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What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
A recurring theme among many my age/ cohort is becoming frustrated with the state of things. Despite this, numerous guys are living, by all accounts, normal lives for the most part.

What are you guys doing to exit the social-political control matrix?

Me:
Watch all media on streaming sites for free
No TV
No food with harmful hormones
Bought normie looking car with cash (no car payment)
No social media
Cell phone bought with cash, as well as current number
Hunting dog for protection
No beer--only spirits
Use nicotine as drug of choice
Take jobs with low barriers to entry to avoid intrusive HR departments
-Hide cash accordingly
Avoid red-pill and related subjects with all but closest friends
02-22-2020 05:58 PM
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
In my state (PNW region) skilled mechanics can name their price and walk away from a bad deal, without any concern for financial stability.
More specifically, there is an extreme shortage of versatile tradesmen.
If you can half decently weld, know enough to troubleshoot electrical problems, the basics of carpentry, some plumbing and how to follow a manual to dissemble carburetors, engines, generators, etc... you can easily clear $150,000 a year out here and will never have to put up with any females while your on the clock.

All these “jack of all tradesmen” are retiring or retired.
Companies are now paying 5 salaries for “specialists” (journeyman: welder, electrical engineer, carpenter, plumber and auto tech)
When 1 old timer use to know how to do all of that themself.

I thought my generation (gen x) was lacking but the millennials are completely devoid of any self reliance and mechanical aptitude.

If you want to call the shots and feel genuine pride from your work, join a paid apprenticeship.
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
I don't see myself becoming one of those things professionally, but I'd love to do a sort of apprenticeship to learn some of those skills. I'm pretty handy in general, but a week of on-the-job electrical or plumbing work is enough to give the average person everything they're likely to need in that domain for the rest of their life.
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
(02-22-2020 10:20 PM)ScrapperTL Wrote:  In my state (PNW region) skilled mechanics can name their price and walk away from a bad deal, without any concern for financial stability.
More specifically, there is an extreme shortage of versatile tradesmen.
If you can half decently weld, know enough to troubleshoot electrical problems, the basics of carpentry, some plumbing and how to follow a manual to dissemble carburetors, engines, generators, etc... you can easily clear $150,000 a year out here and will never have to put up with any females while your on the clock.

All these “jack of all tradesmen” are retiring or retired.
Companies are now paying 5 salaries for “specialists” (journeyman: welder, electrical engineer, carpenter, plumber and auto tech)
When 1 old timer use to know how to do all of that themself.

I thought my generation (gen x) was lacking but the millennials are completely devoid of any self reliance and mechanical aptitude.

If you want to call the shots and feel genuine pride from your work, join a paid apprenticeship.

%200 correct.
02-23-2020 01:15 PM
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
(02-22-2020 05:58 PM)Travola Wrote:  A recurring theme among many my age/ cohort is becoming frustrated with the state of things. Despite this, numerous guys are living, by all accounts, normal lives for the most part.

What are you guys doing to exit the social-political control matrix?

Me:
Watch all media on streaming sites for free
No TV
No food with harmful hormones
Bought normie looking car with cash (no car payment)
No social media
Cell phone bought with cash, as well as current number
Hunting dog for protection
No beer--only spirits
Use nicotine as drug of choice
Take jobs with low barriers to entry to avoid intrusive HR departments
-Hide cash accordingly
Avoid red-pill and related subjects with all but closest friends

I'm doing a lot of the same stuff you're doing, although I avoid alcohol and nicotine consumption.

One thing that's very helpful is to have no debt. I'm debt-free -- never really been in debt, because I make sure I don't buy things I don't need.

What I'm focusing on right now is starting an online business that I can run from anywhere in the world. Eventually, I plan to live solely on the income from that business. Bold and Determined (http://boldanddetermined.com) has been very inspirational in this regard.

I'm also trying to cut down on surfing the Internet and playing video games -- both are just a waste of time that could be better used for more productive things.
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
Already done:

No (((apple products))) in my dwellings.
No soy, or sugar (barring fruits).
No porn.
No gays in my peripheral social circle.
No libtards or SJW who know me by name or where I live.
No acquiescing to NWO types.
No hanging around low-hanging fruit. I don't think God wants us spending time and energy on those who cannot help themselves.
No debt to any (((banks))). Better off owning a vehicle and renting a place than paying a mortgage (latin for death grip).

