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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
(03-12-2020 04:27 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(03-12-2020 02:11 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(03-11-2020 06:00 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Intersting:

Quote:A note on observations and news I've heard.

A friend of mine works at a hospital in Los Angeles. They are not currently overloaded- in fact quite the opposite. They have fewer patients than normal and they believe this is because most people are in fact staying home and only coming in true emergencies.


Also interesting when Atlanta Man mentions that most of his patients now in Miami are FOB South American immigrants/refugees. Miami is certainly diverse, but the diversity consists of locals of all ethnicities who should be able to speak English.

Possibly that they got a batch of new refugees and did not even inform the mayor of that.

Have you ever been to Miami? If you can only speak one language there you're better off only speaking Spanish than English. Im not joking. You dont really need English in Miami (I was born there and went to uni there and Ive been saying that all my life)

I have been in the 1990s - did not seem that bad back then - stayed later mostly in West Palm Beach and there you definitely were fine with English.

You must of stayed east of the inter-coastal Wink

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
< Yes - I did. Guess the other side is different....

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03-12-2020 04:46 PM
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
I went to the local grocery store and noticed the bread was a little low and they didn’t have the bread I normally buy. So, for a reality check I decided to check out the toilet paper shelves. Sure enough, the toilet paper shelf and all of the other papers shelves were totally empty. I checked around and every other shelf looked almost fully stocked. What is it with toilet paper? I wonder how many houses now have a year’s supply? America is a country of fat slobs that need to cut down a forest to wipe their over used butt cheeks. Tomorrow I am going to put on my football helmet, go to Costco, and get me some toilet paper.

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03-12-2020 06:49 PM
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
(03-12-2020 11:40 AM)JiggyLordJr Wrote:  
(03-12-2020 08:49 AM)Mike_Key Wrote:  Not Worried

I won't worry until 49,000 people have died.

More than 200,000 people are hospitalized each year in the United States for the flu illness and its complications and between 3,000 and 49,000 people die each year from the flu. The number of flu deaths every year varies.

This is Globo Homo at its best, in my opinion.

Completely agree. Because the media rarely shines any light on the normal flu, there's little awareness that tens of thousands of people quietly die from it yearly. I don't fully trust the CDC, but it's one of the only sources avialable on this issue. Here's the data from last year's flu season:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html

Quote:CDC estimates that the burden of illness during the 2018–2019 season included an estimated 35.5 million people getting sick with influenza, 16.5 million people going to a health care provider for their illness, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths from influenza

I wanted to say something about the CDC, yes, I too don't fully trust them based on the statistics that they don't collect on abortion. Apparently, if you investigate as a reliable friend of mine has; CDC may not have stats on "abortion procedure recipients" deaths (The Women) and/or accurate counts on aborted fetuses. I can't fully recall how it's told but it's obvious, so obvious.

Why?

I was told, who cares about women? Someone should care. Sometimes it seems that even women don't care about women.

But at the State level, let a restaurant misstep on food handling and they are shut down. At the State and Fed level let there exist a Peanut Butter Corporation and "most responsible" plant managers are put in prison (Rightfully so, in the PB Corp Scandal, 2009).

"Former peanut company executive Stewart Parnell was hit with a virtual life prison term Monday for his 2014 conviction on crimes related to a salmonella outbreak blamed for killing nine and sickening hundreds."

Let's compare Women deaths during/after abortions vs Peanut Butter "indulgence"-ers deaths.

But I've said too much, already.

Back to CoronaVirus, I'm not a believer but my community is going insane shutting some things down. I begrudgingly bought some items, $300 worth of items.

I absolutely cannot see huge Food manufacturers and plants shutting down. Eighteen Wheeler trucks will keep moving unless Globo Homo dominates.
03-12-2020 11:43 PM
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
I know that this thread is namely around the possibility of the virus itself, but one angle I have not really seen discussed was that this was deliberate on the part of China.

Real Machiavellian to think about, but China playing the long con sacrificing a statistic (# of people in Wuhan) for them for the wider goal.

SHTF worldwide except for a select few Asian countries and China. China will also still have a large amount of $$$, society largely in tact and industry and infrastructure in place.

We are already seeing China help out Italy and Spain by sending aid in the form of personnel and masks, this while the EU turns it's back to it's own members and neighbours.

The virus also stands to kill off a large chunk of the older population. Leaving western democracies susceptible to worsening demographic trends (a younger more diverse population of non-westerners).

