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(01-31-2020 12:05 PM)Graft Wrote:  Are they going to wife up your average portly 32 year old who makes 80k per year? Probably not, the chick is going to be pretty good looking, highly educated, and making good money. But the point still stands.

1. Most woman are not pretty good looking. Most woman also do not preserve their beauty till they are 35.

2. Most woman do not have a good education (that is excluding arts/bs colleges) at a useful to society field.

3. Most single woman (kids or not) are pretty much broke and the better ones are doing 40k/year corporate drones jobs.

4. You are talking about 45 year old male. That's a 10-15 year gap which is big for most of the world let alone the USA.

You are talking about the intersection of these 3. There is really a very small number of woman that fit each criteria let alone the 3 of them. So if your $250k-$1m/year banker get married to that, I'd say he did pretty well. He is rare but so are these types of woman.

Let's get real, remember the HighSchool/College. How many woman in your class were really "HOT". How many girls in your class were really smart. How many of these girls were dedicated enough to pursue the education. You'd be lucky to find one.
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(01-31-2020 01:48 PM)lookslikeit Wrote:  
(01-31-2020 12:05 PM)Graft Wrote:  Are they going to wife up your average portly 32 year old who makes 80k per year? Probably not, the chick is going to be pretty good looking, highly educated, and making good money. But the point still stands.

1. Most woman are not pretty good looking. Most woman also do not preserve their beauty till they are 35.

2. Most woman do not have a good education (that is excluding arts/bs colleges) at a useful to society field.

3. Most single woman (kids or not) are pretty much broke and the better ones are doing 40k/year corporate drones jobs.

4. You are talking about 45 year old male. That's a 10-15 year gap which is big for most of the world let alone the USA.

You are talking about the intersection of these 3. There is really a very small number of woman that fit each criteria let alone the 3 of them. So if your $250k-$1m/year banker get married to that, I'd say he did pretty well. He is rare but so are these types of woman.

Let's get real, remember the HighSchool/College. How many woman in your class were really "HOT". How many girls in your class were really smart. How many of these girls were dedicated enough to pursue the education. You'd be lucky to find one.

1. I would agree with that, but most betabux guys don't care about "the wall" or anything like that. They only care how good she looks relative to her peer group.

2. It really doesn't matter what she majored in. The point I'm trying to make is that these women aren't white trash dropouts with a criminal record. They are most likely pretty intelligent and successful.

3. Again, I agree with this, but it's not my point. My point is that the upper quartile of 30+ female earners are making $100k plus (which is not that hard to do, even in a bullshit career), and they appeal to older, upper middle class men with less options.

4. I definitely was not talking about a 250-400k guy. Most 250-400k guys in their 40s will settle for pretty much any mediocre looking, college educated chick in her 30s. I was talking about a seven figure earner in his 40s, not wanting to go the sugar baby route, not an outlier in terms of looks/youth. He would be an extreme exception if he pulled any chick in her 20s.

A good example of real world SMV:

   

Scaramucci was making a million per month and pulled a 30 year old from the office. Granted, she was probably a lot sexier 10 years ago when he met her, but don't act like these guys are out pulling 21 year olds.

The reality for most high, but not sky high earners (250,000-1,000,000) in their 40s and even 30s is meeting a post wall chick in the office.

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(01-31-2020 12:05 PM)Graft Wrote:  Even guys like Russell Wilson or Evan Spiegel will do it.

I've met Evan Spiegel IRL and I strongly suspected he was gay (or asexual or something). His (planned? completed?) marriage further cements that for me.
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(01-31-2020 02:39 PM)Graft Wrote:  The reality for most high, but not sky high earners (250,000-1,000,000) in their 40s and even 30s is meeting a post wall chick in the office.


Id wager most guys in the upper part of that range know better and do better.

