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(02-18-2020 08:13 AM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  Marriage is 100% not (currently, at least) for me.

Glad I saw this. At the moment marriage is 100% for me and my perspective has shifted a lot because of that.
02-19-2020 07:10 AM
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(02-18-2020 08:13 AM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  
(02-18-2020 07:55 AM)bucky Wrote:  Of course, you won't listen to my advice, as I didn't listen to the advice of guys who had been through the Russian marriage wringer before me, so best of luck.

I'm not sure where you've gotten this impression from. I'm just trying to stay in-line with the new theme of the forum (and this thread).

Marriage is 100% not (currently, at least) for me.

I plan to have kids at some point in the far future, but that's all. I've told my own GF my honest thoughts on marriage. She understands. We are, for now, enjoying the relationship. Whatever the future holds, her and I will be fine either way. If it doesn't last, then it was for the best, for both of us. Sad but life goes on.

Sorry, man. I was on my phone when I wrote that and thought I was replying to someone else. You are the guy from the UK with the very reasonable attitude towards your relationship with your Russian gf. It's good that you've been with her both in her country and the UK and noticed the shift in both of your SMVs. If you sign on the dotted line and marry her that will persist and it won't be something you can easily get out of. With my ex I'd never been with her in the US until I'd already married her, and I had no red pill knowledge or game at the time, so I didn't expect it at all. As you noted in your case, my SMV was sky high while we were in the FSU but I was a "good guy" and resisted all the offers from hordes of 7s, 8s, and 9s that I'd get. She did not return the favor when I brought her to the US and our relative SMVs reversed.

I'm not saying that will always happen. I'm aware of, I think, two American guy/Russian wife couples who seem to have what I would call a happy marriage, and two more who have a lot of problems but are still together, but that's out of dozens I've known. And interestingly, of those two happy marriages, one is an older single Mom married to an older American guy, the other is an overweight, unattractive Russian SJW married to an overweight guy. Make of that what you will, I guess.

You also have red pill knowledge, which will likely help if you do marry your girl. Still, overall, I can't recommend Russian and Ukrainian women as wife material. Based on my experience and what I've observed, they're just not worth the effort.

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02-21-2020 09:38 AM
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They're too much effort, relative to the entire deal, bucky? Is that your position?
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(02-21-2020 07:50 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  They're too much effort, relative to the entire deal, bucky? Is that your position?

Yes. Being married to a Russian girl felt a little like owning a wolf dog. That is, constantly probing you for weaknesses to exploit to assert dominance over you. Like I said, if I'd had red pill knowledge and game at the time, I might have been able to make it work, but it would have been exhausting. Most relationships between Russian and Ukrainian women and western guys I know details about seem like this. I'm vastly happier now with my sweet, traditional Catholic wife from south of the border.

There used to be a great site called Russian Marriage Scams or something like that, run by a Canadian guy who lived over there for years and swore he'd never marry one of the women. Unfortunately, it seems to be gone now, but there was a page called "How your marriage to a Russian or Ukrainian girl is likely to go" and I was amazed how my marriage to my ex checked almost every box. One of the concluding points he made was that a Russian woman's love is passionate but cold, not the warm and nurturing love most western guys are looking for long term. He said that if you want a foreign wife, Russian/Ukrainian is your worst option, Asian is better, Latina is best. In general I agree with this.

