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RE: "I Have Coronavirus/Cold/Flu Symptoms" thread
(03-12-2020 11:15 AM)esotericgoon Wrote:  I am highly skeptical of this mega dose vitamin C stuff, for example here is the finding of a meta analysis of taking mega doses for the common cold, published in PLoS One (a highly reputable open-source journal):

Quote:Reviewers' conclusions
The failure of vitamin C supplementation to reduce the incidence of colds in the normal
population indicates that routine mega-dose prophylaxis is not rationally justified for
community use.
But evidence shows that it could be justified in persons exposed to brief
periods of severe physical exercise and/or cold environments
. Also, the consistent and
statistically significant small benefits on duration and severity for those using regular
vitamin C prophylaxis indicates that vitamin C plays some role in respiratory defence
mechanisms. The trials in which vitamin C was introduced at the onset of colds as therapy
did not show any benefit in doses up to 4 grams daily, but one large trial reported
equivocal benefit from an 8 gram therapeutic dose at onset of symptoms
.

That sounds like a mixed review to me. The review says it does not prevent infection, but can reduce severity...which is what we're saying here I think. It won't prevent the sickness but can reduce severity and duration.

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Which is extremely important when medical resources are limited. A reduction in symptoms could be the difference between being in hell but not needing a ventilator vs. needing a ventilator and none being available.
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Just was doing a stock up and on the way home felt : lightheaded, sore throat, mild headache. I don't have a cough.

I started wondering if I might have something, but when I came home I found out that my mother had a serious headache, earache. She isn't coughing or complaining about a sore throat.

We are quarantining.

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For me, cough didn't show up until day 5 or so.

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Something to keep in mind-

About 6-7 years ago I had massive issues with anxiety and panic attacks. My body would fluctuate in terms of temperature and I would sweat like crazy when waking up. My hands would be cold, I would be shivering then I would be sweating. Also had a lot of acid reflux during this time period and would cause my body to go haywire as well.

I have similar symptoms to Roosh. An odd cough and feeling a little under the weather. Woke up sweating a bit but I'm very stressed and nervous. Temperature is fine, o2 is fine, heart rate is fine (slightly elevated).

With that being said, I'm going to be taking more Vitamin C today and sleeping.
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(03-12-2020 11:15 AM)esotericgoon Wrote:  I am highly skeptical of this mega dose vitamin C stuff, for example here is the finding of a meta analysis of taking mega doses for the common cold, published in PLoS One (a highly reputable open-source journal):

Quote:Reviewers' conclusions
The failure of vitamin C supplementation to reduce the incidence of colds in the normal
population indicates that routine mega-dose prophylaxis is not rationally justified for
community use.
But evidence shows that it could be justified in persons exposed to brief
periods of severe physical exercise and/or cold environments
. Also, the consistent and
statistically significant small benefits on duration and severity for those using regular
vitamin C prophylaxis indicates that vitamin C plays some role in respiratory defence
mechanisms. The trials in which vitamin C was introduced at the onset of colds as therapy
did not show any benefit in doses up to 4 grams daily, but one large trial reported
equivocal benefit from an 8 gram therapeutic dose at onset of symptoms
.

You're misreading this. This was a trial to see if it would prevent or reduce the severity of the common cold.

Vitamin C is being recommended by Chinese Doctors against Coronavirus, not to reduce your symptoms, but to prevent a descent into Pneumonia, and the resulting Inflammatory Storm that kills you.

The conclusion you just quoted even admits Vitamin C plays some role in Respiratory Defence Mechanisms, enough to be considered statistically-significant. They're only saying it's a small benefit against the common cold in this study because they're not studying coronavirus.

Day 9 now. On Day 7, I was having so much trouble breathing that I decided it was time to see a doctor, who wouldn't come out and told me to go right to hospital. I suspected a lot of my chest pain was compensatory muscle pain from using them to breathe, meaning, the muscles were inflamed. I took a megadose, and used an anti-inflammatory gel, and the effect was noticeable reduced by that evening.

I took six hourly 1000mg megadoses yesterday morning. No chance in colour or smell of urine, still clear. By last evening I felt human again for the first time since last Thursday. I'm clearly no longer progressing downwards. This now feels beatable, and I'm making plans to help my friends, family and church once I stop self-quarantining next Friday.

Note also: I've had bowel issues since I was in my mid 20's after a chicken pox infection, similar to IBS. I've been treating it with GABA powder the last 16 months or so, with great success. Megadosing is supposed to be a problem for people with this issue. I took 10,000 mgs in less than 12 hours, and all I experienced was some bowel pain and flatulence. Knowing what GABA does - softens and gathers the stool into an efficient delivery - I figured I should stop it during this period so I'm not taking two softeners. I didn't take it last night, and my morning bowel movement today was fine.

