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RE: How bad is is to marry an older woman?
(02-04-2020 04:57 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  
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(02-02-2020 12:02 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  My takeaway is that 400,000 eggs is more than enough to have a child then....even two or three. After all, you only need one egg.

Moreover, if you tell women over 30 that they’re infertile, they will disagree. Their reasoning is simple and valid….they have countless female acquaintances and frenemies that procreated after 30. So their personal experiences will override the claim.

On some level, these women are right. If I hear that it’s statistically improbable to do something, and I personally know 30-40 people that accomplished that thing, I would be skeptical.
What are people's thoughts on women who are 35 for guys who want 2 (possibly 3) children?

I think the idea is feasible, provided the woman is right (I realize that I am probably in the minority in this regard on the forum).

I think the bigger challenge in this regard is not fertility; rather, as I alluded to earlier, it’s finding a woman with a malleable personality. From my experience, a woman’s personality tends to deteriorate with age: i.e. they become more aligned to a feminist narrative.

Also, because they have “baby rabies,” they are often more centered on their procreation needs than they are with the requirements of the suitor. Therefore, they are more likely to tell you what you want to hear (and obfuscate their negative traits). If you marry a woman like this quickly, you can later find that she has hidden some valuable information: i.e. a pill addiction, a history of multiple gang bangs, etc.

Nailed it. Women in the game who are over the age of 30 have figured out how to play men. The vapid and conniving ways are used to lock him down and have a kid - not because of their love - but because some of their friends are. They can finally stop their Rescue Dog instagram page and start their babies instagram page.

Competition between unmarried women in their 30s is brutal. Its perhaps the most wicked of relationships.
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(02-04-2020 05:13 PM)Laner Wrote:  Nailed it. Women in the game who are over the age of 30 have figured out how to play men. The vapid and conniving ways are used to lock him down and have a kid - not because of their love - but because some of their friends are. They can finally stop their Rescue Dog instagram page and start their babies instagram page.

Competition between unmarried women in their 30s is brutal. Its perhaps the most wicked of relationships.

Laner, I would also add another stick onto this fire. Say you meet a woman at 35 and date her for two years. Then, you realize that she is too flawed to start a family with. So you tell her it's over, it's time to part ways, etc.

How will a single 37 year-od woman react to being dumped? She will take it VERY hard, and you can expect all kinds of theatrics. She might even offer veiled threats. As far as she's concerned, you were the one that was respinsible for her not having children (even though the fault is lying almost entirely in her corner).

So if a man decides to date an older woman, he must decide rather quickly if he's going to continue. With a younger woman, he has a longer window to make a decision. But with an older woman, he needs to make a final decision sooner in order to avoid an ugly situation.

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(02-04-2020 08:17 PM)MajorStyles Wrote:  
(02-04-2020 05:13 PM)Laner Wrote:  Nailed it. Women in the game who are over the age of 30 have figured out how to play men. The vapid and conniving ways are used to lock him down and have a kid - not because of their love - but because some of their friends are. They can finally stop their Rescue Dog instagram page and start their babies instagram page.

Competition between unmarried women in their 30s is brutal. Its perhaps the most wicked of relationships.

Laner, I would also add another stick onto this fire. Say you meet a woman at 35 and date her for two years. Then, you realize that she is too flawed to start a family with. So you tell her it's over, it's time to part ways, etc.

How will a single 37 year-od woman react to being dumped? She will take it VERY hard, and you can expect all kinds of theatrics. She might even offer veiled threats. As far as she's concerned, you were the one that was respinsible for her not having children (even though the fault is lying almost entirely in her corner).

So if a man decides to date an older woman, he must decide rather quickly if he's going to continue. With a younger woman, he has a longer window to make a decision. But with an older woman, he needs to make a final decision sooner in order to avoid an ugly situation.

From my own experience, women above the age of 32 are difficult to game. They come with a bunch of problems that are just not worth dealing with, and there are just better options out there.

Say you meet a woman at the age of 32. Take another 2 years to get to know her. At 34, you get her pregnant with the intention of having a child towards her 35 birthday. At 35, she is just not very likely to conceive again without expensive medical procedures.

I like the advice of Coach RedPill. Time spent on older women is a major opportunity cost, a wasted precious time that could have been used to find a younger women.
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(02-04-2020 05:13 PM)Laner Wrote:  They can finally stop their Rescue Dog instagram page and start their babies instagram page.

Spot on!
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It´s pretty bad.
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(02-14-2020 09:45 AM)Brazilianguy Wrote:  It´s pretty bad.

