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Great datasheet.

I ordered two of these off Amazon a few days ago and they should arrive within a week: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00J38C7OC/

I doubt I'll get sick, but it's useful to have for friends & family. The plan is to see how it tastes just mixed in water, and if it's too sour then I'll add baking soda as per the video on the first page.

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The ascorbic acid powder really messed with my teeth!! I’m guessing the baking soda will solve that problem?
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I read, albeit brief quick research that baking powder lowers vit c absorption?
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I’ll stick with the liposomal vitamin c idea then. Taking ascorbic acid powder on its own (in water) is leaving my teeth feeling gritty (doubt its a brand issue but it’s the Holland and Barrett stuff). I don’t drink sodas like Coca-Cola anymore but it leaves my teeth feeling the same. I guess that’s just what ascorbic acid does.
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(03-06-2020 09:02 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  The ascorbic acid powder really messed with my teeth!! I’m guessing the baking soda will solve that problem?

How are you getting it on your teeth? Place a teaspoon of C-crystals in an ounce of water, mix a bit, pour it into the back of your throat, and swallow. About 95% goes down. Immediately follow up with a few swigs of water to get the rest down. I use NOW brand Vitamin C crystals (not powder).

Maybe the powder acts differently?
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No idea, found a good article on the topic though:
https://examine.com/nutrition/are-vitami...our-teeth/
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Does anyone feel like they get a metallic taste in the back of the throat when taking the vitamin C crystals?
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(03-06-2020 10:29 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  No idea, found a good article on the topic though:
https://examine.com/nutrition/are-vitami...our-teeth/

A good article? One of the dumbest articles that I have read.

Quote:Did you know that orange juice causes about as much dental erosion as soda, on a per-cup basis? Luckily, dose matters, and people are more likely to drink multiple cans of soda each and every day than multiple glasses of orange juice.

But that brings up an interesting question: ascorbic acid (aka vitamin C) is at fault for orange juice’s erosive effect. So what happens when you drink a powdered vitamin C supplement, which can contain up to 10 times more vitamin C than orange juice?

Most juices have the same amount of sugar as soda, which is why healthy people do not drink juice. Sugar is the problem. This has nothing to do with Vitamin C.

Even if the article were true, uh.... die from pneumonia from coronavirus ... or incur dental erosion. Duh... what should I do?
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(03-06-2020 09:58 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 09:02 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  The ascorbic acid powder really messed with my teeth!! I’m guessing the baking soda will solve that problem?

How are you getting it on your teeth? Place a teaspoon of C-crystals in an ounce of water, mix a bit, pour it into the back of your throat, and swallow. About 95% goes down. Immediately follow up with a few swigs of water to get the rest down. I use NOW brand Vitamin C crystals (not powder).

Maybe the powder acts differently?

I agree - no idea what you are doing. I am not even putting it in water - just taking some and drinking water. I don't even know how it could stay on the teeth. If it does, then takea different version, because I never even heard or read about it. MDs who treated thousands of patients haven't experienced anything about it.

I only saw how people did stupid shit like taking spoonfuls of vitamin c and mixing it with toxic bodybuilder workout powders that were filled with lots of interesting toxins - toxins which sometimes interact with vitamin C. And the best part is the guy taking huge doses daily because he thought more is more healthy - yeah just mix it with aspartame and benzoates which dissolve into benezes right away in your stomach.

All people I know and me just take a gulp of pure powder, then drink water afterwards - it's more like eating a pill. The citric taste isn't bad.

Whether sodium ascorbate has a lower absorption rate is irrelevant. You still take huge doses of vit c and it won't make a difference. And again - the majority won't do better with sodium ascorbate, but will have better reactions with pure l-ascorbic acid - the same stuff that MDs have been using since the 1950s.

It's exceedingly safe, but of course you can't take it with some toxic stuff and then blame vit c for the toxic stuff. Benzoates for example turn to benzene with any acids taken with it.

