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(Today 11:56 AM)Enoch Wrote:  Trump has about 1 week to call horseshit on Corona or he is losing my vote.

If Trump wanted to set himself way, way out in front, he should call an emergency press conference and make an announcement something like:

"Like other countries, our great nation has been hit with a virus that has caused widespread illness and death. Many of the good people watching this conference have had their lives touched, either by loss of a loved one, or by personal illness, due to this virus. This a tragedy for us all as human beings, and for this nation.

Disasters don't break America, disasters make America stronger. Americans are not "cower in place" people. Americans are builders, inventors, explorers, entrepreneurs, producers, and bust their ass workers!

America is strong when America is working! The engine of our economy sets the pace for countries across the globe. The 6.6 million Americans who just filed for unemployment do not want unemployment checks, they want to go back to work!

Starting today, I am rescinding the declaration of a national emergency due to the Corona Virus. States may choose to maintain their own status if they wish to do so, but other than the checks to individuals already promised, the States will do it without Federal monetary aid of any kind.

America is open for business again....."


Obviously not going to happen. Those kind of balls don't exist in Washington.

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(Today 08:59 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  Wow, people are in full walkback mode about those stupid models.


Maybe I just don't spend enough time on the internet, because I don't remember the people who put out the models telling me BEFORE they failed that they were intended to be "useful, not accurate".

Any of you guys remember that happening?

Well, he's not wrong. The models were useful for pushing an agenda. If they were accurate no one would have freaked out and been willing to give up their freedoms.
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They can't be useful unless they're accurate, at least directionally. Nobody is expecting a model to be accurate to five decimal places, but we're off by orders of magnitude here or even just completely directionally inaccurate. Scott Adams really needs to give up his ACKCHUALLLLLY stick.
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(Today 10:55 AM)Enoch Wrote:  
(03-11-2020 01:22 PM)Latan Wrote:  I'll look into this tread, in a month.
I hope it'll age well.
I really do.

It aged well.


To everyone who was there from the beginning.
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Anyone know why 'Kid Twist' was banned? This was the last thread that he posted in.
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(Today 12:24 PM)renotime Wrote:  
(Today 10:59 AM)scorpion Wrote:  My concern now is that so many people have bought into the virus scare so completely that they will be unable to admit to themselves that the entire thing was massively overblown. Rather than deal with the mental pain of realizing that not only were they suckered, but that they also reacted in a shameful and cowardly fashion, they will double down on the virus. They will demand more draconian measures and permanent changes to society, simply because these will serve to validate their feelings that the virus MUST have been a truly dangerous threat all along. To admit otherwise, to admit that you went along with voluntarily surrendering your rights and freedoms and destroying the economy simply because you were afraid of catching the cold...is simply too painful for people to bear. So they will prolong this fantasy indefinitely in order to avoid this harsh reckoning with the truth.

I don't hold it against anyone who expressed fear and concern over the virus several weeks ago. We're all human and imperfect, and these are natural human emotions when dealing with something like this. But anyone on this forum who's still pushing this virus as any kind of serious threat - much less as something that warrants these absurd national shutdowns - is completely discredited in my eyes. You are without excuse. The facts are now clear. The models were disastrously wrong. The shutdowns will end up causing multiple orders of magnitude more human suffering than the virus itself, just as the skeptics predicted would happen. And that's not even mentioning the incredible long-term damage to our civil liberties that will probably result from this.

If you got it wrong, that's ok. No one is right all the time. Just admit it and move on. Don't double down to defend the indefensible just to protect your ego.

And most of all, never forget what happens when you panic and make decisions based on fear.

You had guys on here believing millions would die and praising communists. None of them are going to admit they were wrong.

But wouldn't you want to be wrong about that?

The models were wrong, and we are undoubtedly still being lied to daily.

My main struggle is trying to reconcile the deaths in China vs the rest of the world deaths. The virus we saw in Wuhan at first, that freaked everyone here out so badly, and that may have killed millions of Chinese has been maximally covered up, while the death toll numbers for the rest of the world have paled in comparison and have been vastly over reported. How can that be? Maybe it was never so deadly all along and we were seeing carefully crafted propaganda, but we also know the virus has evolved and mutated significantly.

