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(03-01-2020 06:39 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  OP the reason why you shouldn't do it has nothing to do with Honor, honesty or anything else. You shouldn't do it because this "petty theft" will bleed into other area of your life!

This is the best reason to not shoplift, or steal in general. Petty theft reinforces the idea that money is a scarce resource
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New idea, OP should try his hand at rent dodging: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74488.html
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(03-01-2020 07:59 PM)Repo Wrote:  New idea, OP should try his hand at rent dodging: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74488.html

This dude just sounds like a straight up loser, i forgot about that thread .

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RE: Fare dodging on public transport
Thread is going in direction hoped for.

Maybe not for OP.

Will it turn out that The Catalyst is indeed Little Dark and has been fooling us all this time?

Thread will deliver either way.


Fare dodging. Rent dodging.

Whatever next?

Whoremongering and skipping before paying what's due?


"Am in hospital in Eastern Europe. Could be worse. Doctors say I will be able to walk again in six months when my broken legs heal (both of them). Lucky to be alive. Will keep you updated. P.S. also got kicked out of my flat when I couldn't pay the fare-dodging fine! Otherwise, all good..."


Keep us updated Catalyst!

I'm rooting for you bro'.
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This is common activity in U.S. cities: 500,000 a day in NYC, costing over $200M a year. There are lots of videos online showing it, although they obscure that 90% of it is being done by one ethnicity.
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(03-01-2020 06:28 PM)rainy Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 06:01 PM)Travola Wrote:  ^^ they do not pay in many of the places I've traveled in central/ eastern Europe because they are impoverished shitholes.

Screwing over "the man" is practically a national past-time in Eastern Europe, even if it is an on balance good thing to follow the law and promote societal harmony.

In all fairness, though, I got far more enjoyment out of treating eastern europe like a trash can, like the natives did, than I did evading fares. Public urination was practically my middle name, and did, in fact, stop using trash cans.

You simply sound like an asshole. And if that's how you actually act then you simply are an asshole.

Have some self respect.

And no, the natives in EE don't treat their surroundings like a trash can. Just because their economies crumbled after the fall of communism doesn't mean the average person doesn't care and have pride in their country.

Don't visit someone else's home, treat it like shit and then convince yourself it's fine because you tell yourself locals do the same.

I don't know who gave you the right to be sanctimonious, but to come straight out of the gate insulting me, is a bad look. Is it right to not pay for cut-rate public transit? Probably not. Does that make me an asshole even when the natives are not paying? I don't think so.

I could talk to you about Eastern Europe all day long. The self-defeating attitudes, the will to blame others (especially foreigners or outside forces) for any and all failures and shortcomings, the petty jealousy that prefers your neighbor to suffer than to materially improve his life, their (yes, their) treatment of the environment- dumping of toxic waste, poor water quality, and so on; everyone doing their damnedest to avoid taxes, influencing court cases via bribes, paying off cops, paying doctors to be at the front of the queue for surgeries, fake college degrees bought with cold hard cash, all the things lost to graft and corruption, and so much more.

So yes, if you're asking, all these people did these things too, so I guess, that would make all them assholes too.

They've been blaming capitalism for thirty years now, but I will tell you it is these assholes fault. Any person who can't even keep his life in order has no cause to complain about the world beyond his house.
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(03-01-2020 09:51 PM)Travola Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 06:28 PM)rainy Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 06:01 PM)Travola Wrote:  ^^ they do not pay in many of the places I've traveled in central/ eastern Europe because they are impoverished shitholes.

Screwing over "the man" is practically a national past-time in Eastern Europe, even if it is an on balance good thing to follow the law and promote societal harmony.

In all fairness, though, I got far more enjoyment out of treating eastern europe like a trash can, like the natives did, than I did evading fares. Public urination was practically my middle name, and did, in fact, stop using trash cans.

You simply sound like an asshole. And if that's how you actually act then you simply are an asshole.

Have some self respect.

And no, the natives in EE don't treat their surroundings like a trash can. Just because their economies crumbled after the fall of communism doesn't mean the average person doesn't care and have pride in their country.

Don't visit someone else's home, treat it like shit and then convince yourself it's fine because you tell yourself locals do the same.

