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(02-29-2020 03:43 PM)EvanWilson Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 02:30 PM)Roosh Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 02:14 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  We risk playing into the hands of the left on this one. They want to use this as leverage for various insidious expansions of state power angles. I can`t really see how this is worse than a seasonal flu at this point. Not if you look at the death tolls in Western nations. Focus on improving your immune function instead.

I hope you're right that this is "just the flu", but at this point it's irrelevant from the standpoint of maintaining expected supply of food, medicine, and Chinese-made products. There will be shortages, and that will cause you more pain than a potential "flu" infection. Also, the citizen response in China will seen as downright orderly compared to how Americans will respond. China doesn't have vibrancy in the cities like we do along with the heavily medicated. What will people do when they can no longer get their Chinese-made anti-depressant and anxiety pills? Or even their CBD oil or whatever else they are using to dull their pain?

I agree with your points about hoping it is just the flu. But many indications are that while for a number of people that this will be only a little worse than the typical flu, there are large numbers of people that it will develop into a pneumonia like illness, plus, at best about 2% of the cases die after only a few weeks of getting sick.

As a comparison with the flu. The typical flu strain for the 2018 to 2019 was H1N1 early in the season and then H3N2 March 2019 and beyond.

The total US population is estimated at 329,970,000 for 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographi...ted_States

The R0 (how many people an infected person can be expected to spread the illness to) for the typical flu season is around 1.2; meaning every five people will spread the flu to six new people, which is low when compared with other illnesses like SARS (4) or measles (14).
https://www.popsci.com/story/health/how-...es-spread/

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
"CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season."

Assuming this is all correct for the prior flu season, 34,000 deaths on 35.5 million cases would be about 0.10% (one in one thousand people that get the flu end in death). Hospitalizations were about 14% (490K/35.5 million). The total number of cases was 10.7% in the United States, a little over 10% or so (35.5 million cases / 329 million population).

From what some people are presenting for the numbers for the conronavirus (COVID-19) it looks like the R0 is over two and maybe as high as 6; so looks like more contagious than the typical flu and probably worse than SARS in this aspect. The death rate, as reported, out of China is around 2.1%, so while higher than the flu, it is not good but not a 'world ending' disaster. (Note: There is some evidence, ex China reporting, that the death rate is somewhere in the range of 8% to 10% but that number seems to be changing and has not leveled out into anything definite so far. It is also possible there are many more cases than though, making the death rate look higher than it really is since the number of reported cases are too low.)

Assuming these numbers for COVID-19 are correct, we can compare how the flu season for 2018-2019 would have been with the COVID-19 numbers.

1: COVID-19 death rate of 2.1% verses flu of only 0.10% would have meant a total of 745,000 deaths or 711,500 more than what happened 2018-2019 with the flu.

2: COVID-19 hospitalization rate of around 15% verse 1.38% for the flu, so a total of CONVID-19 expected hospitalizations of 5,325,000 against the flu hospitalizations of 490,000 so COVID-19 would have had an additional 4,835,000 hospitalizations in the United States. NOTE: There are only about 924,000 hospital beds in the US, so the entire health care system would have been overloaded with just the CONVID-19 patients. This could have caused a secondary problem where people with other kinds of health problems, who normally could easily gotten proper medical care, would now have to somehow compete with the flood of CONVID-19 cases to get treatment.

3: There is another problem when looking at CONVID-19 when compared to the flu. So far I have assumed the rate of infection between both to be the same at 10.77% of total US population. The problem is that there are some indications that CONVID-19 may have an infection rate as high as 60%, meaning instead of 35 million cases, there could be somewhere around 200 million cases of CONVID-19. This would mean 5.5 times more cases of CONVID-19 in the United States than the flu for 2018-2019 (and all of the other comparisons the same multiple).

The one thing that would help in making estimates is if there was some way to get any one of the numbers as somewhat assured or known, and then everything else could be a stat based off of that. So far the numbers seem to be 'sliding all over the place' so it is hard to tell anything definite at the moment.

One hope is that maybe the spread can be slowed down with some quarantines. Even if quarantines do not work, maybe the spread of CONVID-19 can be slowed enough that the medical system can keep up with the people infected or give more time for a treatment to become available.

