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I was actually joking, I didn’t know it was so popular. Might have to give it a shot

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(02-02-2020 12:51 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  Kel

I was actually joking, I didn’t know it was so popular. Might have to give it a shot

Had a feeling but wasn't sure. "Popular" is overstating it, but some of those weirdos on youtube like sv3rige have been doing it. While I don't look to him as a paragon of health and fitness, lots of cultures have consumed blood either straight like the Massai or as an ingredient like blood sausages all over Europe and east Asia, so I am interested to try. I've had blood sausage, didn't hate it but I can't imagine craving it. I doubt I will crave just straight blood, either, but I'm curious. Probably very hydrating and good for a boost in iron.
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Women...somehow they always manage to make it about their ass!




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Cerebral atrophy in a vitamin B12-deficient infant of a vegetarian mother.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25076673

Also, Primal kitchen`s take on the Impossible Foods super bowl ad was on point;

"I thought I would take a minute to dissect the impossible_foods ad recently released on Super Bowl Sunday. When designing a big budget ad like this, every detail is taken into account, the dress of the actors, the setting, race and gender. Subtle clues identify class and education and add to the dialogue and intent of the ad. Here a well dressed judge and moderator, Pat Brown, CEO of impossible_foods, of a spelling bee using a four letter word to create a campaign of disgust among the audience and children on stage.

Poop, is the word and he’s at pains to define it to these children in terms of allowable concentrations in meat. What is suggested here is a well dressed patriarchal, white professional using his position of power to lecture children of colour, not about the definition of poop, but a purity complex integrated into modern society. An antibacterial, sterile society is civilization and dirt, blood, bodily fluids and poop are savage remnants of uncivilized peoples who don’t know better. When Joel Salatin says that he sees fake meat as a devolution in disconnectedness with nature this is what he’s talking about. Since 2005, 80% of American spelling bee champions have been Indian American, it’s a joy to watch them dissect the etymology of a given word and to pull at its roots to produce a perfect spelling. impossible_foods could have used excrement or fecal matter, but instead chose a word of such banality time give to this contestant. I can only suppose their psychology assumes we shouldn’t expect more from these kids.."
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Very intersting study!

"Epidemiological studies suggest that foods rich in flavonoids might reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease and cancer. The objective of the present study was to investigate the effect of green tea extract (GTE) used as a food antioxidant on markers of oxidative status after dietary depletion of flavonoids and catechins. The study was designed as a 2 x 3 weeks blinded human cross-over intervention study (eight smokers, eight non-smokers) with GTE corresponding to a daily intake of 18.6 mg catechins/d. The GTE was incorporated into meat patties and consumed with a strictly controlled diet otherwise low in flavonoids.

GTE intervention increased plasma antioxidant capacity from 1.35 to 1.56 (P<0.02) in postprandially collected plasma, most prominently in smokers. The intervention did not significantly affect markers in fasting blood samples, including plasma or haemoglobin protein oxidation, plasma oxidation lagtime, or activities of the erythrocyte superoxide dismutase, glutathione peroxidase, glutathione reductase and catalase. Neither were fasting plasma triacylglycerol, cholesterol, alpha-tocopherol, retinol, beta-carotene, or ascorbic acid affected by intervention. Urinary 8-oxo-deoxyguanosine excretion was also unaffected. Catechins from the extract were excreted into urine with a half-life of less than 2 h in accordance with the short-term effects on plasma antioxidant capacity.

Since no long-term effects of GTE were observed, the study essentially served as a fruit and vegetables depletion study. The overall effect of the 10-week period without dietary fruits and vegetables was a decrease in oxidative damage to DNA, blood proteins, and plasma lipids, concomitantly with marked changes in antioxidative defence."
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...-free_diet

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< I wouldn't even count this as a study - 8 vs 8 - is a casual observation.

Smokers vs non-smokers as the only determinant, seriously? There is no fruit and vegetables depletion - quite the contrary - the real-life-studies of ex-vegans prove us that the vegetables and fruits don't nourish the vegans at all.

The only thing which can be true is that some plants are healing agents on top of many being toxic. So the more toxic your food, the more grains, vegetable oils and other toxic vegetables you eat, the more nutrients you will require to de-toxify yourself.

Epidemiological studies are lousy even when looking at millions and entire populations - they are irrelevant when it comes to overseeing 16 people with a binary smoking differential. Next is the duration of the study - a few weeks.
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(02-04-2020 01:24 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < I wouldn't even count this as a study - 8 vs 8 - is a casual observation.

Smokers vs non-smokers as the only determinant, seriously? There is no fruit and vegetables depletion - quite the contrary - the real-life-studies of ex-vegans prove us that the vegetables and fruits don't nourish the vegans at all.