Studies show that an older populace = more stability, whereas a younger one is more prone to violence and war.

We could very well see China offering their own "marshall plan" to countries devastated, which saw the US rebuild the world with $$$ following WWII.

China doesn't care about claims of racism, nor do they have "white guilt". We see their work in Africa, huge inroads in West Asia/SE Europe and South America, they've also pushed back resistance in SE Asia and via Pakistan against India. They've already established that they can insert and subvert their way into Australia, Canada and Europe with money.

The only one pushing back is the US, Xi is just wanting this to play out sooner during his lifetime and this accomplishes to speed things up.

(((The usual suspects))) don't care, as they will continue to feast on the rot of clown world, their group wealth shielding them as it always has. Then they will try to subvert their way into Asia/China, take a look at Zuckerberg and others who are now making hapa babies.

Israel's existence will always be guaranteed. As The Samson Option will ensure that any dominant world power will step in to ensure they don't take the world out with them should they threatened.

Real schizo-posting hours

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03-13-2020 06:36 AM
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
If you let the coronavirus kill you, you win.
03-13-2020 08:13 AM
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
I went to Tijuana to buy supplies and everything was normal. Plenty of toilet paper. It was nice to be back in a country where men are in charge.

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03-13-2020 08:15 AM
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
I was wondering why the Japanese numbers were so low and found out quickly.

The Japanese authorities don't trust the WHO used PCR tests. Because those follow a simple rule = TEST ANY POPULATION AND YOU HAVE HIGH RESULTS.

They came up with their own protocol to test people and have thus found far far fewer numbers.

My guess is that the Japanese are the sane people like the original inventor of the PCR test who said that this is not suitable to prove a definitive viral cause of a disease. If the test is giving you so many positives, then you find fully healthy people getting triggered. If you test enough sick people with it, then you will find some sick and dying people who got positive results.

My guess is that if Japan had used Italian methods, then they would be having 100.000 cases by now - almost none of them real. Even the Germans and Austrians are not blindly using the tests like the Italians.

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
(03-13-2020 09:01 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  My guess is that if Japan had used Italian methods, then they would be having 100.000 cases by now - almost none of them real. Even the Germans and Austrians are not blindly using the tests like the Italians.

And we're destroying the economy based on projections from these tests. How many people will die when the economy tanks, jobs are gone, food runs out and medicine isn't available?

The genie is out of the bottle and destroying the economy won't put it back in.
03-13-2020 09:32 AM
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
Based on accounts of some the measures should be:

+ everyone in Hazmat suit
+ everything closed for a year
+ wait for the vaccine and vaccinate everyone on Earth at gunpoint
+ only after the vaccine comes out, breathe a sigh of relief
+ Ignore the 100 mio. dead after the vaccine complications - that's a risk the elite is willing to take.

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03-13-2020 09:49 AM
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
^ Yup... and this situation is strangely reminding me of this

   

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
I was wondering about the future logic of this thing. Since the virus supposedly is never gone, then all throught the future it would have to look like this:

+ you have to get tested weekly, because every encounter you had with a person can infect you again
+ it will tank the econmy worldwide into a deep depression with suicides from the fallout killing more people than the virus
+ the globalists will enforce mass vaccinations and claim that this protects you from it - anyone not vaccinated every year with a refresher gets his personal chip ID shut off
+ the individual GPS chipping is a plus - if enough people are fearful then they will give you that baby and have the cattle finally tagged and fully supervised

The Chinese have opted to just let it go. They squashed the protests forever and the leading activists are likely ashes. They are likely not even testing and calling it a day - exactly what the rest of the world should do. Since the sheisters claim that the majority of the population is going to "get it", then what's the logic of trying to stem it, when it cannot be stemmed?

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
Here is a video testimony from a woman who had coronavirus and tells how to get through it. This is what people are panicking over.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/0...of-vpx.cnn

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(03-13-2020 11:33 AM)Sherman Wrote:  Here is a video testimony from a woman who had coronavirus and tells how to get through it. This is what people are panicking over.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/0...of-vpx.cnn

From a very reliable source.
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
It’s interesting that the lady in the video had to send a sample away and arrange for her own test. She couldn’t get the doctors to test her. People still can't even get tests. Hopefully in a few weeks there will be 10,000 youtube videos from people who had the coronavirus and survived. Once the information gets out, people will calm down.

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Trump is one of the casualties of the coronavirus. He is finished. He initially did the right thing by downplaying it, but his advisors told him to cave in. He has said too many crazy things to have had the credibility he needed. His speech was his last hope. FDR could have pulled it off. A truly great man who, ironically, had polio – a real virus to be feared. He shook it off and became great anyway.