As for teeth studies that try to link it to vitamin C. Chewable vitamins are tricky since 98% of products are toxic. I wouldn't give it to my dog. And if you pick one of the good producers, then maybe you could do a study, but better account for dietary habits of that person too and check for sugar and fructose first.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/toothbrush.html

Here at the bottom you will find a couple dozen studies that already took a good glance at vitamin C and oral health. Turns out that vitamin C plasma levels improve oral health - nothing was found of it eroding enamel.

Also funny in the article above they mix vitamin C together with various sugary foods treating it as one category. Gummi bears and vitamin C chewables - the same. So my guess is that they picked the toxic Flintstone chewables as their test subject. Sure - if you want to poison your kid slowly with that crap....

Vitamin C Megadosing: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74755.html
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(03-07-2020 12:30 AM)fiasco360 Wrote:  Does anyone feel like they get a metallic taste in the back of the throat when taking the vitamin C crystals?

Never experienced it, but you may test out a different product in that case.

Vitamin C Megadosing: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74755.html
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(03-06-2020 08:24 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  But yeah - obviously I am attempting to kill Hawaiians who are very susceptible to this.

Your (((friends))) are too.

https://www.staradvertiser.com/2020/03/0...announces/

It's an island, and our government is a corrupt joke. This stuff will rip us apart.

I'm sticking to the vitamin c, but cutting back.

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(03-07-2020 02:02 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 10:29 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  No idea, found a good article on the topic though:
https://examine.com/nutrition/are-vitami...our-teeth/

A good article? One of the dumbest articles that I have read.

Quote:Did you know that orange juice causes about as much dental erosion as soda, on a per-cup basis? Luckily, dose matters, and people are more likely to drink multiple cans of soda each and every day than multiple glasses of orange juice.

But that brings up an interesting question: ascorbic acid (aka vitamin C) is at fault for orange juice’s erosive effect. So what happens when you drink a powdered vitamin C supplement, which can contain up to 10 times more vitamin C than orange juice?

Most juices have the same amount of sugar as soda, which is why healthy people do not drink juice. Sugar is the problem. This has nothing to do with Vitamin C.

Even if the article were true, uh.... die from pneumonia from coronavirus ... or incur dental erosion. Duh... what should I do?

Seems you need to grow up a little Tail Gunner. This is very childish commentary from you. Roosh was right when he said people are losing their cool in this thread and others. This is a time to stick together - not pull each other apart with silly straw man arguments.


(03-07-2020 02:02 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  Even if the article were true, uh.... die from pneumonia from coronavirus ... or incur dental erosion. Duh... what should I do?

I never presented that choice. The article doesn't either. I was in fact discussing alternate ways to take vitamin C in order to avoid negative consequences such as dental erosion - a worthy point of discussion.

In any event wrecking your health... in the pursuit of health is not very smart.

(03-07-2020 02:02 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  Most juices have the same amount of sugar as soda, which is why healthy people do not drink juice. Sugar is the problem. This has nothing to do with Vitamin C.

Quote:Vitamin C supplements that contact your teeth (chewable tablets, gummies, liquids) can impact enamel to varying degrees. Exposure time and frequency of dosing are important factors.


Quote:dumbest articles that I have read.

The author of the 'dumbest article that you have read' cites multiple scientific journals to support their analysis. Perhaps you missed them all.
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Check out the this twitter thread for some tips.


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(03-07-2020 04:50 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 09:58 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
(03-06-2020 09:02 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  The ascorbic acid powder really messed with my teeth!! I’m guessing the baking soda will solve that problem?

How are you getting it on your teeth? Place a teaspoon of C-crystals in an ounce of water, mix a bit, pour it into the back of your throat, and swallow. About 95% goes down. Immediately follow up with a few swigs of water to get the rest down. I use NOW brand Vitamin C crystals (not powder).

Maybe the powder acts differently?

