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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
Quote:Here another young couple - got nothing:

Yes - it seems they were not among the infected passengers though, only under quarantine.

Btw, great body language between these two... when the girl is speaking, she constantly looks at him for approval. When he is speaking... same, she constantly looks at him. His focus is on the camera.
03-10-2020 05:52 AM
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
Another point about the Diamond Princess - not only had 50% zero symptoms - virtually all of the 700 recovered except for the 6-8 deceased who were all people above 70 up to 88 - most actually above 80.

Will we panic also because sometimes 15 people per month die on those cruises - I can assure you - that is normal.

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
Do you have a source for virtually all 700 recovered? Official stats saying 40 recovered so far:

https://covid19info.live/
03-10-2020 07:44 AM
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
I'm going to harsh your buzz here guys by telling you we have a long time highly respected member of the forum working an ER in the US. Over on the other thread he confirms that this is the real deal.

It aint just the flu, bros.

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
I read that - Atlanta Man has record long and busy shifts at the hospital. Though it's not confirmed whether it has much to do with the virus. It's a localized statement so far.

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03-10-2020 08:04 AM
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
(03-10-2020 07:46 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I'm going to harsh your buzz here guys by telling you we have a long time highly respected member of the forum working an ER in the US. Over on the other thread he confirms that this is the real deal.

It aint just the flu, bros.

Well. If you check the first corona thread we had, I was among the first to say that this isn't just the flu. And among the first to predict exponential growth outside China. That seemed like common sense to me with a disease that's infectious before it's symptomatic. Just how that simple logic escaped people until it was too late (including ALL Western governments) is beyond me.

That said, figures in Korea indicate that it's 5x less bad than we initially thought. Other countries are only spotting the tip of the iceberg, the worst cases - whereas Korea is mass testing. So that's reason for optimism. So is the low case number in warm countries.

Honestly I'm not even sure what "skeptics of coronavirus" even means... I'm not saying the virus doesn't exist (although I entertained that theory for a day or two when I came across it, until Simeon had a better explanation).

But I do think 5g may have played a role in Wuhan and possibly Italy and Atlanta, I think it was probably released deliberately and I absolutely think this is an agenda for increased surveillance, war on cash and forced vaccinations.

Does that make me a "corona skeptic"? I have no idea. Skeptic of which aspect of the narrative? Yeah there's ERs getting overwhelmed with cases, no doubt. We've known that since January. But other than that, there are many inconsistencies that don't pass the smell test. I think most people on the main thread even agree with that view including yourself if I'm reading your posts right.
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
"Honestly I'm not even sure what "skeptics of coronavirus" even means".

Me neither. I would say, skeptical of the response is more accurate.
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
It's not that people doubt that such a virus does exist, it's just that people doubt that it does what the WHO says it does.

And other MDs like here one in Austria confirms what also my very top-range MD-pharma-exec-friend said.

https://noe.orf.at/stories/3038269/

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In Italy, only the coronavirus pathogen, the SARS coronavirus-2, is spoken, emphasized the medical director of the Neunkirchen State Hospital, Ojan Assadian: “The influenza virus, which is also present in the patients and probably the more serious illness, will then be the cause not mentioned at all. ”Assadian believes that the deaths are due to influenza,“ another viral disease, or other causes ”. Nevertheless: he does not want to completely rule out that the deaths are due to the cornavirus.

But it would be “extremely unusual” if there were mild courses with low death rates everywhere, “and then the virus suddenly behaved differently in Italy,” he said. Compared to influenza, the symptoms of coronavirus disease are different, according to Assadian: “Today, after analyzing over 90,000 patients, we know that we have a virus here that causes mild symptoms, if any, at all. Basically like a mild flu-like infection. "


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Some hospitals in Austria are already complaining about bottlenecks in protective masks. In Lower Austria there are currently no restrictions on hospital operations, the Landeskliniken Holding assures. The state clinic of Neunkirchen itself does not report any bottlenecks in protective masks, gloves or disinfectants.

