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RE: Health treatments and prevention for Coronavirus
I am proposing a systemic treatment not an individual treatment. If this is in the wrong section, I apologize.

One of the obvious imminent fear right now is social unrest. In NYC the police have decided not to respond to petty crimes because so many on the police force are infected. Jobless among the youth in addition to the lack of police response will inevitably lead to lawlessness, crime, looting. Already my apartment building is not responding to noise complaint. So many youths cramped up in their rooms, feeling like crap, smoking weed and playing loud music. The management do not want to patrol the building to identify who is the culprit for fear of virus exposure.

Since there is a lack of health care worker, we should immediately open up positions for 18-30 year olds to assist the nurses in taking care of coronavirus patients. They should be well paid, $50/hour with full health benefit, and receive priority for health care if they get sick. Much of nursing work is moving and cleaning patients, inserting IV. It involves very close patient contact but require very little skills. Nurses should be reserved for supervising. It will take only 1 week to train these basic skills. These young workers will have option to get personal protective equipment but minimal. The idea is that this demographic is the least vulnerable, and if they get infected, they become immune. As soon as they recover, you have a population of immune citizen who will not reinfect others. The only stipulation is that outside of patient care they have to stay away from anyone over 30. A nice hotel which has zero business now will provide free housing and delicious meals.

Now here comes the best part - small night club, bar, gym or entertainment venue , even classes will be provided. It will be optional for people to attend. It serves 2 purpose. 1 - It will be great for the youth to socialize again. Decompress, mental sanity. 2 - An optional situation to get infected with minimal symptoms and contribute to herd immunity. As those spring breakers said - I don't care if I get corona virus, nothing is going to stop me from partying!!!

All this will work as long as we keep the young separated from the old. And it will, because it is one long summer camp. You work hard during the day, and at night you get to mingle, party, chill with other young possibly good looking members of the opposite sex.

This proposal helps many industries and accelerate herd immunity.

- more healthcare workers
- high wage job for the unemployed
- decrease PPE (personal protective equipment) usage
- decrease crime
- empower youth. They are invincible superman using their immunity to help the vulnerable.
- let the young people have some fun FFS - bars, clubs, gym, theater
- revive the hotel industry
- train a new generation of health care workers. These kids will be accelerated doctors and nurses if they chose
- accelerate herd immunity
03-27-2020 08:41 AM
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RE: Health treatments and prevention for Coronavirus
New York hospitals treating coronavirus patients with vitamin C

https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/new-york-h...vitamin-c/
03-27-2020 12:32 PM
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RE: Health treatments and prevention for Coronavirus
(03-26-2020 04:06 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  "According to Gifford-Jones, M.D., high amounts of vitamin C offer a great way to avoid the threat of this virus. He recommends taking 2,000 mg doses twice a day to improve immunity. If you begin to develop flu-like symptoms, his recommendation is to take 2,000 mg every hour as your bowels tolerate it."

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/canadia...-3341.html
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How to make natural hand sanitizer from vinegar and aloe:

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/covid-1...-3342.html

Chris Masterjohn believes there's a potential risk with using high dose vitamin C as a preventative measure.

https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/what-im-d...oronavirus

Quote:Although I'm making sure I hit about 150 milligrams of vitamin C from foods, and I'll replace that with a supplement if I run into any shortage of fresh food, I am not using high-dose vitamin C. While I support the study of high-dose oral or intravenous vitamin C in critical care, and will follow any findings that emerge, I am concerned that vitamin C could increase interferon, which in SARS is a trigger for the “cytokine storm” that causes inflammatory damage in the lungs. As a result, I am staying away from high-dose vitamin C as a preventative.
03-27-2020 02:10 PM
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RE: Health treatments and prevention for Coronavirus
(03-27-2020 02:10 PM)Omad Wrote:  
(03-26-2020 04:06 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  "According to Gifford-Jones, M.D., high amounts of vitamin C offer a great way to avoid the threat of this virus. He recommends taking 2,000 mg doses twice a day to improve immunity. If you begin to develop flu-like symptoms, his recommendation is to take 2,000 mg every hour as your bowels tolerate it."

