries along the walk and thought I should turn around. Kept going. By the end of the fourth mystery, I hit the green belt, but then understood, no, it time to go home. I've made that walk during some incredibly-tough health challenges, even in the midst of vertigo attacks with a cane to sense where 'up' is multiple times, so I'm a little surprised. I'm so used to knuckling down and pushing through things that very, very bad at understanding I'm sick.

Pulse oximetre shows 99% Sp02, so chest pain is inflammation or reflux. Some passing nausea.

We have to consider the possibility that some bodily reactions we experience could be the effects of shock, rather than a viral illness. Get an oximetre online if you don't have one. That'll be your tell of when to get to hospital, though I heard 95% on here, and, originally 90% from a mate who works at the hospital, and again last night, and will alleviate a lot of unnecessary 'what ifs'?

Something else: I started eating to bulk at the start of February, thinking a few extra kilos wouldn't hurt if food might be scarce, particularly as I'd been in Keto. I was scratching my stomach this morning and noticed by touch my abs were very prominent again, so I weighed myself this morning and noticed that the extra six kgs I had put on by 12 days ago is completely-gone, and I'm back to 100kg. The only exercise I've done was a daily slow, prayerful walk: something has burned that weight up.

This is the average day for hospitalization. I don't see it happening, even though the extreme outlier for Sepsis in Wuhan was Day 15. I'm feeling optimistic for those who aren't immuno-compromised the way I am, if I'm still hanging on.
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Day 8 update: blood sugar

A second update for today, I took a nap after going for a walk and woke up feeling mildly dizzy/anxiety. My entire chest also felt extremely cold which was very strange.

I got the chills to go away but I still felt dizzy, short of breath and generally still high anxiety/dread and still felt sick to my stomach. Putting any real food in my mouth made me feel like gagging.

After looking around, I saw that I had a small wrapped hard candy on my nighstand so I tried that, it was a near instant improvement. I asked my wife to get some more candy, which then led me to feel well enough to drink a up of chicken broth and then an egg and bacon. Now I am up out of bed with just a slight headache.

pulse oxygen levels are 96, temperature is 99.1. Not huge changes either way, so I wondered what the difference was and I looked at my hands. When i was in bed, they were whitish and the veins were very flat, now they have colour back and are raised/back to normal looking.

The other I also felt terrible until I ate again. I am not diabetic, but it definitely seems that with whatever I have going on if my blood sugar gets too low I go off the rails and feel terrible.

Please pray for me, this is a weird affliction. I've got the rest of you guys on this symptom thread on my mind

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(03-15-2020 12:25 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Great post, Mbare.

That reminds me: I meant to write earlier to not take a cough suppressant if you do start producing coloured-phlegm. You don't want the phlegm sitting in your lungs and getting infected. You want to start inhaling steam and using a cough expectorant. One of the times I ended up with pneumonia is because an idiot doctor told me to use Benadryl regularly as a sleep aid.

A common one is Bromhexine Hydrochloride, commonly called Bisolven, which is available in liquid or tablet form. It's sweet enough for children.

A very cheap old fashioned treatment is a Senega & Ammonia mixture, which kids would struggle with. It's a similar taste to aniseed, and you can buy double the amount of Bisolven for one third of the price. I've used it for years.

Still definitely see a doctor when its coloured, but know it's something that can be used in the meantime to help move it from your lungs if there's a wait.

If you're coughing up phlegm isn't that a wet cough and, therefore, not coronavirus?

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Someone infected with the virus was in the building where I work the week before last. I woke up this morning coughing a little and eventually developed a scratchy throat. I don't feel very sick and I tend to hack and cough more than most people, even though I don't smoke. I felt sleepy in the afternoon, but that's also pretty common with me because I generally don't sleep well at night.

My guess is that I'm not infected with coronavirus, but I'm thinking of staying away from work for a few days anyway, just to be sure. Does anyone know how long it takes for mild symptoms like mine to develop into something worse if it really is coronavirus?

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(03-15-2020 11:45 PM)bucky Wrote:  If you're coughing up phlegm isn't that a wet cough and, therefore, not coronavirus?

Initially. I'm talking about the stage where it risks progressing into pneumonia.

If you look at the common symptoms on admission of the Wuhan patients, (averaged on day 12), in the Lancet article linked the other day, it's the fever and cough together that are the most common symptoms and everything else is scattered.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance...7/fulltext

Fever 82 (83%)
Cough 81 (82%)
Shortness of breath 31 (31%)
Muscle ache 11 (11%)
Confusion 9 (9%)
Headache 8 (8%)
Sore throat 5 (5%)
Rhinorrhoea 4 (4%)
Chest pain 2 (2%)
Diarrhoea 2 (2%)
Nausea and vomiting 1 (1%)
More than one sign or symptom 89 (90%)

Of all of whom presented on Day 12, they *all* had a form of pneumonia.