No coronavirus-infected patients are currently stationed in the state hospital in Neunkirchen. If the worst comes to the worst, however, there is a separate hospital room in the ambulance, which is kept free for suspected cases, says Ojan Assadian. "So far we have had very few patients who really met the case definitions of a suspected case," he explains. This means the typical symptoms such as fever, cough and shortness of breath, as well as a recent stay in a risk area. These include Italy, China, South Korea, Iran, Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore and Germany.

My buddy MD also confirmed that NO WAY IN BLOODY HELL DID THE CHINESE TEST SO MANY PATIENTS. He knows it for a fact that they just counted patients who fit more or less the criteria. Italy is also a bit doubtful frankly that they are doing things as should be done. Not for lack of reason is the WHO criticizing Austria, because those guys tend to remain a cool head and not jump to faulty conclusions.

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
This Corona virus panic is going to destroy the economy. If it lasts much longer the banks could even start collapsing. Yesterday, the stock market opened 15 minutes late due to a halt. I have never seen anything like this. All the experts say that containment doesn’t work and it is going to spread. I think the quicker it spreads, the better, because the fear is worse than the reality, and people need to get use to it and stop panicking. Trump is doing the right thing by trying to downplay it, but this isn’t going to work because it’s an election year and the Democrats are going to use this against him anyway they can. What we need is a Franklin Roosevelt speech of “There is nothing to fear but fear itself”.

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You're out of your mind. Do you understand how hospital bed limitations work? Do you actually think that the health system can process 10 million critical care cases in a couple of months? Just sort of get it out of the way and then take the rest of the year off?

You guys will be still be in woke mode while mass graves are being dug outside your apartment complex with backhoes and bulldozers.

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(03-10-2020 09:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  You're out of your mind. Do you understand how hospital bed limitations work? Do you actually think that the health system can process 10 million critical care cases in a couple of months? Just sort of get it out of the way and then take the rest of the year off?

You guys will be still be in woke mode while mass graves are being dug outside your apartment complex with backhoes and bulldozers.

You are speaking from a place of fear.

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< Ha - joke's on you. I will be in a better place while my body is dumped into the mass grave.

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
Quote:You are speaking from a place of fear.
He's speaking from a place of math.

The average hospital has 10-20 ICU beds. 10-20% of corona patients require one.
That means the average hospital can handle 100 corona cases. After that it's game over.
People die who didn't need to die.
That's why the spread needs to be slowed down, so hospitals won't get overwhelmed and everyone can get adequate treatment.

This "skeptics" topic is too broad, everyone is skeptical about different things and I think almost all of us are skeptical of the official narrative (a virus naturally mutated and is now causing all these ripple effects that just so happen to be incredibly convenient for the plans of the Elite, and get your corona shot next year pleb).
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(03-10-2020 10:44 AM)Enhanced Eddie Wrote:  
Quote:You are speaking from a place of fear.
He's speaking from a place of math.

The average hospital has 10-20 ICU beds. 10-20% of corona patients require one.
That means the average hospital can handle 100 corona cases. After that it's game over.
People die who didn't need to die.
That's why the spread needs to be slowed down, so hospitals won't get overwhelmed and everyone can get adequate treatment.

This "skeptics" topic is too broad, everyone is skeptical about different things and I think almost all of us are skeptical of the official narrative (a virus naturally mutated and is now causing all these ripple effects that just so happen to be incredibly convenient for the plans of the Elite, and get your corona shot next year pleb).

When I lived in Mexico, if I had anything minor, I would go to the local pharmacy and pay 50 pesos (about 2.5 dollars) to see the pharmacy doctor and get a prescription. It rarely took less than 15 minutes. Thus people only need to go to a clinic for the big stuff. In America, you need to get an appointment with a doctor and it could take weeks to see him, and then you pay at least $100 to see him. The American medical system is incredibly inefficient and wasteful. This is an opportunity to change that. You could have roving vans or set up tents to see anyone with a complaint. The few who really need care could be filtered out and sent to a hospital. You could also use high school gyms, etc. America has enormous resources and could easily handle this and end up with a much more efficient and robust medical system.

