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This thread is for general coronavirus news. The forum has multiple coronavirus threads:
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Due to a software problem, original thread was bogged down with slow reply times, so I started a new one.

First U.S. death from coronavirus confirmed in Washington state

Quote:A man in King County has died from the coronavirus, the Washington state Department of Health said Saturday in a media advisory.

No other details were given about the death as of Saturday morning.

Officials plan to hold a press conference at 1 p.m. with more details. KOMO will livestream the press conference.

https://komonews.com/news/local/1-dead-f...ls-confirm

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We risk playing into the hands of the left on this one. They want to use this as leverage for various insidious expansions of state power angles. I can`t really see how this is worse than a seasonal flu at this point. Not if you look at the death tolls in Western nations. Focus on improving your immune function instead.

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Just to provide some perspective, roughly 3,200 people in the United States die every day in car crashes. See link.

Not to say that we should be blaise. Just some persepctive.

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(02-29-2020 02:14 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  We risk playing into the hands of the left on this one. They want to use this as leverage for various insidious expansions of state power angles. I can`t really see how this is worse than a seasonal flu at this point. Not if you look at the death tolls in Western nations. Focus on improving your immune function instead.

If you look at who actually dies of this and is hospitalized you see people being released, people having close to zero symptomps. The average death age is 70.

I could pick one of the 5000 flu strains, rename them the T-VIRUS, get the PCR test running that tests for this strain and voila - T-VIRUS SPREADING PANIC!

Either way - I don't mind preparing for disruptions.

My prepping is quite simple:

1) I ordered 6 pounds of vitamin C powder.

2) My freezer is even more full with meat - a couple months worth. I also have plenty of sauerkraut that lasts a lot and also rice.

I could survive for months easily that way.

Power outages here are very very unlikely - that would take zombie-Hollywood scenario, though the risk is higher in certain US regions or in some third world countries.

I might add a bit the stats of the flu alone.

This season alone the US had 14.000 deaths of the flu.

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavi...h-flu.html

Whooping cough kills 61.000 people worldwide, the flu itself kills 646000 people per year worldwide.

Now we have a different strain that killed a few thousand - Wuhan likely added by some poisoning which I suspect the CCP to have covered up that exacerbated the situation.
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(02-29-2020 02:14 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  We risk playing into the hands of the left on this one. They want to use this as leverage for various insidious expansions of state power angles. I can`t really see how this is worse than a seasonal flu at this point. Not if you look at the death tolls in Western nations. Focus on improving your immune function instead.

I hope you're right that this is "just the flu", but at this point it's irrelevant from the standpoint of maintaining expected supply of food, medicine, and Chinese-made products. There will be shortages, and that will cause you more pain than a potential "flu" infection. Also, the citizen response in China will be seen as downright orderly compared to how Americans will respond. China doesn't have vibrancy in the cities like we do along with the heavily medicated. What will people do when they can no longer get their Chinese-made anti-depressant and anxiety pills? Or even their CBD oil or whatever else they are using to dull their pain?

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(02-29-2020 02:30 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 02:14 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  We risk playing into the hands of the left on this one. They want to use this as leverage for various insidious expansions of state power angles. I can`t really see how this is worse than a seasonal flu at this point. Not if you look at the death tolls in Western nations. Focus on improving your immune function instead.

I hope you're right that this is "just the flu", but at this point it's irrelevant from the standpoint of maintaining expected supply of food, medicine, and Chinese-made products. There will be shortages, and that will cause you more pain than a potential "flu" infection. Also, the citizen response in China will seen as downright orderly compared to how Americans will respond. China doesn't have vibrancy in the cities like we do along with the heavily medicated. What will people do when they can no longer get their Chinese-made anti-depressant and anxiety pills? Or even their CBD oil or whatever else they are using to dull their pain?

I'm on this theory as well, even if Coronavirus is "just the flu" it seems like there is going to be some kind of economic shockwave coming via supply chain distruption, stock market fallout etc. At best it seems like there will be a period of shortages and temporary layoffs until supply chains are re connected.

Also, something is up in my state (WI). They are 2 days late with releasing their regular flu statistics. It could just be because they are busy with coronavirus hype and monitoring or they simply just forgot. The state health agency director is a mega diversity hire so I don't trust her competence.

2 years ago, when I lived in another state, they didn't publish their flu statistics for 2 weeks. I actually called them to see what was going on, and they simply forgot! I was the first person to call and ask about it...and I'm not even a medical professional.

That sort of stuff gives me zero confidence that we are in good hands.

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My thread went viral then got shut down... hopefully the same happens with the virus itself
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(02-29-2020 02:29 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 02:14 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  We risk playing into the hands of the left on this one. They want to use this as leverage for various insidious expansions of state power angles. I can`t really see how this is worse than a seasonal flu at this point. Not if you look at the death tolls in Western nations. Focus on improving your immune function instead.