Unilateral pneumonia 25 (25%)
Bilateral pneumonia 74 (75%)

Bilateral pneumonia puts patients at a huge risk of Sepsis, which is why patients with this are suddenly lost.

So, just because you're not producing doesn't mean the phlegm isn't there, sitting on your lungs. My treatment theory so far is to avoid encouraging pneumonia so as not not require hospitalization. I've had it twice, legionella once. So: no NSAIDS, or SAIDS to stop the fever, just paracetamol and wet compresses to cool my forehead down; humidify the warm air in my house; stop any phlegm settling in my lungs, (because I didn't start even slightly producing until Day 8); sitting and walking as much as possible once I could rather than lying down - possibly why my SP02% has gone back up to 99; propping myself up to sleep; and megadosing vitamin C. I'm doing this because I understand the risks... perhaps I'll still go down, but I'm on Day 12, and my symptoms have reduced back to a dry cough and a mild fever, rather than thinking about heading to hospital.

A second study suggests Sputum production was present in 28% of cases.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance...5/fulltext

Now, this is where I suspect everyone needs to calm down. If you look at how these very, very sick people were treated with oxygen support, 66% just were given a nasal cannula; 24% were given non-invasive ventilation or a high flow nasal cannula; and only 10% needed Invasive Mechanical Ventilation (Intubation), of which half needed Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (full life support). People died from secondary infections or the complications of sepsis from contracting pneumonia.

Now, based upon what has been said elsewhere, including my friends in the medical community, it's only 10% of people who will progress to pneumonia and need ICU admission and only 10% of those who are intubated. It's not a guaranteed worst-case scenario for everyone who presents, but a small percentage of a small percentage.

Something I just read for pneumonia was to avoid cold drinks - which I have been doing - or drinks with sugar in them. I tried lemonade today for glucose. OK, I'll stop. I'll do some more research. If any medical practitioners want to suggest steps to discourage pneumonia, jump in.

I think what might help me is I can push myself to move around even when I'm very weak and very dizzy, so I wasn't lying on my back much. I did say to a friend, in the early days, that I thought it made me feel worse.
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AB:

To prevent pneumonia, in most instances, you have to get your lungs moving to prevent air pockets from collapsing and fluid from depositing so we say “deep breathe and cough.”

But when it comes to a virus attacking your alveoli, causing exudate, inflammatory changes and physical damage, I’m not sure if there’s anything we can do other than drugs to stop the virus. I think they’re trialing 2 with mixed results.

Hoping you recover soon.
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(03-16-2020 02:58 AM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  AB:

To prevent pneumonia, in most instances, you have to get your lungs moving to prevent air pockets from collapsing and fluid from depositing so we say “deep breathe and cough.”

But when it comes to a virus attacking your alveoli, causing exudate, inflammatory changes and physical damage, I’m not sure if there’s anything we can do other than drugs to stop the virus. I think they’re trialing 2 with mixed results.

Hoping you recover soon.

Hard to know what's what. A lot of the Asian doctors from the original outbreak suggested actions to prevent pneumonia, so I figured it wouldn't hurt. The Spanish Doctor on Twitter is doing the deep breathing and coughing exercises as part of his self-treatment, as you would after certain surgeries.

I know lying around, particularly-prone, was painful and wasn't helping, so reintroducing a 40 minute morning and evening walk somewhere isolated the day after I started megadosing and it seems to have gotten my lungs working again. It feels like slightly more exercise than usual - breathing is harder but my pulse is only reaching about 110 bpm, which is hardly serious-exercise for a guy my size. The last two days I've put another walk in after lunch too. The lungs seem to want to be pushed.
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(03-16-2020 03:48 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 02:58 AM)BetaNoMore Wrote:  AB:

To prevent pneumonia, in most instances, you have to get your lungs moving to prevent air pockets from collapsing and fluid from depositing so we say “deep breathe and cough.”

But when it comes to a virus attacking your alveoli, causing exudate, inflammatory changes and physical damage, I’m not sure if there’s anything we can do other than drugs to stop the virus. I think they’re trialing 2 with mixed results.

Hoping you recover soon.

Hard to know what's what. A lot of the Asian doctors from the original outbreak suggested actions to prevent pneumonia, so I figured it wouldn't hurt. The Spanish Doctor on Twitter is doing the deep breathing and coughing exercises as part of his self-treatment, as you would after certain surgeries.

