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Do go feel that globalists will ramp up globohomo in Russia?

Russian movies generally seem to be extreme demotivation and blackpilling so russians don't fight against globalist exploiters and subverters.

Globohomo movies like Birds of Prey are also in cinemas.

To me Russia seems like a bad deal aside from "white" women (I see the slavic mentality as very different from the European one) for men who are willing and able to play stoic alpha.

Jobs low paying and hard to get, every guy a depressed alcoholic and hypermasculine out of insecurity just like rapefugees because they have nothing else to offer (I have yet to meet a Russian guy abroad who wasn't deeply insecure), women hypergamous to the max and every 8 to 10 gets scooped up by the merchants for their slave trade in Moscow and abroad.

Costs of living really expensive in globalist hubs like Moscow and SPB which normal jobs don't really pay for and the value for money is generally pretty low.
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(02-12-2020 07:07 AM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  Do go feel that globalists will ramp up globohomo in Russia?

Russian movies generally seem to be extreme demotivation and blackpilling so russians don't fight against globalist exploiters and subverters.

Globohomo movies like Birds of Prey are also in cinemas.

To me Russia seems like a bad deal aside from "white" women (I see the slavic mentality as very different from the European one) for men who are willing and able to play stoic alpha.

Jobs low paying and hard to get, every guy a depressed alcoholic and hypermasculine out of insecurity just like rapefugees because they have nothing else to offer (I have yet to meet a Russian guy abroad who wasn't deeply insecure), women hypergamous to the max and every 8 to 10 gets scooped up by the merchants for their slave trade in Moscow and abroad.

Costs of living really expensive in globalist hubs like Moscow and SPB which normal jobs don't really pay for and the value for money is generally pretty low.

It's not easy to recover from almost 75 years of Communism. Unfortunately, that really retarded the development of Slaivic countries relative to their W.euro counterparts, but ironically shilded them from the Self-hating globohomo of today... I don't believe they'll be infected with GloboHomo as long as they have a leader like Putin willing to go against the Homosexual agenda.
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(02-11-2020 08:41 PM)PixelFree Wrote:  
(02-11-2020 09:26 AM)Augustus_Principe Wrote:  Thanks for the write up RobertBryce, much appreciated.

Yes, thank you... very helpful and appreciated RB.

Can you take a guess at any other jobs that might pay more and also be good for meeting fun, new people?

For example, I thought of a Digital Marketing agency. Seem to be female heavy for a Technology related company.

OR - do you think it would be possible to work part time as an English teacher (after hours) whilst working a higher paid job during the day or even part time?

Plenty of foreigners do advertising for Russian companies, develop marketing strategies to put Russian goods on the international market, translate Russian websites into English with a limited knowledge of Russian. It’s a great job to have but I would honestly suggest finding any decent job that allows you to comfortably exist in a first tier Russian city for about a year just to test the waters. Like I already mentioned in this thread some forum members might work online on IT projects while teaching English part time. Software development companies in Russia hire foreigners and pay well. Its not so much about teaching, more so about meeting and befriending cool women who are not money-oriented, cultured and don’t mind dating a westerner. You can meet them through social connections, by attending speaking clubs and events organized by the English language schools etc. Using Italki or just tandempartner or just attending foreign language classes might be a good idea.
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Once you get a job here definitely befriend your coworkers, participate in the local corporative culture. See many Russian women would love to meet you and strike a conversation with you even online or in the middle of the street, but like I said Russian men are obsessed with xenophobia and slut shaming. A girl who openly and unapologetically tries to find a foreign boyfriend will be ridiculed and harassed to the point of physical threats. That’s why you re gonna have to enter the spaces that have an abundance of good women to connect with them in a low key atmosphere. Knowledge of Russian is a must to come to the country and survive there but if you wanna date local girls I suggest only focus on those who speak good English. There are more of them in the first tier cities that’s why those cities are probably better for inexperienced foreigners.
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Another thing you can do is attend a summer school or a course organized by a Russian University. The girls here with whom I had the best connection were linguists, historians, teachers – those who studied humanities. In America a degree in humanities is useless filled with liberal garbage. In Russia women who work as teachers, translators, work in museums or libraries are usually westernized in a reasonable way and not materialistic, have some knowledge about the world around them and don’t want to be stuck in the realities of Russia with some hardcore alpha male. They can appreciate a western guy for who he is and happily exist in western society while still maintaining traditional Russian values. I would honestly stay away from the poorest trashy working class girls as well as money hungry upper class supermodels. Instead focus on the middle class or educated working class girls. They are what American women used to be in the 1950s-1060s.
02-12-2020 09:09 AM
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(02-12-2020 07:07 AM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  Do go feel that globalists will ramp up globohomo in Russia?