I believe the virus has mutated into a far less deadly version than the original Wuhan strain, as viruses tend to do we have learned. There are several strains "in the wild", perhaps a deadlier one in the Middle East/Iran/Saudi Arabia direct from China, a mid-range one in Europe, and a more mild one in the US. It's not an excuse for the complete failure of the models, but perhaps they were largely based on the original strain that had a far higher death rate, and when far less was known about treatment. The original strain was reported to have a death rate of 5-7% or higher, and now it seems like the death rate has been reduced to less than .5%, reportedly ~.37% now in the US. Probably far less considering all the asymptomatic people who haven't been tested and are fine. If it wasn't "just the flu bro" at first, it probably is by now, however, further mutations are unknown and still pose a danger.

But never let a good crisis go to waste. Trump's initial instincts were right, that it would soon pass. But he was corralled into the plan since then, maybe by threatening his re-election and blaming him with millions of deaths scared him and he was taken advantage of based on his germophobia. The largest outbreak being in his hometown of NY must be a huge factor as well, he is trying to help his people and feels personally affected by the deaths undoubtedly. Or maybe he was compromised during the Impeachment in January and is being forced to abdicate his authority and given total control to Dr. Fausti. Or maybe it doesn't matter whether he goes along with it or not, as we have seen he has little or no control over his administration still 4 years in, so the rogue deep state and the people above him are going ahead with it whether he likes it or not. It seems clear the democrats are using this to institute their socialist takeover of America one way or the other, and this all dovetails perfectly with their Green New Deal and Climate Change hoax.

Funny how the Dems have basically gotten everything they wanted in their Green New Deal plan, all they had to do was have the Fake News media crank the FEAR to 1000% and the RINOS rolled over and gave them everything they ever wanted. The printer press has been goin BRRRRR, half the counrty is out of work and on welfare, and the govt has instantly become more bloated than ever before. No wonder Bernie dropped out, he basically won the election already, Every Republican suddenly became Sanders 2.0, Trump included. He abdicated his authority to Dr. Fausti in March, and unless he gets rid of him and takes back control immediately the economy will die.

If our economy is a body, then money is like bloodflow. Much like the virus curve, the money flow curve has been flattened, the bloodflow of our economy is at a standstill, and the longer the flow stops, the quicker the economy's vital organs will begin to wither and die. And there will be no coming back from the organ death and economic damage if this goes on for another month. There are already 17 MILLION people out of work in less than a month, 3 weeks. Trump's initial instincts of re-opening by Easter were probably the absolute deadline for a restart. If we don't resurrect the economy by next week we will begin to experience organ-death for our economy, and then the real pain will begin for us all. The Democrat Chinese sponsored Communists are going to get their glorious revolution one way or the other, breadlines and welfare for all.
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A note on Taleb mentioned above and this is coming from someone who enjoys his writing and is partially middle eastern. Taleb is a middle eastern intellectual who is constantly being poked/prodded by other intellectuals. He loves to insult them and call them IYIs and mentions midwits quite a bit. His overall writing style indicates that he trusts the Joe Schmoe on the street who picks up your garbage versus some ivory tower intellectual from Harvard because of "skin in the game" and the inherently strong street smarts/instincts (not being an "intellectual yet idiot") What is Joe Schmoe saying here? This is bullshit. (I'm not saying this is the case but the general census I've been seeing)

He has a MASSIVE chip on his shoulder and if he can appear right he will revel in any chance he gets. Coronavirus was his time to shine and in no way shape or form will he admit any type of defeat or give up any ground. I get his central argument that there are fat tailed risks associated with viruses and such but he doesn't emphasize externalities. You see a lot of likes on Twitter comments where his followers equate the actions we took with wearing a seat belt. "You don't need data and double blind studies to wear a seatbelt" or "You don't need studies to use a parachute while skydiving!" A bunch of false equivalence.

He also has an inferiority complex when it comes to his ME descent and basically wants to be Greek. That being said - I will still read his material.
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If you truly want a sickening youtube shill for this shit and then get even more despairing for by reading the below "informed, not normie" YouTube comments,

Look no further than the very punchable round-headed face of Chris Masterson's Peak Prosperity channel that has been following COVID 19 like a hawk declaring the world will fall apart ANYDAY now for the last 2 months.