I agree - no idea what you are doing. I am not even putting it in water - just taking some and drinking water. I don't even know how it could stay on the teeth. If it does, then takea different version, because I never even heard or read about it. MDs who treated thousands of patients haven't experienced anything about it.

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All people I know and me just take a gulp of pure powder, then drink water afterwards - it's more like eating a pill. The citric taste isn't bad.

A potentially viable method of consumption to consider - although may aggravate or cause acid reflux in some people (Ascorbic acid is pH 2. The stomach, when not digesting, is pH 4 to 6).

With regards to the commonly sold crystals and powder the suggested usage is as follows:
Now:
   
H&B:
   

So the manufacturer is recommending consumption in liquid form.

Any liquid you consume will come into contact with your teeth. You drink coffee it will come into contact with your teeth, same goes for soda. Vitamin C in liquid form is no exception.

(03-07-2020 04:50 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  It's exceedingly safe, but of course you can't take it with some toxic stuff and then blame vit c for the toxic stuff. Benzoates for example turn to benzene with any acids taken with it.
Agree.

(03-07-2020 04:50 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  As for teeth studies that try to link it to vitamin C. Chewable vitamins are tricky since 98% of products are toxic. I wouldn't give it to my dog. And if you pick one of the good producers, then maybe you could do a study, but better account for dietary habits of that person too and check for sugar and fructose first.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/toothbrush.html

Here at the bottom you will find a couple dozen studies that already took a good glance at vitamin C and oral health. Turns out that vitamin C plasma levels improve oral health - nothing was found of it eroding enamel.



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Vitamin C is a powerful antioxidant that also plays an important role in collagen synthesis, by which it helps you develop and maintain healthy gums.

So yes, consuming vitamin C it is good for oral health. But directly exposing enamel to ascorbic acid is not - Acorbic acid is a known demineralising agent. There are multiple published studies on this and they are easy to google. Sugar and Fructose are not the only factors in enamel erosion.

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https://www.researchgate.net/publication/265136445_Dental_Erosion_from_an_Excess_of_Vitamin_C
Dental Erosion from an Excess of Vitamin C
Priya Bahal and Serpil Djemal
Restorative Dentistry, King’s College Dental Institute, Camberwell, London SE5 9RS, UK

Acid erosion of enamel is the chemical dissolution of the superficial layers of teeth without the presence of bacteria. If the presence and exposure of a demineralising agent such as vitamin C is frequent and prolonged, it can lead to significant tooth wear. This case report discusses one such presentation and as a result of the occlusal relationship, this serves to effectively demonstrate the localised effects of vitamin C-induced acid erosion. The management of localised tooth wear with composite restorations utilising the Dahl principle to replace lost tooth tissue is also reported.
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Tooth wear is common and acid erosion from a variety of sources in our diet is a big factor in enamel loss. Vitamin C, chewed or in liquid form, can do a lot of damage to tooth enamel.
https://www.citydental.co.nz/customer-st...vitamin-c/

On balance I consider Vitamin C megadosing an essential course of action right now - just make sure you consider and mitigate any damage it can cause to your teeth via the process of demineralisation and don't fall into the trap of believing it's a universal panacea.
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< All the studies above are either mixed with orange juice or chewables which are toxic. Kiwi fruits and even oranges impact your teeth much more - however it's not proven that it works this way.
I could cite you literally dozens and dozens of studies where they attempted to prove that vit c damages the liver or is utterly ineffective against anything (usually ending at 500mg). There are studies which supposedly prove that it even taking them daily is bad for you - then they note that most people tested on some broad meta-study were taking dissolvable aspartame-rich crap-lements form the supermarket. They also constantly claim that it causes ulcers and is too acidic despite the fact that it gets absorbed by the body fast even if you overdo it heavily - but they claim that it starts from doses of 1000mg which is insane.