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/canadia...-3341.html
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How to make natural hand sanitizer from vinegar and aloe:

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/covid-1...-3342.html

Chris Masterjohn believes there's a potential risk with using high dose vitamin C as a preventative measure.

https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/what-im-d...oronavirus

Quote:Although I'm making sure I hit about 150 milligrams of vitamin C from foods, and I'll replace that with a supplement if I run into any shortage of fresh food, I am not using high-dose vitamin C. While I support the study of high-dose oral or intravenous vitamin C in critical care, and will follow any findings that emerge, I am concerned that vitamin C could increase interferon, which in SARS is a trigger for the “cytokine storm” that causes inflammatory damage in the lungs. As a result, I am staying away from high-dose vitamin C as a preventative.

Most studies indicate 200mg as a preventative measure, and an increase to 1000mg (maybe 2000 max) in response to infection. Very high dose vit. C should be given as an IV under strict medical supervision. But it might be effective in causing oxidative stress in cancer tumors, as well as in cells infected with a virus. The reason having to do with metabolism/glycolysis/PH/Glut-1 receptor upregulation.

Ascorbic acid in very high doses seem to cause oxidative stress in these environments, but leaving normal cells relatively undamaged. It`s important to note that high dose ascorbate has nothing to do with the anti-inflammatory effect of low dose vit C. High dose vit C is more about triggering oxidative stress in certain cells that are more susceptible. (I.e. tumors or virus infected cells)

We will stomp to the top with the wind in our teeth.

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03-27-2020 02:31 PM
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RE: Health treatments and prevention for Coronavirus
(03-27-2020 02:10 PM)Omad Wrote:  Chris Masterjohn believes there's a potential risk with using high dose vitamin C as a preventative measure.

https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/what-im-d...oronavirus

Yeah he also believes Vitamin D supplementation should be avoided as it might increase the expression of ACE2 receptors and could make one more vulnerable to catch covid.

He's the only guy that says to not take Vitamin D. Doesn't mean he's not right, but I don't know ... I'd be wary
03-28-2020 09:37 AM
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RE: Health treatments and prevention for Coronavirus
I am not a M.D., but have credentials in the natural sciences.
So to present my current understanding of the topic of COVID vs. Vitamin C.

I read up on cytokine storms:
From German wikipedia site.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zytokinsturm
Bei einem Zytokinsturm werden hohe Konzentrationen der Zytokine IL-6 und IL-8 sowie der Chemokine CCL2, CCL5, CXCL10 und CXCL9 gebildet.[3]
During a cytokine storm high concentrations of "Zytokine IL-6 und IL-8 sowie der Chemokine CCL2, CCL5, CXCL10 und CXCL9 " are produced. [in positive self enforcing feedback loop].

Symptoms:

Fieber, Übelkeit, Schüttelfrost, Arterielle Hypotonie, Tachykardie, Asthenie, Kopfschmerz, Exanthem und Dyspnoe.
Fever, Nausea, cold chills (shaking), hypotension?, tachycardia, general weakness, headache, exanthem, short breath.

From English wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_release_syndrome
This basically describes the critical progress of COVID-19.

Grades Toxicity
Grade 1 Mild reaction, infusion interruption not indicated; intervention not indicated
Grade 2 Therapy or infusion interruption indicated but responds promptly to symptomatic treatment (e.g., antihistamines, NSAIDS, narcotics, IV fluids); prophylactic medications indicated for <=24 hrs
Grade 3 Prolonged (e.g., not rapidly responsive to symptomatic medication or brief interruption of infusion); recurrence of symptoms following initial improvement; hospitalization indicated for clinical sequelae (e.g., renal impairment, pulmonary infiltrates)
Grade 4 Life-threatening consequences; pressor or ventilatory support indicated
Grade 5 Death

It's not the virus killing you, it's your immune system overreaction which leads to lung inflammation.

How does Vitamin C, work?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15271375
It inhibits some of the cytokine production or down regulates it, so some cells of your immune system are inhibited.
(or it helps to regulate down to a healthy level)

In that case, that may be the reason the saturation limit of Vitamin C increases depending on the level of inflammation/alert status in your body.

The question is, if it makes sense to take Vitamin C megadoses early on, which could? prevent proper immune response to the virus or wait until you get cold chills and fever, then start supplementing if the fever doesn't go down.

My personal conclusions:
In general, I think the Vitamin C mega doses are mainly to combat immune system overreaction. Regular moderate Vitamin C supplementation in the next weeks should be the base for a healthy immune system response.

The effects of Vitamin C supplementation to children seems to be actually reversed regarding specific cytokine production.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17344653

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