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
As for bed-places that is correct if you give everyone a room.

In Germany they gave every single officially infected a single room:

https://www.br.de/radio/bayern1/coronavi...n-100.html

You can google-translate it, but it's interesting.

The guy got the virus in China at a meeting. All the people at that company got it too. His symptoms was a short fever and cold for a weekend. He thought that he was healthy by Monday while sick on Friday.

Then he was put on quarantine because the Chinese colleagues were diagnosed. What is interesting is that 100% of all the other patients that he met at the clinic in Bavaria were essentially healthy as can be. None had any severe symptoms. They shared their contact details via a Whatsapp group and remained in contact via the entire quarantine period.

The biggest factor here according to the guy is the fear and the quarantine - not the actual factually observable results of the virus.

Though yeah - if it comes to hospital beds - in Germany every confirmed patient is put into a quarantine and single room. 1400 patients means 1400 beds, though some are already released and the stats don't reflect that.

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The problem with putting people into mass quarantine or high school gyms and such is that 41% of corona cases in China got infected at the hospital. Patients really need to be kept separate from each other or these medical facilities will literally be incubators.
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I suppose it's wrong to expect average Joes to understand the requirements for advanced medical care.

Suffice to say if you think you can toss a few thousand ICU cases in a stadium then you have no clue about medicine whatsoever and should resign yourself to avoiding spreading this plague in the same way a child who doesn't understand the dangers of fire should resign himself not to play with matches in the hayloft.

This is the reason that people walled the infected into their own houses when the black plague was wiping out much of Europe. When it comes to viruses the fools thinking themselves wise doom the rest.

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
(03-10-2020 10:44 AM)Enhanced Eddie Wrote:  
Quote:You are speaking from a place of fear.
He's speaking from a place of math.

The average hospital has 10-20 ICU beds. 10-20% of corona patients require one.
That means the average hospital can handle 100 corona cases. After that it's game over.
People die who didn't need to die.
That's why the spread needs to be slowed down, so hospitals won't get overwhelmed and everyone can get adequate treatment.

This "skeptics" topic is too broad, everyone is skeptical about different things and I think almost all of us are skeptical of the official narrative (a virus naturally mutated and is now causing all these ripple effects that just so happen to be incredibly convenient for the plans of the Elite, and get your corona shot next year pleb).

Good point, however in your example it would be even less than 100 cases because the hospital still needs those ICU beds for things other than Corona
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"* Checkmate operation, *
In the past few days, China has broken many records, won absolutely everything, $ 20 billion in the first news and bought about 30% of the shares of companies belonging to the West in China.
Xi Jinping outperformed Europeans and intelligent American Democrats. He played a wonderful game before the eyes of the whole world.
Due to the situation in Wuhan, the Chinese currency started to decline, but the Chinese central bank took no action to prevent this collapse.
There were also many rumors that China did not even have enough masks to fight the coronavirus. These rumors and Xi Jinping's statement that she is ready to protect Wuhan residents by blocking borders have led to a sharp decline in share prices (44%) in Chinese technology and the chemical industry.
Financial sharks started selling all Chinese shares, but nobody wanted to buy them and they were completely devalued.
Xi Jinping made a big move at that point, waiting a whole week and smiling at the press conference as if nothing special had happened.
And when the price fell below the allowed limit, he ordered the purchase of ALL European and American shares at the same time! Then, the "financial sharks" realized that they had been deceived and bankrupt. But it was too late, because all the shares had passed to China, which at that time not only earned US $ 2000 billion, but, thanks to the simulation, again became the majority shareholder in companies built by Europeans and Americans.
The shares now belong to their companies and have become owners of the heavy industry on which the EU, America and the entire world depend. From now on, China will set the price and the revenue of its companies will not leave Chinese borders, but will remain at home and maintain all Chinese gold reserves.
Therefore, American and European "financial sharks" were stupid and in a few minutes the Chinese collected most of their shares, which now produce billions of dollars in profits!
You don't remember such a brilliant move in the history of the stock market!
CHECKMATE!"..