My only other side effect would be a mildly-runny nose, which I was attribute to my head congestion finally giving away. I could smell the flowers in the backyard again this morning.

I ordered another 3 kgs this morning, since I have four people in my immediate circle at great risk at being abandoned to die by the government, since they see negative financial value in the elderly. This isn't conspiracy, but formed from months of reading updates on the Catholic Battle against Euthanasia in Australia. They want non-productive financial burdens dead. When people start showing symptoms, I'll put them on the recommended treatment regime from the Chinese Doctors, if they'll listen.

Worse case scenario, you have the runs for a couple of weeks. I stocked up on electrolyte powder over the last month. You don't need expensive chemist brands: staminade / gatorade do the job for my Meniere's. If you have watery movements, take regular drinks of it to combat dehydration.
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My wife, son and I had a conversation last night that mirrors what you describe, somewhat; That there could be a lot of orphans in the next six months.

It breaks my heart, but when the dust settles we may have to step up in more ways than we think.
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(03-12-2020 07:35 PM)Laner Wrote:  My wife, son and I had a conversation last night that mirrors what you describe, somewhat; That there could be a lot of orphans in the next six months.

It breaks my heart, but when the dust settles we may have to step up in more ways than we think.

I never thought of being a father to another mans spawn,but I can be a young kids older brother that can look out for him and show him the love Christ has for us.




anyhow to the OP, my runny nose is almost gone today.
Self isolation seems good. I went to the general store today and saw EVERYONE buying up toilet paper by the cart full. I bought bleach, hydrogen peroxide, vinegar and ammonia. I kinda laughed sadly when i saw these people just stocking up on TP....i legitimately don't get it.

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I came down with a slight pflem cough. Day 2 so far. Feeling a little tired but nothing to be concerned with yet. One or two sneezes.

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(03-12-2020 04:23 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Worse case scenario, you have the runs for a couple of weeks. I stocked up on electrolyte powder over the last month. You don't need expensive chemist brands: staminade / gatorade do the job for my Meniere's. If you have watery movements, take regular drinks of it to combat dehydration.

Further to this, if electrolyte powder/drinks aren't available you can make the World Health Organisation's Oral Rehydration Solution from Table Salt and Sugar:

Wikipedia article on Oral Rehydration Therapy Wrote:A basic oral rehydration therapy solution can also be prepared when packets of oral rehydration salts are not available. A WHO publication for physicians recommends a homemade ORS consisting of one liter water with one teaspoon salt (3 grams) and two tablespoons sugar (18 grams) added (approximately the "taste of tears").

Rehydration Project recommends adding the same amount of sugar but only one-half a teaspoon of salt, stating that this more dilute approach is less risky with very little loss of effectiveness.
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(03-12-2020 08:32 PM)Speculation Wrote:  
(03-12-2020 04:23 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  Worse case scenario, you have the runs for a couple of weeks. I stocked up on electrolyte powder over the last month. You don't need expensive chemist brands: staminade / gatorade do the job for my Meniere's. If you have watery movements, take regular drinks of it to combat dehydration.

Further to this, if electrolyte powder/drinks aren't available you can make the World Health Organisation's Oral Rehydration Solution from Table Salt and Sugar:

Wikipedia article on Oral Rehydration Therapy Wrote:A basic oral rehydration therapy solution can also be prepared when packets of oral rehydration salts are not available. A WHO publication for physicians recommends a homemade ORS consisting of one liter water with one teaspoon salt (3 grams) and two tablespoons sugar (18 grams) added (approximately the "taste of tears").

Rehydration Project recommends adding the same amount of sugar but only one-half a teaspoon of salt, stating that this more dilute approach is less risky with very little loss of effectiveness.

just as an update to that, I would suggest teaspoon, not tablespoon. spoke with a bio-chemist friend of mine to run that by him, he said tsp, not TBsp

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(03-12-2020 02:29 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  Just was doing a stock up and on the way home felt : lightheaded, sore throat, mild headache. I don't have a cough.

I started wondering if I might have something, but when I came home I found out that my mother had a serious headache, earache. She isn't coughing or complaining about a sore throat.

We are quarantining.

Day 1

Quickly slipped out to the Grocery Store for a couple of Thermometers.

I was 35.9 C (96.5F) and my Mother 35.0 C (95F).

My mother was feeling better tonight, I was feeling a little dizzy. Going to get some sleep. Still wondering if I'm half dreaming it up.

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(03-12-2020 09:17 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  My mother was feeling better tonight, I was feeling a little dizzy. Going to get some sleep. Still wondering if I'm half dreaming it up.

I would not discount the effects of stress on our bodies as we try to cope with a lot of information and keep a handle on things.

