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Iconoclast 150 years lifespan sounds like an extreme exaggeration. There are plenty of people in the history of the world that have eaten the type of diet you talk about and yet I have never heard of anybody living to 150. You could at most have a country of people with an average lifespan of 100 if they ate well and lived a healthy lifestyle. That is possible. But 150?
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I just want to note to Genghis Khan that even in the modern age there are enough people who have thrived on the carnivore diet for long periods that you can't just dissmiss it as an anecdote and you can find about their experiences on the web easily. Owsley "Bear" Stanley was on the diet for 50+ years, Vilhjalmur Stefansson 10+ years while living with the Inuits, Andersen family for 20+years and many more. Inuits until their contact with the western people were exclusively carnivore as were Icelanders during their period of isolation etc.
02-11-2020 05:05 AM
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Australia Sucks> my comment was in reference to blood and raw meat which no history is recorded.

Before agriculture humans ate mostly meat. Agriculture is very new in the big picture timeline.

Before fire, humans ate only raw and rotten meat.

I speculate that even with fire, fresh meat would have been consumed raw. Whatever could not have been eaten fresh would have been jerked and turned to pemmican for lean times.

I am consuming only raw meat, organs, fat, fish, milk, butter and eggs. Everything I eat is raw (including butter and milk) .

I felt great when i made the switch from Keto diet to Carnivore and this recent transition to Raw Carnivore has been just, if not more profound.

My next test will be a regular consumption of goats blood mixed with raw milk.

Ill also share that ive been practicing semen retention and sexual energy transmutation. Between raw meat and retaining my life force energy, I literally feel at age 37 like I did at 18. Ive lost 10 kilos of fat, gained muscle strength. I need less sleep. I recover faster. My Endurance and cardio mich improved. Focus and flow state easier to maintain. I have an energy amd frequency about me that attracts folks including women, clients, family and likeminded men. I feel like this combo is a life cheat code.
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02-11-2020 07:19 AM
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Surprise surprise. Pro athlete goes vegan, performance suffers, goes back to a human diet.

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I am currently on day 7 of the carnivore diet.

I read Dr. Shawn Baker's book on the subject and he said it's fine to do a couple days of carnivore diet at a time. Leading up to it, I started with just eating meat for lunch and dinner, then a couple two day stints of it, then I finally took the plunge to see what would happen. No keto flu this time. No unmanageable electrolyte weirdness. All in all it's going much better this time around.

Things I've noticed.

The positives:

No plaque on my teeth and they feel much harder than they did before. Gums don't bleed when I floss.

I can smell everyone's breath now. Sense of smell is greatly heightened. Not sure if this is even a plus.

My dreams have come back, which likely means that my quality of sleep is improving.

Girlfriend said I quit snoring completely (I used to rattle the walls). This is good because my recent attempt to get a CPAP machine ended in vain as the doctors claimed I did not have sleep apnea - I only slept 3 hours in their shitty lab bed.

Brainfog is completely gone. My clarity is much better than before. I don't mentally reach for words anymore.

Heartrate was a bit high the first couple days (mid 80's) but it seems to have normalized. Last time this was what worried me, as it was very high (90 at rest, 110+ when I was barely moving). This was likely caused by too much physical activity when I should have been taking it easy and adapting to the diet. It also could have been a lack of salt as I was doing heavy physical labor.

I don't need my glasses to read fine print anymore. Vision is less blurry in general.

Anxiety is gone. I drove home in one of the worst blizzards I have ever seen and didn't sweat it once.

Circulation has greatly increased. The ends of my toes had damaged nerve endings from frostbite and the nerves in them are waking up.

Mood is better and more stable.

I'm saving money. Fatty ground beef is not expensive and I only need like 3 lbs of it a day.

Libido is through the roof.

Some of the negatives

Food is no longer entertainment. To those with an emotional attachment to food, this way of eating can be hell. In the first couple of days I had strong cravings for certain things but they passed pretty quick. If you want to eat on the go, I suggest beef jerky or pemmican. If anyone is interested in a recipe for pemmican, let me know and I can post mine.

Fasting seems kind of hit or miss. I tried fasting for a day and I felt pretty strange at the end of it. I'm probably still just adapting. I eat 2 meals a day, lately it's been two pounds fatty ground beef (73/27 is cheap and it works).

