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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
I hope to God you're right. I'm still not sure... there is evidence pointing in both directions for sure.
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
Good article with infos I did not know:

https://fassadenkratzer.wordpress.com/20...isolieren/

Quote:Solution to the corona problem: isolate panic makers


Quote:from Dr. med. Wolfgang Wodarg


The google translation is good, but here a few snippets:

Quote:Even in the case of a mild "flu" infection, there is a 7% - 15% risk that coronaviruses will be detected after several years of prospective studies in Scotland (from 2005 to 2013). A detection of corona viruses would currently have serious consequences for the everyday life of those examined and their surroundings, as can be seen from all media without a long search.

However, the finding itself is of no clinical significance. It is just one of several names for acute respiratory diseases (ARE) that temporarily 20% to 40% of all people temporarily out of action each winter. According to a good study from Scotland, the most common pathogens of acute respiratory diseases were: 1. Rhinoviruses, 2. Influenza A viruses, 3. Influenza B viruses, 4. RS viruses and 5. Coronaviruses. This order changed somewhat from year to year. Viruses in competition for our mucous membrane cells also appear to have a changing quorum, as we know it from our intestines with the microorganisms and from the Bundestag with the parties.

If there is now an increasing number of "proven" coronavirus infections in China or in Italy: Can anyone say how often such examinations were carried out in previous winters, for whom, for what reason and with what results? If you say that something is getting more, you have to refer to something that you have observed before.

It essentially means that the Coronavirus is one of a long known number of viruses and the tests get triggered in all patients at rates of 7-15%.

So yeah - the WHO and the virology-panic-makers should be isolated. And they should stop the bloody tests just like Japan does so.

I would add South Korea to the list who likely found out about this crap and tested the people with a changed test so barely anyone got diagnozed with it once they reached 7500 infected. Otherwise there would be millions of infected and they could say goodbye to their economy.

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
Exhibit B - streets of Bangalore and many other Indian cities:

[Image: crowded-market-street-bangalore-india-4k...?s=640x640]

Do you really think that you could contain anything there?

The only people who got tested were of course well-off Google employees or other such people. You really think that you could contain anything there even if they say that heat and UV rays "kill the virus". There is no way in hell that this could be killed fast enough with such a high population density and tactile nature of them eating, cooking and close proximity.

Yeah - I get it - the other side claims that hundreds of thousands are dead there already and they are just digging mass-graves in secret.

A real pandemic would have 10% of the population sick, everyone would have a family member at home dying. That is what would happen for real and not this crap.

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I'm reading what you have to say Simon and it's a good counterbalance. I wholeheartedly hope you're right. Keep posting.

Scorpion: "When the government and the media tell you that you should be very afraid, you should automatically be skeptical. When the government and media tell you that you should be very afraid and that you need to give up your rights and freedoms to stay safe, you should dig in your heels and resist. Because that's when they give the game away. That's when you can be sure that your fear is being weaponized against you."

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Quote:March 9, 2020
Numbers show coronavirus is not nearly as scary as media want you to think

Despite the hair-on-fire reporting of coronavirus news, let’s look at some actual numbers, rather than the codswallop from CNN or MSNBC.

At the time of this writing, there are 107,352 cases worldwide, 3,646 deaths, and 60,558 recoveries. Fifteen of those deaths occurred in the U.S. The odds of recovering are far higher than the odds of dying.

Influenza and pneumonia caused 55,672 deaths in the U.S. in 2017, or 153 persons per day. As a reminder, only 15 have died from the coronavirus to date, the number dying in any four-hour period from the flu.

Over the past decade, influenza has affected between 9.3 and 45 million persons each year, depending on the flu severity. Hospitalizations for the flu have ranged from 140,000 to 800,000 persons per year, and deaths varied between 12,000 and 61,000 each year.

These numbers, in America only, far eclipse the number of coronavirus fatalities worldwide, about 3,600 thus far.