Chris... Chris... just shut up.
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(Today 12:24 PM)renotime Wrote:  
(Today 10:59 AM)scorpion Wrote:  My concern now is that so many people have bought into the virus scare so completely that they will be unable to admit to themselves that the entire thing was massively overblown. Rather than deal with the mental pain of realizing that not only were they suckered, but that they also reacted in a shameful and cowardly fashion, they will double down on the virus. They will demand more draconian measures and permanent changes to society, simply because these will serve to validate their feelings that the virus MUST have been a truly dangerous threat all along. To admit otherwise, to admit that you went along with voluntarily surrendering your rights and freedoms and destroying the economy simply because you were afraid of catching the cold...is simply too painful for people to bear. So they will prolong this fantasy indefinitely in order to avoid this harsh reckoning with the truth.

I don't hold it against anyone who expressed fear and concern over the virus several weeks ago. We're all human and imperfect, and these are natural human emotions when dealing with something like this. But anyone on this forum who's still pushing this virus as any kind of serious threat - much less as something that warrants these absurd national shutdowns - is completely discredited in my eyes. You are without excuse. The facts are now clear. The models were disastrously wrong. The shutdowns will end up causing multiple orders of magnitude more human suffering than the virus itself, just as the skeptics predicted would happen. And that's not even mentioning the incredible long-term damage to our civil liberties that will probably result from this.

If you got it wrong, that's ok. No one is right all the time. Just admit it and move on. Don't double down to defend the indefensible just to protect your ego.

And most of all, never forget what happens when you panic and make decisions based on fear.

You had guys on here believing millions would die and praising communists. None of them are going to admit they were wrong.

But wouldn't you want to be wrong about that?

If you analyze the CCP, taking Corona virus totally out of the picture, but based on their past actions, they are running a Marxist totalitarian state. You have Tiananmen Square, destruction of Tibet, organ harvesting, unsafe wet markets perpetuated by superstition, censorship, Orwellian social credit system, and crushing of anyone who disagrees with the government. The doctor who tried to warn them of the coronavirus was essentially tortured and killed. People who still defend the CCP are not friends of liberty or Western culture.

Rico... Sauve....
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And people can't just blame the models for their complete lack of critical thinking. Even after the real numbers started coming in and they were FAR below estimates, you still had (still have) people claiming it's going to be millions dead. Wasn't it just last week they were predicting over 3000 dead in one day (yesterday if I'm not mistaken) in NYC alone?
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(Today 12:24 PM)renotime Wrote:  
(Today 10:59 AM)scorpion Wrote:  My concern now is that so many people have bought into the virus scare so completely that they will be unable to admit to themselves that the entire thing was massively overblown. Rather than deal with the mental pain of realizing that not only were they suckered, but that they also reacted in a shameful and cowardly fashion, they will double down on the virus. They will demand more draconian measures and permanent changes to society, simply because these will serve to validate their feelings that the virus MUST have been a truly dangerous threat all along. To admit otherwise, to admit that you went along with voluntarily surrendering your rights and freedoms and destroying the economy simply because you were afraid of catching the cold...is simply too painful for people to bear. So they will prolong this fantasy indefinitely in order to avoid this harsh reckoning with the truth.

I don't hold it against anyone who expressed fear and concern over the virus several weeks ago. We're all human and imperfect, and these are natural human emotions when dealing with something like this. But anyone on this forum who's still pushing this virus as any kind of serious threat - much less as something that warrants these absurd national shutdowns - is completely discredited in my eyes. You are without excuse. The facts are now clear. The models were disastrously wrong. The shutdowns will end up causing multiple orders of magnitude more human suffering than the virus itself, just as the skeptics predicted would happen. And that's not even mentioning the incredible long-term damage to our civil liberties that will probably result from this.

If you got it wrong, that's ok. No one is right all the time. Just admit it and move on. Don't double down to defend the indefensible just to protect your ego.

And most of all, never forget what happens when you panic and make decisions based on fear.

You had guys on here believing millions would die and praising communists. None of them are going to admit they were wrong.

But wouldn't you want to be wrong about that?

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/co...edictions/

"A narrative rocketed around social media earlier today: An Imperial College study said that COVID-19 could kill 500,000 Brits, but in recent testimony, Neil Ferguson, the head of the group behind the study, put the number below 20,000. Clearly the lying alarmist was walking back his ridiculous predictions!