Other people think you're varying levels of weird or insane. I feel so good on this way of eating that I don't care.
02-14-2020 03:25 AM
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By week two the biggest hurdle for fasting will be psychological. You'll simply be feeling the habit of eating going unfulfilled rather than actually being hungry, though it will depend to some degree on how much energy you're burning through the day.

Nowadays I have some milk in the morning and often wont eat until 3 in the afternoon, not because I feel hunger as much as because that's when it's convenient for me to eat. I'll eat something small again around midnight and that will be that.

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So many people just eat idly. It's the non-smokers chain smoking, basically, and it's a big reason people are so obese.
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I am definitely noticing how easy it is to go so many hours without eating. The food coma doesnt exist anymore and its quite nice.
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I've been doing intermittent fasting for almost a week now. I fast for 15-17 hours a day and my sleep is better. I feel better overall and not so hungry. I still eat meat and vegetables with little fruit in the morning. I feel lucky for growing in the Mediterranean. I have access to different plants and herbs all year round and I don't feel like I have to go from one extreme to another.

Biggest change I needed to do was just increase my fasting period and drink more water. I tried it before, for months and I foolishly stopped, even though it worked well for me in the past Undecided
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I'm starting week 3 today.
I tried a half pound of grass fed liver from Whole Foods.
Huge improvement in energy and vitality, I bought out the store so I have some to get me through the week.

I think week 2 was harder than week 1. I don't have any cravings persay, but I haven't felt 100% all week.
Big thing is the random ups and down in energy and vitality, bathroom issues, ect...
I think I'm almost through it though.

No weight loss this week, but my overall body composition is pretty good. I'm pretty lean anyway.
Workouts are alright, but the strain mid-week was terrible. I was completely wiped.
I think this is just part of the adjustment period.

One thing I'd recommend is cut out the bacon to a large extent. I think I feel worse with bacon. Dairy too doesn't sit well with me, and if I eat a lot of fat too close to bed, my digestion is all over the place and it keeps me awake.

At least in Texas, we have grass fed ground beef and ground chuck roast at Wal-Mart for $6/lb -- that's a pretty good deal. Despite railing against grass fed, I bought the store out.
The stuff they have at Wal-Mart is pretty good, the grass fed stuff I've had at Trader Joes taste like shit.

Also a note, I'm doing No Fap at the same time.
Honestly, the carnivore diet cancels out the no fap and they're both easier to do together. My sex drive is pretty low on this diet. I'm hoping it's just part of the adjustment period, probably is.
On the up side, I have no depression or any anxiety and my attention span is pretty high. When I cheated during week 1, I instantly felt a cloud coming over my mood. It was kind of amazing how carbs and alcohol had that affect. Whiskey and meat doesn't do anything negative to my mood.
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How do you prepare the liver? I need to get on the liver train. I take cod-liver oil sometimes, and I eat liver pâté, but eating half a pound of liver in a go.... not yet.
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I suggest you find a way to add it to other foods kind of like the way you would hide a worming tablet in a ham sandwich and give it to your dog.

You could add it to savoury mince if it's diced up small and you wouldn't even notice it.

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(02-17-2020 01:19 AM)kel Wrote:  How do you prepare the liver? I need to get on the liver train. I take cod-liver oil sometimes, and I eat liver pâté, but eating half a pound of liver in a go.... not yet.

I fried it with 5 strips of bacon.
It was completely fine. But I think all the bacon grease was a little too much for my stomach.

I don't find the taste of liver that bad.
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Liver should be eaten raw. It tastes better. Also less vitamin and enzyme, beneficial bacteria destruction. Just cut it to very small cubes and swallow like a pill.

I started doing the above and eventually my body made the nutrient and taste connection and my palate changed. I now bite amd chew raw liver and love the taste.

I eat about 2 pounds of raw beef or lamb liver per week.
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Second week in. I had a very busy and hectic couple of days at work and I went home feeling weak and dizzy. Read up about it and found an article about what happens when you go zero carb.

Basically, your kidneys have to relearn how to conserve salt and be kidneys again, as they relied on the near constant presence of insulin and glucose/carbs to hold onto water weight for you.

After eating some nosalt (potassium) and regular table salt the issue cleared right up. Now I eat a little pinch of nosalt in the morning and a couple pinches of salt during the day.
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That's interesting. I've been craving salts but didn't really stop to think why. I've broken the diet several times for potato chips and I think it was the salt on them that I was really after. I've also been eating boiled eggs with a lot more salt on them than I'd normally use.