If you look at who actually dies of this and is hospitalized you see people being released, people having close to zero symptomps. The average death age is 70.

I could pick one of the 5000 flu strains, rename them the T-VIRUS, get the PCR test running that tests for this strain and voila - T-VIRUS SPREADING PANIC!

Either way - I don't mind preparing for disruptions.

My prepping is quite simple:

1) I ordered 6 pounds of vitamin C powder.

2) My freezer is even more full with meat - a couple months worth. I also have plenty of sauerkraut that lasts a lot and also rice.

I could survive for months easily that way.

Power outages here are very very unlikely - that would take zombie-Hollywood scenario, though the risk is higher in certain US regions or in some third world countries.

I might add a bit the stats of the flu alone.

This season alone the US had 14.000 deaths of the flu.

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavi...h-flu.html

Whooping cough kills 61.000 people worldwide, the flu itself kills 646000 people per year worldwide.

Now we have a different strain that killed a few thousand - Wuhan likely added by some poisoning which I suspect the CCP to have covered up that exacerbated the situation.

Can you do a Vitamin C data sheet please?

Talking with my brother in law who runs a huge gas plant in Alberta. They produce enough energy there to run half the province and guess how many guys it takes to run it day to day? Three. Now, that does not include maintenance and such, and the majority of his job when hes there is just to take note of things, put in schedules and just go through checklists. But still, it does not take an army to keep the lights on and the water flowing.
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We now have a coronavirus skeptics thread for people who believe this is just the flu or not a virus at all:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74750.html

Let's keep this thread for people who do believe that coronovirus is more serious than a typical flu strain.

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Coronavirus is so infectious it's spawning multiple threads.

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(02-29-2020 02:40 PM)Laner Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 02:29 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 02:14 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  We risk playing into the hands of the left on this one. They want to use this as leverage for various insidious expansions of state power angles. I can`t really see how this is worse than a seasonal flu at this point. Not if you look at the death tolls in Western nations. Focus on improving your immune function instead.

If you look at who actually dies of this and is hospitalized you see people being released, people having close to zero symptomps. The average death age is 70.

I could pick one of the 5000 flu strains, rename them the T-VIRUS, get the PCR test running that tests for this strain and voila - T-VIRUS SPREADING PANIC!

Either way - I don't mind preparing for disruptions.

My prepping is quite simple:

1) I ordered 6 pounds of vitamin C powder.

2) My freezer is even more full with meat - a couple months worth. I also have plenty of sauerkraut that lasts a lot and also rice.

I could survive for months easily that way.

Power outages here are very very unlikely - that would take zombie-Hollywood scenario, though the risk is higher in certain US regions or in some third world countries.

I might add a bit the stats of the flu alone.

This season alone the US had 14.000 deaths of the flu.

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavi...h-flu.html

Whooping cough kills 61.000 people worldwide, the flu itself kills 646000 people per year worldwide.

Now we have a different strain that killed a few thousand - Wuhan likely added by some poisoning which I suspect the CCP to have covered up that exacerbated the situation.

Can you do a Vitamin C data sheet please?

Talking with my brother in law who runs a huge gas plant in Alberta. They produce enough energy there to run half the province and guess how many guys it takes to run it day to day? Three. Now, that does not include maintenance and such, and the majority of his job when hes there is just to take note of things, put in schedules and just go through checklists. But still, it does not take an army to keep the lights on and the water flowing.

Good point on the energy front. All critical functions will be prioritized.

On vitamin C: FYI megadosing has its downsides. A good friend of mine who did this a while back ended up developing a strong allergy to citrus, can't drink water from a jug with a lemon sliver in it.

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(02-29-2020 03:15 PM)911 Wrote:  Good point on the energy front. All critical functions will be prioritized.

On vitamin C: FYI megadosing has its downsides. A good friend of mine who did this a while back ended up developing a strong allergy to citrus, can't drink water from a jug with a lemon sliver in it.

You can't do it with fruit. I might get to it, because it's useful. All safe megadosing studies and real-life applications since the 1950s onwards have been made with pure vitamin c powder - now l-ascorbic acid. I don't even know of any means of doing it with fruit and I would not recommend some natural vitamin C that has plant residue in it. It's only for the pure chemical with nothing else on top of it.

Also - vitamin C allergy is impossible, seems like someone did some insane stuff trying to megadose with citrus-fruits which don't have much vitamin C anyway.
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(02-29-2020 03:13 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Coronavirus is so infectious it's spawning multiple threads.

The virus has now mutated into two distinct strains.

