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RE: The Chinese/Asian coronavirus thread
(01-25-2020 08:21 AM)void Wrote:  
(01-25-2020 06:09 AM)The Catalyst Wrote:  Big 4chan image from an apparent figure in UK's Department of Disease control:

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The last thing the Chinese government would admit to any third party is, that the virus is artificial homebrewed. I call bullshit on this post.

Nobody with any medical background whatsoever would trivialize a sentence like "can be spread via skin to skin contact, air, water and blood."

All flus can be spread via droplets propelled by sneezes for example but for a virus to be spread by skin to skin contact AND be airborne? That would be the entire focus of everything you had to say because as a medical professional it would be the most harrowing thing you'd ever heard of.

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I'm 100% convinced that this virus is real and NOT a media/government/megacorp invention. These groups would never completely manufacture events to help an ethical non-profit like Merck. Or to test a full city lockdown/quarantine.

Quite honestly, I don't see any incentive, financial or political, for the media/government/megacorps to lie about any event. We get 100% unbiased reporting from them.
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this is just the latest cheap import from China. globalization cuts both ways.

Pandemics are part and parcel of living in an industrial system.
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(01-25-2020 06:44 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Since Badminton is played on wide, open outdoor spaces, assuming you're getting there by your own car, I'm sure it would be harmless. It's not even remotely comparable to being in a crowded building or a subway train.

p.s. or is it different in Canada? I always played it on giant grassy plains outdoors, but from what I read now, in many places it's a strictly indoor activity...

Indoors in a big warehouse, ventilation is questionable, playerbase is 95% some kind of Asian. Confused

Lots of Chinese New Year stuff I want to do, but just gonna play it safe for a few weeks and hope this blows over.
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The Zombie apocalypse is among us.

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(01-25-2020 02:26 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The stuff marked in red is not necessarily good advice. You don't contract viruses through the skin of your hands. Someone with the flu can sneeze on your hands all day long and you wont contract it (open wounds withstanding).

People that wear PPE (personal protective equipment) often enter into a false sense of security. They'll wear gloves, a mask and glasses then rub their eyes with the gloves on for example.


Yes do not touch your face under any circumstances with gloves and be careful taking them off. Treat your gloves like you have dog shit on them. Always adhere to not touching your face when possible.



Quote: Similarly you are ill advised to open a door with your shirt. Now the virus in on your shirt. Your shirt is touching your belt and your pants. Two hours later you wash your hands, get undressed (ding ding), brush your teeth and you're infected. You are literally better off opening the door with your hands when you treat your hands as agents of infection, not your shirt.


Very valid points. I'm torn on this because unless I can get to a sink right away and can properly wash I risk forgetting and 2 mins later I'm grabbing my cell phone or maybe I sat down at a computer...etc.


Quote:The reality is you have to build a mindset of imagining your head like a sacred temple that nothing may touch, and everything below your neck as being filthy 100% of the time. The mask and the glasses make sense to avoid droplets from a random sneeze but the gloves are useless in a non-medical setting. Their purpose in a hospital is to allow a nurse to do dozens of procedures an hour on different patients and dispose of the "top layer of skin" (the glove) rather than having to wash her hands 12 times an hour which invariably leads to open wounds.


Agreed but I view gloves as they have dog shit on them. Nothing is perfect they both have their pros and cons. I should add gloves need to be washed

Quote:Food is an impossible screening process unless you're literally growing your own. You can only reduce your odds of contracting a common virus, not eliminate it.


Correct. You can't eliminate it but your chances of contracting a flu though groceries is much smaller(take precautions) vs eating at a restaurant or some sick barista handing you a coffee.


Quote:Trains of infection are almost impossible to eliminate when you look hard enough. Did you empty your pockets before or after you took your gloves off? Did you take your gloves off using the correct procedure? Are you disinfecting your phone? Your keys? Your wallet? You've stopped using cash perhaps, but are you still tapping your card against the same readers that thousands of other people are using?
Food is an impossible screening process unless you're literally growing your own. You can only reduce your odds of contracting a common virus, not eliminate it.

Other than that the entire game relies on protecting your face and any open wounds. Treat your hands like they're covered in dog-shit 24/7 then try not to get that dog-shit on your face. That's the best you can do



Valid points. They found that in certain situation where a flu virus survived on money for multiple days(maybe wash your hands after you get your cash withdrawal). Nothing is full proof but good habits can increase your odds for the better.
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As others said, being paranoid about touching surfaces is going to be counterproductive in the long run, and protecting your hands even more so. What really matters is washing your hands and not touching your face with them:

Quote:Cold and flu viruses, despite their ferocity inside our warm bodies, are structurally wimpy and cannot bear the harsh conditions of the dry, outside world.

Viruses are nonliving pieces of genetic code — DNA or RNA — covered in protein coats known as capsids. Flu viruses and many cold viruses also have a viral envelope, meaning the capsid is covered by two layers of lipids similar to the cell membranes found on organisms.