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Im aware of Russia having gold diggers and scammers. Im also aware of what men fall for them and I specifically created a thread to explain what qualities to look for in a girl, what type of girls to avoid. To look for girls that are humble and make you feels comfortable vs the spoiled princesses. I also recommend living in Russia for 2-4 years and learning the language. You need 1-2 years to find a compatible woman and at least 1-2 years of living with her to check the strength or the relationship. How many foreigners actually do that?
They come here hoping to find a suitable girl in a matter of months - on a mail order bride website or in a club or some marriage tour. They dont learn Russian, they often have a fantasy of some seductive Russian girl, more like Jessica rabbit, they let het get away with shit and spoil her. Then they are suprised when get screwed over.
Meanwhile it would be so much more sensible to find a girl that is like a western girl you could never have back home. Dating in Russia is the same as in the west - you have to find a compatible partner, it takes a while and you have to figure out what type of women are best for you. You have to try multiple options and vet women properly. Have to live with her for a coulpe of years in Russia and test het in different circumstances.
The only difference between Russian and the west is that the are more options here, lower standarts for men, zero competition and women dont do feminism or sjw bullshit, they dont mind marrying at a younger age, plus larger age gaps are acceptable. So more chance of finding a good woman but you ll still have to do the work. The country is not westernized, the women are not raised to love western men, they are brainwashed with anti western propaganda. Russian men are straight up aggressive towards women who date foreigners. Thats why the best Russian girls would be reluctant to approach a westerner, and require some work. The types of girls here who use mail order websites and approach foreign men in clubs are sluts that have nothing to loose.
02-22-2020 12:26 AM
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(02-21-2020 09:28 PM)bucky Wrote:  Yes. Being married to a Russian girl felt a little like owning a wolf dog. That is, constantly probing you for weaknesses to exploit to assert dominance over you. Like I said, if I'd had red pill knowledge and game at the time, I might have been able to make it work, but it would have been exhausting. Most relationships between Russian and Ukrainian women and western guys I know details about seem like this.
Are you telling me she only started to behave like this after you married her? And during your relationship she was nice and perfect? How long have you actually dated before marriage? Im pretty sure there were red flags you just chose not to notice them. I see manipulative and negative women here in Russia all the time. They reveal themselves very easily by being extremely rude to everyone. To my amazement they all have Russian husbands or boyfriends. Meanwhile really nice sweet girls here go for years without a date.

(02-21-2020 09:28 PM)bucky Wrote:  There used to be a great site called Russian Marriage Scams or something like that, run by a Canadian guy who lived over there for years and swore he'd never marry one of the women. Unfortunately, it seems to be gone now, but there was a page called "How your marriage to a Russian or Ukrainian girl is likely to go" and I was amazed how my marriage to my ex checked almost every box. One of the concluding points he made was that a Russian woman's love is passionate but cold, not the warm and nurturing love most western guys are looking for long term. He said that if you want a foreign wife, Russian/Ukrainian is your worst option, Asian is better, Latina is best. In general I agree with this.

Did this guy actually marry a latina or asian girl that he would be happy with? I cant imagive a Canadian guy living in Russia and hating local women for years. If I did not have a great experience here in my first year I would have left. As for latinas, to my knowledge the divorce rate between latinas and white men in USA is 40%. So theres millions of latino women out there screwing and divorcing American white men yet I dont see any men shaming latinas as a group because they are an integral part of the USA and it would be considered discrimination. Ive lived in US in 2011 and Ive met plenty of mexican girls (both immigrans and AMerican born) who were bat shit crazy and manipulative like hell. Every truly attractive latina had a hundred guys thirsting over her. She would have the meanest attitude and literally milk guys for money.

In general I think different men are compatible with different cultures. I could never live with a spanish speaking woman but you have a good chemistry with them so good for you. Also many asian and south american countries are westernized. That means local women are not shamed for dating gringos. So its easier to find someone, less effort and cultures are more similiar. Not to mention that both South America and Asia are regions where American men can live more comfortably for a longer period of time in comparison to Russia.
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RE: Wife hunting in Russia
(02-21-2020 09:28 PM)bucky Wrote:  
(02-21-2020 07:50 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  They're too much effort, relative to the entire deal, bucky? Is that your position?

Yes. Being married to a Russian girl felt a little like owning a wolf dog. That is, constantly probing you for weaknesses to exploit to assert dominance over you.

Sounds like narcissism / BPD, which is usually the prime type that wants to marry outside of their culture / race due to traumatic experiences or narcissistic greed.

Being in a place where you don't understand the culture and language at all / to the fullest extend increases the chance many fold that you will end up with one, especially if you're younger and inexperienced as they will be the ones prowling English pubs and international meetups and whatnot.
02-22-2020 02:15 AM
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(02-21-2020 09:38 AM)bucky Wrote:  Sorry, man. I was on my phone when I wrote that and thought I was replying to someone else.

No worries, I thought it was odd haha. Appreciate you sharing your experience as well. Its too easy for people to think "oh but I am different" / "my girl is different".

I know I said it's not currently for me, but this is how I'd go about finding a girl for marriage:

Overall I think everyone is too caught up in choosing based on nationality, culture, notch count, looks, etc.

Its easy to forget that the most important thing is finding somebody who click with (personality-wise) like no other. You are similar. You have common interests. Somebody who you absolutely love spending time with. Have a laugh with. You understand each other super well. You can talk for hours non stop. Something that would feel impossible to replace on both sides.

