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RE: Wife hunting in Russia
(02-23-2020 05:31 PM)BigFellow Wrote:  What are your thoughts on interdenominational marriage?

I find myself drawn to Russian women, but I am not Eastern Orthodox. My background is Protestant. When I was talking to a beautiful Russian girl by text the other day, she told me in Russian "Lutherans are not Christian."

This presents some challenges for me if I am interested in a Russian wife. One approach I could take is to seriously consider becoming Orthodox. However, it would be hard to make that jump if I don't sincerely believe it. Alternatively I could try to convert her to Protestant Christianity; I have been told that this is usually not a good approach either. Or we could get married but attend different churches when married. It seems like it would be hard to raise children when the mom and dad attend different churches and have a different belief system. Or I could try to find some type of middle ground, and not wear a denomination on my sleeve, and avoid publicly committing to certain beliefs, so as to minimize contention and appear adaptable. I am somewhat ambivalent about what to do.

I was in a Lutheran church today and I noticed a lot of women who were wearing pants and had their hair bobbed short. I doubt I would find someone suitable there. I'm not ever going to find someone who agrees with me on everything, so is it compromising too much to pursue a Russian Orthodox woman?

In my personal opinion, beauty is a very important characteristic when seeking a wife; I don't want to marry a woman of great personality/character and mediocre beauty and then find myself tempted to pursue some other woman after I'm married to her. I would be doing her a disservice. If I am only allowed to have one woman, I might as well try to hit a homerun instead of settling for someone of average beauty.

please read the whole thread and the post where I strongly recommend not to look for extremely religious Russian women. Their are often insufferable. A normal Russian girl would never critisize your faith. A good marriage material Russian girl doesnt even care what brach of Christianity you belong to as long ots a real church not some kind of sect. Im protestant myself and if me and my girlfriend move to Germany we will raise our children in the protestant religion. If we stay in Russia they will be orthodox. My girlfriend is not religious she wouldnt convert but she will go to the protestant church with me once we move there. I most certainly dont think a man should ever convert to his wifes religion. If a church wedding for both of you in the US is not possible, just marry in the courthouse. Besides you can have an orthodox church wedding even if you are not orthodox. Dont bend over to please a Russian girls religious demands. She should cater to you not the other way around.
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RE: Wife hunting in Russia
(02-25-2020 12:58 AM)RobertBryce Wrote:  
(02-23-2020 11:12 AM)bucky Wrote:  What specific differences do you see between Ukrainians and Russians? When I lived in Ukraine I was in the eastern part and rarely heard Ukrainian spoken (it was rare enough that if I heard it I'd turn my head and think "hey, there's someone speaking Ukrainian") and everyone referred to themselves and the area as Russian and Russia ("Russian girls are beautiful, aren't they?" or "Hope you can stand the Russian winter).

This was before the annexation of Crimea and all the current problems that ensued, so maybe this has changed a bit. I do notice Ukrainians I know making an effort to write in Ukrainian rather than Russian on social media now, for example. Still, I think of Ukrainians and Russians as being about as different as Central Americans and Mexicans or Americans of Anglo-Saxon origin and the British. That is, some small cultural differences, but most of the difference is in their minds.