Temperature, ultraviolet radiation from sunlight, pH changes and salt can play a role in weakening a viral envelope. But one of the main factors is moisture.

“Viruses tend to be more stable in environments for which they’re known to reproduce. If they live in warm, moist environments — for example, in your nostrils, in your throat, in your bronchial tree — they’re more stable. But when they’re exposed to a different material or to a non-moist environment, they can break down.”

This is why cold and flu viruses remain infectious on non-porous surfaces like light switches and countertops longer than porous surfaces like fabric and tissues. Porous surfaces suck moisture away from the viruses, causing the structures to collapse.

“People say, ‘Well [a virus] can live on a doorknob for four days. Well, maybe you can isolate it and grow it in culture by swabbing a doorknob, but that doesn’t mean that it’s infectable for four days.”

Viruses outside the body can be better described as either infectious or identifiable — meaning the genetic material that was once inside the virus can be detected via a lab technique like polymerase chain reaction, or PCR. This is usually what advertisements for cleaning products are referring to when they say flu viruses can survive on surfaces for days on end.

Let’s say you had an influenza virus on top of a clean desk, said Dr. Paul Auwaerter, the clinical director for the Division of Infectious Diseases at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “Five days later, if you take a swab, put it into a molecular machine like a PCR machine and you still find DNA remnants there, that doesn’t mean you have an intact virus,” Auwaerter said. “It just means you’ve found the DNA.”

An intact virus is necessary for an infection, but this propensity reduces over time as its capsid and viral envelope begin to degrade. Once weakened, the virus is less able to attach to cells and spread its genetic material.

How long are cold and flu viruses infectious?

There’s not a lot of rigorous data on this question, which is probably why there’s also a lot of confusion. Prior to this decade, only a handful of studies looked at how long flu viruses retain their infectiousness on common surfaces. A 1982 study found influenza A remained contagious up to 48 hours on hard plastic or stainless steel, while a 2008 publication found these viruses stayed infectious for up to three days on Swiss bank notes.

Influenza viruses may actually have a much shorter infectious lifespan, based on more recent work by virologist Dr. Jane Greatorex at Public Health England. In a 2011 study, her team took two strains of influenza A and analyzed how long they remained infectiousness on a variety of common surfaces. After nine hours, viable viruses were no longer found on most non-porous metal and plastic surfaces, such as aluminum and computer keyboards. On porous items, like soft toys, clothes and wooden surfaces, viable viruses disappeared after four hours.

What’s the best surface for killing viruses? Our skin.

What’s the best surface for killing viruses? Our skin. In the cases of both flu and cold-causing viruses, infectious particles on our hands are usually gone after 20 minutes.

Between its pH and its porous nature, our body’s natural barrier to the word does a great job at killing viruses, Greatorex explained. “Our hands are quite antimicrobial themselves,” she said. “They have their own bacteria that live on them — no matter how clean you are — and they don’t actually harbour viruses that well.”

That said, any open wounds on our skin would be an easy gateway for viral infection, so remember to use those bandages.

https://www.xstreaminfectioncontrol.com/...esStay.pdf

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I tend to think that this might have been caused by China`s air pollution problem. The lungs, and all the microorganisms that reside there, will be a fertily ground for new and potentially dangerous mutations when consistently exposed to all these mutagenic pollutants. It`s a numbers game basically. Sooner or later you get an endogenous mutation that will cause disease. I think that is more likely than the transfer from animals theory.

   

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virus has a mortality rate of %3 only.
We had worse cases,like SARS and something starts with M or something back in the day. Both had mortality rates between %20-35.

It will kill people until pharma's get enough money, then vaccine will be created, tadaaa, virus is mysteriously gone.

Relax, people who died were almost all above 60+, had health problems previously.

They treated 2 people in Thailand and released them today.

Not a big deal, dont get into media/social media hype.
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Quote:As others said, being paranoid about touching surfaces is going to be counterproductive in the long run, and protecting your hands even more so. What really matters is washing your hands and not touching your face with them

Yeah and more specifically, your eyes, nose (inside) or mouth. Whenever you come home, wash your hands. Get a good soap that is effective yet gentle enough on your hands, olive oil-based ones are very good, from France, Greece, Turkey etc. Avoid industrial-grade big brands. You don't need to wash your hands like a surgeon, just a normal, fairly thorough wash.

Get a bottle of rubbing alcohol and some cotton pads to wipe your phone a few times a week, as well as your remote controls, mouse and keyboard (keep a bottle at work, but don't chug Laugh).