In progress:

Have a 90-day food and water supply ready.
Have 2 full tanks of gas on hand in storage (tricky because you have to move it around a bit so it doesn't get stale).
Have basic vehicle repair tools, a spare car battery in a faraday cage, a jack and jack stand, toolkit, spare tire or two etc.
Learning to hunt, learning to code.
Fasting + Herbs & Mushrooms + Lifting = superiority
go out in nature at least once a week for several hours away from the cities.
Avoid going out at night, so you can maximize the best sleep window and keep yourself strong
But the most important one is finding others you can work on solidarity with, to help one another escape the rat race. This one is the hardest for me because most people are content to stay within the confines of the race.

You can't cheat nature.
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
I am not in the rat race. Some specific advice here.

Thoroughly getting out has required sacrifices, most notably living with the parents and only paying for food. I went my first year earning spending no more than about $1,000 and then not much more than that. The first time I spent 6 months abroad cost little more than $3,000.

Just cut everything out; and if you are on the right side of a recession invest in all.

The one big thing I wish I paid more attention to is social circle. Now I have the finances of a 10, but the social circle of a 4. And the social circle of a 4 means you're largely left to looks, i.e. trading down.

I also learned a lot I wish I knew earlier to have myself set up completely differently now. I've got that coming along in a draft...

Vices are best to go completely. If you keep them as an option, they are an addiction risk.

- little/no TV/film
- no games
- no porn, IG, other nudey sites, gawking at women, sexual fantasies
- little/no reading (do it when you're old and can't do much else)
- no smoking, alcohol, drugs
- no hanging round with reprobates, drunks, drug users
- no social media, smartphone wasting
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
Thanks for the link Gework, can I ask what you do in your free time? Mainly because I've been freeing up some of the vices you list so I can focus more on things like reading.
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
This is a recurring theme I'm seeing more and more of, especially with us millenials.
Not to be rude, but I honestly think it's in part due to our generation no longer able to accept any type of hierachy or the rigidness of the most fundamental aspect of life: WORK.

Instead of trying to quit the rat race, why not try to run it instead ?
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
Since the beginning of the year I had thinking about if the engineering career I've been on for the last 5 years was what would make me happy. The owner of the company has told me to set everything up for a college education to then be reimbursed but something has been stopping me. Around Thanksgiving I made the choice to break it off with my 4 year LTR. Really, I wasted the last 2 years not believing in who I was before any of the relationship and started to focus on surviving. To be fair it taught me about who I was.

The hardest part is rewiring your brain away from cooming and consooming. The indulgence in those two things took away the motivation to change and be uncomfortable. At least for me, I started using exercise and engaging hobbies to heal from years of coping. One thing that satisfies me now is helping people in unique ways.

My goal for the next 10 years is be become a DJ and Producer while I'm still 25 and marketable. If none if it works out in any meaningful away there's always the life that was there, or maybe something better. If I can feel heard, bring the party and get paid for it, its almost as good as being a dad.
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(02-24-2020 07:55 PM)hervens Wrote:  This is a recurring theme I'm seeing more and more of, especially with us millenials.
Not to be rude, but I honestly think it's in part due to our generation no longer able to accept any type of hierachy or the rigidness of the most fundamental aspect of life: WORK.

Instead of trying to quit the rat race, why not try to run it instead ?

Even if you win the Rat Race, you are still a rat.

It's a fair point that hard work can pay off. Also, jobs that are not intrinsically enjoyable to most can pay well. The Rat Race is in part the work itself, and in other part identifying yourself with the Jones', or the condo guy next door.

I just bought a small farm. I have been successful in the rat race for 10 years now. So if the rat race serves your purpose, it can be fine.

Previously, I was thinking more of moving to Colombia. There are beautiful women who want family there, I had adequate savings to float along and re establish myself in a way that I wanted. The time I spent there, unplugged me from the rat race and solidified my desire to do something different with my life. I haven't ruled out spending more time down there.

Keeping your head down, never looking up and self analyzing, feeling you have to do what your peers do, to me is a key quality of the rat race

For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Rom 1:22
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
Gework, why do you have "little/no reading" on your vices list? Wouldn't you want to read more and thus learn more? Or are you just talking about fiction or something?
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(02-25-2020 08:57 AM)Unit 600RR Wrote:  My goal for the next 10 years is be become a DJ and Producer while I'm still 25 and marketable. If none if it works out in any meaningful away there's always the life that was there, or maybe something better. If I can feel heard, bring the party and get paid for it, its almost as good as being a dad.