so you ve had a woman from Ukraine or Russia? Have you actually visited Russia itself? No see these countries have always been very different incl their attitude towards westerners. Ukraine has always strived to become an ally of the west. Ukrainians, men and women alike have been raised to love the west since USSR collapsed, and Ukrainian women especially think they deserve the best, they are so special etc. They believe that they have been robbed by Russia of a chance to be European, so many women will get to the west by any means incl using a western guy as a ticket.
Im not saying that a Russian woman would never do this. It depends. But Russian women for the last 30 years have been raised in some kind of semi-Soviet enviroment. They are raised to be loyal to their men and despise westerners. They are also often shamed by their men for wanting to marry up, told to be humble and accept what they can get without wanting too much. The top notch beauties in the Russian province have good chances of finding a non abusive Russian guy, so they ll mostly stick to their own men. Attractive women who don’t wear full make up and sexy clothes all the time are perceived as nerdy “too smart”, “too hard to get” and are often overlooked by Russian men. They are the ones who would do anything for a decent western boyfriend. And if they are a bit older and already graduated/working they ll be able to pay for their own shit.
Russia and Ukraine are very different and will become even more different in the years to come. They are also treated differently, Ukraine is treated like an ally by the west and Ukrainian girls have an easier time coming to the west and finding a man so their expectations will be higher. Russians are often treated like enemies and discriminated. Here in Russia I met all kinds of women who wanted to date me but very few are willing to move to Germany. Even my girlfriend took a long time convincing. If a westerner has had a bad experience with a Ukrainian woman he should say so not blame it on the Russian girls. I don’t see why girls from Siberia should be shamed and blamed by someone who had a negative experience in Lviv or Odessa. I bet American men don’t want to be judged by the degenerate behavior of some Brits who have stag parties in Eastern Europe. Just because two countries speak the same language doesn’t mean they are the same.
As time goes on more Ukrainian girls will move to the West and some will fuck up local men on their quest to Western citizenship. I don’t want all their bullshit to be blamed on Russian girls. If a Ukrainian girl wins an Olympic gold medal it isn’t credited to Russia. Their failures should also not be blamed on Russian women who for the most part don’t have a chance to move to the west, live there and date like a normal person (and show what they are made of). And yeah…. Those jewish girls who grew up on Brighton beach (whos parents immigrated to the US in the 90s from Ukraine) have even less in common with Russian women from Russia.
And once again Ill say that there are manipulative women here who use their intoxicating beauty and charm to have their foreign boyfriends run around in circles for them and spend all the money on them… Anyone who dates Russian girls should watch out for red flags and set clear boundaries from the beginning of the relationship. Its better to date a down to earth somewhat westernized chick that doesn’t try to take advantage of you than date a so called exotic Russian princess of your dreams, a drop dead gorgeous woman who could play the man like a fiddle.

Sure, there are differences between Ukraine and Russia, and as you say, and it's probably true that they've become more pronounced since my time in the FSU about 15 years ago. Still, they have much more in common than they have differences, as with all countries that border each other and speak the same language, like the US and Canada, Germany and Austria, Mexico and northern Central America, and so on (existence of the Ukrainian language noted, but most Ukrainians' real native language is either Russian or Serzhik).

Most importantly, I haven't seen much difference between Russian and Ukrainian women, and yes, I've been with several from both countries. Beautiful, passionate, cold, materialistic. Demanding and utterly intolerant of any sign of weakness in a man. Smart and perfectly capable of playing the long game to get what they want from you.

I'm not saying you can't find a good girl over there, I just don't think it's significantly easier than finding one in the Anglosphere. Looking back, I realize that the first FSU girl I was with (Ukrainian mother, Russian father) was probably a keeper, but I was young and didn't appreciate her, so I let her go.

I've given my warning, and I don't want to derail your thread. Carry on, I just urge guys who are considering Russian or Ukrainian girls to listen to some of the horror stories out there. There are many. Remember that if it looks too good to be true, it probably is applies here too.

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RE: Wife hunting in Russia
What is the best way to politely impress on her to pay?

What are good websites to meet russian women ? Are other nationalities worth exploring?
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(03-23-2020 12:13 AM)nampa1234 Wrote:  What is the best way to politely impress on her to pay?

What are good websites to meet russian women ? Are other nationalities worth exploring?

read the whole thread Ive already explained this. Basically any social or dating website will do as long as its not a russian mail order bride thing. english language platforms are also a good way to meet girls.
when I came to Russia in 2014 I would pay for girls on the first couple of dates and then expect her to pay for herself. These days I would develop a different strategy if I were single.
This piece of advice is not for everyone but for very confident men who dont want a goldigger. I would date girls 22 and older since they start working and have their own money at that age. I would only date a girl if she has a job. I would take her on a walk in the park or some free public event or to the movies on the first date. If you go to the movies you can choose a movie session at 11 00 or smth like that. if she asks why you can say its cheaper this way. sounds extreme to some rvf members thats why its not for everyone. so when youre buying the tickets, standing in line you tell her to go get the popcorn. shell have to pay of course. be respectfull but firm.
if she starts saying the man has to pay explain that you dont pay for women on dates like that. let her deal with that especially since you just started dating her. if you go to a restaurant ask the waitress to bring separate bills. if she asks for a gift say that youll get her something special on her birthday but thats it. if she insists on anything say she has a job and has to pay for her own shit. only do things for her once you re actually dating and even then I would bring my girlfriend in a rented car somewhere, help her carry heavy things, help fix shit around her house do those little things for her. But I would not give her money. nope. and she has to do way more for me.
If you want to avoid goldiggers you really have to live in the country you ve chosen for a little while. get to know some good girls with down to earth easy going personalities. become smth like casual friends/buddies then slowly develop the relationship further. never pay untill shes your girlfriend and then you can give her inexpensive gifts or pay for dinners in cheap restaurants only on special occasions. that strategy worked for me. I didnt spoil my women while I was still dating and I dont spoil my GF now that Im off the market.
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RE: Wife hunting in Russia
(03-23-2020 01:34 AM)RobertBryce Wrote:  
(03-23-2020 12:13 AM)nampa1234 Wrote:  What is the best way to politely impress on her to pay?