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Any high net value dude who settles is making a mistake, at least in my eyes. Making 250K p.A. (or more) over 30 years is enough to retire in a nice part of many attractive countries on this planet, with plenty of left over for medical care, great food and a live in assistant. That sort of retirement fund even leaves room for the occasional above average courtesan.
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Plenty of high value dudes are absolutely pathetic in their understanding of the sexual marketplace. Elon Musk married the same post-wall woman he divorced; Jeff Bezos lost 35 billion getting divorce raped to be with a 50-something broad.

Meanwhile, Charles Manson married a decent looking 20-something who fawned all over him, while in prison.

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Not sure what part of the world lookslikeit lives in, but what everyone else is saying about the SMV is true. I've seen it with my own two eyes more times than I can count, along with everyone else's anecdotal evidence.

Anyhow, the problem with most high value men is that they are not in a "settle down" mindset because in a nutshell, we live in a degenerate culture. When a man is high value, instead of finding a nice girl who is at minimum 5 years his junior to marry and have kids with, he will "enjoy the fruits of his labor" and start Gaming women to gain casual sex until he gets bored because hey, that's what you're supposed to do...once the boredom settles in and he has done irreparable emotional and physical damage tons of women, he settles with a woman (old) who is equally as bored and broken as he is of having casual sex.

Finding a young girl to settle down with who is not broken by the society is not easy these days thanks in part to every single person who participates in casual sex and damages themselves, as well as the other person. If High value men for example, lived up to some moral standard and started to demand young virgins/very low body count women, instead of trying to seek having sterile sex with IG models and other sluts, maybe some change would start to happen.
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(01-31-2020 06:20 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(01-31-2020 02:39 PM)Graft Wrote:  The reality for most high, but not sky high earners (250,000-1,000,000) in their 40s and even 30s is meeting a post wall chick in the office.


Id wager most guys in the upper part of that range know better and do better.

I would certainly wager against you, PT.

I didn't grow up in a super wealthy area, but my parents had a decent amount of friends in that upper range (and even more.) I watched them go through divorces in their 40s and 50s and try to date afterwards. Pretty much all of them met a previously married partner in the office or at the country club.

Keep in mind 750k-1M annual income is very high compared to the rest of the country, but it's pretty much average in whatever suburb these guys are living in.

I've also talked about a guy I know in that range, perennial bachelor, tall, good looking, 9/10 game level, worth about $15 million in NYC. He's pretty much the guy that all my doubters on RVF would say dates exclusively beautiful young women. He dated dozens of pretty good looking women (6-8 range), but only in the 30+ post wall category.

In all honesty the only time I've seen a legitimate relationship between a sub 25 woman and a post 40 rich man is if he's a club owner or celebrity.

Young women don't give a flying fuck about money unless they are directly receiving the checks, and some lawyer or corporate VP is boring to her compared to the guys in her social circle.

Not to mention, why on earth would a beautiful woman with options date a 45 year old in that income range when she can date a guy almost half his age making $300k?

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If you turn control of the formerly courtship market over to kids you will get Lord of The Bangs. But in this tale Piggy doesn't die in an attempt to save civilisation. It falls while he is batting off to eGirls.

It's a mess primarily characterised by men, but more so women with varying missestimations of their marriageable value. And little conception of how to navigate the anarchic market.

Parents no longer provide any wisdom to their child's matchmaking based on a model that has sustained a contiguous society for over 1,000 years. And since they were raised on Jane Fonda and Playboy they probably couldn't if they tried. Hence why they didn't bother and have let their daughters flock onto Tinder, which half of men hope is a sex vending machine.

A big factor in the misestimation comes from the number of partners and advances. If a girl is only allowed one shot, she will be careful and judge more clearly. When she does get attention it's special. Whereas the average 6 has attention burnout. Abundance breeds terrible decisions.

If a guy is only allowed one shot then the natural Chadwick needs to blow his beans and gets himself off the market as soon as with a 16/17 year old. Then the successive lower levels of bachelors can select, eventually leaving the troglodytes to each other. While now they are at mom's crying themselves to sleep despite having Boob World at their fingertips.

