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You are exactly right, the carnivore diet is the ultimate elimination diet, but not just because it eliminates carbs and toxins used in modern agriculture and food preparation but also in eliminating plant matter that is toxic (oxalates for example). There is nothing in the plants that you actually need and can't get from eating meat (and animal fats), and in fact all the nutrients in the meats are more bioavailable then in plant matter.

This video sums it up very nicely:



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(01-10-2020 12:18 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I didn't consider it but now that you mentioned the gums, I don't get any blood when I brush which has always been an issue for me no matter what dental routine I've undertaken in the past.

I've begun to suspect that the carnivore diet is equally a question of what you're not eating anymore rather than simply what you are eating. It's possible you could get similar results with fasting or other minimalist diets that cut out problem-food-groups or things like gluten.

The thing is that we don't particularly know why it works:

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Water fasts and other elimination diets have beneficial results. They used to have raw milk clinics where they gave people only high quality raw milk with massive results.

But no tribe on earth subsisted on milk alone - carni yes.

At this stage of generally weak science I would say - if it works, then do it. A predominantly carni diet is probably best anyway - for some a 100% one.

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The best description is probably that it's a nourishing elimination diet - but one you can live off long-term as well.
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(01-10-2020 01:06 PM)FilipSRB Wrote:  You are exactly right, the carnivore diet is the ultimate elimination diet, but not just because it eliminates carbs and toxins used in modern agriculture and food preparation but also in eliminating plant matter that is toxic (oxalates for example). There is nothing in the plants that you actually need and can't get from eating meat (and animal fats), and in fact all the nutrients in the meats are more bioavailable then in plant matter.

This video sums it up very nicely:




That's one of the vids that got me into carnivore.

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The main problem I see these days with plant foods is that humans are not consuming them in the traditional manner. Traditional recipes passed down over hundreds of years are often prepared in specific ways to optimize nutrition. My grandma whenever she would eat almonds she would soak them in a bowl of water overnight and peel the skin. Long before anybody knew anything about "activated" nuts. Any food she cooked (soups, stews etc with beans or lentils) were generally made with the beans being rinsed in water multiple times and then left in a bowl of water overnight (which we now know helps reduce phytic acid, etc). Soups often had fresh stock made from chicken or meat bones, etc.

She always made rice from Jasmine rice (been found to better than brown rice or other forms of rice). The rice was washed multiple times to wash off the starch and then soaked in water before being cooked slowly. Also food combinations are important kebabs served with rice often have sumac and saffron on the rice and the side dish is often a small plate of fresh herbs and cucumber yoghurt. The sumac and saffron have been shown to aid in food digestion, and I am sure the fresh mint had a purpose as well.

Traditional bread was always left at least 24 hours for the yeast to die off.

The problem with modern diets is people just make recipes up and eat whatever food they like in any old haphazard manner. In traditional cuisines food preparation and food combinations are absolutely crucial. That is where I suspect a lot of problems come from. Plant based foods are trickier to eat and can be prone to causing more problems. Traditional societies had methods of minimizing the negative effects (portion sizes, food combinations, frequency of different foods being consumed, preparation methods, etc). Modern diets do not hence the plethora of health problems that can be caused by eating plant matter in this day and age (aside from the other issues of declining mineral density/richness of soil, GMO, pesticides, etc). I agree with a carnivore diet there is less need to be careful.

I am interested to hear your thoughts Simeon.
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(01-11-2020 05:49 PM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  My grandma whenever she would eat almonds she would soak them in a bowl of water overnight and peel the skin. Long before anybody knew anything about "activated" nuts.

Why did she peel them (and how, now that I think of it)? Some argue that after soaking the skin should be left on.

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I do not know why. She just peeled them because of tradition I guess. Maybe when science catches up to tradition we will realise there was a sound reason for it.
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Im 100 % strict carnivore.

I eat beef only. Mostly beef ribs, beef marrow, beef broth and beef liver (raw) .

I stopped the eggs, bacon, ch8cken etc a few weeks back and the difference was noticeable.

I just feel like for the money you cannot beat the nutritional and satiated value of beef. Sure eggs and chicken are cheap, but they make me feel not so good andnIve got to eat much more in weight and volume compared to beef to be satiated.

Ive lost about 20 lbs of fat and gained some dense muscles. My health has drasticly improved in all regards. I started the diet for autoimmune reasons but i would reccomend it to anyone.
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(01-15-2020 06:20 PM)Iconoclast007 Wrote:  Im 100 % strict carnivore.

I eat beef only. Mostly beef ribs, beef marrow, beef broth and beef liver (raw) .

I stopped the eggs, bacon, ch8cken etc a few weeks back and the difference was noticeable.

I just feel like for the money you cannot beat the nutritional and satiated value of beef. Sure eggs and chicken are cheap, but they make me feel not so good andnIve got to eat much more in weight and volume compared to beef to be satiated.