(1) The lethal "corona will cause the apocalypse ohnoez" strain, highly virulent but not very long-lived. This one will burn itself out in a few months.

(2) And the more harmless "corona is just a hoax bruh" strain... far less lethal, but it will probably be with us for many flu seasons to come.

Scientists at Harvard university are currently predicting the virus might mutate one more time into a "this was the last fucking time you hoaxed us you fucking k***s" strain, which will migrate from people's lungs to their brains and cause them to start a revolution against the "Elites".

Peacefully, of course. It's a peaceful and non-violent virus. DISCLAIMERS: No Elites were or ever will be harmed in the making of this post.
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(02-29-2020 03:03 PM)Roosh Wrote:  We now have a coronavirus skeptics thread for people who believe this is just the flu or not a virus at all:

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74750.html

Let's keep this thread for people who do believe that coronovirus is more serious than a typical flu strain.

I`m not saying it`s not a real virus just to make that clear. Just that it`s overblown. Let`s wait until we get a real infection to death rate estimate. I expect that it will be way less than 1 percent. Might be worse than an average flu, but not that much worse. The reaction as you said might cause collateral damage. Maybe something good will come of that in the end though?

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(02-29-2020 02:30 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 02:14 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  We risk playing into the hands of the left on this one. They want to use this as leverage for various insidious expansions of state power angles. I can`t really see how this is worse than a seasonal flu at this point. Not if you look at the death tolls in Western nations. Focus on improving your immune function instead.

I hope you're right that this is "just the flu", but at this point it's irrelevant from the standpoint of maintaining expected supply of food, medicine, and Chinese-made products. There will be shortages, and that will cause you more pain than a potential "flu" infection. Also, the citizen response in China will seen as downright orderly compared to how Americans will respond. China doesn't have vibrancy in the cities like we do along with the heavily medicated. What will people do when they can no longer get their Chinese-made anti-depressant and anxiety pills? Or even their CBD oil or whatever else they are using to dull their pain?

I agree with your points about hoping it is just the flu. But many indications are that while for a number of people that this will be only a little worse than the typical flu, there are large numbers of people that it will develop into a pneumonia like illness, plus, at best about 2% of the cases die after only a few weeks of getting sick.

As a comparison with the flu. The typical flu strain for the 2018 to 2019 was H1N1 early in the season and then H3N2 March 2019 and beyond.

The total US population is estimated at 329,970,000 for 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi...ted_States

The R0 (how many people an infected person can be expected to spread the illness to) for the typical flu season is around 1.2; meaning every five people will spread the flu to six new people, which is low when compared with other illnesses like SARS (4) or measles (14).
https://www.popsci.com/story/health/how-...es-spread/

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
"CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season."

Assuming this is all correct for the prior flu season, 34,000 deaths on 35.5 million cases would be about 0.10% (one in one thousand people that get the flu end in death). Hospitalizations were about 14% (490K/35.5 million). The total number of cases was 10.7% in the United States, a little over 10% or so (35.5 million cases / 329 million population).

From what some people are presenting for the numbers for the conronavirus (COVID-19) it looks like the R0 is over two and maybe as high as 6; so looks like more contagious than the typical flu and probably worse than SARS in this aspect. The death rate, as reported, out of China is around 2.1%, so while higher than the flu, it is not good but not a 'world ending' disaster. (Note: There is some evidence, ex China reporting, that the death rate is somewhere in the range of 8% to 10% but that number seems to be changing and has not leveled out into anything definite so far. It is also possible there are many more cases than though, making the death rate look higher than it really is since the number of reported cases are too low.)

Assuming these numbers for COVID-19 are correct, we can compare how the flu season for 2018-2019 would have been with the COVID-19 numbers.

1: COVID-19 death rate of 2.1% verses flu of only 0.10% would have meant a total of 745,000 deaths or 711,500 more than what happened 2018-2019 with the flu.

2: COVID-19 hospitalization rate of around 15% verse 1.38% for the flu, so a total of CONVID-19 expected hospitalizations of 5,325,000 against the flu hospitalizations of 490,000 so COVID-19 would have had an additional 4,835,000 hospitalizations in the United States. NOTE: There are only about 924,000 hospital beds in the US, so the entire health care system would have been overloaded with just the CONVID-19 patients. This could have caused a secondary problem where people with other kinds of health problems, who normally could easily gotten proper medical care, would now have to somehow compete with the flood of CONVID-19 cases to get treatment.

3: There is another problem when looking at CONVID-19 when compared to the flu. So far I have assumed the rate of infection between both to be the same at 10.77% of total US population. The problem is that there are some indications that CONVID-19 may have an infection rate as high as 60%, meaning instead of 35 million cases, there could be somewhere around 200 million cases of CONVID-19. This would mean 5.5 times more cases of CONVID-19 in the United States than the flu for 2018-2019 (and all of the other comparisons the same multiple).