Well, no. The paper actually offered simulations of numerous scenarios. The one resulting in 500,000 deaths was one where Great Britain just carried on life as before. Other scenarios, where the country locked down whenever it was necessary to stop the disease’s spread, put death totals below 20,000. (See the rightmost death columns of Tables 4 and 5.)

Since the paper came out, Great Britain has adopted a strategy of aggressively containing the virus and expanded its intensive-care capacity, so a prediction of a much lower death toll and less stress on ICUs hardly seems surprising.

Models like this will always turn out to be wrong in some way or other, because they rely on very strong assumptions about aspects of the disease we haven’t thoroughly studied yet. If nothing else, the original Imperial model will be obsolete soon, because it didn’t predict what could happen with extensive testing and contact tracing, which is likely the next step once the spread is contained and we have enough tests to go around. But it hasn’t been walked back just yet.
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https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperia...3-2020.pdf

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(Today 01:52 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  If you truly want a sickening youtube shill for this shit and then get even more despairing for the midwits of our world, you can do so by reading the below "informed, not normie" YouTube comments of a certain channel.

Look no further than the very punchable round-headed face of Chris Masterson's Peak Prosperity channel that has been following COVID 19 like a hawk declaring the world will fall apart ANYDAY now for the last 2 months.

Chris... Chris... just shut up.
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(Today 01:38 PM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  The models were wrong, and we are undoubtedly still being lied to daily.

My main struggle is trying to reconcile the deaths in China vs the rest of the world deaths. The virus we saw in Wuhan at first, that freaked everyone here out so badly, and that may have killed millions of Chinese has been maximally covered up, while the death toll numbers for the rest of the world have paled in comparison and have been vastly over reported. How can that be? Maybe it was never so deadly all along and we were seeing carefully crafted propaganda, but we also know the virus has evolved and mutated significantly.

My guess- ventilators and antivirals killed people in Wuhan. Then the CCP either got paid/told to pretend like this was a big deal and got to kill some dissidents and figured why not.
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I think we are far from the end of this despite a small portion of the population already seeing through the first smoke screen. There is a big move by the deep state to shift the center of financial and political power from the US to china. Many top politicians are in their control. Canadian prime minister just echoed Bill gates words.. 'Things will not go back to normal until every one is vaccinated'. Maybe some smaller countries will return to normal and the first world will get a few months to relax. One step back before the next two steps forward. WW2 and the events leading up to it are now out of global living memory. They know we are vulnerable.
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The faux media keeps trying to discredit Sweden, because if they continue their strategy, it will be valuable evidence that the hysterical overreaction and destruction of the economy was not necessary. They say Sweden is taking a "risky" strategy with the unstated presumption that lockdown is somehow not equally risky.

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/9/21213472/co...ases-death

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(Today 02:05 PM)Troller Wrote:  https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/co...edictions/

"[i]A narrative rocketed around social media earlier today: An Imperial College study said that COVID-19 could kill 500,000 Brits, but in recent testimony, Neil Ferguson, the head of the group behind the study, put the number below 20,000. Clearly the lying alarmist was walking back his ridiculous predictions!

Well, no. The paper actually offered simulations of numerous scenarios. The one resulting in 500,000 deaths was one where Great Britain just carried on life as before. Other scenarios, where the country locked down whenever it was necessary to stop the disease’s spread, put death totals below 20,000. (See the rightmost death columns of Tables 4 and 5.)

So, he's not walking back his ridiculous model? The one that says all of the social lockdowns must be:

Quote:...maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more)

That's even worse! There won't be anything left of the UK to salvage after 18 months. Seems like step one in building a pandemic model is to assume reality doesn't exist.
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Is it possible that the US planted this virus in Wuhan so they could blame China and have an excuse to reneg on the $1.1 Trillion dollars of debt we owe them?

And what would happen if we used the virus as an excuse to reneg on that debt?
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(Today 03:02 PM)Salinger Wrote:  Is it possible that the US planted this virus in Wuhan so they could blame China and have an excuse to reneg on the $1.1 Trillion dollars of debt we owe them?

And what would happen if we used the virus as an excuse to reneg on that debt?

Why print over $2 trillion and tank the economy just to avoid paying $1 trillion?
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Also the air quality is probably many times worse in Wuhan than any American city large or small.