How about you check up on the so-called study because it's nothing more than one Nigerian bloke living in the UK going to a drug store and taking this superdrug:
https://www.superdrug.com/Health/Vitamin...p__details

Here the study:
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/crid/2014/485387/

By the way - google shows mainly this one case-study "results".

And here the big wonderful vitamin c product that the Nigerian chewed for 3 years multiple times a day:

Quote:Sucrose, Sodium Ascorbate, Ascorbic Acid, Maltodextrin, Stearic Acid, Magnesium Stearate, Hydroxypropylmethylcellulose, Silicon Dioxide, Starch, Flavouring, Antioxidant (Tartaric Acid), Modified Starch.

So sugar is not the issue, - sucrose and maltodextrin, starch and modified starch also transforms quickly into sugar. The other ingredients are slightly to medium toxic.

He could have chewed down on gummi bears.

So the so-called study thought that vitamin C was to be blamed?
Hm - interesting - I know kids who were allowed to drink lots of soft drinks every day and had massive problems with their teeth - must have been the vitamin C there.

The study is beyond inconclusive - far far beyond.

That said - I wouldn't recommend most chewables including the best ones as a treat for kids. Treat it like a bonbon because they have plenty of stuff added to it and you keep it in your mouth for far longer.

As for vitamin C itself being guilty of it - that is highly doubtful.

And you can obviously go back and find lots of wonderful studies that tell you that this does not work and you absolutely must not take more than 500mg per day and even that is too much because it gives you ulcers, dissolves your teeth, kills you generally. Take the AIDS meds mate. I am sure that the globalist super-machine and the study made by an Indian British citizen with the Nigerian sugar-pill chewer is the way to go.

It's actually interesting because this could actually be easily provable via a simple chemical study on extracted teeth, but whatever .... that Nigerian is currently the only guy out there "proving" this hypothesis. Generally orthomolecular MDs are happy to accept weaknesses of their treatments - they have little to hide there and if they found vitamin C to be such a powerful tooth-destroyer that is worse than sugar, fructose and lots of other foods, then they would publish it so that everyone just drinks it fast. But no....

Vitamin C Megadosing: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74755.html
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Sorry Simeon_Strangelight but you are off base here.

Quote:I could cite you literally dozens and dozens of studies where they attempted to prove that vit c damages the liver or is utterly ineffective against anything (usually ending at 500mg).
Quote:And you can obviously go back and find lots of wonderful studies that tell you that this does not work and you absolutely must not take more than 500mg per day and even that is too much because it gives you ulcers, dissolves your teeth, kills you generally. Take the AIDS meds mate. I am sure that the globalist super-machine and the study made by an Indian British citizen with the Nigerian sugar-pill chewer is the way to go.

I'm talking specifically about damage to tooth enamel caused the the acidic nature of ascorbic acid (with a low of pH 2.0) - Not the liver, not ulcers or anything else.

I think I was extremely clear in my support for vitamin C supplementation otherwise. I don't doubt its efficacy and fully intend to continue megadosing vitamin C orally. However I will do the smart thing and acknowledge the fact that it is a demineralising agent and adjust the intake method accordingly. I'll probably use liposomal vitamin C method to help protect my teeth. You seem to be hearing 'Vitamin C bad!' when I'm saying nothing of the sort.

From the King’s College Dental Institute study:
Quote:It is well known that vitamin C (ascorbic acid) has a low pH and so can contribute to dental erosion. In comparison to citric and phosphoric acid, which is found in many carbonated drinks, ascorbic acid has been proven to be relatively more erosive.

Pure unadulterated Ascorbic acid has Lower pH (2.0) than most sodas. That's a fact.

For your reference The pH of beverages in the United States:
https://www.ada.org/en/~/media/ADA/Publi...d%20States

   

So you're telling me its all lies? Colgate must be in on it too!:
Quote:Remember, the lower the pH level on the scale, the more acidic and more harmful it is. It stands to reason that more acidic toothpastes can be especially harmful to your enamel in the long run.
...
Your enamel starts to demineralize when exposed to a pH level of about 5.5
https://www.colgate.com/en-us/oral-healt...namel-0316

and this:
http://www.cda-adc.ca/jcda/vol-69/issue-...df#page=22


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Look - you don't keep pure vitamin C for minutes and hours in your mouth. Even heavy users gulp down the stuff 4 times daily and the impact is less than taking a drink of orange juice.