The dating market needs to go. Completely.
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The wealthier a country gets, the more its fertility rate goes down. Why live for a better future for your kids when the better future is available now for you?
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(02-03-2020 05:46 PM)Graft Wrote:  In all honesty the only time I've seen a legitimate relationship between a sub 25 woman and a post 40 rich man is if he's a club owner or celebrity.

Possible to correct, just lose the wealth and gain the attitude. Notice the Isis fighter, Imam, recently released paroiee, death cult leader, etc. They're often with younger, obedient and peak fertility women. There just has to be a hook - often involving danger and always with nothing but respect for the guy.

Maybe that isn't realistic or legitimate in the country club scene, but who wants to get divorced at 50ish only to be stuck with the same generation dating pool anyway? I have a successful friend with three grown children who only just got divorced three years ago at about 48. He's about to marry a 45ish woman with a 6 year old. Essentially, she was the nearest apple that fell out of the tree. Guy's barely re-entered the dating market and buys into the "I have limited options" mindset, I guess. Not sure he could pull a 24 year old but there's got to be better options, even in the decayed west.

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(02-04-2020 12:38 AM)gework Wrote:  If you turn control of the formerly courtship market over to kids you will get Lord of The Bangs. But in this tale Piggy doesn't die in an attempt to save civilisation. It falls while he is batting off to eGirls.

It's a mess primarily characterised by men, but more so women with varying missestimations of their marriageable value. And little conception of how to navigate the anarchic market.


Parents no longer provide any wisdom to their child's matchmaking based on a model that has sustained a contiguous society for over 1,000 years. And since they were raised on Jane Fonda and Playboy they probably couldn't if they tried. Hence why they didn't bother and have let their daughters flock onto Tinder, which half of men hope is a sex vending machine.

A big factor in the misestimation comes from the number of partners and advances. If a girl is only allowed one shot, she will be careful and judge more clearly. When she does get attention it's special. Whereas the average 6 has attention burnout. Abundance breeds terrible decisions.

If a guy is only allowed one shot then the natural Chadwick needs to blow his beans and gets himself off the market as soon as with a 16/17 year old. Then the successive lower levels of bachelors can select, eventually leaving the troglodytes to each other. While now they are at mom's crying themselves to sleep despite having Boob World at their fingertips.

The dating market needs to go. Completely.

Nobody appreciates a mature market, until they don't have it.

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(02-04-2020 12:38 PM)gringoed Wrote:  The wealthier a country gets, the more its fertility rate goes down. Why live for a better future for your kids when the better future is available now for you?

In general yes... but it is certainly possible for a country to be rich and also have a high fertility rate. The model for western countries to follow is: Israel.

Israel has a higher GDP per capita than France, UK and Japan and yet it also has a higher fertility rate than numerous Islamic countries and African countries.

Israel's fertility rate is 3.1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_so...ility_rate

"Pro-natalist Israel is having a sustained baby boom, and now has the highest per capita rate of population growth in the developed world, experts say.

Families here have an average of 3.1 children, compared with 1.7 in other developed countries. At this rate Israel’s population, which currently numbers 8.7 million, could soar to 15 million by 2050.

Birthrates have long been especially high among ultra-Orthodox Jews, a small if highly visible minority in Israel, with the average family having close to seven children.

But even among secular Jews, three children is the norm. Families with one and even two children are often looked upon with pity."

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-E...Here-s-why
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Jews procreate at a high rate because they've been raised with this mentality that they have to replace the "6 million" lost in WWII. Simple as.
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(02-05-2020 11:34 AM)Thriller Wrote:  But even among secular Jews, three children is the norm. Families with one and even two children are often looked upon with pity."

