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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread
(03-01-2020 04:18 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  A few comments

-Trump is trying to minimize the pandemics and says that the CDC is instrumentalized by the democrats to affect his electoral campaign. That's why he has put Mike Pence at the head of the coronavirus fight - with a risk that censorship prevails.
Apparentely all CDC members and scientists need the approval of the vice-president to publish info they possess.

- South America has a lot of cases , notably in Venezuela , Brazil , Argentina and Chile.
Venezuela has cases , authorities know it but do everything to delay the annoucements.
Brazil has , and will announce a lot more in the close future
Argentina will soon declare his first case
Chile will soon declare his first case too. There are rumors of 260 people put in quarantine there

The fact that Ecuador has announced a case tends to prove that the pandemics has started there. Be also ready that Bolivia and Peru , Colombia and others will start to announce things. The main problem in South America is that no country wants to be the "source" ( example : China in Asia , Italy in Europe , Iran for Middle East etc ). This little silly game will cause a lot of damage.

There's one source that could be named without fear of repercussion: a dead bat in Paraguay.

In other news, those of you following ZeroEdge would probably have seen that article that suggests the WHO is holding off calling the KonaVirus a pandemic because the survival of a certain type of bond depends on it. Anyone in the finance game who can verify this hilarious-if-true piece of big money dickery?

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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet?

I understand the Pope is considered ill with the the flu. I woke up this morning with a thought that startled me, having remembered that scene where the Pope became visibly angry with an Asian looking woman who would not let go of him causing the Pope to appear to be a real jerk, a very bad optic but perhaps not as bad as one might think. He's probably one of a very few world leaders who is out among the "commoners" thus making him a ready target. Any other known cases of Asian looking people who might appear to be intentionally spreading the virus? The above pic of a woman looking for hugs? Asians aren't known for engaging in public displays of affection.

I absolutely do not think the US Govt would resort to bio warfare, we have other means of accomplishing our goals. But, if some entity wanted to implicate us, it would make sense to first kill off perceived enemies (Chinese and Iranians) so that we appeared to be the guilty party. I think this virus is a bio weapon but not in the traditional sense (high kill rate in the battle zone) but maybe one designed to create havoc among civilian populations which could lead to WWIII.
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(03-01-2020 05:19 AM)Koolking Wrote:  ...
I absolutely do not think the US Govt would resort to bio warfare, we have other means of accomplishing our goals.
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What goals are those, and what other means do you think are more suitable to achieve them?

On another note, this virus and the "it will just kill off old people" mentality it has revealed has been a depressing insight into how successful the atomization of Western society has become.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only one who even knows any senior citizens they don't want to see drown in lung fluid some time this year.

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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread
some news are already official of course, some not

First case in Illinois USA
1 new dead in Japan
First death in Australia (former passenger of Diamond Princess cruise ship)
More than 30 cases around Freiburg in Switzerland
2 new cases in Brittany region (France)
French government considers Oise (district) as the national source of the epidemics. More than 100 cases registered , only half of them will be announced later today by the government.
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(03-01-2020 05:19 AM)Koolking Wrote:  Any other known cases of Asian looking people who might appear to be intentionally spreading the virus?

I did come across a video from Wuhan, shared on Twitter, that was a closed circuit camera from a hospital lobby showing this. A man went up to the counter and deliberately took off his mask and coughed all over the two nurses there before running off.

I was kind of surprised to see this behavior and my take on it that he was angry with the forced lock down.
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-Belgium will soon announce another case. It s a woman coming back from a business trip in France.
- Things in Illinois will get worse apparently. Dr Matt McCarthy on twitter was talking about a "severe flu epidemics" with dozens of people tested 10 days ago.
-Doctor Jonathan Quick from WHO : "we have to get ready for the worse scenario , because it s the most likely" (not sure what this means)
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(03-01-2020 05:37 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 05:19 AM)Koolking Wrote:  ...
I absolutely do not think the US Govt would resort to bio warfare, we have other means of accomplishing our goals.
...