Russian movies generally seem to be extreme demotivation and blackpilling so russians don't fight against globalist exploiters and subverters.

Globohomo movies like Birds of Prey are also in cinemas.

there is no globohomo agenda here like in the west. You wont see degenerate teachers brainwashing kids with gay indocrination here. Some popular western movies get imported and? the tolerance for homosexuality here is significantly lower then in Europe SEA or South America.

(02-12-2020 07:07 AM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  To me Russia seems like a bad deal aside from "white" women (I see the slavic mentality as very different from the European one)]for men who are willing and able to play stoic alpha.

Isnt that the whole point of finding a foreign bride? someone different from the western liberal feminazis? Russian women who want some crazy alpha are either poor uneducated trashy girls or glamorous bithces. humble sweet University girls just want a normal non abusive guy who will treat them like a human being.

(02-12-2020 07:07 AM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  Jobs low paying and hard to get, every guy a depressed alcoholic and hypermasculine out of insecurity just like rapefugees because they have nothing else to offer (I have yet to meet a Russian guy abroad who wasn't deeply insecure), women hypergamous to the max and every 8 to 10 gets scooped up by the merchants for their slave trade in Moscow and abroad.

there are well paid jobs for westerners in the IT sector. the bigger and wealthier a city here is the bigger the salaries the higher are the living costs. Big first tier city means you can make more money but will have to spend more. There will be more open minded English speaking girls, but also more golddiggers so gotta be carefull. Small second tier city means smaller salary lower cost of living, nicer better women but few speak English so it would be neccessary to learn Russian and somewhat integrate into the culture.

(02-12-2020 07:07 AM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  Costs of living really expensive in globalist hubs like Moscow and SPB which normal jobs don't really pay for and the value for money is generally pretty low.

globalist hubs? You can find a handful of alternative looking women with piercing and tatoos in St Pete. In Moscow even less. Women in the provinces are as far from the globalist western degeneracy as can be.

If none of that is good enough for you there are more westernized central european countries: Estonia, Poland, Czech Republic, Croatia. Better living standard, but women are less attractive and closer to their American brethen. You decide whats best for you but I see no excuse for a westerner (who wants a decent white girl) not to try living in Eastern Europe at least once.
02-12-2020 09:25 AM
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Do you find Russian women in general to be either boring or overly prissy (excessively proper, fussy, over sensitive, prudish)?
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(02-10-2020 04:44 PM)911 Wrote:  I think I see where the OP is going here, it's more the notion that some women on the vane side tend to be overrated and get too much attention, while the "diamond in the rough" types tend to be overlooked.

Possibly because of this, or possible for other reasons, in my experience the "Becky" types (average to above average) are way worse (in every way) than the "Stacy" types (the 8+). Less pleasant to deal with, more entitled, suffer from major Dunning-Kreuger effect, etc. Yes, obviously I'm not talking about all of them, but speaking in generalities there's something rotten about that almost-but-not-quite-so-coping-and-overcompensating range. Same idea as the mid-wit.
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There is some valuable info from OP here. I appreciate the account but...

(02-08-2020 07:09 PM)Going strong Wrote:  Valuable info, OP has indeed written some truthful data in his 3 first posts, above.

I might nonetheless highlight a few details that I disagree with:

1- "Russian men don't pay attention to women in the 6-8 range". False, of course. Women of 7 and 8 value (on a scale of 10) find tons of suitors in Russia, like everywhere in the known universe.

Only difference is that Russian men are say 30% less "thirsty" and deprieved of sex than Westerners. But still, of course they will court 7- and 8-grade women, actively.

2- "good thing if the Russian woman uses no makeup". I disagree. Only pot-smoking degenerate Russian women from low-level neighbourhoods would not apply any makeup. OP should have said, "good point if the Russian woman applies moderate makeup, and wears reasonable false nails".

3- sharing costs on the first date with a Russian chick, if she gets her wallet out. I wouldn't even do that to a Czech chick. You split the bill only if the chick is like, German (but then why would you be having dinner with a German woman, unless it's Angela and you sell pipelines).