Ive lost about 20 lbs of fat and gained some dense muscles. My health has drasticly improved in all regards. I started the diet for autoimmune reasons but i would reccomend it to anyone.

If you like beef, try lamb/mutton. It's beef++ basically.
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(01-10-2020 10:53 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Quality of meat is definitely a factor. I used to think that decent quality meat was just about taste and texture but since I've been on this diet I've come to realise it's a lot more important than just those two factors.

On the occasions I've had to buy meat from the supermarket it hasn't left me feeling as revitalized as when I get it from my local butcher.

I suspect this has to do with the fact that butchers tend to give animals a dignified death. I have no evidence, but I think if you butcher an animal with a machine, it just isn't as good.

If you treat it well, give it a good life (or whatever constitutes a good life for a food animal) and then kill it, cleanse the meat and sell it, you're selling more nourishing food.

I've noticed the same thing about wild game meat. There's just some intangible quality to it lacking in farmed animals.

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I've definitely considered Carnivore, but I don't know how anyone deals with going out to eat.
Are you just ordering steaks? Picking the beef out of sandwiches?
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Going out to eat is kryptonite for any diet, really. I used to love going to restaurants, and I still do occasionally, but the way my colleagues eat at restaurants every day seems stressful and unhealthy to me.
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(01-16-2020 12:17 AM)kel Wrote:  Going out to eat is kryptonite for any diet, really. I used to love going to restaurants, and I still do occasionally, but the way my colleagues eat at restaurants every day seems stressful and unhealthy to me.

I agree. I cook most of my meals.
However, given how strict the carnivore diet is and how cheating can basically ruin your day in the bathroom, I'm just am wondering -- like if you go on a date or are having lunch with a friend, these things always happen regardless of your normal eating habits.

It doesn't seem like you can do the carnivore diet without being strict given the gut/intestinal flora changes and how you won't be able to tolerate much of anything after being on it for a while.
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You go to a place that serves steak and tell the waitstaff not to cook it in vegetable oil, substitute sides for bacon, and if steak isn't an option then eggs and bacon or bunless burgers *(omelets sometimes have pancake batter mixed in and everything egg is fried in vegetable oil but that's all one can do unfortunately). Keto and Atkins have been around a long while and most restaurants are aware of a low carb diet.
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(01-16-2020 11:47 AM)flanders Wrote:  You go to a place that serves steak and tell the waitstaff not to cook it in vegetable oil, substitute sides for bacon, and if steak isn't an option then eggs and bacon or bunless burgers *(omelets sometimes have pancake batter mixed in and everything egg is fried in vegetable oil but that's all one can do unfortunately). Keto and Atkins have been around a long while and most restaurants are aware of a low carb diet.

I don't think it's going to work for most situations. Steak is usually the priciest thing on the menu and if we go to a more casual joint, it may not be an option at all. I cringe when people make elaborate substitutions at restaurants...
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I've been 100% carnivore for a week now with the prior few months being carnivore adjacent-- very low carbs mostly from fruit and a small amount of bread or oatmeal. I wasn't able to completely cut out the carbs because I still had lingering hunger. I'm already relatively lean so I didn't want to lose any weight. What got me over the hump was adding more fat. I discovered this by eating a 1 lb pork belly and feeling full for about 10 hours. Pork bellies have now become a big part of my diet along with organ meat and high fat ground beef. I also have a glass of hot bone broth every evening with a tablespoon of duck fat added to it.
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Steak is easy to do at home, even if you're into elaborate sauces and preparations. Not only do you get hit with a huge premium for steak at restaurants, but you also pay through the nose for wine. I like to eat out for stuff I can't do at home, like dim sum, curries or other ethnic fare.

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As far as eating out goes, my local Chinese buffet has all you can eat prime rib on the steam table. Another option is Brazilian like fogo de chao.

Here’s the other thing. I eat choice or prime grade ribeye 4-5 nights a week. I cook them sous vide and sear on my charcoal grill at 1000 degrees. What’s the treat in me going to a restaurant? So I can pay 3X as much for a steak that’s probably not as good as I can make myself? If a restaurant doesn’t have a basic steak on the menu, I don’t eat there. Obviously there are what I call critical exceptions. Big family dinner, work meeting, etc. you just make it work. Once ketosis becomes the norm, you can jump back in pretty quick.

TBH, any woman I date at this point will need to be onboard with this. I wouldn’t date a vegan. I doubt a vegan would be interested In me. But the real reason is that I don’t really get sick anymore. I don’t have off days. So I’m not inclined to have much patience for people who get sick and have off days because they eat too much inflammatory garbage.
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(01-04-2020 02:10 PM)Diocletian Wrote:  Not sure what country you're located in, but at least in the US Kroger's chains often have chicken livers in the poultry case. You might also check out your local Hispanic/Asian/Middle Eastern/etc. markets, those types of places often have organ meats.