"The best estimates now of the overall mortality rate for COVID-19 is somewhere between 0.1% and 1%."

For comparison, the fatality rate for the seasonal flu is 0.1%. The coronavirus fatality rate is likely similar to the 0.1–1% figure based on confirmed cases. How many individuals have a normal cold, when in reality they have the coronavirus, and recover after a week? That would mean that far more are infected but are unreported, as their infection is a nonevent, making the fatality rate lower than reported.

Look also at past viral illnesses, far more lethal than the coronavirus. The fatality rate for MERS and SARS was 34.4 and 9.5% respectively. Neither illness generated as much media hysteria as coronavirus.
full story: https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/num...u-to-think

There is too much panic around, it's annoying.
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
But what do guys think is the grand plan? If this is all a hoax, what is it meant to achieve?
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(03-14-2020 07:55 AM)droughtmeat Wrote:  But what do guys think is the grand plan? If this is all a hoax, what is it meant to achieve?

Like 9/11, multiple things and it's been posted on this forum already: to weaken china, get rid of Iran without the disaster that was Iraq, tank the bloated to extremes economy without anyone to blame (Italy has one of the biggest debts in Europe), kill off old people who in general vote conservative and don't buy the globohomo, kill off small businesses as they don't have enough inertia to cope for long, etc. etc.

One good thing that can come out of this is reminding people that borders exist for a reason and are not just a line on the map. This crisis will unify some nations again. WW2 was long ago, people turned detached and spoiled, maybe this crisis will show them the folly of their behaviour, harden their skin a bit.

Scorpion: "When the government and the media tell you that you should be very afraid, you should automatically be skeptical. When the government and media tell you that you should be very afraid and that you need to give up your rights and freedoms to stay safe, you should dig in your heels and resist. Because that's when they give the game away. That's when you can be sure that your fear is being weaponized against you."

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The problem is that March looks to remain pretty cold in the Northern Hemisphere with sometimes temps going down to zero at night.

They already fully expect a corona-recession. I know that pilots told me that they are firing the older more expensive ones like crazy now. Guy said that he does not dare getting sick (would even have to fake being healthy) or they would sack his ass. Those consequences are real. Airlines will require state aid - let the fuckers at the CDC pay for this shit. They own vaccine patents which is obviously no conflict of interest at all.

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Just logging onto RVF real quick so someone can tell me how the Jews are behind the coronavirus.

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(03-14-2020 08:19 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  The problem is that March looks to remain pretty cold in the Northern Hemisphere with sometimes temps going down to zero at night.

Yeah, for the homeless people it's getting cold at night.
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(03-14-2020 08:36 AM)Checkmat Wrote:  Just logging onto RVF real quick so someone can tell me how the Jews are behind the coronavirus.

Come on now. The Jews would never cook up a bioweapon that kills off boomers who are a giant social security expense and vote Trump. They also wouldn't spread it to the ZioCon empire's enemies (China, Iran, North Korea, Bolsonaro, Trump, right-wing Spanish politicians and Salvini's region of Italy).

They would also never use the ensuing chaos to increase draconian police state measures, to force vaccinations, to increase surveillance, to further push the war on cash, to censor information about alternative medicine. Not to mention, to crash the stock market so they can buy everything up cheap at the bottom.

I think you read too many anti-semitic conspiracy websites if you think any of the above could be true. The Jews don't make viruses... it's the opposite, they save the day with a vaccine. Tikkun Olam.

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Quote:. it's the opposite, they save the day with a vaccine.


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I would bet good money that the South Koreans have stopped using the same tests after they reached 7500. Only the Italians and few other countries are stupid enough to continue like that.

The same goes for Japan which has been barely moving beyond 700 and they simply never used the same tests.

If you test it, then you have the results.

I think that they are the same tests used on coronavirus identification in Scotlland in the 2000s. 7-15% of the general population react to that.