What goals are those, and what other means do you think are more suitable to achieve them?

On another note, this virus and the "it will just kill off old people" mentality it has revealed has been a depressing insight into how successful the atomization of Western society has become.

I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only one who even knows any senior citizens they don't want to see drown in lung fluid some time this year.

I was kind of surprised to hear this the first few times; about how the virus only effects the old and/or those with health conditions. Both of my parents are over 70 and are not in that great of health. I expect that any exposure to the virus would be fatal for them.

I think the reason this line of thinking is being put into articles is so that the larger part of the population, that is not elderly or have health conditions, will not panic about the virus.

The only problem is there are a number reports of younger people passing away from the virus. The age distribution of deaths does seem to be more towards people 50 and older. But there was the death of a nurse in South Korea who was age 25, and one of the first Whuan doctors that tried to warn people was age 39. There was no mention if they had other health problems or not.
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(02-29-2020 11:50 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  [Image: zjrry5q6yoj41.jpg]

WYH? (This was taken 15 days ago)

The sign looks like Italian.

Possible translation: "Hug Me I am not a virus."

I am not sure what the meaning of '10' is in this context. '10' may be 'io' and part of one of the other phrases, but I can't tell.
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3 new dead in South Korea, 586 new infected today
385 new cases in Iran and 11 new deaths. Apparently they are lowering the numbers , the reality would be close to several dozen of thousands infected and hundreds of death.
Croatia will announce a new case soon
Norway will announce several new cases soon.
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(03-01-2020 06:20 AM)EvanWilson Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 11:50 PM)Transsimian Wrote:  [Image: zjrry5q6yoj41.jpg]

WYH? (This was taken 15 days ago)

The sign looks like Italian.

Possible translation: "Hug Me 10 I am not a virus."

I am not sure what the meaning of '10' is in this context.

It is not 10- it s io (letter i + letter o) . It means "I " in italian.Io non sono un virus = I am not a virus.
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UK authorities are thinking about a maximum alert plan , in case things go wrong ,with entire big cities in quarantine.
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(03-01-2020 03:25 AM)Going strong Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 10:09 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  What if it’s a Bioweapon but Iran was the intended target?

In any case, as I predicted many days ago (just after the first reported case in Iran) on the original Coronavirus thread, Iran indeed is heavily hit by the virus. Being target or guilty - or just guilty of mishandling a virus box.

So, well, Iran might have been the target all along, or, some Iranian Sunni scholar might have unwillingly brought the virus to Qom, following a contact with infected Sunni Hui people (or even Uigurs) in China.

But, I still find it stunning that no journalist worldwide is putting 2 and 2 together, regarding Iran and the corona. I mean, as I wrote here weeks ago, look at the timeline:

On the 31st of December, China reveals that a virus is on the loose in the vicinity of their main biological-weapon research center of Wuhan. They offer a half-ass scenario involving Batman and Catwoman getting wet at some exotic food market.

3 days later, Suleimani, who was heavily suspected (though no proof exists either way) of trying to illegally acquire biological weapons on the international Black Market (or through property theft and hacking of labs and universities), is executed by the US, because of "an imminent threat" and a "smoking gun" that would remain undisclosed. Then a plane full of Iranians (how many of whom had coronavirus?) and heading for North America, is incinerated in the air by not one but 2 missiles, and the scattered plane bits and pieces are immediately buried. Then, tons of coronavirus cases pop up all over Suleimani's Qom city...

All of the above can be mere coincidences, but the fact that no media has written about this possibility of a scenario, is in itself, instructive. Just like no one seems to notice that the coronavirus probably entered Italia, Croatia, Austria, on the heels of the migrants, many of whom have passed through Iran, on their way to Italia and further Northwest.

That's the most impressive fact of all this coronavirus thing: proof, once again, that the Establishment controls all of the media, worldwide, and of course the WHO.