I don't know who gave you the right to be sanctimonious, but to come straight out of the gate insulting me, is a bad look. Is it right to not pay for cut-rate public transit? Probably not. Does that make me an asshole even when the natives are not paying? I don't think so.

I could talk to you about Eastern Europe all day long. The self-defeating attitudes, the will to blame others (especially foreigners or outside forces) for any and all failures and shortcomings, the petty jealousy that prefers your neighbor to suffer than to materially improve his life, their (yes, their) treatment of the environment- dumping of toxic waste, poor water quality, and so on; everyone doing their damnedest to avoid taxes, influencing court cases via bribes, paying off cops, paying doctors to be at the front of the queue for surgeries, fake college degrees bought with cold hard cash, all the things lost to graft and corruption, and so much more.

So yes, if you're asking, all these people did these things too, so I guess, that would make all them assholes too.

They've been blaming capitalism for thirty years now, but I will tell you it is these assholes fault. Any person who can't even keep his life in order has no cause to complain about the world beyond his house.

Lots of the natives in EE countries even defecate in public. I see a load of shit in front of my apartment block every month or so.

How does stooping to that level make you feel?
If you have been so deeply influenced by their culture that you find yourself changing, perhaps its time to leave.

The environment surrounding you does a lot to shape who you are.
Put yourself in a different environment.

In Eastern Europe, there are places with intelligent, hard working people. Try and make friends in the IT and programming fields. These people will show you a good example of the best Eastern European culture can offer. I can guarantee you there are tech entrepreneurs who are busy creating things and making money. Surround yourself with the kind of people you want to become.

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(03-01-2020 08:47 PM)Athanasius Wrote:  This is common activity in U.S. cities: 500,000 a day in NYC, costing over $200M a year. There are lots of videos online showing it, although they obscure that 90% of it is being done by one ethnicity.

Hindus again?

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They have the Light Rail running through the impoverished areas of my State(New jersey).
It runs through Newark and Jersey City and basically connects people to food shopping, the mall
and the path trains into NYC.

You have to buy a ticket and have a machine timestamp it. But the train is run basically on the
honor system. I'm sure they purposefully run it that way to give the hoodrats a break on getting around.

Try hopping the subway turnstyles in and into NYC and its a different story. Cops are waiting to bust you.

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They tried to decriminalize this on Minnesota's light rail but it hasn't gone anywhere yet. I wouldn't ride it even if it was free since it's just a mobile homeless shelter now.
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OP, New Zealand called. They said "don't come back".

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(03-01-2020 08:47 PM)Athanasius Wrote:  This is common activity in U.S. cities: 500,000 a day in NYC, costing over $200M a year. There are lots of videos online showing it, although they obscure that 90% of it is being done by one ethnicity.

I remember reading an article some time back, where they said crime in NYC would go down by 85% if there were no black/african-american and hispanic people lol

my namesake (one dollar pizza) is derived from 99 cent pizza shops in NYC, where ghetto hoodrats devour unhealthy slices
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I was forced to do it back in Germany in the late 1980s as a young kid. I was dirt poor living on my own and simply couldn't afford the bus/tram fair. Back in those days controls were actually quite frequent and I got caught a few times. Even had to appear in court and got slammed with weekend community service. Now before you criticize - I hated every minute of it and felt like a complete loser. Plus the embarrassment when you got caught - everyone looked at you as if you're the scum of the earth (that was Germany in the 1980s - different place than today). Honestly, I would have happily paid for my fair but I simply was so broke that I often couldn't even afford to buy enough food.

On the plus side: the experience changed my whole perspective about law and order later in life. After moving to the U.S. as a young adult I never as much as got a parking ticket - have become quite a stickler about abiding by societies legal and moral rules. Plus I absolutely detest people who dodge fares but walk about with a brand new iPhone X or better. Clearly they could afford it but don't believe society's rules apply to them. Just another expression of the downfall of Western civilization.

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(03-01-2020 05:41 PM)Uprising Wrote:  You are no better than the 3rd world migrants flooding into the continent by the millions and mooching off the system.

Disgusting.