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(03-12-2020 02:09 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(03-12-2020 11:15 AM)esotericgoon Wrote:  I am highly skeptical of this mega dose vitamin C stuff, for example here is the finding of a meta analysis of taking mega doses for the common cold, published in PLoS One (a highly reputable open-source journal):

Quote:Reviewers' conclusions
The failure of vitamin C supplementation to reduce the incidence of colds in the normal
population indicates that routine mega-dose prophylaxis is not rationally justified for
community use.
But evidence shows that it could be justified in persons exposed to brief
periods of severe physical exercise and/or cold environments
. Also, the consistent and
statistically significant small benefits on duration and severity for those using regular
vitamin C prophylaxis indicates that vitamin C plays some role in respiratory defence
mechanisms. The trials in which vitamin C was introduced at the onset of colds as therapy
did not show any benefit in doses up to 4 grams daily, but one large trial reported
equivocal benefit from an 8 gram therapeutic dose at onset of symptoms
.

That sounds like a mixed review to me. The review says it does not prevent infection, but can reduce severity...which is what we're saying here I think. It won't prevent the sickness but can reduce severity and duration.

Those studies already break the effective doses described by orthomolecular docs. 4 to 8 grams can be used for prevention alone. Expecting some massive results from that even from a cold is something else. Sure - some strong people like AnonymousBosch may have marked improvements at 8 to 10 grams or 15 grams, but for others it may take as much as 50 grams even for a cold.

I looked at quite a few "debunking" studies. They either use too low doses to reach extreme therapeutic effect or they use idiot supplements/meta-studies of supermarket vitamin C that is laced with blockers and toxins.

As for the description of decrease of symptoms - true, you can describe it like that, but when decrease of symptoms works also on severe pneumonia, then it means that fever, pain, discomfort, sore-throat - everything is gone. And ever since I started treating colds like that - I never had any pains or high fever anymore. The way it works is by simply giving my body what it needs to fight off disease. So "lowering symptoms" is essentially turning something potentially dangerous, stopping deterioration and changing it into little more than a sniffle or mild cold. And that is what they observed in China and South Korea. It's irrelevant whether it's the coronavirus or any normal flu strain - the body's immune system is increased and it fights it down.

I still remember to this day the first time I took a very high dose - like 25 grams within 10 minutes on a severe cold/flu-like state and suddenly everything cleared up as if by miracle. I felt healthy as if by magic. It got a bit worse after an hour again, because the state does not go away - you just make the symptoms go down and it does not get worse.

Vitamin C Megadosing: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74755.html
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(03-13-2020 01:28 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(03-12-2020 02:09 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(03-12-2020 11:15 AM)esotericgoon Wrote:  I am highly skeptical of this mega dose vitamin C stuff, for example here is the finding of a meta analysis of taking mega doses for the common cold, published in PLoS One (a highly reputable open-source journal):

Quote:Reviewers' conclusions
The failure of vitamin C supplementation to reduce the incidence of colds in the normal
population indicates that routine mega-dose prophylaxis is not rationally justified for
community use.
But evidence shows that it could be justified in persons exposed to brief
periods of severe physical exercise and/or cold environments
. Also, the consistent and
statistically significant small benefits on duration and severity for those using regular
vitamin C prophylaxis indicates that vitamin C plays some role in respiratory defence
mechanisms. The trials in which vitamin C was introduced at the onset of colds as therapy
did not show any benefit in doses up to 4 grams daily, but one large trial reported
equivocal benefit from an 8 gram therapeutic dose at onset of symptoms
.

That sounds like a mixed review to me. The review says it does not prevent infection, but can reduce severity...which is what we're saying here I think. It won't prevent the sickness but can reduce severity and duration.

Those studies already break the effective doses described by orthomolecular docs. 4 to 8 grams can be used for prevention alone. Expecting some massive results from that even from a cold is something else. Sure - some strong people like AnonymousBosch may have marked improvements at 8 to 10 grams or 15 grams, but for others it may take as much as 50 grams even for a cold.

I looked at quite a few "debunking" studies. They either use too low doses to reach extreme therapeutic effect or they use idiot supplements/meta-studies of supermarket vitamin C that is laced with blockers and toxins.

As for the description of decrease of symptoms - true, you can describe it like that, but when decrease of symptoms works also on severe pneumonia, then it means that fever, pain, discomfort, sore-throat - everything is gone. And ever since I started treating colds like that - I never had any pains or high fever anymore. The way it works is by simply giving my body what it needs to fight off disease. So "lowering symptoms" is essentially turning something potentially dangerous, stopping deterioration and changing it into little more than a sniffle or mild cold. And that is what they observed in China and South Korea. It's irrelevant whether it's the coronavirus or any normal flu strain - the body's immune system is increased and it fights it down.