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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
(03-10-2020 09:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  You're out of your mind. Do you understand how hospital bed limitations work? Do you actually think that the health system can process 10 million critical care cases in a couple of months? Just sort of get it out of the way and then take the rest of the year off?

You guys will be still be in woke mode while mass graves are being dug outside your apartment complex with backhoes and bulldozers.

The CV believers have their own thread. Why not go post in there?

The skeptics are being civil by only participating in here.

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I just want to thank posters who have contributed to this thread. It's amazing how people I consider awake to many of the conspiracies and lies the government tells us, have completely bought into the official corona virus narrative. There is so much to this which I find very suspect. Jon Rappoport succinctly lays out the main reason I am skeptical:

Quote:How many cases are there? How many people are “infected?”

And the answer to that comes from what?

From tests. From diagnostic tests.


Of course, some people are ridiculously labeled “cases” without tests. I’ve explained that nonsense in other articles.

Outside of China, the most widely used test is called the PCR. It must be done with tremendous care, because contamination with irrelevant microbes and cellular material can yield a misleading and absurd result.

The PCR, it is claimed, can take a tiny, tiny bit of material from a patient and blow it up many times, so it can be identified. “This is the coronavirus. This patient is infected.”

Not only that, the test’s proponents assert that, quite easily, the PCR can also determine the AMOUNT of virus in the patient’s body. Why is that vitally important? Because, to even begin talking about the patient ever getting sick, he must have millions and millions of coronavirus actively replicating in his body.

There are people (and I’m one of them) who challenge the claim that the PCR can show how much virus is in the patient’s body. The experts try to brush us off—we don’t understand the intricacies of the test, it’s highly technical, we’re not qualified to make a judgment, etc.

I’ve been searching for a way around this futile argument. In the process, I’ve discovered something important about the PCR. I SEE NO EVIDENCE THAT THE ACCURACY OF THE TEST HAS EVER BEEN PROVEN.

Let me explain. You bring your car to a good repair shop. The mechanics hook it up to a device and run a test to diagnose what’s causing the car to stall. Who says their tests are accurate? At some point in the past, these diagnostic procedures have been vetted, to make sure they work properly.

And sure enough, when the mechanics say, “We’ve found the problem,” and when they correct that problem, you drive the car and it doesn’t stall anymore. This is called a real-life result.

This is not the situation re the PCR. Its proponents claim it can count how much virus is in a patient’s body—how much of a particular virus. But where is the proof, in real-life terms, that the PCR can do that? How was that proof ever established?

When I say proof, I don’t mean technical mumbo-jumbo. I’m not referring to the highly dense language these scientists use among themselves. I’m talking about real live human patients, and results.

After all, if the PCR is being used to diagnose people, and if the results are being used to count the number of coronavirus cases in various countries, and if the number of cases forms the basis for, say, locking down the whole of Italy in a mass quarantine…THE TEST IS IMPORTANT, WOULDN’T YOU SAY?

I have seen no wide-ranging proof that the PCR was ever checked properly, when it was first introduced, to show it could do what researchers say it can do.

WHO TESTED THE TEST?

I have come up with a process—a simple process—which will check the veracity of the PCR. It should have been carried out decades ago. The fact that it wasn’t is an enormous scandal.

Here it is.

From a hundred patients, very small tissue samples are taken. The PCR lab people don’t take the samples. They don’t ever see the patients or know who they are.

The lab professionals run these hundred samples through the PCR, obtain results, and then report: what virus did they find in each case, and how much of that virus did they find?

Let’s say, in six instances, the lab techs claim they found a great amount of virus in the patients.