I get your point, but I try and ticket dodge as much as possible. In all other respects I'm a fine and upstanding tax-paying citizen. I'm not on public transport much, but I try and get away with not paying every single time, and I have a buddy who does it too (albeit more successfully than me).

The way I see it, so much of my money is wasted by the government and local council in corrupt and/or immoral practices that my fair-dodging is a tiny victory for the little guy.
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One of my biggest pet peeves are people who take a holier than thou attitude on ticket dodging; ESPECIALLY MIGRANTS.

In alot of western nations there are pre-paid cards used for transit that you have to frequently top up. Every now and then life gets busy and you forget. On these occasions, when you're nowhere near a top up station, you have to dodge - And it's always the fresh off the boat migrants that try to kick you off the bus.

It pisses me off to no end. Imagine paying a lifetimes taxes, supporting these people welfare, having them enter your country, then tell you to get off the transport system you paid for - Including their wages.

As bizarre as it sounds, western transport systems are almost the perfect microcosm to show just how fucked the west has become.
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I've been going on trains in Sweden lots of times in the last few years and there's been multiple multiple times where I've seen ticket inspectors who won't bother about migrants.

One time I bought a ticket second hand from a chick on Facebook and assumed it would be no problem.
But when I went on the train the ticket inspector made a big deal about it, that it didn't have my name on it.
So I said, "my girlfriend" bought the ticket for me and then they were trying to call this chick to verify it but she didn't answer the phone. So they claimed that I could have stolen the ticket from her (I was actually in a suit that time and didn't exactly look like a gypsie) and was threatening me with a big fine so I had to buy a much more expensive ticket even though I actually had a ticket.

Meanwhile I've seen them telling free-riding women "well, just remember to buy a ticket next or you will get a fine then".

And for example, a few months ago I was on the train and the toilet was occupied for ages so I told the staff. And low and behold, when they used the key to open the door, there were two migrants hiding there.
These two got into an argument with each other and were spitting in each others faces and yelling.

They didn't get a fine and just had to get off at the next stop (and probably just waited for the next train to do the same thing). The old lady told me that this was pretty much a weekly thing and I suppose she was too afraid to do anything against two loud Arab men. And apparently they don't think it's that much of a problem to call the police and catch them since most people are actually paying for themselves.

But it is like they can let migrants and women off for not even having a ticket but if a white man actually has a ticket but with another name on it, they will make a big deal about it. And at the same time, it is to a large degree white men like me who make public transport possible here through taxes.

So I'm actually starting to think "fuck it" too. It would be one thing if I saw them punishing these migrants but they don't. It's like the social contract has started to lose its meaning even though it meant something in the past.

Not only are you supposed to be paying to support public transport through taxes but also to be this cuck who pays for free-riding immigrants in multiple ways. On one level I think you could argue that you would probably do more good for society if you gave some money to a charity each time you free-ride instead of giving it to the state.
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I can't believe some people get a thrill out of not paying a few dollars to ride a bus.
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Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's." Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities.
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(03-03-2020 06:55 AM)One Dollar Pizza Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 08:47 PM)Athanasius Wrote:  This is common activity in U.S. cities: 500,000 a day in NYC, costing over $200M a year. There are lots of videos online showing it, although they obscure that 90% of it is being done by one ethnicity.

I remember reading an article some time back, where they said crime in NYC would go down by 85% if there were no black/african-american and hispanic people lol

my namesake (one dollar pizza) is derived from 99 cent pizza shops in NYC, where ghetto hoodrats devour unhealthy slices

Someone, can't remember who, just confirmed recently the truth of what Bloomberg said, namely that around 95% of NYC crime suspects were non-white.
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(03-01-2020 05:38 PM)The Catalyst Wrote:  Anyone else also addicted to the thrill?

Lately it's not been going so good for me. There might be some kind of surveillance or algorithm that makes ticket inspectors board. I've never been checked when I had my ticket validated but I've been nailed the off times when I didn't feel like bothering.

It's such a shame because it feels like such a waste validating your ticket all the time and no one comes to check it. If they actually "know" if you haven't done it they probably are masters at it. Don't check the times I'm legitimate, then come in for a payday the moment they "know" I'm dodging.