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(03-13-2020 10:03 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Since the sheisters claim that the majority of the population is going to "get it", then what's the logic of trying to stem it, when it cannot be stemmed?

Because compassion or something. Forum members are acting like it's compassionate to let the economy die (because it's evil) rather than let the virus run it's course.

This isn't going away. The protective measures are almost certainly going to cause many more deaths down the road. Not just older people with existing problems but younger or people in their prime.
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(03-13-2020 01:54 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
(03-13-2020 10:03 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Since the sheisters claim that the majority of the population is going to "get it", then what's the logic of trying to stem it, when it cannot be stemmed?

Because compassion or something. Forum members are acting like it's compassionate to let the economy die (because it's evil) rather than let the virus run it's course.

This isn't going away. The protective measures are almost certainly going to cause many more deaths down the road. Not just older people with existing problems but younger or people in their prime.

The economy is people having food to eat. Yes, an economic crash will kill people.

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
Rush Limbaugh said something interesting ...

Paraphrased:

"You don't shut everything down for a situation like this ... because it sets a precedent. What do you do the next time that it happens? But wait, it won't happen again because next time we'll have a Democrat President and the News outlets and News Media won't let it happen again."

That is so true, the News media (& DNC) hates, despises, half of USA citizens.

Peter Struck Stroke Smirk (Peter Strzok) hates Trump voters. Coup attempt anyone?

Sick how if a coup attempt happens in Turkey everyone is excited about the news of it. A coup attempt In the USA, any concern? No, because the News Media tells you what they want you to worry about. Omission

The News Media tells you what they want you to worry about.

Everyone repeat after me:

Omission

They omit news and that is their propaganda.

"Yes, There WAS An Attempted Coup Against Trump"

https://humanevents.com/2019/05/01/yes-t...nst-trump/
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
I brushed up on the H5N1 crap and the parallels are amazing:

+ they claimed that the virus mutated into humans from birds - now it's bats
+ they claimed that 22 mio. were infected in the US and Bush mentioned that 200.000 to 2 mio. would die from this
+ Tamiflu is a useless anti-viral drug that was once called by a scientist who participated in a study a drug that is a placebo with heavy side effects

They were at this since the 1970s and the swine flu crap whose vaccine injured hundreds of thousands of Americans.

My guess is that they are after more Orwellian control since the people for the first time react well likely due to the expansion of social media and internet. They are likely after forced vaccinations, constant testing for life.

The virus similar to H5N1 existed among birds anyway and the PCR test which are idiotic for viral proof will trigger positives. To put it bluntly - if you test the people, then there will be a lot of positive results. If more MDs and nations had tested for H5N1, then hundreds of millions back then would have been "sick".

They really managed to start it this time. I wonder what they will manage the next time around - mass extermination of hundreds of millions under the guise of a virus?

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(03-13-2020 08:03 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  I brushed up on the H5N1 crap and the parallels are amazing:

+ they claimed that the virus mutated into humans from birds - now it's bats
+ they claimed that 22 mio. were infected in the US and Bush mentioned that 200.000 to 2 mio. would die from this
+ Tamiflu is a useless anti-viral drug that was once called by a scientist who participated in a study a drug that is a placebo with heavy side effects

They were at this since the 1970s and the swine flu crap whose vaccine injured hundreds of thousands of Americans.

My guess is that they are after more Orwellian control since the people for the first time react well likely due to the expansion of social media and internet. They are likely after forced vaccinations, constant testing for life.

The virus similar to H5N1 existed among birds anyway and the PCR test which are idiotic for viral proof will trigger positives. To put it bluntly - if you test the people, then there will be a lot of positive results. If more MDs and nations had tested for H5N1, then hundreds of millions back then would have been "sick".

They really managed to start it this time. I wonder what they will manage the next time around - mass extermination of hundreds of millions under the guise of a virus?

Man I'm sure your Blood must be boiling @ what's going on right now! Thanks to my decade long obsession with Bodybuilding & Supplements, I know a lot about the Natural Cures they suppress... what happened to natural Docs who got a bit too excited about Cancers & all!

Even though I know a lot... I'm always learning up new things from you... and I'm going crazy about this... so I can only imagine what you must be feeling like geez! From people going crazy about Toilet Papers... to having respected Forum Members calling any Chinese people liars for not the Mayhem we think is going on over there... to having members speculate that crematoriums are running 24/7 due to Heat Maps showing Red in Wuhan!