This is why I love Russia. I naturally click and have lots of common interests/traits with Russian people (men and women). It's as if I was always meant to be there, and I never felt at home in the UK. It's hard to describe. Yeah the women are hot and traditional, but that is only part of it.

Therefore, if you're choosing a woman from another country, it should be because you love and relate to them and their culture. Picking this based solely on wanting a more traditional wife is... empty.

In short... go where you're going to be most similar to the women in personality. If you don't love Russia, then don't hunt for a wife in Russia!

Secondly, it has to be meaningful. There has to be a cool story about how you met, and chemistry, so the foundations are solid from the beginning. Rather than a logical decision made via a dating app. Common social connections is a bit help too.

Yeah I know its harder to find, but if I were you, I'd go to pretty extreme lengths to ensure the person I'm spending the rest of my life with was ideal.
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Double posting, but... now I think about it, this is the reason most of my male friends are constantly having problems with women when seeking relationships / in relationships.

They are impatient, lazy (using online), select based on looks, and end up hopelessly obsessed with the ones who "game them a challenge". They don't pick people based on how well they click.
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(02-21-2020 09:28 PM)bucky Wrote:  Yes. Being married to a Russian girl felt a little like owning a wolf dog. That is, constantly probing you for weaknesses to exploit to assert dominance over you. Like I said, if I'd had red pill knowledge and game at the time, I might have been able to make it work, but it would have been exhausting. Most relationships between Russian and Ukrainian women and western guys I know details about seem like this. I'm vastly happier now with my sweet, traditional Catholic wife from south of the border.

I have dated one Russian girl in my life. I had no real desire to date one as I'd heard all the negative stereotypes, but it just happened and I was very attracted to her. We had sexual chemistry that was off the charts.

Regrettably, everything you've said here is true, and I bailed after four short months. I had such a problem getting over this girl that I detailed it on this forum. I'm pretty sure my girl had Narcissistic Personality Disorder as she has many of the characteristics...

...or perhaps ALL Russian girls simply appear to have this personality disorder because it's typically Russian behaviour.

She was very hard work. Mood swings, constantly probing for weaknesses and using them against you in the most cynical way, loved fighting (even admitting as much), silent treatment, verbal abuse.

Why did she think I'd put up with that?

When I pulled away she pleaded and begged and cried and had to be medicated. But it was too late. Could I have tamed her? Well, a great quote I heard when I was researching people who have personality disorders is this: you want a partner not a project.

Sure you can be "redpill" and "alpha" as you try to domesticate some volatile girl, but the risk of locking someone like that down for a lifetime and hoping you will keep your sanity in the process is a gamble I was not willing to take.

Was a shame because I was sincerely wanting to get serious with her, and I initially really liked her.
02-22-2020 06:42 AM
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(02-22-2020 06:42 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  
(02-21-2020 09:28 PM)bucky Wrote:  Yes. Being married to a Russian girl felt a little like owning a wolf dog. That is, constantly probing you for weaknesses to exploit to assert dominance over you. Like I said, if I'd had red pill knowledge and game at the time, I might have been able to make it work, but it would have been exhausting. Most relationships between Russian and Ukrainian women and western guys I know details about seem like this. I'm vastly happier now with my sweet, traditional Catholic wife from south of the border.

I have dated one Russian girl in my life. I had no real desire to date one as I'd heard all the negative stereotypes, but it just happened and I was very attracted to her. We had sexual chemistry that was off the charts.

Regrettably, everything you've said here is true, and I bailed after four short months. I had such a problem getting over this girl that I detailed it on this forum. I'm pretty sure my girl had Narcissistic Personality Disorder as she has many of the characteristics...

...or perhaps ALL Russian girls simply appear to have this personality disorder because it's typically Russian behaviour.

She was very hard work. Mood swings, constantly probing for weaknesses and using them against you in the most cynical way, loved fighting (even admitting as much), silent treatment, verbal abuse.

Why did she think I'd put up with that?

When I pulled away she pleaded and begged and cried and had to be medicated. But it was too late. Could I have tamed her? Well, a great quote I heard when I was researching people who have personality disorders is this: you want a partner not a project.

Sure you can be "redpill" and "alpha" as you try to domesticate some volatile girl, but the risk of locking someone like that down for a lifetime and hoping you will keep your sanity in the process is a gamble I was not willing to take.