I've also heard stories about people who are really broke/poor, in a worse situation than me(believe it or not), who just run away from the ticket inspectors onto the street when the doors open. Apparently there's not really anything they can/will do(maybe it depends on the city). I haven't tried that yet as I've been too scared but I do have decently much to lose.

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(03-03-2020 11:00 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  I've been going on trains in Sweden lots of times in the last few years and there's been multiple multiple times where I've seen ticket inspectors who won't bother about migrants.

One time I bought a ticket second hand from a chick on Facebook and assumed it would be no problem.
But when I went on the train the ticket inspector made a big deal about it, that it didn't have my name on it.
So I said, "my girlfriend" bought the ticket for me and then they were trying to call this chick to verify it but she didn't answer the phone. So they claimed that I could have stolen the ticket from her (I was actually in a suit that time and didn't exactly look like a gypsie) and was threatening me with a big fine so I had to buy a much more expensive ticket even though I actually had a ticket.

Meanwhile I've seen them telling free-riding women "well, just remember to buy a ticket next or you will get a fine then".

And for example, a few months ago I was on the train and the toilet was occupied for ages so I told the staff. And low and behold, when they used the key to open the door, there were two migrants hiding there.
These two got into an argument with each other and were spitting in each others faces and yelling.

They didn't get a fine and just had to get off at the next stop (and probably just waited for the next train to do the same thing). The old lady told me that this was pretty much a weekly thing and I suppose she was too afraid to do anything against two loud Arab men. And apparently they don't think it's that much of a problem to call the police and catch them since most people are actually paying for themselves.

But it is like they can let migrants and women off for not even having a ticket but if a white man actually has a ticket but with another name on it, they will make a big deal about it. And at the same time, it is to a large degree white men like me who make public transport possible here through taxes.

So I'm actually starting to think "fuck it" too. It would be one thing if I saw them punishing these migrants but they don't. It's like the social contract has started to lose its meaning even though it meant something in the past.

Not only are you supposed to be paying to support public transport through taxes but also to be this cuck who pays for free-riding immigrants in multiple ways. On one level I think you could argue that you would probably do more good for society if you gave some money to a charity each time you free-ride instead of giving it to the state.

Did he get banned for saying that if the migrants free ride, he should be able to?

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If you’re legitimately participating on this forum, I might assume you are a higher caliber of man than the masses. I’m by no means a beacon of perfect morality but I don’t get this. What’s the next step in getting a rush, shoplifting candy bars for the thrill of it? (it’s ok, poor people do it all the time)
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(03-04-2020 10:06 AM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  If you’re legitimately participating on this forum, I might assume you are a higher caliber of man than the masses. I’m by no means a beacon of perfect morality but I don’t get this. What’s the next step in getting a rush, shoplifting candy bars for the thrill of it? (it’s ok, poor people do it all the time)

Ha I would definitely not assume that. Every forum has its share of weirdos and losers.
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(03-04-2020 10:06 AM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  If you’re legitimately participating on this forum, I might assume you are a higher caliber of man than the masses. I’m by no means a beacon of perfect morality but I don’t get this. What’s the next step in getting a rush, shoplifting candy bars for the thrill of it? (it’s ok, poor people do it all the time)

The bible says follow the law, right?

Well, half this forum would be disqualified from the moral high ground because they've smoked weed. In most places, and almost all countries it is against the law to smoke weed.

What about steroids? A vocal portion of this forum posts about their steroid exploits. Are they all getting legit RX's from MDs?

That's not even getting into no adultery, which is god's law. How many people here are guilty of that?

In most places fare evasion results in a civil citation (and not arrest) much like a parking ticket.

Are some people here saying they've never, with intent, broken a law for any reason?
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I find this mentality a little repulsive. People thinking stuff is free or for grabs.

- Walmart make billions, let's steal stuff.
- Screw public transport! Middle finger to The Man!

Shareholders invest in Walmart expecting a return. Thanks to them Walmart is able to offer products for cheap, improving the lives of many. Margins are as low as it can be and cannot sustain constant theft.

Poor people benefit the most from public transport. Leeches don't know public transportation like train or subway requires a heavy investment and maintenance.


The easiest way to improve society would be to only allow tax payers to vote.
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