You can close the thread now. Hah. But seriously, please do not do it. I don't want to come to this forum in months and years that go on and see men complaining about not being able to get their wife pregant, or their wife unable to have more children than he wanted... best to never get feelings for an older woman in the first place.
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What you first have to understand is that when you have a woman then you must never do what she wants but you have to do what you want and she must follow you. This is Red Pill 101.

How does it apply here? You have to pick up a young girl. She will not want to have children in 3 years - at least at first. But you will have to change her in the first 2 years so that when the time comes she wants children. It is so simple.

Even if the wammen is high IQ you have to take the lead. And you have to aim for as young as possible. Higher IQ wammen have children later in life _in average_? Is that your problem? You are not an average guy. You are Red Pilled and you have a solid plan for your life. Your woman will have child earlier. And your woman will be high IQ.

I was thinking similar to you when I was younger and at the end I have made some compromise with the IQ. My wife has definitely lower IQ than me. But she is a very pleasant woman to live together with. That's why I have accepted her lower IQ. And I have somehow changed with time that I started to value IQ less than before.

I have also tried to find wammen in MENSA. I have specifically written the test and entered MENSA with that goal. A friend of me have suggested the idea. I have always thought that I could be on MENSA level but I did not care enough to try it before. But I found out that I can not bare the girls there so I gave up and left this MENSA thing. It was an interesting find for me that many intelligent people are rather stupid when it is about life and not about solving artificial tests.

I also had a somewhat high IQ girlfriend before but I was still blue pilled by that time and I have fucked up the relationship before marriage. I don't know if I could have handled her if I were red pilled earlier though. She was clever over average and she wanted to have a stupid career in finance stuff. She had studied stuff that over average people regard high but really intelligent people know that that is just stupid and also (((evil))) bullshit. It was a relationship problem that I could not take seriously the stuff that she studied at the (((University))). And it was still before my total Red Pill awakening. Today I would take that even less seriously.

I am curious to see how clever my children will be. I plan to have many so at least a few of them will be clever enough to please my desire. My father in-law is very intelligent with inclination to mathematics, physics and machines. Things that I regard high. My mother in-law is not that bright... Both of my parents are exceptionally clever. So I have chance for a few intelligent children. That is my current plan :-).
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(02-03-2020 12:14 PM)Augustus_Principe Wrote:  I've already read my fair share of articles + research and my own personal experience on this topic to know that women ON AVERAGE over 30(who have never had a kid) are far less likely to produce kids. I'm not going to post here the graphs of falling women's fertility, nor the YEARS it takes women over 30 to get pregnant as compared to their earlier years. You can google this in a minute and find out.

I totally agree. I don't know exact numbers but I have some info from my wife about her age group. Many women in their early 30s have problem becoming pregnant. It is very common. I also hear about many miscarriage. Even many women who have healthy children at the end go through exhausting medical treatments to achieve that. It is best to start having children well below 30.

(Very many have PCOS what could be curable with a low carb diet. But they don't believe it or they don't have the willpower.)

I also have a feeling that it correlates with what you see: if you see a woman being a little off then it is likely that the woman is close to infertile. Overweight, bad skin, not lively eyes, unhealthy hair, etc. It is hard to enumerate all these traits that we see instantly when we look at a woman. But I also hear about cases when I found the woman very attractive without any visual flaw but then turns out she is infertile. So what you see is not enough proof only a cue for suspicion.
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I think infertility in even the early 30s is probably also connected with their long-term birth control pill usage.
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(02-14-2020 12:42 PM)kel Wrote:  I think infertility in even the early 30s is probably also connected with their long-term birth control pill usage.

I would love to have a fertility expert on this forum give his opinion about the topic. It seems to not be that well researched as it should, considering that most women are using these things.
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Honestly it's not so much about age as it is about expectations.

The way it should work is that women who waited until their 30s to marry and have kids should generally only be able to find guys they'd consider "creepy," "boring," short, or some other variation of unattractive. These men, in turn, serve as examples of how not to be a man, since them getting together with these leftover women means that their chnaces of having a) children and b) a loyal wife are greatly diminished.

On the other hand, if you're a capable and halfway decent guy in your early or mid-20s, and you find a suitable woman 1-3 years older, I don't think it's necessarily a big problem. Most women before the age of 30 can conceive.
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(02-14-2020 12:42 PM)kel Wrote:  I think infertility in even the early 30s is probably also connected with their long-term birth control pill usage.

I’ve met dozens of women from S. America ranging from 23-35 and not a single one was on birth control. Either they are smarter than their North American counterparts or they are more committed to having children. Either way it’s an indictment of American women.
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Or they are lazier, don't know any better, or don't care = all of the above.