But those are details, all in all, OP's advices seem sound and interesting.

Agree with these points. Pushing western values on Russian women in order to snag an average girl that even Russian guys don't want isn't my style personally. Splitting hairs over paying bills, especially as a westerner, seems... weak. Her meal and drink probably cost $8. It's not at all attractive. It's like your friend complaining he can't come for drinks because he can't afford 2 beers, but 5x worse from a girls POV.

It doesn't make her a gold digger if she expects to merely be paid for. It's just how things work in Russia. If she wants you to buy her handbags and shit then we can draw the line there.

My advice to guys here is to "be a boss": have a good mind, lead, maintain a sturdy frame, never fret or talk about anything to do with money, always pay for her. Do what you enjoy doing and bring her along for the ride. You don't have to take her to fancy places etc. Even a shared $3 tea in a cafe is fine. Speaking Russian multiplies attraction and opportunity by an enormous amount. But it's no easy feat.

P.s. I have spent much time in various cities in Russia, have a gf in a 2nd tier city, and speak intermediate Russian.
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The way I view the money thing in Russia and the way things work there are... you'll need to be the 1950's man and (if she likes you) she'll be a 1950's housewife (as much as is possible in 2020). This is especially when it comes to paying for (inexpensive) dinner dates, leading and deciding where to go 100% of the time, opening doors, taking off/on coats, carrying luggage, paying for taxis and when in a relationship taking out the trash.

In my previous relationship, my Russian ex (without me asking for any of this) washed my clothes, folded them and put them away, made dinner, repaired clothes, gave me massages, did many little thoughtful things like getting me a drink of water or booking us into a couples massage (which she paid for) and I know would have been the most amazing Mum doing 80%+ of the grudge work (nappies, etc), etc...

It's unusual and takes getting used to as a Westerner, but it's a good deal - take it!

Obviously there are sensible limits and scammers to avoid but that's the general mentality that'll help.

Just to put things in perspective, in Russia when a single girl goes out with her female friend and her boyfriend (e.g. a couple) sometimes the boyfriend will pay for all three.
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Paying for people's company is an easy way to acquire parasites, leeches and predators so you better be sure about the woman's character and guard your personal information.

Study physiognomy based on pictures of predatory and evil women, learn about cluster b personality disorders etc.

I generally do not recommend putting yourself into a beta bucks frame anywhere in the world (alpha bucks rarely exists and I doubt many if any fit that frame on here).

Organizing events that fit your interests and assuming the lead role while paying for the venue or working out some deal to break even and then selecting from there (preferably after multiple events, social media analyzation etc.) is a much better idea as that absolves you from individual expectations towards you.