Was a shame because I was sincerely wanting to get serious with her, and I initially really liked her.

I've quoted the entire post because it bears repeating.

I had exactly the same experience. She was constantly probing me for weakness. It was just exhausting. I don't know how you can keep a grip on these women without resorting to the belt (disclaimer: not endorsing this). You really can never let your guard down.

Then when I cut her off suddenly, she's frantic.

It really was a project and not a relationship. But darn she was physically attractive.
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(02-22-2020 08:46 AM)Feyoder Wrote:  Then when I cut her off suddenly, she's frantic.

Yep, when I cut her off she went ballistic.

"Call me, I promise to be nice!"

Then: "Pick up the fucking phone!"

She even had her friends contact me giving me shit.

Healthy people walk away from bad relationships. You did the right thing.
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(02-22-2020 08:46 AM)Feyoder Wrote:  
(02-22-2020 06:42 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  
(02-21-2020 09:28 PM)bucky Wrote:  Yes. Being married to a Russian girl felt a little like owning a wolf dog. That is, constantly probing you for weaknesses to exploit to assert dominance over you. Like I said, if I'd had red pill knowledge and game at the time, I might have been able to make it work, but it would have been exhausting. Most relationships between Russian and Ukrainian women and western guys I know details about seem like this. I'm vastly happier now with my sweet, traditional Catholic wife from south of the border.

I have dated one Russian girl in my life. I had no real desire to date one as I'd heard all the negative stereotypes, but it just happened and I was very attracted to her. We had sexual chemistry that was off the charts.

Regrettably, everything you've said here is true, and I bailed after four short months. I had such a problem getting over this girl that I detailed it on this forum. I'm pretty sure my girl had Narcissistic Personality Disorder as she has many of the characteristics...

...or perhaps ALL Russian girls simply appear to have this personality disorder because it's typically Russian behaviour.

She was very hard work. Mood swings, constantly probing for weaknesses and using them against you in the most cynical way, loved fighting (even admitting as much), silent treatment, verbal abuse.

Why did she think I'd put up with that?

When I pulled away she pleaded and begged and cried and had to be medicated. But it was too late. Could I have tamed her? Well, a great quote I heard when I was researching people who have personality disorders is this: you want a partner not a project.

Sure you can be "redpill" and "alpha" as you try to domesticate some volatile girl, but the risk of locking someone like that down for a lifetime and hoping you will keep your sanity in the process is a gamble I was not willing to take.

Was a shame because I was sincerely wanting to get serious with her, and I initially really liked her.

I've quoted the entire post because it bears repeating.

I had exactly the same experience. She was constantly probing me for weakness. It was just exhausting. I don't know how you can keep a grip on these women without resorting to the belt (disclaimer: not endorsing this). You really can never let your guard down.

Then when I cut her off suddenly, she's frantic.

It really was a project and not a relationship. But darn she was physically attractive.

I smiled at that last part. Yeah, you can't really beat Russians and Ukrainians in the looks department, or femininity. I remember my first year in the FSU almost 20 years ago when I still didn't speak Russian well and didn't even think I'd figured out the culture, how often I'd end up surrounded by a little flock of late teens/early twenties cuties vying for my attention, how intoxicating it was compared to dealing with women back home. That's why when I see guys still singing the praises of these women I get it, I remember how I felt back then. If this forum were still about playing the field I'd say that I definitely recommend dating a few Russian/Ukrainian girls for the experience, just don't get married.

Robert (OP) asked how long I'd been with my ex before we got married. I was with her for three years, and yes I saw many red flags, I just had no red pill knowledge and was intoxicated with her looks and the great sex so I didn't recognize them as such. I suppose most red pill guys would recognize these red flags, as you and griffinmil did. "You want a partner, not a project" is a great way to put it.

Robert mentioned a high divorce rate between Anglo guys and Latinas, and that might be true. He quoted 40%, which still seems like better odds than what I've seen between Anglo guys and eastern Slavic women. There are certainly Latinas out there who are every bit as poor wife material as the worst Russian golddigger though. We used to call them "arañas" (spiders) when I lived in Central America. I just think you have a much better chance of finding what most western guys are looking for with Latinas. I can get into that in more detail later if anyone is interested.