So it means that ultimately 4-10 mio. Italians and 25 to 55 mio. Americans should test positive. Sounds about right.

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Supermarkets overcrowded to the point of collapse. SOLE REASON: Fear.
Hospitals overcrowded to the point of collapse. SOLE REASON: Fear?

I don't know. I think it's possible. The UK decided to do absolutely nothing apparently and just let it burn through the population. So maybe they'll be our litmus test. If that turns out okay, Simeon is right.
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Korea's CFR is now 0.89%

Under the age of 50, it's 0.04%

I see three possible explanations:

1. There are far, far more mild cases out there than we thought
2. The Koreans have a much, much milder strand
3. Simeon is right

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
I have a big one here - complete with data and an interview with a John-Hopkins educated pulmologist:





First the data - he mentioned that the EU has statistical data about mortality rates that they publish on a site:

https://www.euromomo.eu

It's combined from entry points from MDs and hospitals all across Europe by country and age group.

Excess deaths is usually what they ascribe to influenza and respitory tract infections at any given time.

As you can see we have all the data present until mid of march 2020 (it's accounted by weeks):

[Image: Pooled-number.png]

Even if you look at the excess mortality of Italy in the age group of 65+ - it was much much higher during the winter 2016-2017, it's much lower in this winter regardless of the accounted deaths.

[Image: Multicountry-zscore-65P.png]

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I went to Kroger today - no toilet paper or milk as expected - but there had been a run on dog treats. Dog treats! Not food, just treats. Women who've killed their real babies want to make sure their fur babies are kept happy.

I also took my dad to the hospital last night for an unrelated condition - he is at risk for CV but I had no choice. The nurse and doctors were all convinced that CV is just a bad cold. The viral pneumonia can be bad for older people or those with lung conditions (lifetime smokers with COPD, etc) but that's it. All of them were hoping to get it just to get it over with.

All of the panic-inducing decisions were being made by bureaucrats in Washington.
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What do you make of the tweet just posted in the main thread?

10 pages of obituaries in an Italian newspaper instead of the usual 1 1/2

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status...3208634371
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(03-14-2020 02:59 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  I have a big one here - complete with data and an interview with a John-Hopkins educated pulmologist:




This doc is an expert in that field and recently was even allowed to talk in public on a talkshow with 3 other heretics.

The most important points:

+ he mentions that after the last bird flu scare the WHO changed the definition of a pandemic. Previously a pandemic had to have much higher mortality regardless of the supposed causes in order to be recognized as a threat to the population. They changed the definition into simply saying that IF YOU FOUND THE SPREAD OF A VIRUS WHICH MAY NOT EVEN CAUSE ANY INCREASE OF MORTALITY THEN YOU CALL IT A PANDEMIC

+ he said that the test used was not validated, not peer-reviewed. It's very much possible that they simply use the same one they know which finds coronavirus presence in 5-15% of the population. It would have been the same 5 or 35 years ago.

+ the test results and the very presence of a virus even if it does not cause any increase of respitory tract infections or mortality is then called a pandemic which is insane when you know that the mere presence of that coronavirus does not prove anything - plus it mutates constantly and it's impossible to have the same one show up in Korea or Italy. So a general coronavirus test must be used which as mentioned would show 5-15% of the population as infected.

+ Dr. Wodarg has looked into 105 death case as published in Italy. He said that all of those had 2-3 pre-existing potentially fatal conditions present even after they found the c-virus as well. There was even cancer-patients among some of the diseased, but they said that the virus killed them.

This year actually has record low excess mortality and respiratory tract infection mortality than the last 4 years. But yeah - let's tank the economy, get a spike in financially induced suicides going, spread fear and panic among the population, ushere in a worldwide depression, buy up company stock for cheap, pass more Orwellian laws, squash the pesky Hong Kong and Chinese rebellions, make maybe enforced lifelong vaccinations for everyone the rule. They already passed new laws in multiple countries for the cops to be able to contain you in any given area of their choosing at will. Hate speech containment is just an extension of supposed pandemic containment.