Call me overly paranoid but women with serious personality disorders can wreck your life if they know where you live, where you commonly go, who you associate with, where you work etc. unless they think you have gangster connections that will murder her.
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You guys here talk about how to impress some superficially “hot” Russian girls more in line with the way this board used to be – you re talking about gaming hotties basically. How Russian women positively respond to an alpha guy with a steel frame that always pays. Im not saying you can never attract a good girl this way. But an inexperienced guy with little knowledge of Russian language, its culture and women will be able to attract all kinds of manipulative sluts who will make him believe they are a feminine submissive girl while extracting money from him. And then you will be greatly disappointed later when you ve brought her to your home country and she refuses to work, to learn your language, to adjust to your ways and traditions, to get a job and pay some of the bills. Not only that she might even behave like Anfisa from 90 day fiancé and demand all kinds of gifts, luxuries etc. Try keeping up with that!
If you re all rich and can afford a housewife good for you, but that’s not true for many western guys who don’t own property (even in their 30s) and still haven’t paid off college debt. I am a below average looking guy in my early 40s with very a very modest income. I was able to attract 6-8 beauty level girls who gave me home cooked meals on our early first dates and perfectly fulfilled their housekeeping duties after moving in with me. Not to mention they paid their share on dates and contributed to paying the rent/utility bills while living with me. Obviously I still was the main provider, paid for 60% of our common expenses with most girls but they had to pull the weight as well. Im not catering to freeloaders. I wanted a woman who can make sacrifices for a successful marriage and put me first and I found one. I can compromise on looks and age in a girlfriend, but wont compromise on behavior. Maybe she is an “average girl that Russian men don’t want” but Russian men have poor judgement anyways. When frustrated westerners go to Thailand, Mexico and Philippines they bring home very basic looking girls with the background in prostitution and poverty. Whats wrong with a Slavic 7 (a 9 by western standards) who is a professional translator, helps me cover some of our living costs but also submits and follows my lead? Yes she does have a certain level of financial independence. But in the end Im the one calling the shots and that’s how it should be.
You guys can date 9s and 10s in Russia, take them out, spoil them with gifts. Just don’t end up like some of these foreigners who were played by Russian women, like the forum member Solitaire who himself admitted that he “watched my sweet Russian wife change into a crazed, consuming, materialistic maniac.”
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Different tactics work for different men, but Im just sharing with you my six years of experience living here, watching the country change, watching women change their behavioral patterns. Im telling you some fool proof ways to attract, vet and maintain a decent marriage worthy woman, you decide for yourself. I am convinced that the woman should put her man first, adjust herself to him and his needs. He shouldn’t try to be some hard core alpha. He should just surround himself with modest, decent, good looking young women, treat them with respect and make it known from the very beginning that hes looking for smth serious. That should be more than enough for a good Russian girl to consider him a good catch and literally do everything to win that man over. If you are clean and polite, pay for the first date, be respectful to her that should be enough. No need to try and somehow game these girls. They should be gaming you. You are the prize, not them, remember that. Also keep in mind that Russia as a country has changed drastically since 2014. Russian men have caught on to the fact that western men rarely pay on dates and now Russian men demand that their girls split the bill otherwise they will be replaced. Mind you Russian men still expect their girls to be submissive, feminine and beautiful at the same time. The young dudes who are in their early 20s behave like that and treat their women like that. They want to avoid potential gold diggers.
I was able to stand out amongst these guys due to the fact that I never sneer at the girl like a Russian man would, always show them respect and appreciation, never make fun of them, never cuss them out. I also pick the naturally beautiful girls over the glamorous attention seeking models and friendzone them a bit, get to know them better before moving the relationship to the next level. But you guys do your thing, I only wish you the best of luck with whatever approach you use.
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Another bit of knowledge that I would like to share. If you are getting serious with a girl and plan on moving in together, you have to check her values and views on politics, religion, history etc. She should be on the same page with you regarding most things or she could choose to be neutral, not to have an opinion. But you should both agree on your basic values if you plan on raising children together. Its one of the reasons why I recommend to stick to educated English speaking girls from middle class families. There are usually the most compatible ones with western men. Make sure your girl loves her homeland but is not some crazy Putin and USSR loving patriot. She needs to understand the value of western democracy and also hopefully be on the conservative side of things (not support feminism, lgbt agenda etc). I don’t trust girls who are radical white nationalists but your Russian girlfriend needs to love and value her European heritage, not agree with the radical liberal bullshit. She should be okay with moving to the west but not someone who hates Russia and cant wait to get to America (that’s a red flag right there). A right wing or centrist girl with moderate views, who loves Russia but is able to criticize it and doesnt miss the USSR should be an ideal option.
A good way to test your girl is by saying that you don’t celebrate victory day for instance. I personally think that the Soviet army did not liberate Eastern Europe form the Nazis and while I have no problem with this holiday in Russia, it will obviously never be celebrated in Germany or Eastern Europe since we shouldn’t celebrate Soviet occupation. Your girl should be okay with that just like my girl agreed that we don’t do communist holidays in this house (no V-day, no International womens day, no Red army day etc.). I care less about my personal feelings in this case and more about her ability to adapt to the realities of living in the west. I want her to be accepted so she has to change her ways.
She also shouldn’t be extremely religious. I would not recommend to specifically look for girls in churches or on Christian dating sites. As Ive mentioned on another thread before, the Russian Orthodox church has been greatly damaged by the communists and is now being used by the Russian government as a propaganda tool. Many religious Russians are brainwashed, unpleasant individuals, incapable of agreeing with another mans opinion, proclaiming everyone around them a sinner if they are not Orthodox Christian. Your girl should be okay with you baptizing your kids in your country`s church and going there when you relocate. She should be tolerant and accepting towards your culture and traditions, willing to celebrate American Christmas, learn to cook American dishes and do it all with little encouragement from you just to please you. All of that is more important than her being a super devout Christian. No don’t get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with looking for a religious virgin but Russia is just not a great place for that. Id recommend Armenia, Georgia, Serbia, Croatia or even some evangelical communities in USA as a better option for that.
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The best wife material girl you can find in Russia should not be some pseudo traditional Barbie doll that wants you to pay for everything. It should rather be a highly improved version of a western girl. Equally smart and hard working but must put family above career. Not a pushover but able to follow your leadership. Pretty but not obsessed with her looks and artificial beauty enhancements. God loving but not a religious prude. A more right leaning supporter of democratic values but not a liberal cunt. Hopefully you can find a decent girl to be your wife and the mother of your kids. I only shared with you the stuff that is rarely talked about when people discuss dating EE women and hopefully Ive helped prevent someone from making terrible mistakes and get with the wrong girl.
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(02-17-2020 07:31 AM)RobertBryce Wrote:  You guys can date 9s and 10s in Russia, take them out, spoil them with gifts. Just don’t end up like some of these foreigners who were played by Russian women, like the forum member Solitaire who himself admitted that he “watched my sweet Russian wife change into a crazed, consuming, materialistic maniac.”