What are good websites to meet russian women ? Are other nationalities worth exploring?

read the whole thread Ive already explained this. Basically any social or dating website will do as long as its not a russian mail order bride thing. english language platforms are also a good way to meet girls.
when I came to Russia in 2014 I would pay for girls on the first couple of dates and then expect her to pay for herself. These days I would develop a different strategy if I were single.
This piece of advice is not for everyone but for very confident men who dont want a goldigger. I would date girls 22 and older since they start working and have their own money at that age. I would only date a girl if she has a job. I would take her on a walk in the park or some free public event or to the movies on the first date. If you go to the movies you can choose a movie session at 11 00 or smth like that. if she asks why you can say its cheaper this way. sounds extreme to some rvf members thats why its not for everyone. so when youre buying the tickets, standing in line you tell her to go get the popcorn. shell have to pay of course. be respectfull but firm.
if she starts saying the man has to pay explain that you dont pay for women on dates like that. let her deal with that especially since you just started dating her. if you go to a restaurant ask the waitress to bring separate bills. if she asks for a gift say that youll get her something special on her birthday but thats it. if she insists on anything say she has a job and has to pay for her own shit. only do things for her once you re actually dating and even then I would bring my girlfriend in a rented car somewhere, help her carry heavy things, help fix shit around her house do those little things for her. But I would not give her money. nope. and she has to do way more for me.
If you want to avoid goldiggers you really have to live in the country you ve chosen for a little while. get to know some good girls with down to earth easy going personalities. become smth like casual friends/buddies then slowly develop the relationship further. never pay untill shes your girlfriend and then you can give her inexpensive gifts or pay for dinners in cheap restaurants only on special occasions. that strategy worked for me. I didnt spoil my women while I was still dating and I dont spoil my GF now that Im off the market.

Can you specify any web sites, clubs, day game venues, etc.? Additionally, most women seem to have a sob story, are divorced with kids, and do not have the option of government enforced child support. It's hard to believe the Russian guy is as obsequious as the American. Are all of these women full of it?
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RE: Wife hunting in Russia
(02-18-2020 05:15 AM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  Not gonna argue. We're all ultimately trying to navigate our way through a strange world by sharing thoughts and ideas.

Generally: Self-improvement. Being masculine. "Being a boss". They adore a calm masculine presence. (and fretting over money is not a masculine trait)

Will leave it at that. And state that my experience with English-speaking girls have always resulted in my gut telling me "stay away". Yes, even the average-looking ones. Besides the obvious reasons (western attitudes towards m/f dynamics, travel, value in the west), it is also down to simple economics: supply/demand is not in our favour. Relatively few Russian girls speak English, and the world is full of English-speaking men. Learn Russian and it becomes the reverse: there's practically 0 western men who speak good Russian. They are simply amazed when talking to you. Roosh talked about the "god factor" many years ago by being a westerner in Eastern Europe. In 2020, this is the way to experience it.

People can take from that what they will.

(02-17-2020 12:07 PM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  Why any sane guy would want to remain in clown world instead of making the leap to Russia I don't even know

I'm fully with this point of view - to be honest I dislike life in the west, and girls aside, I adore life in Russia. A location-independent western income helps enormously, but of course its not something that everybody could realistically achieve.

I have no idea how it would be to raise kids in Russia, though.

The man who coined the term "The god factor" was Mark Ames, of the Exile magazine. He lived in Moscow in the 1990s, when there was a god factor. By the time he left Russia in 2008, he said it was long over.
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(02-21-2020 09:38 AM)bucky Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 08:13 AM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 07:55 AM)bucky Wrote:  Of course, you won't listen to my advice, as I didn't listen to the advice of guys who had been through the Russian marriage wringer before me, so best of luck.