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(03-14-2020 03:09 PM)Enhanced Eddie Wrote:  What do you make of the tweet just posted in the main thread?

10 pages of obituaries in an Italian newspaper instead of the usual 1 1/2

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status...3208634371

Has he the paper from last year and 2017 where the mortality in Italy was the highest in recent years?

Also that is not a statistical comparison - it's one week vs another one - on top of it at a time when potentially more people would be willing to spend the money for an obituary because the grandmother supposedly did not die due to natural causes, but because she was taken tragically by the killer-virus. Obituaries are an extra for most people, but under certain conditions they will be more likely to spend.

I would like to see the total Italian mortality rate year on year.

Italy has a death rate of 10,5/1000 which comes down to 12250 deaths every week. So in in the duration of the supposed hot period there 50.000 people died. 1400 of them tested positive for this test for which very likely millions in Italy and across the world billions will test positive.

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I'll do some research into that question tomorrow.

To be honest, if the virus is a hoax it'd be almost more scary, not less. Cause it would mean that the whole thing is just an NWO maneuver to totally restrict all our freedoms... even the freedom to leave the house. And everyone is complying with it... across the whole planet.
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(03-14-2020 03:22 PM)Enhanced Eddie Wrote:  I'll do some research into that question tomorrow.

To be honest, if the virus is a hoax it'd be almost more scary, not less. Cause it would mean that the whole thing is just an NWO maneuver to totally restrict all our freedoms... even the freedom to leave the house. And everyone is complying with it... across the whole planet.

Yes - inter-European travel has been restricted. I have family who are now unable to leave the UK by plane. The other governments have to charter flights to get their citizens home. You can travel by car because it's deemed non-spreading. But you go by car for a few thousand miles.

They are already talking about herd immunity which essentially means that if enough people test positive, but mortality does not increase and falls as it does during summer, then they will declare sort of immunity but force the people to take vaccines.

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Does anyone on the forum personally know someone who's been infected, or even died, from the coronavirus? Not necessarily know super close, but a coworker or person in your neighborhood or whatever who is no longer there?
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(03-14-2020 03:46 PM)kel Wrote:  Does anyone on the forum personally know someone who's been infected, or even died, from the coronavirus? Not necessarily know super close, but a coworker or person in your neighborhood or whatever who is no longer there?

I have accounts from nurses and doctors I know that hospitals are less busy than before.

We had a guy commenting from Wuhan that people were just sitting in their appartments and no one knew anyone who died from this. That is why many folk there thought that the epicenter was in South Korea - for real.

Miami seems to be very busy with respitory tract infections while California and San Francisco are quiet. An acquaintance said that they have cases there, but hospitals are quiet.

Maybe you should ask in the pandemic thread.

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(03-14-2020 03:12 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(03-14-2020 02:59 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  I have a big one here - complete with data and an interview with a John-Hopkins educated pulmologist:




+ Dr. Wodarg has looked into 105 death case as published in Italy. He said that all of those had 2-3 pre-existing potentially fatal conditions present even after they found the c-virus as well. There was even cancer-patients among some of the diseased, but they said that the virus killed them.
This would support what Germany is doing - they have 4500+ infections but only 2 deaths and 9 infected in serious/critical condition. Why is that? Because its rumoured that they list the pre-existing condition as the cause of death even if a person had a positive result for CoVid in recent days.

But all this sounds a little bit like 14-days and a lighter version of HIV/AIDS - which doesn't kill you directly but finds a weakness in your immune system and in two weeks forces some pre-existing condition into deadly action. But doesn't a non-homo version of HIV/AIDS like this sounds very serious?

Maybe the lines will be just very blurry and we will have discussions about what was caused by CoVid and what was not, for many more weeks/months/years. In situations like this, I prefer to be on a safer side and take as many precautions as possible.

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