There is also hope that maybe CONVID-19 will mutate after a few months and simply just disappear with little fallout on the public. So far there appears to be two strains of CONVID-19, so people can get one strain, recover, and then get the second strain. There are many reports in the press of people 'getting the virus again and it can't be immunized against' but this is not completely correct. While, yes, people are getting CONVID-19 again, they are getting the other strain, not the same strain they just had. If there was a vaccine against CONVID-19 and it included both strains in it, then people would be fine.

One thing that I wish governments would do, would be a worldwide lock down for a week or two. While at this stage it seems like that would be an over reaction, especially with the number of cases below 100 in the United States; it would give the supply systems a chance to catch up with demand for medical products, and also keep people apart so any current cases would be identified, tested and anyone who has contact isolated and not spread. The time to do a lock down is when there are few cases and to keep CONVID-19 from spreading, not wait until there are cases all over the place and a lock down is too late to do anything; but no one in a position to make that decision seems to want to take the risk, or understand the risk of waiting, to do such a thing.

I think a lock down, with advance warning so people could stock up on food and such, would be like a holiday week and not be that disruptive since there are piles of most items all over the place. Having people buy some extra things of items they are going to use anyways (food, some supplies) would really not cause any problems and might even help some companies clear out old stocks of items they don't want in stock anymore.

I think this is going to show the faults with the 'Just In Time' inventory system where companies never want to have a backup supply of anything in stock. With interest rates being so low it is not like not having raw materials or inventory on hand really saved them anything and they lose business if (when?) they run out of stuff.

Looked like the fast-mutating corona virus mutated from "COVID-19" to "CONVID-19" halfway through this post.

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(02-29-2020 03:24 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 03:15 PM)911 Wrote:  Good point on the energy front. All critical functions will be prioritized.

On vitamin C: FYI megadosing has its downsides. A good friend of mine who did this a while back ended up developing a strong allergy to citrus, can't drink water from a jug with a lemon sliver in it.

You can't do it with fruit. I might get to it, because it's useful. All safe megadosing studies and real-life applications since the 1950s onwards have been made with pure vitamin c powder - now l-ascorbic acid. I don't even know of any means of doing it with fruit and I would not recommend some natural vitamin C that has plant residue in it. It's only for the pure chemical with nothing else on top of it.

Also - vitamin C allergy is impossible, seems like someone did some insane stuff trying to megadose with citrus-fruits which don't have much vitamin C anyway.

I have about 1.5 pounds of vitamin C. Enough for 3 days at 200,000mg, which is what that study you sent me suggested would cure viral pneumonia. I guess I should assume this is worse than that and get at least double this.
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(02-29-2020 05:06 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  I am following someone who seems to be extremely well informed and almost all his predictions/annoucements appear to be confirmed 24/48 hours later
I will try to update 2/3 times a day . Once again please forgive my bad english , I often write here after hours of work at the office and at home , when kids and wife are sleeping , and when I am tired it becomes difficult to use my best english.

In a nutshell for the last few hours

-Brazil had one first death. A second death will be announced too. Tests in Brazil take up to 5 days , which means Brazil is not ready at all to fight the pandemic.

-Washington State (USA) 50 people in a "healthcare" with a lot of old people infected by a "sudden pneumonia epidemics". No official communication about this. This implies that in 24-48 hours a lot of people will be infected in this state.
What's weird is wasn't that first case in Washington, and I don't exactly recall when that was, but it was probably in mid January sometime. So that's quite a long time between then and now. Maybe even over a month.
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infowarrior1 Wrote:If the script is played out according to the book "Eyes of Darkness" the virus may mysteriously disappear then reappear 10 years later then vanish forever

I don't like this one bit. It's too specific. But let's make a thought experiment and use it as key to connect the dots of what we already know about NWO, elites, etc. I'm going on a limb here so bare with me.

So far it seems the virus was deliberately designed in a lab. If that is true, those who made it had a specific goal and left nothing to fate. We know the elites want to decrease population. They release the virus which seems benign enough to be downplayed by the public. It spreads to the whole population and peters down, miraculously disappears as Trump said. The world forgets about coronavirus but the pathogen is dormant and designed to re-emerge after said 10 years or simply intentionally reintroduced. Only this time it's much more deadly and uses the change in the immune system it made the first time it was contracted. The majority of people who did get infected in 2020 die leaving only those who were vaxxed including the elites. I think they would want to keep those who take the vaccine because these people would be more fearful and susceptible to manipulation and future exploitation. The second wave of the virus will create worldwide breakdown, reduce the population in a big way and allow the world government to rise. Goal achieved. NWO.