Hey, I'm not Solitaire but that sounds like what happened to me, even though I speak Russian and thought I understood the culture (I did not). What a nightmare.

I just straight up don't recommend marrying Russian and Ukrainian girls. If you must get involved with them, I agree with your advice about not going for the 9+ barbie dolls, but even those sweet little 7s can turn into quite the unmanageable princesses once you sign on the doted line and bring them back to the US. I've know lots of US guy-Russian/Ukrainian girl married couples and very few of them work out and are happy together. As another guy with experience in the FSU once put it, if you are even 10% a decent person, you have no chance against these women. They are experts at playing the long game to get what they want out of you. The vast majority are only good for short-term fun and since we're not into that on this forum anymore, just stay away.

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(02-17-2020 09:58 AM)bucky Wrote:  another guy with experience in the FSU once put it, if you are even 10% a decent person, you have no chance against these women.

Sounds like borderline personality disorder / narcissistic personality disorder.

These are the first ones that want out. Why any sane guy would want to remain in clown world instead of making the leap to Russia I don't even know and such a person surely has more of a slave mentality that Russian women do not respect in guys.
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It seems like the best thing is that you would find an orthodox one, and you would also be orthodox. This may take time, but it's the truth and also will give you the best chance with said woman. Who'd a thunk that the hottest women in the world actually inherited the fullness of the truth about God in their tradition, even though many have forgotten it or the communists stamped much of it out? Still, you can do it.
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OP don't get me wrong: it makes sense to search for a good women, who doesn't have to be so high on the looks scale. But the points that other people and I mentioned still apply regardless of where she is on the scale. Particularly the one about paying. Not paying can only hurt your chances IMO.

These girls want a man to eventually start a family with. She wants to know you can look after her. Particularly in a poor country where raising a child is more challenging. Refusing to pay for her is absolutely the opposite to all of this. You're telling her she's basically on her own.

That's the best way I can explain it. Westerners need to understand this and get over it. Over in US/Germany/UK etc feminism is rampant and the women generally don't give a damn about family in comparison. Even if they do, society/economy is so comfortable that money is virtually a non-issue.

It doesn't mean you have to take her to fancy places. It doesn't mean she just wants your money. Its simple. Just look after her enough. A middle-ground exists between going dutch and LV handbags. Like I said, take her to the cafe and spend $5-10.

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(02-17-2020 07:31 AM)RobertBryce Wrote:  You guys here talk about how to impress some superficially “hot” Russian girls more in line with the way this board used to be – you re talking about gaming hotties basically.

You guys can date 9s and 10s in Russia, take them out, spoil them with gifts. Just don’t end up like some of these foreigners who were played by Russian women, like the forum member Solitaire who himself admitted that he “watched my sweet Russian wife change into a crazed, consuming, materialistic maniac.”

I dislike seeing this kind of binary-thought being spoken as gospel on here, as if there is some kind of flow chart for all Russian women, where "if appearance 8+, then constant expensive gifts required".

For some girls, yes, certainly, as we all know. For others, definitely not. I have personally experienced it for a start. But in addition to this, when you simply look around, there are an enormous amount of guys who are obviously poor/average, yet are out holding hands with absolute stunners. Particularly in the 2nd-tier cities.