I'm not sure where you've gotten this impression from. I'm just trying to stay in-line with the new theme of the forum (and this thread).

Marriage is 100% not (currently, at least) for me.

I plan to have kids at some point in the far future, but that's all. I've told my own GF my honest thoughts on marriage. She understands. We are, for now, enjoying the relationship. Whatever the future holds, her and I will be fine either way. If it doesn't last, then it was for the best, for both of us. Sad but life goes on.

Sorry, man. I was on my phone when I wrote that and thought I was replying to someone else. You are the guy from the UK with the very reasonable attitude towards your relationship with your Russian gf. It's good that you've been with her both in her country and the UK and noticed the shift in both of your SMVs. If you sign on the dotted line and marry her that will persist and it won't be something you can easily get out of. With my ex I'd never been with her in the US until I'd already married her, and I had no red pill knowledge or game at the time, so I didn't expect it at all. As you noted in your case, my SMV was sky high while we were in the FSU but I was a "good guy" and resisted all the offers from hordes of 7s, 8s, and 9s that I'd get. She did not return the favor when I brought her to the US and our relative SMVs reversed.

I'm not saying that will always happen. I'm aware of, I think, two American guy/Russian wife couples who seem to have what I would call a happy marriage, and two more who have a lot of problems but are still together, but that's out of dozens I've known. And interestingly, of those two happy marriages, one is an older single Mom married to an older American guy, the other is an overweight, unattractive Russian SJW married to an overweight guy. Make of that what you will, I guess.

You also have red pill knowledge, which will likely help if you do marry your girl. Still, overall, I can't recommend Russian and Ukrainian women as wife material. Based on my experience and what I've observed, they're just not worth the effort.

Can you elaborate on how American thirst and artificially increased feminine value of your wife manifested? How would the age of the bride and children affect this calculus? I've seen this very same thing with Japanese women, but EE women would be much more susceptible to this phenomenon I would envisage.
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(03-30-2020 09:41 PM)nampa1234 Wrote:  
(02-21-2020 09:38 AM)bucky Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 08:13 AM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 07:55 AM)bucky Wrote:  Of course, you won't listen to my advice, as I didn't listen to the advice of guys who had been through the Russian marriage wringer before me, so best of luck.

I'm not sure where you've gotten this impression from. I'm just trying to stay in-line with the new theme of the forum (and this thread).

Marriage is 100% not (currently, at least) for me.

I plan to have kids at some point in the far future, but that's all. I've told my own GF my honest thoughts on marriage. She understands. We are, for now, enjoying the relationship. Whatever the future holds, her and I will be fine either way. If it doesn't last, then it was for the best, for both of us. Sad but life goes on.

Sorry, man. I was on my phone when I wrote that and thought I was replying to someone else. You are the guy from the UK with the very reasonable attitude towards your relationship with your Russian gf. It's good that you've been with her both in her country and the UK and noticed the shift in both of your SMVs. If you sign on the dotted line and marry her that will persist and it won't be something you can easily get out of. With my ex I'd never been with her in the US until I'd already married her, and I had no red pill knowledge or game at the time, so I didn't expect it at all. As you noted in your case, my SMV was sky high while we were in the FSU but I was a "good guy" and resisted all the offers from hordes of 7s, 8s, and 9s that I'd get. She did not return the favor when I brought her to the US and our relative SMVs reversed.

I'm not saying that will always happen. I'm aware of, I think, two American guy/Russian wife couples who seem to have what I would call a happy marriage, and two more who have a lot of problems but are still together, but that's out of dozens I've known. And interestingly, of those two happy marriages, one is an older single Mom married to an older American guy, the other is an overweight, unattractive Russian SJW married to an overweight guy. Make of that what you will, I guess.

You also have red pill knowledge, which will likely help if you do marry your girl. Still, overall, I can't recommend Russian and Ukrainian women as wife material. Based on my experience and what I've observed, they're just not worth the effort.

Can you elaborate on how American thirst and artificially increased feminine value of your wife manifested? How would the age of the bride and children affect this calculus? I've seen this very same thing with Japanese women, but EE women would be much more susceptible to this phenomenon I would envisage.

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I`ve heard a lot of Russian girls but never met one, think it would be interesting
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