If a real vaccine gets introduced I wonder how many units will be manufactured.

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There is a crisis meeting in Germany right now (not announced officially)
They are discussing new measures to be applied tomorrow.
Authorities understood that they cannot stop this pandemic but look to slow down the propagation.
Just like for other countries (France , Switzerland) Germany gave up on containing the propagation but is working on slowing it down.
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(02-29-2020 04:04 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  Iran reporting 593 cases with 43 deaths so far. Thats over 4 times the fatality rate reported everywhere else.

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They must be treating the infected with gravity like they do the gays

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Not to expand the point - it turns out that the hangings were not of gays per se, but men who had raped and killed boys and girls. They are almost exclusively murderous pedophiles - some gays among them, but not because of being caught with Rahmed behind a dumpster, rather for putting child-parts into a dumpster. It was even in the official media as a journalist researched the pictures of those hangings.

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Some culling of the herd wouldn't be so bad - unfortunately it seems to hit mostly the elderly and partly the more well-travelled.
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(02-29-2020 05:41 PM)Bury Zenek Wrote:  
infowarrior1 Wrote:If the script is played out according to the book "Eyes of Darkness" the virus may mysteriously disappear then reappear 10 years later then vanish forever

I don't like this one bit. It's too specific. But let's make a thought experiment and use it as key to connect the dots of what we already know about NWO, elites, etc. I'm going on a limb here so bare with me.

So far it seems the virus was deliberately designed in a lab. If that is true, whoever made it had a specific goal and left nothing to fate. We know the elites want to decrease population. They release the virus which seems benign enough to be downplayed by the public. It spreads to the whole population and peters down, miraculously disappears as Trump said. The world forgets about coronavirus but the pathogen is dormant and designed to re-emerge after said 10 years or simply intentionally reintroduced. Only this time it's much more deadly and uses the change in the immune system it made the first time it was contracted. The majority of people who did get infected in 2020 die leaving only those who were vaxxed including the elites. I think they would want to keep those who take the vaccine because these people would be more fearful and susceptible to manipulation and future exploitation. The second wave of the virus will create worldwide breakdown, reduce the population in a big way and allow the world government to rise. Goal achieved. NWO.

If a real vaccine gets introduced I wonder how many units will be manufactured.

Feel free to play with this concept.

The amount of engineering required to pull off such a virus makes the concept wholly unbelievable.

It’s a far fetched fantasy. If it was made in a lab, I think the idea of Chan selling infected carcasses that he was supposed to incinerate a whole lot more likely than an evil genius engineering airborne aids with a 10 year kill switch.
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(02-29-2020 05:53 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 04:04 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  Iran reporting 593 cases with 43 deaths so far. Thats over 4 times the fatality rate reported everywhere else.

Covid Tracker

They must be treating the infected with gravity like they do the gays

[Don't embed gory images - Mod]

Not to expand the point - it turns out that the hangings were not of gays per se, but men who had raped and killed boys and girls. They are almost exclusively murderous pedophiles - some gays among them, but not because of being caught with Rahmed behind a dumpster, rather for putting child-parts into a dumpster. It was even in the official media as a journalist researched the pictures of those hangings.

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Some culling of the herd wouldn't be so bad - unfortunately it seems to hit mostly the elderly and partly the more well-travelled.

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(02-29-2020 06:03 PM)SeaFM Wrote:  The amount of engineering required to pull off such a virus makes the concept wholly unbelievable.

It’s a far fetched fantasy. If it was made in a lab, I think the idea of Chan selling infected carcasses that he was supposed to incinerate a whole lot more likely than an evil genius engineering airborne aids with a 10 year kill switch.

The elites have endless budget and go for whatever they want. It doesn't matter how they release it, the important thing is their creation gets out.

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The bioweapons program in the US alone went through tens of billions (if not hundreds) over the last few decades, and it's over a century old (see Spanish Flu, circa 1918). It would be silly to believe that there isn't a whole arsenal of viruses already available by now.

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(02-29-2020 03:13 PM)scorpion Wrote:  Coronavirus is so infectious it's spawning multiple threads.