Still - the only study that clearly supports this thesis that vitamin C dissolves heavily the teeth is about that Nigerian chewing sugary vitamin C pills with other toxic ingredients.





I might do that test with highly vit c heavy sodium ascorbate and compare it to Coca Cola - I think I will rather have my chances with vit C.

That's all - I frankly don't want to continue this vit c teeth discussion, because I seriously doubt that it's worse for your teeth than Coca Cola, thus it does not matter.

And chewable supplements - yeah - be careful with them no matter what.

Vitamin C Megadosing: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74755.html
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(03-07-2020 03:41 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Look - you don't keep pure vitamin C for minutes and hours in your mouth. Even heavy users gulp down the stuff 4 times daily and the impact is less than taking a drink of orange juice.

Same applies to soda right? And we all know the effect of sodas. Got a citation for that orange juice claim? Orange juice has a pH of 3.3 to 4.2, ascorbic acid is 2.0 pH.

(03-07-2020 03:41 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Still - the only study that clearly supports this thesis that vitamin C dissolves heavily the teeth is about that Nigerian chewing sugary vitamin C pills with other toxic ingredients.


https://www.researchgate.net/publication...h_A_Review
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Vitamin C is considered as deminerlizing agent and leads to significant tooth wear if its consumption is frequent and prolonged since chewable vitamin C tablets have been reported to have a pH of 2.3 that is lower than the critical point (5.5) at which enamel dissolves (19). Meurman and Murtomaa (20) found that vitamin C products caused distinct erosion and disclosure of dentine in specimens (bovine tooth specimens immersed for 100 hr in 100 ml of the test vitamin C solutions). Also Touyz (21) found that excessive consumption of fruit juices lead to dental erosion, attrition, and dentinal hypersensitivity.


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I might do that test with highly vit c heavy sodium ascorbate and compare it to Coca Cola - I think I will rather have my chances with vit C.


That would be the wrong test. sodium ascorbate is not that same as ascorbic acid. We are specifically talking about ascorbic acid - as supplied by the product manufacturers like 'Now' and 'Holland & Baratt' in their 'vitamin c' powder or cystal product formulations. My original statement was:

Quote: The ascorbic acid powder really messed with my teeth!! I’m guessing the baking soda will solve that problem?
I found the effect noticeable after 1 dose as per the manufacturer's recommendations.

Ascorbic acid has a pH of 2.0. This is a fact. Demineralization begins when exposed to a pH level of about 5.5. This is a fact.

Sodium Ascorbate on the other hand is the non-acidic, buffered form of Vitamin C in a highly soluble form. Much better for your teeth:
Quote:Minute crystals or white powder. pH of aqueous solutions 5.6 to 7.0 or even higher (a 10% solution, made from a commercial grade, may have a pH of 7.4 to 7.7). (NTP, 1992)
https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compoun...-ascorbate

Just remember that in high doses Sodium ascorbate is not good if you have hypertension.

(03-07-2020 03:41 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  That's all - I frankly don't want to continue this vit c teeth discussion, because I seriously doubt that it's worse for your teeth than Coca Cola, thus it does not matter.

Just because you 'doubt it' doesn't mean it does not matter or is not true. Let's not ignore the potentially significant impact on our dental health when it can be easily addressed and remedied by use of a buffered product.
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Get elderberry+zinc lozenges
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For pure vitamin C just eat a damn lemon or an orange, take the powders sparingly only when doing cyclical megadoses.

For (((coronavirus))) or anything that starts with a viral load in the lungs, you need to start there to turn back the tide.