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(02-22-2020 09:54 AM)bucky Wrote:  Robert (OP) asked how long I'd been with my ex before we got married. I was with her for three years, and yes I saw many red flags, I just had no red pill knowledge and was intoxicated with her looks and the great sex so I didn't recognize them as such. I suppose most red pill guys would recognize these red flags, as you and griffinmil did. "You want a partner, not a project" is a great way to put it.

Don't beat yourself up about staying in the relationship for longer than you should have. It's a mistake easily made because, as you say, their beauty and femininity and the way they are in bed is totally intoxicating. Even when I was put through the ringer with my ex and I walked away from her, I still tried to keep one toe in the relationship "just in case". Meaning I had cut things off physically, but mentally I was still "ah give her another chance!" etc.

All that glitters ain't gold.

Never forget that.
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If you think a Slavic girl is for you, try an city here in the US with a large population of them first. It's not always going to be LA or NYC either. For example, Sedalia, Missouri is 15% Russian speaking now. I hope you don't mind that they're all Pentecostal.
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(02-23-2020 01:08 AM)Garuda Wrote:  If you think a Slavic girl is for you, try an city here in the US with a large population of them first. It's not always going to be LA or NYC either. For example, Sedalia, Missouri is 15% Russian speaking now. I hope you don't mind that they're all Pentecostal.

Seems like almost everywhere in the US if I hear a white person speaking something other than English, it's almost always Russian.

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(02-23-2020 01:08 AM)Garuda Wrote:  If you think a Slavic girl is for you, try an city here in the US with a large population of them first. It's not always going to be LA or NYC either. For example, Sedalia, Missouri is 15% Russian speaking now. I hope you don't mind that they're all Pentecostal.

the probably have nothing in common with real Russians in RUssia. Oh and by the way people from all FSU cocuntries differ between themselves just as much as western euroeans. The Ukrainians and Russians, for example, have barely antything in common. Theres nothing in common between women from lets say, Armenia and Estonia. I can only give tips on how to have a successfull relationship in provincial Russia outside Moscow and St Petersburg. Other FSU countries are a completely different breed of being
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(02-23-2020 05:58 AM)RobertBryce Wrote:  
(02-23-2020 01:08 AM)Garuda Wrote:  If you think a Slavic girl is for you, try an city here in the US with a large population of them first. It's not always going to be LA or NYC either. For example, Sedalia, Missouri is 15% Russian speaking now. I hope you don't mind that they're all Pentecostal.

the probably have nothing in common with real Russians in RUssia. Oh and by the way people from all FSU cocuntries differ between themselves just as much as western euroeans. The Ukrainians and Russians, for example, have barely antything in common. Theres nothing in common between women from lets say, Armenia and Estonia. I can only give tips on how to have a successfull relationship in provincial Russia outside Moscow and St Petersburg. Other FSU countries are a completely different breed of being

What specific differences do you see between Ukrainians and Russians? When I lived in Ukraine I was in the eastern part and rarely heard Ukrainian spoken (it was rare enough that if I heard it I'd turn my head and think "hey, there's someone speaking Ukrainian") and everyone referred to themselves and the area as Russian and Russia ("Russian girls are beautiful, aren't they?" or "Hope you can stand the Russian winter).

This was before the annexation of Crimea and all the current problems that ensued, so maybe this has changed a bit. I do notice Ukrainians I know making an effort to write in Ukrainian rather than Russian on social media now, for example. Still, I think of Ukrainians and Russians as being about as different as Central Americans and Mexicans or Americans of Anglo-Saxon origin and the British. That is, some small cultural differences, but most of the difference is in their minds.

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(02-23-2020 05:58 AM)RobertBryce Wrote:  
(02-23-2020 01:08 AM)Garuda Wrote:  If you think a Slavic girl is for you, try an city here in the US with a large population of them first. It's not always going to be LA or NYC either. For example, Sedalia, Missouri is 15% Russian speaking now. I hope you don't mind that they're all Pentecostal.

the probably have nothing in common with real Russians in RUssia. Oh and by the way people from all FSU cocuntries differ between themselves just as much as western euroeans. The Ukrainians and Russians, for example, have barely antything in common. Theres nothing in common between women from lets say, Armenia and Estonia. I can only give tips on how to have a successfull relationship in provincial Russia outside Moscow and St Petersburg. Other FSU countries are a completely different breed of being

Thanks for your perspective on Russian women in Russia. So, how would you expect their behavior to change after living in USA for an extended period of time? Would the climate and culture of USA inflame their issues?
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RE: Wife hunting in Russia
What are your thoughts on interdenominational marriage?