Well, those patients should be sick.

Are they? ARE THEY?

“We’ve determined that patients 4, 9, 32, 54, 65, and 86 all have a huge amount of virus in their bodies.”

“Interesting. Thanks. Let’s see. Hmm. Turns out these people are fit as a fiddle. Not sick. I guess your test didn’t work. It’s a flop.”

Or maybe the test does work. The six patients are sick. LET’S FIND OUT. IN THE WORLD, NOT IN JOURNALS.

That’s what I mean by real-life results.
No jive, no tap dancing.

There is more. This experiment with the hundred patients? It should be done, not just once, but many times. A hundred patients here at this facility, a hundred patients there at that facility. Thirty or forty different facilities, and thirty or forty different sets of a hundred patients. It should be done by independent scientists without conflicts of interest.

It should have been done decades ago. I see no evidence that it was.

THE TEST WAS NEVER PROPERLY TESTED. A GIANT SCANDAL.

Think about what that means.

To me the PCR tests are the smoking gun. This would explain how people who test positive with PCR tests have no symptoms of an illness, since the PCR test can not be relied on as an accurate way to test cases.

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The disappointing part to me, is that even if this has a 'skeptic' outcome and really is nothing, we're all still going to see some kind of nationalized vaccine program for it. If not that, for sure mandatory flu vaccines under the guise of "remember corona? the flu is almost that!"

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(03-10-2020 05:41 PM)Troller Wrote:  "* Checkmate operation, *
In the past few days, China has broken many records, won absolutely everything, $ 20 billion in the first news and bought about 30% of the shares of companies belonging to the West in China.
Xi Jinping outperformed Europeans and intelligent American Democrats. He played a wonderful game before the eyes of the whole world.
Due to the situation in Wuhan, the Chinese currency started to decline, but the Chinese central bank took no action to prevent this collapse.
There were also many rumors that China did not even have enough masks to fight the coronavirus. These rumors and Xi Jinping's statement that she is ready to protect Wuhan residents by blocking borders have led to a sharp decline in share prices (44%) in Chinese technology and the chemical industry.
Financial sharks started selling all Chinese shares, but nobody wanted to buy them and they were completely devalued.
Xi Jinping made a big move at that point, waiting a whole week and smiling at the press conference as if nothing special had happened.
And when the price fell below the allowed limit, he ordered the purchase of ALL European and American shares at the same time! Then, the "financial sharks" realized that they had been deceived and bankrupt. But it was too late, because all the shares had passed to China, which at that time not only earned US $ 2000 billion, but, thanks to the simulation, again became the majority shareholder in companies built by Europeans and Americans.
The shares now belong to their companies and have become owners of the heavy industry on which the EU, America and the entire world depend. From now on, China will set the price and the revenue of its companies will not leave Chinese borders, but will remain at home and maintain all Chinese gold reserves.
Therefore, American and European "financial sharks" were stupid and in a few minutes the Chinese collected most of their shares, which now produce billions of dollars in profits!
You don't remember such a brilliant move in the history of the stock market!
CHECKMATE!"..

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03-10-2020 08:50 PM
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RE: Skeptics of Coronovirus thread
(03-10-2020 11:16 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  As for bed-places that is correct if you give everyone a room.

In Germany they gave every single officially infected a single room:

https://www.br.de/radio/bayern1/coronavi...n-100.html

You can google-translate it, but it's interesting.

The guy got the virus in China at a meeting. All the people at that company got it too. His symptoms was a short fever and cold for a weekend. He thought that he was healthy by Monday while sick on Friday.

Then he was put on quarantine because the Chinese colleagues were diagnosed. What is interesting is that 100% of all the other patients that he met at the clinic in Bavaria were essentially healthy as can be. None had any severe symptoms.

What is interesting is that the current Europe outbreak can mostly be traced genetically to this first cluster of cases in Germany.

(The British man from Singapore is another seed, from the French alps)

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