The only thing which can be true is that some plants are healing agents on top of many being toxic. So the more toxic your food, the more grains, vegetable oils and other toxic vegetables you eat, the more nutrients you will require to de-toxify yourself.

Epidemiological studies are lousy even when looking at millions and entire populations - they are irrelevant when it comes to overseeing 16 people with a binary smoking differential. Next is the duration of the study - a few weeks.

I agree that it was a small cohort, and some possible confounder`s. But it was still an RCT. Also the observation that eliminating plant compounds reduced DNA damage was interesting. Could be other things that was eliminated that caused the result though. It does support some of the carnivore arguments.

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< While the study is too small - full carnivore studies are being started by Dr. Shawn Baker. People reverse countless illnesses and immune system conditions within a few days or weeks on the carnivore diet. My bet is that they would win any study - keto already won against controlled plant-based in hospitals in 100 studies world-wide, but hardly anyone knows about it. And carnivore is in my opinion more powerful than keto.

But yeah - while the duration is too short, I do agree that it's possible for people to react to lack of toxins that are present in virtually all vegetables. It's not for lack of reason that entire cultures like the Chinese switched mainly to fermented veggies, white rice and cooked/steamed vegetables - also implementing as much meat and fish as possible whenever they could afford it.
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I'm on day 5 of this diet.

It's pretty easy to follow, but I doubt I'll stay on it permanently.
One thing I find is I can't stop eating meat. I'm eating way more calories than I was. I dunno about weight loss yet, we'll see. I actually have few carb cravings...

My sleep is way better even on day 5. Other than that, it's been a mixed bag of high bouts of energy with some moments of fatigue/keto flu. I barely have bowel movements...

The main hangup I have with this diet is it's removing a huge amount of enjoyment out of life. A lot of human interaction occurs over food, and I consider myself a foodie at that. So I don't know if I'll go more than a month...
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Im also very curious about blood.

I will be buying a goat this month and butchering.

Im going to capture and store the blood. Along with every organ.

Ive been eating alot of raw liver, kidney, heart and the more i eat them the more I crave them. Oddly although ive never drank fresh blood... I crave it.

I have beem transitioning slowly to eating all raw meat and organs. Im eating all raw beef, eggs and organs but still cook pork ribs and chicken wings.

It is becoming obvious to me that raw meat is superior to cooked, atleast for beef and red meats.
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Pretty full on. I tried some liver raw (frozen, I cut it up and ate it like frozen berries) and it was much less pleasant than when it was cooked. Even frozen, the smell was enough to induce the gag reflex a couple of times and I don't think I'll try it again.

The cooked stuff seemed to digest a lot easier. My next experiment will be to cut it into small bits and scramble it with eggs which I think will mask the texture adequately.

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I’ve heard that frying some bacon alongside your liver is a great way to disarm the taste.

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Long-term carnivores recommend to not eat liver if you don't like the taste - why bother?

I agree with them - none of them seem to be lacking. Some eat mostly ground beef patties, because that is what they can afford and it fits their taste-buds.
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My interest lies beyond simple nutrition during good times. During hard times it will be useful to know which organ meats are handy for various dietary applications and how to make them palatable.

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(02-07-2020 10:54 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  My interest lies beyond simple nutrition during good times. During hard times it will be useful to know which organ meats are handy for various dietary applications and how to make them palatable.

I tried it that way and it goes down easy:





And I would call it invigorating. I can also eat it with raw eggs and raw milk - just dunk it in and drink it.
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(02-07-2020 08:13 AM)Iconoclast007 Wrote:  I will be buying a goat this month and butchering.

Im going to capture and store the blood. Along with every organ.

Please share all your experiences when it happens. Video, even, would be welcome if you can swing it.
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Try liver pâté, just buy a nice one at the store to start. Liver (usually pork) with pork fat and spices. It's nice on bread or pieces of butter lettuce. I'm yet to meet anyone who doesn't like pâté. Eventually you can start making your own, it's super easy with just a cheap little blender.
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(02-07-2020 10:56 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 10:54 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  My interest lies beyond simple nutrition during good times. During hard times it will be useful to know which organ meats are handy for various dietary applications and how to make them palatable.

I tried it that way and it goes down easy:





And I would call it invigorating. I can also eat it with raw eggs and raw milk - just dunk it in and drink it.

I'm either wildly uneducated or this guy seems to be begging to be hospitalized.

Anyway, here are my two cents on nutrition. I eat plants and meats as well. What I noticed was that heavy carbs during the afternoon makes me feel sluggish, except when I eat a salad or something like that. I was born and raised on the Mediterranean diet so maybe I was meant to consume both. My body and my mind work best like that.