I find myself drawn to Russian women, but I am not Eastern Orthodox. My background is Protestant. When I was talking to a beautiful Russian girl by text the other day, she told me in Russian "Lutherans are not Christian."

This presents some challenges for me if I am interested in a Russian wife. One approach I could take is to seriously consider becoming Orthodox. However, it would be hard to make that jump if I don't sincerely believe it. Alternatively I could try to convert her to Protestant Christianity; I have been told that this is usually not a good approach either. Or we could get married but attend different churches when married. It seems like it would be hard to raise children when the mom and dad attend different churches and have a different belief system. Or I could try to find some type of middle ground, and not wear a denomination on my sleeve, and avoid publicly committing to certain beliefs, so as to minimize contention and appear adaptable. I am somewhat ambivalent about what to do.

I was in a Lutheran church today and I noticed a lot of women who were wearing pants and had their hair bobbed short. I doubt I would find someone suitable there. I'm not ever going to find someone who agrees with me on everything, so is it compromising too much to pursue a Russian Orthodox woman?

In my personal opinion, beauty is a very important characteristic when seeking a wife; I don't want to marry a woman of great personality/character and mediocre beauty and then find myself tempted to pursue some other woman after I'm married to her. I would be doing her a disservice. If I am only allowed to have one woman, I might as well try to hit a homerun instead of settling for someone of average beauty.
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Long run, interdenominational marriage not worth it. Your kids will use it to try to manipulate you against each other, and if you don't let them get away with it, it still prevents you from getting your kids settled firmly into one denomination or another, so they don't have a strong tribal identity. It is almost like the consequences of interracial marriage.

If you are her alpha, she will convert to your faith, whatever your faith. If she won't, and you aren't willing to convert to hers, then strongly recommend moving on no matter how beautiful she is or how good the sex is.

As for the Lutheran women with bob hair and pants, if she is to be your wife she'll change those things for you. Deep in their souls women know they are more beautiful with long hair; it won't be hard to tell her you expect her to grow her hair out if you marry her. Female vanity works in your favor here; use it! If a simple thing like that is a no go, then imagine the trouble you are saving yourself.

I speak from extensive first and second hand experience.

As for the "only allowed to have one", there are branches of Christianity and the other Abrahamic faiths that stick to the original Biblical plan of marriage. And that plan definitely allows more than one, without shame, remorse, or secrecy. Monogamy came in through Rome via Babylon, and adds an extra burden to people, making them more likely to sin.
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(02-23-2020 03:50 PM)Dilated Wrote:  
(02-23-2020 05:58 AM)RobertBryce Wrote:  
(02-23-2020 01:08 AM)Garuda Wrote:  If you think a Slavic girl is for you, try an city here in the US with a large population of them first. It's not always going to be LA or NYC either. For example, Sedalia, Missouri is 15% Russian speaking now. I hope you don't mind that they're all Pentecostal.

the probably have nothing in common with real Russians in RUssia. Oh and by the way people from all FSU cocuntries differ between themselves just as much as western euroeans. The Ukrainians and Russians, for example, have barely antything in common. Theres nothing in common between women from lets say, Armenia and Estonia. I can only give tips on how to have a successfull relationship in provincial Russia outside Moscow and St Petersburg. Other FSU countries are a completely different breed of being

Thanks for your perspective on Russian women in Russia. So, how would you expect their behavior to change after living in USA for an extended period of time? Would the climate and culture of USA inflame their issues?

I've noticed that a significant minority of Russian/FSU women become raging SJWs after arriving in the US. Usually they're among the younger ones. Other than that, obviously they're already here so not they're not looking for a visa or green card.

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RE: Wife hunting in Russia
In my family's American history, whenever there was a interdenominational marriage, the groom converted to the bride's sect. I'm not sure how widespread that solution is though.

To add to what Bucky said, you have to remember that living in modern America is sulfuric acid for tradition. One shouldn't expect a foreign woman already here to be fully traditional or to retain it all if she's brought over here if she doesn't put considerable effort into preserving it.