I suggest that all one liners should be from Kona, in the new thread. At the very least, they should be Kona approved. Holding in a chuckle until approved.
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(02-29-2020 05:50 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  There is a crisis meeting in Germany right now (not announced officially)
They are discussing new measures to be applied tomorrow.
Authorities understood that they cannot stop this pandemic but look to slow down the propagation.
Just like for other countries (France , Switzerland) Germany gave up on containing the propagation but is working on slowing it down.

Do you think that they could force us to take vaccines? If so I'm out of Europe.

Also, a good video of censored footage out of Wuhan. Some really weird stuff guys especially 9:15 the dude licks the elevator to infect everyone!!!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilJGPcmP4Kw
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(02-29-2020 06:25 PM)Trumps Intern Wrote:  
(02-29-2020 05:50 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  There is a crisis meeting in Germany right now (not announced officially)
They are discussing new measures to be applied tomorrow.
Authorities understood that they cannot stop this pandemic but look to slow down the propagation.
Just like for other countries (France , Switzerland) Germany gave up on containing the propagation but is working on slowing it down.

Do you think that they could force us to take vaccines? If so I'm out of Europe.

Also, a good video of censored footage out of Wuhan. Some really weird stuff guys especially 9:15 the dude licks the elevator to infect everyone!!!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilJGPcmP4Kw

since there is no vaccine so far , i dont think so.
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(02-29-2020 05:50 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  There is a crisis meeting in Germany right now (not announced officially)
They are discussing new measures to be applied tomorrow.
Authorities understood that they cannot stop this pandemic but look to slow down the propagation.
Just like for other countries (France , Switzerland) Germany gave up on containing the propagation but is working on slowing it down.

And finally, the migrant invasion of Europe comes to a temporary close.

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It's odd, I realized I already am prepped. I had a couple of large bags of rice the last time they went on sale, I have a couple cases of protein powder for when I am too much in a rush to make a real meal, I stocked up on those tins of fish that trader joes sells, I basically have enough food for a couple of months, in case we really get shortages, I'm already ready.

I don't have any of the masks, but I don't really think they work anyways.

Yes frozen food is always great anyways.

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(02-29-2020 05:16 PM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  A new case will be announced in the region of Richmond Hill (Ontario)

This one is interesting because it was only announced after the details were leaked by someone inside the hospital https://www.yorkregion.com/news-story/98...rus-cases/

There are also 2 other cases which are considered 'resolved' as the people had 2 negative tests. This 'resolved' standard is going to burn these countries in a few weeks.

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(02-29-2020 03:15 PM)911 Wrote:  Good point on the energy front. All critical functions will be prioritized.

On vitamin C: FYI megadosing has its downsides. A good friend of mine who did this a while back ended up developing a strong allergy to citrus, can't drink water from a jug with a lemon sliver in it.

You can't do it with fruit. I might get to it, because it's useful. All safe megadosing studies and real-life applications since the 1950s onwards have been made with pure vitamin c powder - now l-ascorbic acid. I don't even know of any means of doing it with fruit and I would not recommend some natural vitamin C that has plant residue in it. It's only for the pure chemical with nothing else on top of it.

Also - vitamin C allergy is impossible, seems like someone did some insane stuff trying to megadose with citrus-fruits which don't have much vitamin C anyway.

You shouldn't even be using chewable vitamin C for megadosing. You should be using the buffered form instead.
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Resolved cases are 3. The couple from Toronto where the husband caught it in China, and the Chinese student at Western, who apparently did not go to any classes.

Iran must be overrun by cases now for that many to show up in tourists returning home.

Speaking of which...business class on Qatar Air... someone has money.
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Quote:Looked like the fast-mutating corona virus mutated from "COVID-19" to "CONVID-19" halfway through this post.

The curse of poor editing and proof reading strikes again. It seems that no matter how much I proof read my work that I always miss something. One of my friends has the same problem and refers to himself as 'the typo king'.

I do wish that posts could be edited for longer than is allowed now.
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Is this real? I know Washington (esp. rural) is a strange part of the country but I see nothing on the internet about this.
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This is in Tukwila, Washington, same state that had the first coronavirus death.

I went to Walmart today. Flour and peanut better are running low, but no sign of people stocking up.

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You can find a lot of reports if you do a search for "Walmart" / "Costco" / "Target" + "empty".





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Bit ironic if 'panic buying' buoys the economy enough to avoid serious recession... Rolleyes
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