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(Today 02:34 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
(Today 02:05 PM)Troller Wrote:  https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/co...edictions/

"[i]A narrative rocketed around social media earlier today: An Imperial College study said that COVID-19 could kill 500,000 Brits, but in recent testimony, Neil Ferguson, the head of the group behind the study, put the number below 20,000. Clearly the lying alarmist was walking back his ridiculous predictions!

Well, no. The paper actually offered simulations of numerous scenarios. The one resulting in 500,000 deaths was one where Great Britain just carried on life as before. Other scenarios, where the country locked down whenever it was necessary to stop the disease’s spread, put death totals below 20,000. (See the rightmost death columns of Tables 4 and 5.)

So, he's not walking back his ridiculous model? The one that says all of the social lockdowns must be:

Quote:...maintained until a vaccine becomes available (potentially 18 months or more)

That's even worse! There won't be anything left of the UK to salvage after 18 months. Seems like step one in building a pandemic model is to assume reality doesn't exist.

The hysteria and panic In England is off the scale. Friends and families are turning on each other - It's literally all through fear of being brainwashed by the media 24/7 about this killer virus.

I'll admit i was scared at first (because I have health issues) even though like other members here I'm pretty sure I had it back it January (it ruined me for 3 weeks).

But now I feel the globalists/evil people have pulled off the biggest scam in human history. The UK will never recover in my lifetime although I hope I'm dead wrong.

From people snitching on each other, sharing videos of others hanging in groups with family members calling them (scum of the earth).

I literally can't see any way back for the economy.
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(Today 10:59 AM)scorpion Wrote:  My concern now is that so many people have bought into the virus scare so completely that they will be unable to admit to themselves that the entire thing was massively overblown.

It wasn't overblown, and it's not over yet. Way too soon for victory dances.

Quote:Rather than deal with the mental pain of realizing that not only were they suckered, but that they also reacted in a shameful and cowardly fashion, they will double down on the virus.

If I lived my life on the internet I might care about this. Instead I live my life in the real world and will be extremely pleased when I am able to bring my wife and son home from the hospital without worrying about catching Chinese bat disease from someone who got it because he was too lazy and immature to wear a mask, citing trite libertarian slogans.

Quote:They will demand more draconian measures and permanent changes to society, simply because these will serve to validate their feelings that the virus MUST have been a truly dangerous threat all along.

Defend liberty without denying reality! Why is this so hard? Why must you tank your credibility denying basic facts, or relying on absurdly optimistic interpretations and desperate wishful thinking? It's completely unnecessary.

Especially when we have a President who has actively resisted taking extreme authoritarian measures even as it has been become clear to anyone rational the most effective solution would have been a HARD 3-week shutdown instead of a half-assed indefinite partial quarantine that will wind up costing us far more in the long run. He has left major decisions in the hands of State and Local governments. He has worked with private industry to solve supply issues. He has avoided abusing the DPA (and issued satisfying smackdowns of ignorant reporters trying to play gotcha with him about it).

There is much to be optimistic about. We can still fight for liberty and sanity, but it does not help to weaken the case by ignoring basic biological facts and sane risk analyses. It does not help to disingenuously and myopically attack best-effort models published in a time of great uncertainty for a straw man effect, while ignoring the bigger picture and basic biological facts and field evidence.

Quote:I don't hold it against anyone who expressed fear and concern over the virus several weeks ago. We're all human and imperfect, and these are natural human emotions when dealing with something like this. But anyone on this forum who's still pushing this virus as any kind of serious threat - much less as something that warrants these absurd national shutdowns - is completely discredited in my eyes. You are without excuse. The facts are now clear. The models were disastrously wrong. The shutdowns will end up causing multiple orders of magnitude more human suffering than the virus itself, just as the skeptics predicted would happen. And that's not even mentioning the incredible long-term damage to our civil liberties that will probably result from this.

The facts are not clear. If you believe so, you seriously misunderstand what the facts are. You are ignoring plenty of evidence to casually dismiss it as "a cold," based on nothing more than intuition.

Quote:And most of all, never forget what happens when you panic and make decisions based on fear.

It is not panic. It's intelligent assessment of risk and uncertainty. When evidence suggests probability of extreme consequences, you need more than "maybe it won't be so bad" to justify inaction.