That sounds risky, but I admire you going for it. Keep us apprised as to the events you throw, I travel a lot (too much) and you never know when I'll be where.
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
(02-23-2020 04:28 PM)gework Wrote:  -- little/no reading (do it when you're old and can't do much else)

Disagree with that completely - a man should read, period - and be very well read.

Nothing wrong with fiction either unless you are reading Harry Potter.

America has produced some phenomenal writers in my book (ahem) far better than my own country (UK) which isn't exactly rubbish either - to miss out on their works is criminal.

Quote:Instead of trying to quit the rat race, why not try to run it instead ?

Even if you win the Rat Race, you are still a rat.

I think he means to actual let others run the race for you and you profit from all the runners - as in you charge the entry fees, make the rules and control it all.
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
been involved with crypto since 2014 and have done and am still doing well for myself. I'm under 30 and finishing my degree (which is already paid up for a bachlors when I was a kid so no debt from college). This thankfully keeps me out of the rat race atm.

"For each man must learn to live within the citadel of himself."
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(02-25-2020 09:55 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  
(02-24-2020 07:55 PM)hervens Wrote:  This is a recurring theme I'm seeing more and more of, especially with us millenials.
Not to be rude, but I honestly think it's in part due to our generation no longer able to accept any type of hierachy or the rigidness of the most fundamental aspect of life: WORK.

Instead of trying to quit the rat race, why not try to run it instead ?

Even if you win the Rat Race, you are still a rat.

It's a fair point that hard work can pay off. Also, jobs that are not intrinsically enjoyable to most can pay well. The Rat Race is in part the work itself, and in other part identifying yourself with the Jones', or the condo guy next door.

I just bought a small farm. I have been successful in the rat race for 10 years now. So if the rat race serves your purpose, it can be fine.

Previously, I was thinking more of moving to Colombia. There are beautiful women who want family there, I had adequate savings to float along and re establish myself in a way that I wanted. The time I spent there, unplugged me from the rat race and solidified my desire to do something different with my life. I haven't ruled out spending more time down there.

Keeping your head down, never looking up and self analyzing, feeling you have to do what your peers do, to me is a key quality of the rat race

Congrats on the farm, I'm all for alternative lifestyles. However, do realize you'll still be comparing the size of your truck, with the size of the truck the nearest farm owner drives.
The point I'm trying to make is, life will be challenging no matter what path you choose.
Here in the west, a good stem degree or trade should easily get you at least 70k - 100k a few years out of school which in turn hopefully provides for a decent quality of life.

After completing my engineering degree and starting my first job as a software dev at a major bank, I was extremely miserable and unable to adapt to the 9-5 lifestyle. I would get frustrated whenever I received negative feedback during evaluations and was desperately looking for a way out.

I looked into buying a small retail or franchise business from money I managed to make through an online business ( the online gig later lost momentum and failed )

After speaking to multiple small business owners, and working with a business broker, it became evident that running your own local shop is actually way more stressful and requires more hours than my corporate job, especially when you bring employees into the picture. I even looked into taking up a massive loan and buying a farm business believe it or not.

I decided to keep my job and best decision I ever did. I learned to adapt to the 9-5 schedule, developed solid work ethic and career plan, and with that came promotions and job satisfaction. Furthermore, I can use my nights and weekends to try to launch another online biz, and use my stable income to get a mortgage and invest in real estate. Currently have 1 income property, and hoping to refinance and get another one by year end as long as the coronavirus scare doesn't bring us down to a recession.

The reason why most people want to quit the rat race, is because they want to do their own things and be the ones running the show.
If you learn to navigate your way around work politics and you excel at what you do, you could be doing your own thing just the same, and maybe even be steering an entire department or team to the direction you want it to go.
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^^I agree about the reading, it is essential. Books are like music: who shouldn't like them. Pound-for-pound reading does much more for you than TV, Internet, etc.
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
Move to a rural area and start over.

Completely live life on your own terms, regardless of what clown world is doing.

Get a hobby farm. Own some acreage, learn to garden, plant fruit trees, raise chickens. Learn how to preserve food without electricity. Read books from before 1950 about country living. Get an old Ford tractor. Build your own shooting range on your land. Install a sand point well with a pitcher pump. Learn about firearms and how to load your own ammo. Get into Beekeeping.