This discussion reminded me of another thread.
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74224.html

I'll end on another note about what I posted earlier. The number of Russian speaking Pentecostals in the US is bound to grow exponentially. Since the church is being shut down in Russia and the parts of Ukraine it controls, followers qualify for refugee resettlement programs.
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Quote:Long run, interdenominational marriage not worth it. Your kids will use it to try to manipulate you against each other, and if you don't let them get away with it, it still prevents you from getting your kids settled firmly into one denomination or another, so they don't have a strong tribal identity. It is almost like the consequences of interracial marriage.

If you are her alpha, she will convert to your faith, whatever your faith. If she won't, and you aren't willing to convert to hers, then strongly recommend moving on no matter how beautiful she is or how good the sex is.

Truth. As far as the successful international marriages I've seen, the woman converts if she loves the man. Assimilating to the man's frame is something she will do. Keep in mind we're not talking about men that are "90 Day Fiancee" Simps.
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(02-23-2020 11:12 AM)bucky Wrote:  What specific differences do you see between Ukrainians and Russians? When I lived in Ukraine I was in the eastern part and rarely heard Ukrainian spoken (it was rare enough that if I heard it I'd turn my head and think "hey, there's someone speaking Ukrainian") and everyone referred to themselves and the area as Russian and Russia ("Russian girls are beautiful, aren't they?" or "Hope you can stand the Russian winter).

This was before the annexation of Crimea and all the current problems that ensued, so maybe this has changed a bit. I do notice Ukrainians I know making an effort to write in Ukrainian rather than Russian on social media now, for example. Still, I think of Ukrainians and Russians as being about as different as Central Americans and Mexicans or Americans of Anglo-Saxon origin and the British. That is, some small cultural differences, but most of the difference is in their minds.


so you ve had a woman from Ukraine or Russia? Have you actually visited Russia itself? No see these countries have always been very different incl their attitude towards westerners. Ukraine has always strived to become an ally of the west. Ukrainians, men and women alike have been raised to love the west since USSR collapsed, and Ukrainian women especially think they deserve the best, they are so special etc. They believe that they have been robbed by Russia of a chance to be European, so many women will get to the west by any means incl using a western guy as a ticket.
Im not saying that a Russian woman would never do this. It depends. But Russian women for the last 30 years have been raised in some kind of semi-Soviet enviroment. They are raised to be loyal to their men and despise westerners. They are also often shamed by their men for wanting to marry up, told to be humble and accept what they can get without wanting too much. The top notch beauties in the Russian province have good chances of finding a non abusive Russian guy, so they ll mostly stick to their own men. Attractive women who don’t wear full make up and sexy clothes all the time are perceived as nerdy “too smart”, “too hard to get” and are often overlooked by Russian men. They are the ones who would do anything for a decent western boyfriend. And if they are a bit older and already graduated/working they ll be able to pay for their own shit.
Russia and Ukraine are very different and will become even more different in the years to come. They are also treated differently, Ukraine is treated like an ally by the west and Ukrainian girls have an easier time coming to the west and finding a man so their expectations will be higher. Russians are often treated like enemies and discriminated. Here in Russia I met all kinds of women who wanted to date me but very few are willing to move to Germany. Even my girlfriend took a long time convincing. If a westerner has had a bad experience with a Ukrainian woman he should say so not blame it on the Russian girls. I don’t see why girls from Siberia should be shamed and blamed by someone who had a negative experience in Lviv or Odessa. I bet American men don’t want to be judged by the degenerate behavior of some Brits who have stag parties in Eastern Europe. Just because two countries speak the same language doesn’t mean they are the same.
As time goes on more Ukrainian girls will move to the West and some will fuck up local men on their quest to Western citizenship. I don’t want all their bullshit to be blamed on Russian girls. If a Ukrainian girl wins an Olympic gold medal it isn’t credited to Russia. Their failures should also not be blamed on Russian women who for the most part don’t have a chance to move to the west, live there and date like a normal person (and show what they are made of). And yeah…. Those jewish girls who grew up on Brighton beach (whos parents immigrated to the US in the 90s from Ukraine) have even less in common with Russian women from Russia.
And once again Ill say that there are manipulative women here who use their intoxicating beauty and charm to have their foreign boyfriends run around in circles for them and spend all the money on them… Anyone who dates Russian girls should watch out for red flags and set clear boundaries from the beginning of the relationship. Its better to date a down to earth somewhat westernized chick that doesn’t try to take advantage of you than date a so called exotic Russian princess of your dreams, a drop dead gorgeous woman who could play the man like a fiddle.
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