Ideally I am looking for a grass finished beef liver but I don't want to have to go through the trouble of placing special order with local farmers and then making special trips for them. It would just be a hell of a lot of work for that.
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(01-04-2020 04:30 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  .
When I started on 12/1 I weighed 195lbs. 5 weeks later I’m at 183/184.

Ive considered this diet as well...but the weight loss stuff is DEFINITELY NOT what I'm after. I'm trying to make gains in weight (healthily) I just hit hard roadblock after roadblock with my current stomach situation (25% after accident 15 years ago)

I do feel good although when I've eaten a lean hamburger with bacon and mustard on whole wheat.

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Although it is not advisable to count calories on carnivore diet, the general ratio of fat to protein calories is important. Stefansson and Paleomedicina advise this diet to actually be a high fat diet with around 80%+ of caloric intake coming from fat. This can be a bit of an issue at the start as most people's digestive tracts are not used to this amount of animal fat in their diet, but it gets better over time. Also, the meat in general is not as high fat as it was 100+years ago, so it can be harder to source so much fat calories if you just have access to leaner meat and you may be required to add bone marrow or suet/tallow. So if somebody is having trouble with low energy or with keeping the weight on this way of eating, they are probably simply not eating enough (fat).
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I've thought about doing strict keto/carnivore when I'm cutting (which I will be soon), but indeed keeping the fat that high and protein low seems like a challenge. Lots of eggs, I guess. Even the fattiest cut of meat doesn't seem to fit. I like cream, which is high fat, and butter even more so, but I don't think I'm getting enough butter in my diet to be a meaningful source of calories.
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I've discovered that being on carnivore while suffering a head cold is somewhat suckful because bread was a mainstay for sucking up mucus that built up in my stomach (yes, a lovely picture, I'm aware).

My shrunken stomach plus a lack of bread products meant that I was reduced to vomiting several times a day to expel the products of my rear-nose drip (yes, a lovely picture, I'm aware).

On the upside I beat the virus in record time. I also realised that you really have to have strong soup-game to get through something like that on the carnivore diet short of simply fasting through the whole ordeal. I was not inclined to eat any solid meats during the time I was infected and it was only after I found some soup in a can at the back of the cupboard the I was able to get some decent nutrition into my guts.

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Obsessing about the minutiae of diet is homosexual.

That said, eating only animal flesh, isn't homosexual.

Which leaves me feeling confused & unsure about this carnivore business.
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(01-16-2020 11:47 AM)flanders Wrote:  You go to a place that serves steak and tell the waitstaff not to cook it in vegetable oil, substitute sides for bacon, and if steak isn't an option then eggs and bacon or bunless burgers *(omelets sometimes have pancake batter mixed in and everything egg is fried in vegetable oil but that's all one can do unfortunately). Keto and Atkins have been around a long while and most restaurants are aware of a low carb diet.

I don't think it's going to work for most situations. Steak is usually the priciest thing on the menu and if we go to a more casual joint, it may not be an option at all. I cringe when people make elaborate substitutions at restaurants...

Then just eat a large steak or pile of ground beef before you leave the house, go to the restaurant, and order whatever cheap item has the most meat and the least carbs in it. Bacon double cheeseburger, give away the sides. That's maybe $12 at most restaurants.

Or just go to the restaurant, say you ate earlier, hang out, and have a diet soda. Women do that sort of thing all the time. People pretend to be concerned about it but nobody cares.

Try field testing any of my suggestions and see if it works for yourself if you're interested in reaping the rewards of zero carb without becoming a social pariah. I do any/all of the above in restaurants on a regular basis and have had no issues. If you go to your regular haunts and tip 15% literally nobody cares. You're just the guy who avoids bread and fries.
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(01-17-2020 03:59 PM)Elmore Wrote:  Obsessing about the minutiae of diet is homosexual.

That said, eating only animal flesh, isn't homosexual.

Which leaves me feeling confused & unsure about this carnivore business.

I did an almost carnivore diet for about a week. Easiest shopping I've ever done. This is what I bought:

Steak, chicken liver, raw milk, and eggs.

I need some carbs to function, but it's an easy diet since you basically eat the same thing every day. Definitely not homosexual.

(01-17-2020 04:56 PM)flanders Wrote:  Try field testing any of my suggestions and see if it works for yourself if you're interested in reaping the rewards of zero carb without becoming a social pariah. I do any/all of the above in restaurants on a regular basis and have had no issues. If you go to your regular haunts and tip 15% literally nobody cares. You're just the guy who avoids bread and fries.

Yeah, no one cares. I worked in the service industry for a few years - we don't care unless you're rude to us. We have so much stuff to do that we don't have time to care about you only getting water or ordering a burger with no buns.

Most waiters know about the low carb diet anyway. You're definitely not the first customer that has ordered a burger with no buns. Or only ordered a water.
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