Never stop reading and learning. Read old history books, not modern revisionist history. The nature of man will never change and history repeats. Used old books are cheap, around $4 shipped. I start reading about a subject and that leads me into something else. I'm learning more now then I did in the Marxist college system.

Old movies are often a higher quality then new movies. Look up some of the most popular movies of the 40's and 50's.

Go into the woods and learn to use a map and compass. Learn how to take a bearing and navigate.

Get rid of the smartphone. I went back to a landline.

Cities are toxic and unnatural. Leave them.
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(02-25-2020 02:15 PM)kel Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 08:57 AM)Unit 600RR Wrote:  My goal for the next 10 years is be become a DJ and Producer while I'm still 25 and marketable. If none if it works out in any meaningful away there's always the life that was there, or maybe something better. If I can feel heard, bring the party and get paid for it, its almost as good as being a dad.


That sounds risky, but I admire you going for it. Keep us apprised as to the events you throw, I travel a lot (too much) and you never know when I'll be where.

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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
I live in a somewhat rural area. There is just not much to do. For one, the country is depopulating in rural areas. The population is aging too. While there may be people my age in mid-size towns and cities, not so in rural areas. I strongly suspect that men outnumber women as well, and, most women are overweight. One positive I guess, is that slut-shaming is prevalent and people know well who the slut is, the alcoholic, the girl sleeping with her boss, the pill popper, etc. There is so value to knowing all those things.

But, I still at the end of the day crave the anonymity of the city.

As far as culture is concerned, there are all these county music groupies, crappy classic, 80's era, rock, and limited options.

At the end of the day, you have to take risks when you're a young guy, and follow the action.

With that in mind I see myself having a rural estate one day, but unless someone is going MGTOW, I don't understand the appeal.
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I think it's important to have a skill that can be used all over, like trades, accounting, engineering, IT, etc. This gives you lots of options on where to live. Having a good skill can also be a safety net to take other risks.

I also get where Travola is coming from. Unless you know what you're getting into, too rural can be hard to get used to. Medium sized cities, or smaller cities with young people can be a good middle ground. I am really starting to dislike the larger US cities though, and all the nonsense that comes with them. After you've seen enough of them, it all starts to seem like the same shit too. Insane traffic, insane politics, crime, filth, crowds everywhere, overpriced, bums everywhere, etc. All those extra people means nothing if they're annoying to be around, and having room to breathe is very underrated.

The easiest way to escape the rat race is to stop caring about keeping up with the Joneses.
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(02-24-2020 07:55 PM)hervens Wrote:  This is a recurring theme I'm seeing more and more of, especially with us millenials.
Not to be rude, but I honestly think it's in part due to our generation no longer able to accept any type of hierachy or the rigidness of the most fundamental aspect of life: WORK.

Instead of trying to quit the rat race, why not try to run it instead ?

Even if you win the Rat Race, you are still a rat.
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Keeping your head down, never looking up and self analyzing, feeling you have to do what your peers do, to me is a key quality of the rat race
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The reason why most people want to quit the rat race, is because they want to do their own things and be the ones running the show.
If you learn to navigate your way around work politics and you excel at what you do, you could be doing your own thing just the same, and maybe even be steering an entire department or team to the direction you want it to go.

Yes. A big part of the rat race is taking your queues from those around you and comparing wealth, whether it be designer shoes or the size of your truck. To me these add nothing to the quality of life.

I agree with you also that how you view your job, how much you like it or have come to terms with it is a big part. I am currently working in a Gov't town. The people here have easy jobs and it makes the place and people very much, "not rat race". If you're in a big metropolitan area, you're probably a rat!

I think the pace of life is a big problem in the rat race. For instance, if someone feels like they are trapped working to support a specific lifestyle, to me they are in the rat race. "Lifestyle design" might be a little cliché, but people should be thinking about the life they want and setting their job and expenses to match that.

I drive a 2007 3 Series. I could lease a new car, or buy one. I have a friend who leases a BMW X5. For him its important what he drives. For me it isn't. If we are both taking queues from ourselves then its all fine. But lets say for instance he internally doesn't want to spend that on a vehicle, but does because he feels he somehow has to as part of his life role,... then he is a Rat!

It's similar with housing. People feel they have to upgrade rather than just relax and enjoy the home they are in. They ALWAYS need to get ahead a little more. When in reality, if you look at their lifestyle it isn't really anything to be envied. Rats never know when to stop, even when they are going down a path that isn't good for their life. So if you can stop or take your foot off the gas, change directions, that's a good sign you're not a rat.