I have no problem with that, except that there is this k and r thing we talk about all the time. Thing is, what you need ultimately is k selection, solid homogenous culture and respect, and thus you will have traditional roles. Then everyone is pulling in the same direction, very few people step out of line without being shamed, and both sexes get what they want in a producing and virtuous society.
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My brother-30 years with a wife for more than a decade older. They've been together for 5 years, and are very happy in the relationship. A few days ago I received a wedding invitation from them.
Basically, they met when she was a volunteer parent while he was teaching her daughter. It started as a hook up, but quickly became much more.
The age thing doesn't really bother them at all. She looks young and he looks older - and that carries over into them behavior. They function like any other normal couple, which certainly helps things.
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The problem is, from the point of view of most on this forum at least, they think (I'm putting this nicely) your brother is getting a bad deal and/or making a bad decision. I'll let you decide that, of course, you should first consider all points --- including the types around here that would dog your brother for doing such a thing. It is true that people can get along with a good number of people, but priorities and expectations regarding something such as marriage (given family and legal issues) ought to be very well thought out.
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No. marry younger, at least ten years younger. Rule of thumb for me going forward. Let them be naive and shit test you, just keep leading and not caring, dominate her, and put a damn bun in the oven once you find out she is not mentally ill. I don't care about other hereditary diseases, they can be beat with mushrooms, herbs, fasting, exercise, and diet. Mental illnesses are the biggest road block preventing human happiness on this earth. Remove that from the equation (i.e. she doesn't want worldly things) then you have a good head start. I know a few like this, some are single, some a re younger than me, but not by 10 years, so I may flex on that rule eventually if the options and pickings get slimmer and slimmer (always a for sure bet).

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(02-16-2020 10:08 PM)MusicForThePiano Wrote:  mushrooms

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(02-13-2020 06:34 PM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  [quote='MajorStyles' pid='2057176' dateline='1580865431']

Laner, I would also add another stick onto this fire. Say you meet a woman at 35 and date her for two years. Then, you realize that she is too flawed to start a family with. So you tell her it's over, it's time to part ways, etc.

I thought the main concern with women over 35 as far as childbearing wasn't their ability to conceive, rather the risk of birth defects and complications during the pregnancy and childbirth. I wish women were unlikely to conceive after 35...I could not worry so much about getting my devout Catholic wife who just passed that age pregnant.

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They def have trouble conceiving, as I hear it, and yeah probably birth defects as well. It's horrifying to think about, honestly. And as millennial women age and decide maybe r/childfree wasn't the way to go pharmaceutical companies will develop weirder and weirder chemicals to help them conceive beyond nature's intention and they'll give birth to deformed and retarded children that society will get to pay for.

Because god forbid a woman ever be made to experience the consequences of her decisions. If we let that happen women at large might modify their lifestyles. Can't have that.
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(02-17-2020 11:32 PM)bucky Wrote:  ...
I thought the main concern with women over 35 as far as childbearing wasn't their ability to conceive, rather the risk of birth defects and complications during the pregnancy and childbirth...

I believe this is true.

My wife (who I am currently split up from as you know) once told me that, due to her pre-existing medical condition (kidney transplant when she was 17), she was told she couldn't have children past 35.

This didn't make any sense to me because early menopause is not a side effect of kidney failure or kidney transplant.

Then, her doctor once explained to us that "for kidney transplant recipients, ANY pregnancy is risky and can lead to complications." Of course, after 35, those risk factors increase exponentially.

So it would stand to reason that it would be dangerous and risky for even a healthy woman to have a kid past 35 (even though menopause doesn't happen until 45 or so).
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Let's just put this to rest, at least regarding pregnancy: generally the issue is more of carrying children at these ages, rather than the genetic defects. There is overlap but mostly the nulliparous woman has an aged uterus that is not that hospitable to implantation (and furthermore hasn't been suppled by prior progesterone exposure etc from a prior pregnancy). Also, genetic issues exponentially combine to stop implantation, but even though risk goes up greatly, it is the relative risk that goes up when comparing 35+ women to 25 year olds, for example. Even around age 39 for a woman the risk of Trisomy 21 is 0.8%. Compared to a 25 year old, that is about a 8-fold relative risk. Sounds horrible, until you realize 99% of the births of the 39 year old lady will not end up in a Down syndrome kid, let's say. Understanding the practical implication of statistics matters, therefore. Back to my point: the issue is implantation (conception).