Whatever, the thing I am 100% sure about is that no matter what I eat, if I don't chew on it enough times, I am more likely to feel tired and I suspect not getting enough nutrients out of it.

On another note, for guys who eat meat very often or all the time, how do you determine the quality? Doesn't that depend on what your food is eating and the living conditions? I would imagine that chicken would be more healthy when it's raised in a back yard as opposed to mass produced.
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(02-07-2020 04:56 PM)Andreas Wrote:  On another note, for guys who eat meat very often or all the time, how do you determine the quality? Doesn't that depend on what your food is eating and the living conditions? I would imagine that chicken would be more healthy when it's raised in a back yard as opposed to mass produced.

It's worth it to go grass-fed. Not cheap, but if I'm going to spend extra money anywhere, food is where it'll be. Equally important is supporting that industry, especially if you can do it from a small local farmer.

I get orders from a few different farms every few weeks.
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(02-07-2020 06:02 PM)kel Wrote:  
(02-07-2020 04:56 PM)Andreas Wrote:  On another note, for guys who eat meat very often or all the time, how do you determine the quality? Doesn't that depend on what your food is eating and the living conditions? I would imagine that chicken would be more healthy when it's raised in a back yard as opposed to mass produced.

It's worth it to go grass-fed. Not cheap, but if I'm going to spend extra money anywhere, food is where it'll be. Equally important is supporting that industry, especially if you can do it from a small local farmer.

I get orders from a few different farms every few weeks.

I buy all my meat at Wal-Mart.

Most supermarkets in 2020 have the same quality meat as you'd get at Whole Foods - and they in fact, use the same suppliers. People fall for a lot of bullshit when they buy meat, thinking there's a huge difference between organic, grass fed, grain fed, ect. when there is not. The differences are really minor and not well supported by research.

It's a misnomer that grass-fed meat comes from a "small local farmer". A lot of it that you get from the grocery store is imported from Australia and it's considerably less fresh than the grain fed meat since its more often frozen in transit. So while a normal grain fed cow you'd be eating would be from Texas, for example, a grass fed one is typically from further away unless you live in an area that has a farmers market that sells local grass fed meat.

Personally, I do not agree with you that the cost is worth it. It's something that's being peddled hard, when most grass-fed meat tastes like shit. I just did an experiment buying a grass-fed ribeye vs my Wal-Mart steaks. Wal-Mart steaks are just way better. Better fat, juicier, more flavorful overall. I've also bought farmer markets steaks (organic and local), I didn't think there was any quality difference from my supermarket ones despite paying 2 or 3 times more for it.

Grass-fed meat has a certain percentage higher of Omega 3s (on average, 30%, though it varies), but other than that it's virtually the same as grain fed in nutritional content. Normal grain fed meat is also better tasting than grass fed, so that's a big trade off. If you avoid foods high in Omega 6 content, that is probably more effective than buying expensive grass fed meat as an offset (conventionally raised chicken and pork).

Other great sources of Omega 3s are eggs (Egglands Best, which can be found at every grocery store, has added Omega 3) - much cheaper than grass-fed meat!

Truth of the matter is, meat is one of the most heavily regulated things in our food supply. I would worry more about processed foods, pharmaceutical drugs, supplements, and the like then the nuances of buying some meat at the grocery store. Even Dr. Shawn Baker, whose the biggest peddler of this diet, says people do fine on conventional meat. The neuroticism about meat is really unfounded...

Side note: Liver is quite disgusting and the few nutrients you need from it (Vitamin A, C, Potassium) are pretty easy to get from supplements.

Second side note: Eating meat raw (vs. rare) is quite a regression. When our ancestors figured out how to cook meat, I'm pretty sure they ditched the idea of eating raw meat.
It's OCD to care about the nutrients you lose cooking meat. You're eating so much meat, it doesn't matter if some nutrients are lost.
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I'm getting off on a rant here:

Another bullshit thing is "nitrate free" meat...
All bacon has nitrates (either sodium nitrate or celery salt), it's just the law says if the nitrates are from plant sources, it can be labeled as "nitrate free". Truth is vegetables in general are as full of nitrates as conventional bacon and the curing process for meat is thousands of years old...

Buy your cheap Wal-Mart meat and be happily fed and frugal. Left wingers want meat to be expensive and hard to get, that's not happening in Texas!
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There are some pretty stark differences between grass fed and grain fed that go beyond just the omega fatty acid profiles. CLA is higher in grass fed, and there also tends to be more vitamin A and E in grass fed too. Grass fed is also lower in monosaturated fats. I think that if you are only going to go carnivore for a short period of time then its probably not going to make a huge difference, but if its a long term lifestyle thing then it would be better to make sure you are getting your hands on meat from animals that lived a healthier, more natural life. Just like grain is not great for us, it obviously wrecks as much havoc on livestock if it can change the nutritional profile of their meat to the extent that it seems to.