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(02-20-2020 04:23 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  That's interesting. I've been craving salts but didn't really stop to think why. I've broken the diet several times for potato chips and I think it was the salt on them that I was really after. I've also been eating boiled eggs with a lot more salt on them than I'd normally use.

Here is a fairly good image that grants some guidelines.

In the spirit of the carnivore diet, I don't measure anything like the image suggests, but I do adjust the amount of electrolytes that I get depending on which symptom I have.

[Image: keto-flu-electrolyte-imbalance-elctrolytes.jpg]
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Finally - the other side is producing grassroots-financed documentaries not supported by the establishment:





Within 15 minutes you already have the whole gamut of arguments for upping your meat intake.

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Anyone have any solid recipes to cook large cheap cuts of meat like pork shoulder?

I see it on sale here and there for very cheap, but every time I attempt to cook it, it comes out disgusting.

Last time i tried it with the instant pot thinking the pressure would tenderize it and it came out all rubbery and waterlogged. Shredding it and putting it in the oven for a time made it tolerable, but not good. Maybe I need to treat it more like a brisket and just stick with low and slow?

I have found some solid recipes for carnivore diet deserts and they are also simple. I can post those later if anyones interested.

I have got most of the other meats I would care to cook nailed, mainly everything beef related and occasionally chicken wings/drumsticks, but the pork roast eludes me.
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(Yesterday 09:02 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  Anyone have any solid recipes to cook large cheap cuts of meat like pork shoulder?

I see it on sale here and there for very cheap, but every time I attempt to cook it, it comes out disgusting.

Last time i tried it with the instant pot thinking the pressure would tenderize it and it came out all rubbery and waterlogged. Shredding it and putting it in the oven for a time made it tolerable, but not good. Maybe I need to treat it more like a brisket and just stick with low and slow?

I have found some solid recipes for carnivore diet deserts and they are also simple. I can post those later if anyones interested.

I have got most of the other meats I would care to cook nailed, mainly everything beef related and occasionally chicken wings/drumsticks, but the pork roast eludes me.

I can't make pork well - it's a tricky meat anyway. The only thing about pork that I love is spare-ribs, but only the ones that take hours to make in the oven. You could have it in some sort of gulash as well - here also hours of cooking that will release the flavour. Some recipes mix beef and pork in a slow-cooked pot.

Very few carnis rely on pork from what I know, though I personally could eat well-done spareribs every other day, but I don't want to do them.

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Here in the midwest i can get pork shoulder for less than 2 dollars a pound. Since I dont drink anymore, Ive found that bringing a large cooked meat dish to house parties makes you popular by default, which offsets the relative weirdness of being a dead sober zero carb dieter in an area where everyone else is binge drinking and slamming pizza.

Im not going to eat exclusively pork, but a little variety is nice. I know a lot of diseased people who could benefit greatly from this way of eating but a perceived lack of variety scares off many. This is hilarious as much of the variety I see people eat are reconfigured corn based derivatives.
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Another good option is pork ribs. Sometimes they're on sale at my local grocer for $2-$3/lb. It's not always that affordable and can be pretty volatile, but when it's on sale I buy a few racks.

I've also learned you can cook mean ribs in the oven by doing 300 deg F and baking for four hours or so. Surprisingly delicious.

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(Yesterday 09:02 AM)Hannibal Wrote:  Anyone have any solid recipes to cook large cheap cuts of meat like pork shoulder?

Slow cooker pulled pork

You can ditch the stuff (veggies/bbq sauce) that doesn't fit with your diet. But I'm not strictly carnivore, so I'd probably leave the onions and garlic in. You don't really need the beer either; you could substitute or even just cook them dry -- but you need something under the meat, like a potatoes/sweet potatoes, to keep them from burning. Then just toss the potatoes if you don't want them.

Obviously I wouldn't eat it with rice/buns anymore either, but tastes great by itself or with eggs.

One of my favorite meals lately is just ground pork shoulder patties. Make the pork into patties, season with salt and pepper, cook until it's got a nice brown on each side but still juicy in the middle (the less you flip it, the better).

These taste amazing on the grill, though you lose some of the fat, but still good in the pan.

Personally, I love pork, and even prefer it to beef in most ways. I barely eat chicken these days; too little calories and fat to protein, and it's just so bland unless you do something special with it.
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