Lastly … IF YOUR WIFE WORKS YOU'RE IN THE RAT RACE

For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Rom 1:22
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Waiting for corona chan.

Pandemics are part and parcel of living in an industrial system.
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
(02-28-2020 07:47 PM)Travola Wrote:  I live in a somewhat rural area. There is just not much to do. For one, the country is depopulating in rural areas. The population is aging too. While there may be people my age in mid-size towns and cities, not so in rural areas. I strongly suspect that men outnumber women as well, and, most women are overweight. One positive I guess, is that slut-shaming is prevalent and people know well who the slut is, the alcoholic, the girl sleeping with her boss, the pill popper, etc. There is so value to knowing all those things.

But, I still at the end of the day crave the anonymity of the city.

As far as culture is concerned, there are all these county music groupies, crappy classic, 80's era, rock, and limited options.

At the end of the day, you have to take risks when you're a young guy, and follow the action.

With that in mind I see myself having a rural estate one day, but unless someone is going MGTOW, I don't understand the appeal.

I moved from one of the largest cities to a very rural area. I love it and will never go back.

In a rural area you are your own man. You find things to do. You can do things you can't do even in a medium sized city. I lived both urban and rural so I don't take it for granted like those who were born here do.

The anonymity of the city is one of the factors that has degraded and destroyed civilization. American cities today are filled with foreigners, leftists, and feminists. In some places if you took a person from as late as the 1990's and put them in the modern city they would think they were in a third world country.

The infrastructure of the cities are declining and collapsing. The number of cars on the roads increase every year but the amount of roads do not. This causes more traffic each year which leads to a decline in the standard of living.

I don't like the idea of being dependent upon the system in city living. Where does your water come from? A water treatment plant. What if that plant goes down or there is nobody to run it?

Your heat and electric come from a utility company. Cities are banning fireplaces and wood heat. If your utility company can't provide for any reason and you live in an area where there is a winter you're in trouble.

The cities are dependent upon the trucks and trains for food. Its a fragile system and only about 100 years old, not exactly time tested.

What you wrote about the people and women of a rural area is accurate. The quality women usually leave to go to college as the Liberal-Marxist system demands of them. The ones that stay are usually obese, have drug problems, or are single mothers.

My old friends stayed in the city and I have kept regular contact with them. They aren't fairing well. Yes, they have more opportunities with women but those women are city women and of a low quality. They spend part of their work day sitting in traffic which I view as unpaid time on the clock. Their taxes and cost of living is almost 3 times what mine is. Their entertainment consists of going out to bars, restaurants, and traveling. Its an expensive lifestyle along with being unfulfilling and unnatural.

Travola if you have a stable home in the country you are already ahead of the millions in the cities. Many people in the cities would love to get out. I wouldn't just give that up so soon. Humans have a problem of not being able to learn from others and having to experience everything for themselves. Move to a big city and get an apartment. Try it for a few years. When the new car smell wears off you'll go back home.

I'm not a card carrying member of MGTOW but I guess that is the life I'm living. I live my life on my own terms and answer to nobody. If a quality woman comes along who shares my outlook on life and wants this lifestyle I would get married. Life is too short to wait.

Buy some cheap land in the middle of nowhere and build your own cabin with your own hands. Or you can spend your time sitting in traffic waiting to go to your cubicle and wonder what stupid ideas the HR department will come up with this week.

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02-29-2020 07:08 AM
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RE: What are you doing to escape the rat-race?
To reiterate, I have lived in both the city and the country. Not all cities are created equal, and many cities in the South (unlike cities in Cali, the Northeast, or Chicago) actually function as they should. Mid-size towns are good options too, especially if they are prosperous or have more women.

The problem I'm faced with living in the middle of nowhere is that I'm 20+ minutes from the nearest grocery store, there are no good jobs within 20 minutes, there are no women, and there's only two bars I can easily get to within 20 minutes. And they're both full of old boomers.

For me, I have young friends in the city too. The only reason they are struggling is because they live a lifestyle outside of their means (they should live with parents or have a roommate), are taking pills or drugs or drinking heavily, and because they are fully indoctrinated into the cucked system that is pervasive in cities and corporate America. Many of them check the materialistic box, and fail to recognize it because the lack self awareness.
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