I have not tried the diet yet but I am really tempted to give it a bash for a month and see how I go on it. I love meat, eggs and dairy.
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(02-08-2020 11:49 PM)Winston84 Wrote:  There are some pretty stark differences between grass fed and grain fed that go beyond just the omega fatty acid profiles. CLA is higher in grass fed, and there also tends to be more vitamin A and E in grass fed too. Grass fed is also lower in monosaturated fats. I think that if you are only going to go carnivore for a short period of time then its probably not going to make a huge difference, but if its a long term lifestyle thing then it would be better to make sure you are getting your hands on meat from animals that lived a healthier, more natural life. Just like grain is not great for us, it obviously wrecks as much havoc on livestock if it can change the nutritional profile of their meat to the extent that it seems to.

I have not tried the diet yet but I am really tempted to give it a bash for a month and see how I go on it. I love meat, eggs and dairy.

It's not that stark of a difference compared to the price. You can pay 2 to 3 times more for grass fed meat. Is it worth it for Vitamin A and E? Those things are ubiquitous in the food supply and easy to supplement. If you're rich, okay. Don't break your budget for easy-to-get vitamins. And I mentioned, grass-fed meat tastes like shit, which has twice the weight of health concerns when its the only thing you're eating on a diet.

https://medium.com/better-humans/is-gras...74cec4b3b1

Good article. There are others if you Google it.

I think I'm off of it after 8 days. I love my meat, but I just got sick of it after a week and my whole house smells like beef. A diet you can stick to gives you enough variety.
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I understand if cost is an issue for you or others, but its not an issue for everyone and it does not change the fact that there is a legitimate difference in the nutritional profile between grass fed and grain fed. They are not minor differences either and they do make a difference when you are talking about a highly restrictive diet where all of your calories and nutrition are coming from a few sources only.

Personally I would rather spend a bit more on quality food than pump my body full of cheap, mass produced garbage from factory farms. If eating processed sugars and grain does the kind of damage it does to our bodies, and it can change the nutritional profile of the meat we source from the animals we feed the same garbage, then clearly grain fed cattle are not healthy animals either.

Vitamin supplements are also iffy at best. Bio-availability is a very real thing and its why vitamin C supplements are pretty useless compared to when you get it from food sources. There is no substitute for real food.

Lastly the link you posted was to an article relating to whey protein. Comparing the difference in the quality of grass fed or grain fed whey to the difference in quality between muscle meat and organs is a bit daft to me. Its a different discussion and hardly relevant.
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(02-09-2020 12:17 AM)Winston84 Wrote:  I understand if cost is an issue for you or others, but its not an issue for everyone and it does not change the fact that there is a legitimate difference in the nutritional profile between grass fed and grain fed. They are not minor differences either and they do make a difference when you are talking about a highly restrictive diet where all of your calories and nutrition are coming from a few sources only.

Personally I would rather spend a bit more on quality food than pump my body full of cheap, mass produced garbage from factory farms. If eating processed sugars and grain does the kind of damage it does to our bodies, and it can change the nutritional profile of the meat we source from the animals we feed the same garbage, then clearly grain fed cattle are not healthy animals either.

Vitamin supplements are also iffy at best. Bio-availability is a very real thing and its why vitamin C supplements are pretty useless compared to when you get it from food sources. There is no substitute for real food.

Lastly the link you posted was to an article relating to whey protein. Comparing the difference in the quality of grass fed or grain fed whey to the difference in quality between muscle meat and organs is a bit daft to me. Its a different discussion and hardly relevant.

Perfect vs. good enough. Eating a conventionally raised steak and some eggs is way healthier than the typical American diet. By a huge margin. You're nit picking on minor things.

You want perfect nutrition. I want good enough nutrition. Because I know that nutritional science is mostly bogus. And I don't like being ripped off.

Important to note, I'm a high earner. I can certainly afford grass fed meat, I just don't see how it's justified. No matter what, unless you eat liver (good luck with that, it's nasty), you will likely need to supplement on the carnivore diet. Humans haven't evolved to be carnivores (obviously). It's either taking electrolyte powder, or a multivitamin, or both - Joe Rogan supplemented heavily, moreso than I did. It's one reason why unlike a lot of people trying the diet, I had no ill bodily effects (no diarrhea and little keto fatigue).

The article I posted has a lot of good graphs, if you check them out. I think there are others out there that aren't framing it in terms of body building.

Also, a misnomer that grass-fed beef is "higher quality" than grain-fed beef. By what metric? They are eating different things, yes. But taste is important. There's a reason we feed cows grains, the flavor profile is way better.
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