I know lying around, particularly-prone, was painful and wasn't helping, so reintroducing a 40 minute morning and evening walk somewhere isolated the day after I started megadosing and it seems to have gotten my lungs working again. It feels like slightly more exercise than usual - breathing is harder but my pulse is only reaching about 110 bpm, which is hardly serious-exercise for a guy my size. The last two days I've put another walk in after lunch too. The lungs seem to want to be pushed.

Agreed.

I was nursing myself and not exerting myself and feeling frail. I decided I needed to get some outside air a bit and just walk around. General well being is greater afterwards and even the next day.

I think in certain circumstances it's better to feel strong because these days- we're all a bit shaken up and it can physically affect us.

Praying for you brother.
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(03-15-2020 09:00 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Day 8 update: blood sugar

A second update for today, I took a nap after going for a walk and woke up feeling mildly dizzy/anxiety. My entire chest also felt extremely cold which was very strange.

I got the chills to go away but I still felt dizzy, short of breath and generally still high anxiety/dread and still felt sick to my stomach. Putting any real food in my mouth made me feel like gagging.

After looking around, I saw that I had a small wrapped hard candy on my nighstand so I tried that, it was a near instant improvement. I asked my wife to get some more candy, which then led me to feel well enough to drink a up of chicken broth and then an egg and bacon. Now I am up out of bed with just a slight headache.

pulse oxygen levels are 96, temperature is 99.1. Not huge changes either way, so I wondered what the difference was and I looked at my hands. When i was in bed, they were whitish and the veins were very flat, now they have colour back and are raised/back to normal looking.

The other I also felt terrible until I ate again. I am not diabetic, but it definitely seems that with whatever I have going on if my blood sugar gets too low I go off the rails and feel terrible.

Please pray for me, this is a weird affliction. I've got the rest of you guys on this symptom thread on my mind

Day 9: still have the blood sugar thing, but knowing what it is now has made it easy to manage, just eating every 3-4 hours.

Pulse oxygen showing 96 or 97, temperatures are in the 98's

I appreciate the prayers.

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https://www.foxnews.com/media/woman-coro...of-control

Actual confirmed case of woman with coronavirus. It does not seem all that serious.

Also on folks with a fever. If the fever is not excessively high then it is actually beneficial. A fever is your body fighting the disease. Your body is trying to heal you.

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(03-16-2020 08:00 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Day 9: still have the blood sugar thing, but knowing what it is now has made it easy to manage, just eating every 3-4 hours.

Pulse oxygen showing 96 or 97, temperatures are in the 98's

I appreciate the prayers.

Glad you're seeing an improvement. I was told by a Medical Friend that an Sp02% of over 95 is not going to be taken as concerning if you present at hospital. I'd also suggest propping yourself up with pillows to sleep, sitting up when you can and taking other steps as to discourage pneumonia, including deep breathing and coughing exercises. The Wuhan Data seemed to suggest Pneumonia was classed as a secondary infection of the virus, not necessarily something the virus itself guaranteed.

I'd also say to try and calm down and reduce anxiety levels. The media isn't helping here and there's so much disinformation flying around to generate clicks. Don't assume worst case scenarios. The data from Wuhan suggested only 1 in 10 need hospitalization, always from pneumonia, and only 10% of them required invasive treatment, and only half of them again required life support, otherwise it was just nasal canulars and oxygen tanks.

If you take the social and mainstream media catastrophising out of the picture, ignore conspiracy theories and deal with what is scientifically-known about this, it's a hard flu, but nowhere near the worst sickness I've ever fought through. I'm walking, doing housework, reading, playing a video game now and then.

The media is very, very bad at discussing scientific research and the results of studies, and this is a known thing by those in the community for decades. Take Patients in Wuhan presenting with permanent lung damage - the media will screech that 'Coronavirus means you will having lifelong breathing troubles' and generate hysteria. No, people whose lungs were scarred during ARDS will have lesions that cause breathing problems, which means a subset of that 10% who develop pneumonia will have issues. Even if that did happen, it's not a death sentence. You're resilient and would adapt.

The media specialises in Fear Porn. If you're showing anxiety symptoms, reduce your usage of it, because it's only going to weaken your immune system.

Hang in there, mate.
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Day 13. Fever is gone this morning. Normal body temperature of 35.9 (for me, I run a degree down, which isn't unheard of for some people), after 12 days of consistent-elevation. Sp02 is 99%. I'll see if fever resumes after my morning walk soon.
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(03-16-2020 02:24 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Day 13. Fever is gone this morning. Normal body temperature of 35.9 (for me, I run a degree down, which isn't unheard of for some people), after 12 days of consistent-elevation. Sp02 is 99%. I'll see if fever resumes after my morning walk soon.

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(03-16-2020 08:03 PM)pitbullowner Wrote:  Prayer works !

Of course it does. Thanks to everyone for your prayers.