(02-17-2020 09:58 AM)bucky Wrote:  but even those sweet little 7s can turn into quite the unmanageable princesses once you sign on the doted line and bring them back to the US
Indeed, this is something I ponder regularly. The constant stares and attention my gf gets everywhere when we're in the UK, even if she is highly loyal and attracted, are almost guaranteed to, at minimum, lead to a power-imbalance in the relationship after long-term exposure. For brief stints it is amusing and creates lots of funny stories, but long-term my gut tells me things wouldn't work.

Then when we're in Russia, things are essentially the opposite. I get abnormal attention and she has actual competition around her again (rather than British girls trying their best to walk normally in heels...)

My solution is to split time between both worlds, rather than settling in one. But that's probably not possible for people wanting to start families.

BTW, any fellow Russia guys are welcome to PM. I'm looking for more like-minded people to chat / hang out with over there especially.
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Hey OP, how did you go about the visa situation?
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(02-17-2020 07:27 PM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  OP don't get me wrong: it makes sense to search for a good women, who doesn't have to be so high on the looks scale. But the points that other people and I mentioned still apply regardless of where she is on the scale. Particularly the one about paying. Not paying can only hurt your chances IMO.

Im tired of explaining this over and over again. You will encounter many obstacles after bringing your girl to the west no matter how great and traditional she was in the beginning. Ive explained that smart English speaking girls are more compatible with western men and can adjust to life in the west a lot better. Do you plan on financially providing for your girl in UK? or do you plan on having her be a stay at home wife? she might get bored and depressed. its better to be with someone emotionally flexible who can adjust to life in the west, have a part time job, not ask you for money all the time, be frugal with your resources and the best way to figure out such a girl is by refusing to pay for her. It has worked for me not saying itll work for everyone.

(02-17-2020 07:27 PM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  These girls want a man to eventually start a family with. She wants to know you can look after her. Particularly in a poor country where raising a child is more challenging. Refusing to pay for her is absolutely the opposite to all of this. You're telling her she's basically on her own.

yes and it was all true in 2014 when I first came here but things are changing quickly. These days young Russian men refuse to pay on dates and the most down to earth, not demanding, more modest girls accept it.

(02-17-2020 07:27 PM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  That's the best way I can explain it. Westerners need to understand this and get over it. Over in US/Germany/UK etc feminism is rampant and the women generally don't give a damn about family in comparison. Even if they do, society/economy is so comfortable that money is virtually a non-issue.
It doesn't mean you have to take her to fancy places. It doesn't mean she just wants your money. Its simple. Just look after her enough. A middle-ground exists between going dutch and LV handbags. Like I said, take her to the cafe and spend $5-10.

see when you move to UK those 5-10 dollar dinners will be replaced with the neccessity to provide for her. Will you be bale to do this? Does she plan on getting a job? Will she continue to ask for money all the time? What happens when you cant give her any allowance, will she drop you and find a wealthier guy?


(02-17-2020 07:27 PM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  I dislike seeing this kind of binary-thought being spoken as gospel on here, as if there is some kind of flow chart for all Russian women, where "if appearance 8+, then constant expensive gifts required".

For some girls, yes, certainly, as we all know. For others, definitely not. I have personally experienced it for a start. But in addition to this, when you simply look around, there are an enormous amount of guys who are obviously poor/average, yet are out holding hands with absolute stunners. Particularly in the 2nd-tier cities.

stunners in Russia always get plenty of attention. Why would she waste her time on a foreigner when she can secure a decent local guy? Russian men who have poor judgement of character end up with stunners who happen to be the worst sluts. Russian men who think logically and show some patience can get a beautyful girl whos a real keeper but they will vet the girl and test her before settling down.

(02-17-2020 07:27 PM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  Indeed, this is something I ponder regularly. The constant stares and attention my gf gets everywhere when we're in the UK, even if she is highly loyal and attracted, are almost guaranteed to, at minimum, lead to a power-imbalance in the relationship after long-term exposure. For brief stints it is amusing and creates lots of funny stories, but long-term my gut tells me things wouldn't work.
Then when we're in Russia, things are essentially the opposite. I get abnormal attention and she has actual competition around her again (rather than British girls trying their best to walk normally in heels...)

see your gut tells you things wouldnt work. because your girl does not have a sacrificial nature. your woman must prove you that she cares about you above everything else no matter how many options she has. investing in the relationship, showing that she loves you (not just because she cant get anything better in Russia) is a way to show you that she s the one for you. thats why I always focused on nerdy Russian girls who were overlooked by local guys and stuck like glue to me in a relationship, did everything I asked them for. You must have confidence in your woman otherwise whats the point.