The leftist Establishment is also capable, in our Western "democracies" (see in Italia), to successfully order the police to cordon off entire cities, with little justification. No one among the security forces balked at such unusual orders. Interesting : the Globalists indeed are that close to full-control of our lives and earthly fates.

Interesting take. I do really think there is a connection here between Suleimani and the coronavirus. However, regarding the spread into Europe of the virus from migrants, I saw far more Chinese in Italy than any middle easterners, I think it is more plausible it came from Wenzhou or Wuhan than Iran.

The videos of Wuhan are apocalyptic. We can't confirm them of course but if true, many of the videos show odd behaviors in animals, in frogs, crows, and fish. I still think whatever happened in Wuhan was not a natural "virus." I have no idea what is going on in Iran, however.

What plane crash by the way are you referring to that was heading for N. America?
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(03-01-2020 05:01 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 04:18 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  A few comments

-Trump is trying to minimize the pandemics and says that the CDC is instrumentalized by the democrats to affect his electoral campaign. That's why he has put Mike Pence at the head of the coronavirus fight - with a risk that censorship prevails.
Apparentely all CDC members and scientists need the approval of the vice-president to publish info they possess.

- South America has a lot of cases , notably in Venezuela , Brazil , Argentina and Chile.
Venezuela has cases , authorities know it but do everything to delay the annoucements.
Brazil has , and will announce a lot more in the close future
Argentina will soon declare his first case
Chile will soon declare his first case too. There are rumors of 260 people put in quarantine there

The fact that Ecuador has announced a case tends to prove that the pandemics has started there. Be also ready that Bolivia and Peru , Colombia and others will start to announce things. The main problem in South America is that no country wants to be the "source" ( example : China in Asia , Italy in Europe , Iran for Middle East etc ). This little silly game will cause a lot of damage.

There's one source that could be named without fear of repercussion: a dead bat in Paraguay.

In other news, those of you following ZeroEdge would probably have seen that article that suggests the WHO is holding off calling the KonaVirus a pandemic because the survival of a certain type of bond depends on it. Anyone in the finance game who can verify this hilarious-if-true piece of big money dickery?

When I first heard of this, I thought that it could not be true; no one would be that stupid to buy a bond that would probably get wiped out if there was a pandemic. But in today's ultra low yield markets, apparently the bond issue was oversubscribed by two times; i.e. investors were clamoring to buy more bonds than were issued and the muppets lines up to take the risk for a little more in interest payments.

Total is $425 million in bonds and derivatives in the WHO pandemic facility:
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-...g-facility

Explains the whole insurance and bonds issues that cover pandemics:
https://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/pande...g-facility

For those that have nothing to do and want to read the entire prospectus of 386 pages on the bonds:
http://pubdocs.worldbank.org/en/88283150...us-PEF.pdf

Class A bonds are $225 million and pays LIBOR + 6.5%; Class B bonds are $95 million and pays LIBOR + 11.10%.

LIBOR is currently very low, like in the 1% to 2% range depending on the time period.

Both classes mature July 15, 2020; so if the WHO does not declare a pandemic then the bonds will be paid off at maturity on those dates. The problem is that if the WHO does declare a pandemic then the amounts drawn from the accounts will probably wipe out the bonds and leave investors with nothing on July 15, 2020. The thinking or fear is that the bond investors are pressuring the WHO to delay declaring COVID-19 until July 15, 2020 a pandemic so as to not wipe out the bonds.
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RE: The Coronavirus Pandemic thread
some official updates :
15 new cases in Spain
1 new case in Kuwait
1 first dead in Thailand
38 new cases in Germany
2 new cases in Finland
1 new case in Algeria
1 case in Armenia.

amazing that Turkey hasn't found one case yet.
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At this rate in a months time it will be complete madness in Europe.

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(03-01-2020 06:46 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  some official updates :
15 new cases in Spain
1 new case in Kuwait
1 first dead in Thailand
38 new cases in Germany
2 new cases in Finland
1 new case in Algeria
1 case in Armenia.

amazing that Turkey hasn't found one case yet.