The one thing that would help in making estimates is if there was some way to get any one of the numbers as somewhat assured or known, and then everything else could be a stat based off of that. So far the numbers seem to be 'sliding all over the place' so it is hard to tell anything definite at the moment.

One hope is that maybe the spread can be slowed down with some quarantines. Even if quarantines do not work, maybe the spread of CONVID-19 can be slowed enough that the medical system can keep up with the people infected or give more time for a treatment to become available.

There is also hope that maybe CONVID-19 will mutate after a few months and simply just disappear with little fallout on the public. So far there appears to be two strains of CONVID-19, so people can get one strain, recover, and then get the second strain. There are many reports in the press of people 'getting the virus again and it can't be immunized against' but this is not completely correct. While, yes, people are getting CONVID-19 again, they are getting the other strain, not the same strain they just had. If there was a vaccine against CONVID-19 and it included both strains in it, then people would be fine.

One thing that I wish governments would do, would be a worldwide lock down for a week or two. While at this stage it seems like that would be an over reaction, especially with the number of cases below 100 in the United States; it would give the supply systems a chance to catch up with demand for medical products, and also keep people apart so any current cases would be identified, tested and anyone who has contact isolated and not spread. The time to do a lock down is when there are few cases and to keep CONVID-19 from spreading, not wait until there are cases all over the place and a lock down is too late to do anything; but no one in a position to make that decision seems to want to take the risk, or understand the risk of waiting, to do such a thing.

I think a lock down, with advance warning so people could stock up on food and such, would be like a holiday week and not be that disruptive since there are piles of most items all over the place. Having people buy some extra things of items they are going to use anyways (food, some supplies) would really not cause any problems and might even help some companies clear out old stocks of items they don't want in stock anymore.

I think this is going to show the faults with the 'Just In Time' inventory system where companies never want to have a backup supply of anything in stock. With interest rates being so low it is not like not having raw materials or inventory on hand really saved them anything and they lose business if (when?) they run out of stuff.
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You can tell the economic and political ramifications of the virus are serious since everything else has stopped globally.

Did anyone even notice that the Afghan war ended today with the Taliban peace treaty?
The Russian-Syrian conflict is also being ignored.

All eyes are on coronavirus.

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Iran reporting 593 cases with 43 deaths so far. Thats over 4 times the fatality rate reported everywhere else.

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I didn't read the other thread. Any guesses on the percentage of Chinese coronavirus deaths really being an extermination of the protesters.
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(02-29-2020 04:03 PM)Blake2 Wrote:  You can tell the economic and political ramifications of the virus are serious since everything else has stopped globally.

Did anyone even notice that the Afghan war ended today with the Taliban peace treaty?
The Russian-Syrian conflict is also being ignored.

All eyes are on coronavirus.

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No they're ignored in tense preparation for the economic showdown with China which is probably going to happen this year. This coronavirus, if it is natural, may be equivalent to throwing a spanner in the works for both sides. If not, it might be the vanguard of the final attack in the trade war.
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One thing that would be helpful is if death reports would include the ethnicity of the deceased. I have still not gotten to the bottom of whether this more readily impacts East Asians than others.
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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread
(02-29-2020 04:51 PM)Athanasius Wrote:  One thing that would be helpful is if death reports would include the ethnicity of the deceased. I have still not gotten to the bottom of whether this more readily impacts East Asians than others.

Nobody knows at this point. But the likelihood is that it`s more contagious and or virulent amongst (some) Asian groups. It doesn`t seem to have very serious effects in Europeans at least.

There must be tons of cases at this point, but very few deaths in Western nations. And the people confirmed to have the virus of Euro origin have very mild to no symptoms. Let`s not forget the air pollution issue that I brought attention to at the start of this outbreak. It could also explain some of the mortality discrepancies.

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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread
I am following someone who seems to be extremely well informed and almost all his predictions/annoucements appear to be confirmed 24/48 hours later
I will try to update 2/3 times a day . Once again please forgive my bad english , I often write here after hours of work at the office and at home , when kids and wife are sleeping , and when I am tired it becomes difficult to use my best english.

In a nutshell for the last few hours

-Brazil had one first death. A second death will be announced too. Tests in Brazil take up to 5 days , which means Brazil is not ready at all to fight the pandemic.

-Washington State (USA) 50 people in a "healthcare" with a lot of old people infected by a "sudden pneumonia epidemics". No official communication about this. This implies that in 24-48 hours a lot of people will be infected in this state.
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A new case will be announced in the region of Richmond Hill (Ontario)
02-29-2020 05:16 PM
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