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Some doctor in Wuhan is saying their media is not telling the truth (shocking!) and insists that over 90k people have been infected.
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(01-25-2020 12:42 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  I tend to think that this might have been caused by China`s air pollution problem. The lungs, and all the microorganisms that reside there, will be a fertily ground for new and potentially dangerous mutations when consistently exposed to all these mutagenic pollutants. It`s a numbers game basically. Sooner or later you get an endogenous mutation that will cause disease. I think that is more likely than the transfer from animals theory.

https://grist.org/cities/chinas-smog-cit...ust-limit/

I doubt it, all that pollution could do is make a few people more vulnerable, but it won't incubate viruses or facilitate their mutation. LA, London used to have high pollution levels not too long ago, and before that industrial parts of Europe like the Midlands or the Ruhr had those apocalyptic air pollution levels for a century, levels that were as bad as China's, but there never were any exotic viral pandemics there.

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(01-24-2020 09:53 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Coincidence?
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(01-25-2020 01:02 PM)911 Wrote:  
(01-25-2020 12:42 PM)Johnnyvee Wrote:  I tend to think that this might have been caused by China`s air pollution problem. The lungs, and all the microorganisms that reside there, will be a fertily ground for new and potentially dangerous mutations when consistently exposed to all these mutagenic pollutants. It`s a numbers game basically. Sooner or later you get an endogenous mutation that will cause disease. I think that is more likely than the transfer from animals theory.

https://grist.org/cities/chinas-smog-cit...ust-limit/

I doubt it, all that pollution could do is make a few people more vulnerable, but it won't incubate viruses or facilitate their mutation. LA, London used to have pollution levels not too long ago, and before that industrial parts of Europe like the Midlands or the Ruhr had those apocalyptic air pollution levels for a century, levels that were as bad as China's, but there never were any exotic viral pandemics there.

Pollution/toxins can definitely cause mutations! Whether that`s the cause or not is another matter. Anyway, as long as your immune system is strong, there is little cause for concern. The problem is that in China there are so many people that are not in that situation. And there air pollution is one of many factors again. (lung inflammation etc.) Some good background info from Ken Berry;




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So far we have learned that:

The virus lives in your body for up to two weeks before symptoms appear.

The virus itself can live on hard surfaces for up to two days.

It kills at least 1 in 50.

There is a secretive Chinese biology laboratory in the epicenter.

Chinese government has deployed troops to quarantine as many as 14 citys.

Chinese eat bats and live mice and serve food cooked in sewage.

Many Chinese have taken to social media, bragging about hiding their symptoms.

The US continues to allow entry to thousands of Chinese every day.

It will take at least 6 months to develop a vaccine.

We have nothing to worry about.tard
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(01-25-2020 12:46 PM)myrica Wrote:  virus has a mortality rate of %3 only.
We had worse cases,like SARS and something starts with M or something back in the day. Both had mortality rates between %20-35.

It will kill people until pharma's get enough money, then vaccine will be created, tadaaa, virus is mysteriously gone.

Relax, people who died were almost all above 60+, had health problems previously.

They treated 2 people in Thailand and released them today.

Not a big deal, dont get into media/social media hype.

Toronto Sun, in Canada also not telling people to freak out https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/f...t-just-yet

I will dial down my paranoia when China stops expanding the area of quarantine and pulls back the military.

If it was "relax its just a cold Bro" and China's response is an appropriate measure we should be quarantining entire states in the US each seasonal flu season. Its way too much of an overreaction for nothing.

The government response to this doesn't equate to no big deal.

If China was your girlfriend, and she was huddled up on the couch with her back to the wall, eyes glued to her phone and replying to a constant 'bing bing bing' of new messages and you said "wow who are you talking to?" and she replied "oh its nothing/nobody" and went back to having her glossy eyes glued to her screen...would you believe her?

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I'm going to Chinese New Year today in Chinatown.

Any tips?

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Also, don't worry Canada, your Minister of Health is on the Case. She's been the minister for a few months and her previous life experience is as a graphic designer and volunteering at the homeless shelter in Thunder Bay. You're in good hands.

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(01-25-2020 02:25 PM)Kona Wrote:  I'm going to Chinese New Year today in Chinatown.

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(01-25-2020 02:25 PM)Kona Wrote:  I'm going to Chinese New Year today in Chinatown.

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(01-25-2020 02:25 PM)Kona Wrote:  I'm going to Chinese New Year today in Chinatown.

Any tips?

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Tell girls that your job is as a representative for a medical supply company and you have a huge stash of professional grade flu masks in your bedroom.

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(01-25-2020 02:25 PM)Kona Wrote:  I'm going to Chinese New Year today in Chinatown.

Any tips?

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Don't order the bat soup.

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(01-25-2020 12:57 PM)Salinger Wrote:  Some doctor in Wuhan is saying their media is not telling the truth (shocking!) and insists that over 90k people have been infected.
Also that the virus has already mutated and will become very difficult to treat effectively.

I think warnings of some apocalypse superbug are overblown, but there is definitely a reason why they are shutting off an area with the population of Great Britain, even going to the point of ripping up the asphalt on highway links to other provinces.
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