Take cordyceps mushroom powder (fruiting body not mycelium) as it strengthens the lungs and repairs lung tissue. You don't need much else.

I recommend 1/2 teaspoon a day for starters, going up to a tablespoon in spurts throughout the day if you are infected.

Also many olympic athletes have used it for years as a burst of speed in lieu of steroids. Great for performance and health and vigor any way you take it.

Maintain healthy lungs and you won't be incapacitated by such indignities.

You can't cheat nature.
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(03-07-2020 04:31 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  Just because you 'doubt it' doesn't mean it does not matter or is not true. Let's not ignore the potentially significant impact on our dental health when it can be easily addressed and remedied by use of a buffered product.

The acidity does not matter that much when it's not the acidity of citrus juice and coca cola is doing the damage. It's what later sticks to the teeth. Try doing it with pure powder and what sticks to the teeth and affects them.

There is nothing literally nothing that proves it - the only case is about one bloke who chewed sugary gummy-bear vitamin C supplements which stuck to his teeth.

Once you have more data than the very acidity of vitamin C and not the actually proved destruction of enamel, then come back. And the one Nigerian is no study.

Here question raised years before:
http://vitamincfoundation.com/forum/view...php?t=1283

Most people experience threngthening of enamal and teeth after having started taking 5000mg+ daily. That is in line with the experience told.

WE can agree upon the careful taking on chewable vitamin C because of added ingredients and sugar/sweeteners. If you want to feel better, drink always enough water after taking pure powder. I doubt it's necessary to be concerned about it. I have been taking it for years and I never saw an issue with it. It's probably something else doing it.

Whatever - enough of it. I won't respond anymore.

Vitamin C Megadosing: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74755.html
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(03-07-2020 06:01 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(03-07-2020 04:31 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  Just because you 'doubt it' doesn't mean it does not matter or is not true. Let's not ignore the potentially significant impact on our dental health when it can be easily addressed and remedied by use of a buffered product.

(03-07-2020 06:01 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  The acidity does not matter that much when it's not the acidity of citrus juice and coca cola is doing the damage. It's what later sticks to the teeth. Try doing it with pure powder and what sticks to the teeth and affects them.

'Acid erosion of enamel is the chemical dissolution of the superficial layers of teeth without the presence of bacteria'. Yes, acidity matters and has the potential to the damage teeth by itself.

(03-07-2020 06:01 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Here question raised years before:
http://vitamincfoundation.com/forum/view...php?t=1283

That link is to a forum post by alternative medicine practitioner followed by a couple of opinions. All it really shows is others have experienced similar dental issues.


(03-07-2020 06:01 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  There is nothing literally nothing that proves it - the only case is about one bloke who chewed sugary gummy-bear vitamin C supplements which stuck to his teeth.
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Once you have more data than the very acidity of vitamin C and not the actually proved destruction of enamel, then come back. And the one Nigerian is no study.

You are dismissing a study from a respected institution (King’s College Dental Institute) based on the race of the subject (quote: 'nothing more than one Nigerian bloke living in the UK... Nigerian sugar-pill chewer...'), blame the 'globalist super-machine'. and say the study [is] 'made by an Indian British citizen'.

You instead offer a link to an obscure 14 year old post by an alternative medicine practitioner with opinion replies by 'BimLanders' and 'blueskymyne'. Get a grip!


I've already linked to another paper in a previous post:

Quote:Meurman and Murtomaa (20) found that vitamin C products caused distinct erosion and disclosure of dentine in specimens (bovine tooth specimens immersed for 100 hr in 100 ml of the test vitaminC solutions). Also Touyz (21) found that excessive consumption of fruit juices lead to dental erosion, attrition, and dentinal hypersensitivity.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...h_A_Review

I invite you to check it out.

Quote:Tooth wear is common and acid erosion from a variety of sources in our diet is a big factor in enamel loss. Vitamin C, chewed or in liquid form, can do a lot of damage to tooth enamel.

pH is a proven and fundamental scientific concept so let's not ignore it.