(02-17-2020 07:27 PM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  My solution is to split time between both worlds, rather than settling in one. But that's probably not possible for people wanting to start families.

the solution should be finding someone who really loves you and is willing to overcome all the challenges for you. You have to live with her for at least a year in Russia and then at least a year in UK before having kids. be carefull man. the woman must show you no disrespect, never critisize you without reason, follow your leadership and try to make you feel as comfortable as possible. if she gets attention from other british men she needs to turn it down quickly and make it known that shes off the market. set the rules for your girl and never compromise on good behaviour
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(02-17-2020 11:02 PM)Feyoder Wrote:  Hey OP, how did you go about the visa situation?

I had a work visa. I was invited by a moscow English language school to teach.
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Not gonna argue. We're all ultimately trying to navigate our way through a strange world by sharing thoughts and ideas.

Generally: Self-improvement. Being masculine. "Being a boss". They adore a calm masculine presence. (and fretting over money is not a masculine trait)

Will leave it at that. And state that my experience with English-speaking girls have always resulted in my gut telling me "stay away". Yes, even the average-looking ones. Besides the obvious reasons (western attitudes towards m/f dynamics, travel, value in the west), it is also down to simple economics: supply/demand is not in our favour. Relatively few Russian girls speak English, and the world is full of English-speaking men. Learn Russian and it becomes the reverse: there's practically 0 western men who speak good Russian. They are simply amazed when talking to you. Roosh talked about the "god factor" many years ago by being a westerner in Eastern Europe. In 2020, this is the way to experience it.

People can take from that what they will.

(02-17-2020 12:07 PM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  Why any sane guy would want to remain in clown world instead of making the leap to Russia I don't even know

I'm fully with this point of view - to be honest I dislike life in the west, and girls aside, I adore life in Russia. A location-independent western income helps enormously, but of course its not something that everybody could realistically achieve.

I have no idea how it would be to raise kids in Russia, though.
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(02-18-2020 05:15 AM)WanderingFlame Wrote:  Not gonna argue. We're all ultimately trying to navigate our way through a strange world by sharing thoughts and ideas.

Generally: Self-improvement. Being masculine. "Being a boss". They adore a calm masculine presence. (and fretting over money is not a masculine trait)

Will leave it at that. And state that my experience with English-speaking girls have always resulted in my gut telling me "stay away". Yes, even the average-looking ones. Besides the obvious reasons (western attitudes towards m/f dynamics, travel, value in the west), it is also down to simple economics: supply/demand is not in our favour. Relatively few Russian girls speak English, and the world is full of English-speaking men. Learn Russian and it becomes the reverse: there's practically 0 western men who speak good Russian. They are simply amazed when talking to you. Roosh talked about the "god factor" many years ago by being a westerner in Eastern Europe. In 2020, this is the way to experience it.

People can take from that what they will.

(02-17-2020 12:07 PM)SomeOneSomeWhere Wrote:  Why any sane guy would want to remain in clown world instead of making the leap to Russia I don't even know

I'm fully with this point of view - to be honest I dislike life in the west, and girls aside, I adore life in Russia. A location-independent western income helps enormously, but of course its not something that everybody could realistically achieve.

I have no idea how it would be to raise kids in Russia, though.

Tough. It would be tough, dealing with your hyper-materialistic, hypergamous wife and the endemic corruption all around you.

Sounds like you're where I was about 15 years ago. I remember singing the praises of the women too, and I still quite like the FSU and Russian culture and wouldn't mind living there again. As for the women though, don't get married. Don't do it. You can have a lot of fun dating them short term, but we don't encourage that kind of thing here anymore.

Of course, you won't listen to my advice, as I didn't listen to the advice of guys who had been through the Russian marriage wringer before me, so best of luck.

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(02-18-2020 07:55 AM)bucky Wrote:  Of course, you won't listen to my advice, as I didn't listen to the advice of guys who had been through the Russian marriage wringer before me, so best of luck.

I'm not sure where you've gotten this impression from. I'm just trying to stay in-line with the new theme of the forum (and this thread).

Marriage is 100% not (currently, at least) for me.

I plan to have kids at some point in the far future, but that's all. I've told my own GF my honest thoughts on marriage. She understands. We are, for now, enjoying the relationship. Whatever the future holds, her and I will be fine either way. If it doesn't last, then it was for the best, for both of us. Sad but life goes on.
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