I still remember to this day the first time I took a very high dose - like 25 grams within 10 minutes on a severe cold/flu-like state and suddenly everything cleared up as if by miracle. I felt healthy as if by magic. It got a bit worse after an hour again, because the state does not go away - you just make the symptoms go down and it does not get worse.

How long do you typically take the mega dose?
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< When sick until you feel better lowering the dosage. As for maintenance - that is depending on conditions - when you know that you are weakened or calculate that you are in pathogen-infected areas or among sick people. Then you may take 2000 to 8000mg for general upkeep during that period. But remember that for some 8000mg may be too much when healthy. 3-4000mg might be fine.

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2000 mg is my max dosage, being currently healthy.
When taking more, I begin having small digestion problems.
So test it on yourself, to see what you currently need.
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Is there anywhere left to actually get it?
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(03-11-2020 08:34 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Day 5: Last night, the urge to clear my throat became less and ceased to be dry and moved to productive. Zero symptoms at night, slept ok, very slight nasal congestion this morning. I'm going to dial down the vitamin C a bit today and see if anything changes.

As mentioned previously, I started vitamin C, elderberry syrup and rest immediately after exposure (Coofer in room and my only in person event all week).

lowered vitamin C dosage, and last night my nasal passages started to inflame/get irritated and my lungs felt very dry...like someone was blowing on them with a hair dryer. I opened the window to get some fresh air and that seemed to resolve them.

I just want to be cautious as there are medical reports of those in hospital improving and then going into some kind of cardiac arrest. So I think I'll continue to take it easy.

Zero other symptoms though, no fever, no cough, no running nose etc.

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I’m a 21 year old male, overall fairly healthy and exercise regularly.

I’ve had flu like symptoms for the past 5 days.
Started Sunday night, sauned at the gym (dry sauna). Woke up feeling it Monday morning. Went to work, took ibuprofen,massive headache/achey joints, and then extreme shivers in the later half of the day.

Stayed home Tuesday. High grade fever (never got to check because all the thermometers are sold out in this town. Probably around 102 F) restless fever dreams, extreme chills, slight shortness of breath (I’m an asthmatic). Slept most of the day. Took ZZQuil at night. Had someone pick up elderberry syrup at the store.

Wednesday slept better. Slept in until 10. I’ve been mostly on a liquid diet (smoothies), took ibuprofen and went back to bed. Slept until 3PM where I woke up covered in sweat from chest to head. I think the fever broke there. Felt better going from there, still had the chills almost uncontrollably.

Thursday I woke up feeling better but with massive throat pain, hurt to swallow anything. Water, my saliva. The back of my throat was super red and inflamed, no white dots so it’s not strep. Made a turmeric raw honey drink that has been helping, along with ibuprofen. Even was able to go use the Sauna at my gym. Sweater heavily for 45 minutes. Had an actual appetite that evening.

Today on Friday I woke up, throat still sore but feeling almost human. Still not totally together but much better.

I work in a large building with many employees, people come into our offices all the time to talk business related things. Meet lots of people daily, shake lots of hands. I had been trying my best to stay healthy but going out to the bars and staying out late probably did me no favors.

I’m not sure if this was Corona virus. My state recently tested positive for its first case, but the city I am in is a hub for flights out of WA. I’m expecting a lot of people in my building to get sick here soon.


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(03-13-2020 08:20 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  Is there anywhere left to actually get it?

I ordered 3lbs from Now Foods yesterday and it's currently in transit. I held off mentioning it yesterday as I wanted to make sure it was actually going to ship.

The 3lb containers are now sold out but they still have the 1lb containers as of this post.

EDIT: 3lbs back in stock for now.
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If anyone has a sore throat, drink a big ole spoon full of red wine vinegar. It won't cure it, but it'll give you some temporary relief for awhile

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RE: "I Have Coronavirus/Cold/Flu Symptoms" thread
How do you think a person with Lyme disease (borreliosis) giving no symptoms can cope with corona virus on top of it?

Scorpion: "When the government and the media tell you that you should be very afraid, you should automatically be skeptical. When the government and media tell you that you should be very afraid and that you need to give up your rights and freedoms to stay safe, you should dig in your heels and resist. Because that's when they give the game away. That's when you can be sure that your fear is being weaponized against you."

COVID-19 – One Gigantic Western Pharma Rip-Off
03-13-2020 01:43 PM
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RE: "I Have Coronavirus/Cold/Flu Symptoms" thread
I have a lingering dry cough, diarrhea and general fatigue. Damn I wish I'd listened to the advice to get vitamin c powder - I can't find anywhere it's available.
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^I had an order delivered from Amazon yesterday. Dont know where you are but its showing you can still get it...here at least

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