There was, as expected, a slight elevation (0.5 C) of fever after a walk, but it's no longer constantly-febrile. I wouldn't say I'm well, but I definitely feel like I'm over the hump and am increasingly-feeling the dangers of this virus are exaggerated if you don't encourage pneumonia.

It's the panic and anxiety that are a bigger threat, so I'm going to back down on posting again and stop following the hysteria. Don't give in to fear and Trust in God.

Could I ask that any Catholics who don't yet pray the Divine Office / Liturgy of the Hours considering praying it, to unite their prayers with the Church's at this moment in time?

Most priests would suggest the laity only prayer the Major Hours and exclude the Minor, but they're not that much of a time burden if you choose to.

There's free versions online but I'd recommend this app, a one off payment that covers multiple devices.

https://universalis.com/

... which also has the daily liturgy of the mass, and functions offline.
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(03-16-2020 08:00 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Day 9: still have the blood sugar thing, but knowing what it is now has made it easy to manage, just eating every 3-4 hours.

Pulse oxygen showing 96 or 97, temperatures are in the 98's

I appreciate the prayers.

Glad you're seeing an improvement. I was told by a Medical Friend that an Sp02% of over 95 is not going to be taken as concerning if you present at hospital. I'd also suggest propping yourself up with pillows to sleep, sitting up when you can and taking other steps as to discourage pneumonia, including deep breathing and coughing exercises. The Wuhan Data seemed to suggest Pneumonia was classed as a secondary infection of the virus, not necessarily something the virus itself guaranteed.

I'd also say to try and calm down and reduce anxiety levels. The media isn't helping here and there's so much disinformation flying around to generate clicks. Don't assume worst case scenarios. The data from Wuhan suggested only 1 in 10 need hospitalization, always from pneumonia, and only 10% of them required invasive treatment, and only half of them again required life support, otherwise it was just nasal canulars and oxygen tanks.

If you take the social and mainstream media catastrophising out of the picture, ignore conspiracy theories and deal with what is scientifically-known about this, it's a hard flu, but nowhere near the worst sickness I've ever fought through. I'm walking, doing housework, reading, playing a video game now and then.

The media is very, very bad at discussing scientific research and the results of studies, and this is a known thing by those in the community for decades. Take Patients in Wuhan presenting with permanent lung damage - the media will screech that 'Coronavirus means you will having lifelong breathing troubles' and generate hysteria. No, people whose lungs were scarred during ARDS will have lesions that cause breathing problems, which means a subset of that 10% who develop pneumonia will have issues. Even if that did happen, it's not a death sentence. You're resilient and would adapt.

The media specialises in Fear Porn. If you're showing anxiety symptoms, reduce your usage of it, because it's only going to weaken your immune system.

Hang in there, mate.

Day 10 update:

Feeling pretty darn good. Blood sugar swings are much lower, sleeping for blocks of 4-5 hours at a time instead of 1 hr at a time. No chest or heart symptoms. SPO2 at 97/98, temperature 98.5

I wanted to reply specifically to AB's post about managing anxiety and share something embarrassing. Yesterday, I was straight up panicked at one point, my heart felt like was going to blow out of the side of my chest, I was breathing rapidly and short on breath, nauseous and shaky.

I went ahead and called a Doctor, and explained my symptoms and numbers (all of which were pretty normal despite the symptoms. The doctors concern was about my heart/chest and recommended going to the emergency room to get an EKG, chest xray and metabolic panel. I hung up the phone, and went and spoke to my wife...and my symptoms were all pretty much gone, as if they subsided after I got reassurance form the Doctor. I asked her to look up the symptoms of anxiety/panic attack. She did and read them out and I said "well....I think I have more symptoms of anxiety than ICU coronavirus as this point" she suggested that I have a warm bath and she would clean up the bedroom, set up an essential oil nebulizer etc. I also asked that she not send me or tell me any more coronavirus updates or horror stories.

When I finished my bath I had a long deep sleep. I prayed and asked Jesus to take it from here, I need him to fight for me as I was just winding myself up. My heart went back to normal, and my breathing slowed.

After that, I've just been dealing with the more 'regular' symptoms of being tired, headaches, eating regularly and sleeping. I think the nausea from the anxiety kept me from eating properly and just ramped up the blood sugar issues.

It is embarrassing that anxiety got the best of me, but I thank God that is all it was. I also pray for everyone that has actual diabetes and gets this, or even just the flu. I can see how it can be terrible for them.

Thank you everyone for their prayers.

PS - Granted that my wife is a very attractive woman, but she has also been a great help. By that I mean, when the chips are down, I would take a pointy elbowed, hairy chinned domestic troll when I was sick over no wife at all or some hot looking gold digger than can't even make toast.

Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? Psalm 2:1 KJV
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