What about filthy places like India & Bangladesh ?
How is it possible this virus doesn't go for dirty places ?
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It does but no-one is testing people there presumably.

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(03-01-2020 07:07 AM)Caduceus Wrote:  
(03-01-2020 06:46 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  some official updates :
15 new cases in Spain
1 new case in Kuwait
1 first dead in Thailand
38 new cases in Germany
2 new cases in Finland
1 new case in Algeria
1 case in Armenia.

amazing that Turkey hasn't found one case yet.



What about filthy places like India & Bangladesh ?
How is it possible this virus doesn't go for dirty places ?

I am not sure , but i dont think it has anything to do with filth.
Less international travelling , less competent and caring authorities , more hiding from the authorities , less coverage from our media.
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Hi Leonard, thanks for responding. Although I'm a first time poster I've been reading for a year or so and find your posts well thought out.

Goals, hmm: Military, Financial, and Cultural preeminence. All three have been declining under the prior three administrations and are now being reversed by President Trump, cultural - perhaps not so much.

How to achieve: if the goal was to disrupt commerce in China and kill a few thousands in Wuhan (I do not believe this is a particular goal of the USA), instead of releasing a bio weapon virus, one might decisively knock out the power grid (without being caught at it) and thereby cause substantial damage.
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(03-01-2020 07:26 AM)Koolking Wrote:  Hi Leonard, thanks for responding. Although I'm a first time poster I've been reading for a year or so and find your posts well thought out.

Goals, hmm: Military, Financial, and Cultural preeminence. All three have been declining under the prior three administrations and are now being reversed by President Trump, cultural - perhaps not so much.

How to achieve: if the goal was to disrupt commerce in China and kill a few thousands in Wuhan (I do not believe this is a particular goal of the USA), instead of releasing a bio weapon virus, one might decisively knock out the power grid (without being caught at it) and thereby cause substantial damage.

To me it is clear that this wasn't an act done by the Trump administration, at least with his knowledge or authority. I don't think this was a purely deep-state operation either. To my mind, this came from the other axis (Iran, Russia, or China), or, alternatively from a third party who is playing all sides against one another in a frame operation. This third party might have deep connections that spread into governments like United States intelligence or military, but it is not a U.S. governmental operation per se. There is no point in doing this, nothing to be gained, and is a totally anti-Trump move.
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The west needs to do a better job, should it come to mass quarantine, than China.

When it comes to vital industry, including manufacturing, transport, and distribution, a quarantine "on site" will be implemented. Foreman and highly skilled workers will be prioritized and immediately isolated. It is voluntary, but only those who cooperate will retain leadership positions.

We will also begin isolation of groups of 100-200 intelligent, able bodied men to be given general industrial training for various roles. Truck divers, forklift operators, manufacturing equipment operators, etc...(College courses can be continued on line and participants will receive college credit for additional training. Online tutoring, extra credit and lengthened due dates for assignments will be readily available for participants)

Military units will immediately be isolated by company/battalion, depending on risk of already being exposed. They will immediately begin specialized training for vital civilian roles, in addition to mandatory sniper school.

For certain high risk occupations, such as nurses and elderly care workers, EMTs and police/corrections etc... individual daily testing and isolation will begin immediately.

Paid intensive training for basic patient care and personal protection equipment use will begin immediately. Contact your county health admin for immediate consideration and to begin isolation and training in groups of 50 with your peers. ($10,000 Starting bonuses for those with janitorial experience)

UPDATE: All female military members will begin transition to nursing/ caregiving roles and/or begin mandatory home economics instruction and sent home to care for their closest relatives. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY
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(03-01-2020 06:03 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  -Belgium will soon announce another case. It s a woman coming back from a business trip in France.
- Things in Illinois will get worse apparently. Dr Matt McCarthy on twitter was talking about a "severe flu epidemics" with dozens of people tested 10 days ago.
-Doctor Jonathan Quick from WHO : "we have to get ready for the worse scenario , because it s the most likely" (not sure what this means)

That would help to explain my other post where I mentioned that on the other side of the state line, in WI, they have missed the deadline for reporting the last week of flu statistics.