[Image: 320px-216_pH_Scale-01.jpg]

Take a look at this if you haven't already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH
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< For bloody hell - you are again quoting this suger-pill-chewing Nigerian and a study about fruit juices? Yeah - I am sure that the 40-80mg/fruit vitamin C content is the issue here.

If ph was an issue with frequent taking of vitamin C, then you would quickly see tooth issues with lots of orthomolecular practitioners. You don't - you have to either add fruit juices or sugar-pill-chewables to achieve that. Could the vitc content exacerbate the already known destructive force of sugar and fructose? Sure - possible.

That NIgerian case is nothing more than a preliminary observation - not any proof of causation or any indication. The thousands of experiences of people using pure l-ascorbic acid however are already fare greater case studies that it's more likely the sugar in the chewable than the vitamin C.

But you won't listen, so be it. And quoting studies about fruit juices is bullshit. I could point you to real-life interviews of ex-vegans out of whom the majority say that especially the fruitarian diet destroyed their teeth - not only due to lack of nutrients internally, but also the sheer amount of fruit and juices they consumed. We are not meant to chew, drink juices at all.

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(03-07-2020 07:57 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < For bloody hell - you are again quoting this suger-pill-chewing Nigerian and a study about fruit juices? Yeah - I am sure that the 40-80mg/fruit vitamin C content is the issue here.

If ph was an issue with frequent taking of vitamin C, then you would quickly see tooth issues with lots of orthomolecular practitioners. You don't - you have to either add fruit juices or sugar-pill-chewables to achieve that. Could the vitc content exacerbate the already known destructive force of sugar and fructose? Sure - possible.

That NIgerian case is nothing more than a preliminary observation - not any proof of causation or any indication. The thousands of experiences of people using pure l-ascorbic acid however are already fare greater case studies that it's more likely the sugar in the chewable than the vitamin C.

But you won't listen, so be it. And quoting studies about fruit juices is bullshit. I could point you to real-life interviews of ex-vegans out of whom the majority say that especially the fruitarian diet destroyed their teeth - not only due to lack of nutrients internally, but also the sheer amount of fruit and juices they consumed. We are not meant to chew, drink juices at all.

Again, I provided you with another paper which you are wilfully ignoring because it doesn't fit your agenda.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...h_A_Review

You've provided nothing but a link to an obscure post by a practitioner of alternative medicine and talk about real life interviews of vegans.

You appear to be ignorant about basic scientific concepts, talk about conspiracy theories and talk about race. You seem unable to appreciate the difference between ascorbic acid and ascorbate or to understand the pH concept and it's relevance to ascorbic acid and enamel.

Next you'll be telling me dentists are in on it too:
https://www.citydental.co.nz/customer-st...vitamin-c/
   
   
https://lumino.co.nz/blog/oral-health-re...our-teeth/
   
   
https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/heal...al-erosion
   
Colgate must be lying too:
https://www.colgate.com/en-us/oral-healt...teeth-1115

(Remember that Ascorbic acid - when prepared to the manufacturers guidelines - is an acidic drink).

Along with the authors of the 'The pH of beverages in the United States' paper:
https://www.ada.org/en/~/media/ADA/Publi...d%20States

Ascorbic acid, the clue is in the name.


And while I definitely recognise the real benefits of ascorbic acid (including megadosing), I also appreciate the potential damage it can cause when it comes into contact with enamel. I urge anyone reading this to supplement with it but simply take the precautions necessary to protect their teeth.

I've noticed this sort 'nutritional evangelism' before in other areas of alternate medicine. While it can be a good thing, any time a treatment cannot be questioned, qualified or have it's limits recognised is a bit of a red flag and in *some cases* it can be quite frankly dangerous.
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So if we basically take a "shot" of it then chase that down with water afterwards are we encountering many issues?
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