This is what is so maddening about the SMV and age gap issue of males and females. When you take into consideration that pairing, dating, and marriage take at least a couple of years time to accomplish, if you want any sort of big family (3 is big???) you mathematically can only really do this with a woman at age 30, at the oldest. Sure, there will be exceptions, but it's just not practical, or smart.

I know people that spend lots of 5 figure payments on trying to have 1 kid, lol, due to challenging these biological and/or mathematical realities.
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I personally have no definitive proof that women past 31 even have vaginas much less viable uteri so I can contribute nothing to the topic

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(02-16-2020 11:25 PM)kel Wrote:  
(02-16-2020 10:08 PM)MusicForThePiano Wrote:  mushrooms

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I will create a separate thread just on mushrooms and the many different types, but I must be careful, some of this is considered forbidden knowledge to us plebs so I expect a backlash from any ghosting globopawns who may be lurking here...

In other news, older chicks are still infertile and there are less and less pure wellsprings from which good quality life can grow.

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(02-19-2020 08:55 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Let's just put this to rest, at least regarding pregnancy: generally the issue is more of carrying children at these ages, rather than the genetic defects. There is overlap but mostly the nulliparous woman has an aged uterus that is not that hospitable to implantation (and furthermore hasn't been suppled by prior progesterone exposure etc from a prior pregnancy). Also, genetic issues exponentially combine to stop implantation, but even though risk goes up greatly, it is the relative risk that goes up when comparing 35+ women to 25 year olds, for example. Even around age 39 for a woman the risk of Trisomy 21 is 0.8%. Compared to a 25 year old, that is about a 8-fold relative risk. Sounds horrible, until you realize 99% of the births of the 39 year old lady will not end up in a Down syndrome kid, let's say. Understanding the practical implication of statistics matters, therefore. Back to my point: the issue is implantation (conception).

This is what is so maddening about the SMV and age gap issue of males and females. When you take into consideration that pairing, dating, and marriage take at least a couple of years time to accomplish, if you want any sort of big family (3 is big???) you mathematically can only really do this with a woman at age 30, at the oldest. Sure, there will be exceptions, but it's just not practical, or smart.

I know people that spend lots of 5 figure payments on trying to have 1 kid, lol, due to challenging these biological and/or mathematical realities.

If I understood you correctly, you're saying that a woman in her late 30s who has already had a few kids is much more likely to get pregnant than one of the same age who has never been pregnant before. Is that right?

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(02-20-2020 11:26 PM)bucky Wrote:  
(02-19-2020 08:55 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Let's just put this to rest, at least regarding pregnancy: generally the issue is more of carrying children at these ages, rather than the genetic defects. There is overlap but mostly the nulliparous woman has an aged uterus that is not that hospitable to implantation (and furthermore hasn't been suppled by prior progesterone exposure etc from a prior pregnancy). Also, genetic issues exponentially combine to stop implantation, but even though risk goes up greatly, it is the relative risk that goes up when comparing 35+ women to 25 year olds, for example. Even around age 39 for a woman the risk of Trisomy 21 is 0.8%. Compared to a 25 year old, that is about a 8-fold relative risk. Sounds horrible, until you realize 99% of the births of the 39 year old lady will not end up in a Down syndrome kid, let's say. Understanding the practical implication of statistics matters, therefore. Back to my point: the issue is implantation (conception).

This is what is so maddening about the SMV and age gap issue of males and females. When you take into consideration that pairing, dating, and marriage take at least a couple of years time to accomplish, if you want any sort of big family (3 is big???) you mathematically can only really do this with a woman at age 30, at the oldest. Sure, there will be exceptions, but it's just not practical, or smart.

I know people that spend lots of 5 figure payments on trying to have 1 kid, lol, due to challenging these biological and/or mathematical realities.

If I understood you correctly, you're saying that a woman in her late 30s who has already had a few kids is much more likely to get pregnant than one of the same age who has never been pregnant before. Is that right?

I would say so. Anecdotally, of course. But the only women I know of having kids in their 40s already have kids. The women I know of getting eggs sucked out of them to have them fertilized in a lab are in their mid 30s.

I know two women who are pregnant right now in their mid 40s. First woman, her 6th kid. Her oldest is 17, youngest is 4 in my son's Sunday school class. Shes due in May.

Other is my Viet buddy. His wife is 47, their oldest daughter is 23. Their youngest is 16. Four kids with number five due shortly.

From my own experience there is a massive amount of fertility that women hang on to after a birth. Especially for the first 2 months after giving birth, its hard to keep your hands off them. They ooze fertility.
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