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Let's look at the big picture:

Background: Everyone who knows the first thing about infectious pandemics knows the next serious pandemic will be a respiratory illness from dog-eating, bat-eating China.

December - A Novel Coronavirus shows up in China.
It will be contained and be a nothingburger like SARS.
WRONG: SARS was left in the dust ages ago. Turns out SARS' more intense virulence made it easier to isolate and contain.

January - News of China building hospitals from scratch just to deal with coronavirus patients. Wuhan, a city of 11 million (bigger than NYC) is quarantined. Videos of trucks driving around disinfecting the entire city.
That's just the CCP trying to show off and overreacting no reason for concern.
WRONG: The threat was serious and out of control, the CCP was desperate to lock it down.

February - Wuhan under unprecedented lockdown conditions, with people building walls to prevent spread into their neighborhood, welding doors shut, abducting people to forced quarantine. Videos of people dropping dead in the street, trucks loading up dead bodies, some fake for sure but clearly matters were serious.
And now: cases are showing up in other countries.
Nothing to worry about. We'll isolate and contain the small number of cases in Western Countries like we did for Ebola. Trump's travel ban is still racist.
WRONG: Western arrogance. Not a single exposed country successfully contained the virus using standard epidemic countermeasures. South Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore managed best, using measures we would consider extreme, but even they have failed to eradicate it (to some degree due to western failures).

Early March - The situation in northern Italy and Iran is rapidly deteriorating. Horror stories of hospitals overwhelmed by patients with bilateral interstitial pneumonia start popping up. Hospitals doing triage. People dying in their homes.
It's OK we'll still contain it. Italy's population is old they are particularly at risk. Their healthcare system is bad. That could never happen here.
WRONG: It was already here, and had been spreading for weeks.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Western Countries spent three+ months failing to take it seriously and failing to take hard, decisive action that could have, at any point, stopped the epidemic in its tracks. But we didn't. Because that would be "panic." Every step of the way we did too little, too late because of people saying "don't panic, it won't come here" based on nothing but pure wishful thinking. (and maybe lies from Chinese-compromised WHO)

By the second week of March the US had over 1,000 reported cases and private organizations like the NBA were taking matters into their own hands, voluntarily suspending activities until further notice, clearly because the NBA hates making money and secretly wants to destroy the economy.

After months of everyone saying "it's no big deal" and being wrong, repeatedly, leaders like those in the NBA looked at what happened in Italy, saw one of their own players already infected, and said fuck no we don't want any of our players dying of weird Chinese bat disease and we don't want to face lawsuits or other political fallout when densely-packed arenas wind up massively spreading the virus.

Now that we have taken very costly measures, measures that only became necessary after we repeatedly followed bad advice from people who refused to face reality and make the hard, unpopular decisions that needed to be made, once again a flood of people are coming out preaching weakness and denial of reality.
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(Today 01:33 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
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(03-11-2020 01:22 PM)Latan Wrote:  I'll look into this tread, in a month.
I hope it'll age well.
I really do.

It aged well.


To everyone who was there from the beginning.
Clap

Virus is not gone.
Models that predict its continued decline also assume severe social distancing.
Specific areas (like PA) still appear to have cases growing at dangerously high rates.
No one is in the clear yet.

You would be wise to wait on celebration until everything is actually back to normal and the virus is actually gone.
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Blaster watch this video. Try to have the humility to be honest with yourself if you are just experiencing cognitive dissonance about your beliefs about coronavirus not aligning with reality.




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(Today 03:23 PM)Blaster Wrote:  Western Countries spent three+ months failing to take it seriously and failing to take hard, decisive action that could have, at any point, stopped the epidemic in its tracks. But we didn't. Because that would be "panic." Every step of the way we did too little, too late because of people saying "don't panic, it won't come here" based on nothing but pure wishful thinking. (and maybe lies from Chinese-compromised WHO)

Is it really possible to stop the epidemic?

It would spread no matter what, slowly, yes, but it would spread.

In fact it's advantageous to have a slow controlled spread instead of nothing at all.

Herd immunity.

Are we supposed to ban people from travelling for the rest of our lives?

Gradual herd immunity is the only option.

Too slow, we lose our economy.
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