I'll be coming back to this thread... but I'll skip the Main One for a bit... unless I get local news about the Virus impacting me directly! Too much doomsday going on!

And P.S... Let's do the Same Heat test once 5G is completely present in the US! I mean Birds & Palm Trees are dying with these devices around them... but it's completely safe for us! Ok yeah got it!
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Potential false-positive rate among the 'asymptomatic infected individuals' in close contacts of COVID-19 patients

Quote:Objective: As the prevention and control of COVID-19continues to advance, the active nucleic acid test screening in the close contacts of the patients has been carrying out in many parts of China. However, the false-positive rate of positive results in the screening has not been reported up to now. But to clearify the false-positive rate during screening is important in COVID-19 control and prevention. Methods: Point values and reasonable ranges of the indicators which impact the false-positive rate of positive results were estimated based on the information available to us at present. The false-positive rate of positive results in the active screening was deduced, and univariate and multivariate-probabilistic sensitivity analyses were performed to understand the robustness of the findings. Results: When the infection rate of the close contacts and the sensitivity and specificity of reported results were taken as the point estimates, the positive predictive value of the active screening was only 19.67%, in contrast, the false-positive rate of positive results was 80.33%. The multivariate-probabilistic sensitivity analysis results supported the base-case findings, with a 75% probability for the false-positive rate of positive results over 47%. Conclusions: In the close contacts of COVID-19 patients, nearly half or even more of the 'asymptomatic infected individuals' reported in the active nucleic acid test screening might be false positives.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?ter...9+patients

There are slight inaccuracies with this test method, very slight inaccuracies, hardly worth mentioning.
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
Slight number of false positives - 80% of false positives - the reason they even have to publish it is because of so many people being healthy and getting the result.

It was the same with the first German case - guy was sitting in quarantine for weeks while being healthy as a clam. He was on a Whatsapp group with others and they were the same - no one was sick aside from some having a cold which at any given time is every 10th member of a society.

As I was watching accounts of MDs who were skeptical one GP said that he notices that whenever there is a popular TV program about some medical topic like the dangers of heart attacks, stomach ulcers etc. then instantly the next day he has a glut of patients coming with those symptoms. Then he knows that something scared the people again and he is going to have a busy day sifting through the fake panic patients in order to concentrate on the real ones.

As hospital go - you really think that you would not have a rise in cases when people go shopping like this:





You really think that people with a strong cold, fever who otherwise would be lying down at home with some tea, that they wouldn't run to the hospital like crazy as they fear the killer-virus? The fear is strong and many don't listen to recommendations of self-quarantine. They will be off and runninjg to the hospital while the previously benign symptoms will appear gargantuan.

I estimate that the number of hospital patients with killer-virus close symptoms may rise by couple of times due to that alone. Then it's obviously possible that real patients that really could have been saved - they get treated too late and die. What killed them? The c-virus fear killed them. But I guess that they do virus tests on deceased and get wonderful positives as well. So that grandfather who died of a heart-attack in front of the hospital has now died of the c-virus with the accuracy of 80% false positives.

The Chinese have stopped testing as it seems and they are just green-litting the previous cases as recovered.

Do it like Japan - stop the bloody testing, follow different parameters and you will have 700 cases in a country of 127 mio.

If you get the US started on millions on tests, then I can predict that the US will have soon hundreds of thousands of cases. If they test everyone, then my guess is that 150 mio. will have the c-virus - 145 mio. of them being healthy anyway.

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
So I have two questions:

1. If this theory is true, why do the numbers play out the same everywhere the virus spreads? 12% severe, 5% critical.

2. If not testing is the solution, why is Korea's situation improving drastically? They're testing more than anyone else.
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< Assume you have patients in hospitals tested. Those that come into the hospital - some will be sick for real. Number of avarages will still get you some patients testing positive. What came first - the chicken or the egg?

South Korea has had a stop - they might have changed the test which is supposedly easy to do. Japan never used those at all.

I am sure that the 126 mio. Japanese who travel around the world and have extensive business contacts with China - they have less cases than fucking Denmark. I can even imagine someone in South Korea knowing that it's a con and they just stopped using the same parameters after some time. Seems like they are doing the same in China now.

Stats can so easily be manipulated, fear and panic gives rise to mass behavior, it's especially tricky when under normal circumstances tens of thousands die daily, but now you should test whether that person has died of this one virus.

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