However, in this case I think the problem may be H1N1. There has been an increasing number of cases each week in WI, which the health agencies don't seem to care to highlight. If a cluster lights up with it, I'm sure it will also cause panic. Luckily the methods to prevent spread would be the same as corona.

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Iran has had biological warfare capabilities for some time.

An Iranian scientist was arrested in 2019 attempting to smuggle recombinant proteins out of a University in the U.S., I believe in Atlanta. He claimed he was doing so for benign stem-cell research, but recombinant proteins can be used to increase the virulence of pathogens. Who knows.

We had numerous incidents with academics being charged in connection with crimes related to the lab in Wuhan. (and we know academic institutions many times serve as sleeper cells for Iran and China in the U.S.).

So an Iranian-China-Canada connection seems to exist here, because we have Iran and China hit extremely hard, and we have the Winnipeg firm's involvement with the Wuhan lab. I am also tying in the Iran-U.S. confrontation with Suleimani because I do believe these things are intertwined somehow. It is odd that the flight that was shot down by Iran contained many Canadians and was en route to Canada.

I can't make sense of it beyond this. I am just pointing out the connections so far.
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(03-01-2020 07:49 AM)Lace em up Wrote:  The west needs to do a better job, should it come to mass quarantine, than China.

When it comes to vital industry, including manufacturing, transport, and distribution, a quarantine "on site" will be implemented. Foreman and highly skilled workers will be prioritized and immediately isolated. It is voluntary, but only those who cooperate will retain leadership positions.

We will also begin isolation of groups of 100-200 intelligent, able bodied men to be given general industrial training for various roles. Truck divers, forklift operators, manufacturing equipment operators, etc...(College courses can be continued on line and participants will receive college credit for additional training. Online tutoring, extra credit and lengthened due dates for assignments will be readily available for participants)

Military units will immediately be isolated by company/battalion, depending on risk of already being exposed. They will immediately begin specialized training for vital civilian roles, in addition to mandatory sniper school.

For certain high risk occupations, such as nurses and elderly care workers, EMTs and police/corrections etc... individual daily testing and isolation will begin immediately.

Paid intensive training for basic patient care and personal protection equipment use will begin immediately. Contact your county health admin for immediate consideration and to begin isolation and training in groups of 50 with your peers. ($10,000 Starting bonuses for those with janitorial experience)

This would be a tall order in North Korea. Getting it done in the West would be impossible.

It also presumes the authorities don't want this to spread, and I think there's ample evidence that they do albeit in a somewhat orderly manner.

Our fate is in God's hands now. If this virus really is the engineered form of bio-hell the rumors claim then this is an extinction level event. A slow burn extinction but extinction all the same. Remote tribes could survive presuming they have no contact with animals that can transmit the virus. That's about it. No civilisation can survive a permanent ripple effect of recurring aids flu.

Even if the virus is tamer and "only" kills 1 to 2 percent of the world's population before becoming a persistent global annoyance, there is nothing that can be done to prevent eventual total global infection in a world with international planes, trains and automobiles zipping around 24/7. You couldn't do that with a regular flu much less something with an R-0 of 2+ and a 14+ day incubation phase.

Whatever this thing is, it will be everywhere sooner or later, and it will never be gone short of a worldwide vaccination effort similar to how smallpox was eradicated. If it lives on in bats or other animals then it's here forever.

Get right with God. Human panic is the first threat. Infection the second. If the virus is just a superflu then that's where it ends. If the virus is a recurring aids flu and no vaccine is rolled out in time then we move on to total collapse and North Korea inherits the world.

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In the Simpsons' episode Bart reveals the virus is a hoax and the family gets exiled to Antarctica.
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