This is not true in my observation, and indeed if the ultra-orthodox were having seven, the conservative five, and "even among the secular" three were the norm, then the fertility rate would be a lot higher than 3.1.

If it continues, I suspect the country would be majority haredim within a few decades. It won't come to that, though, because the country can not support that many people who don't work or fight.
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My son 13 told me at school they're learning about reproduction and they're shown videos of stretchmarks and stretched out titties from breastfeeding and all the girls are like "eww I'm not doing that."
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Israel is a flawed example. Their population growth has been artificially supported by the subsidized war fighting, billions in gifted money, and industrial espionage they've impudently committed for the past three quarters of a century against their guilt ridden goyim benefactors. This is to say nothing of how the modern state was founded - by external fiat and forcibly appropriated land.

Even then, they are being out-bred by the Arabs who surround them. Not sure they can ever catch up no matter how many congressmen they control.

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(02-05-2020 02:06 PM)St_Johnson Wrote:  My son 13 told me at school they're learning about reproduction and they're shown videos of stretchmarks and stretched out titties from breastfeeding and all the girls are like "eww I'm not doing that."

I'm not surprised...this would explain why mother's on the younger side that I know and have heard of, being hesitant or outright refusing to breastfeed, giving the excuses that you mentioned. They instead opt for using formula, which the vast majority are based on SOY. It really infuriates me knowing that mothers are refusing to do quite possibly the basic, natural and most important duty of breastfeeding their child for reasons so vain.

It's insanity when the culture has indoctrinated women to fear breastfeeding because it may do some damage to their skin, and instead feed their kid an inferior, artificial product that will guarantee the kid will have gastrointestinal, hormone, immune system and allergy problems in the future. Very sad.
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(02-05-2020 11:41 AM)Augustus_Principe Wrote:  Jews procreate at a high rate because they've been raised with this mentality that they have to replace the "6 million" lost in WWII. Simple as.

Yep exactly, that further proves my point. If a government can successfully brainwash their people about natalism and the 6 gorillion, then in theory there's absolutely no reason why a Western nation can not replicate this exact same strategy and successfully educate their people about natalism and the 65 million killed by Bolsheviks (the super secret never taught to Europeans).

(02-05-2020 12:23 PM)kel Wrote:  
(02-05-2020 11:34 AM)Thriller Wrote:  But even among secular Jews, three children is the norm. Families with one and even two children are often looked upon with pity."

This is not true in my observation, and indeed if the ultra-orthodox were having seven, the conservative five, and "even among the secular" three were the norm, then the fertility rate would be a lot higher than 3.1.

No, because according to wikipedia 16% of Israelis are Haredi or Ultra-Orthodox, therefore only 16% x 7 children wouldn't be enough to skew to average too high above 3.1 because secular Jews are having a lot less. Read the article.

(02-05-2020 10:24 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  Israel is a flawed example.

Of course it's a flawed example, it's a very unique example because it's the only country allowed to be ultra nationalistic whilst ironically using all its power to replace the population only in white nations. My point is that there's so so so much western countries can learn by simply copying their fertility rate winning formula.

Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread, I simply responding to the statement that "gringoed" made.
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We need to stress to younger women that they will bounce back quicker after birth as a young woman than when she's older, and each birth makes the next easier, such that the children she bears in her early twenties will make her last pregnancy in her 30s much easier.
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It's also disgusting that I'm seeing posts saying "It's ok to get married and have kids at 40"

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(02-24-2020 11:51 PM)2 Cool 4 U Wrote:  It's also disgusting that I'm seeing posts saying "It's ok to get married and have kids at 40"

I honestly don't care what happens to the US at this point. I've gotten rid of any emotional investment I had towards dating culture in my homeland.

Between this, Female Dating Strategy, careerist/post wall messaging, age gap shaming, the choice can't be clearer for me to get my finances in order, pack my bags and move abroad for a better life.

My ancestors did it for different reasons, and I'll have to do it to. A small hiccup in an otherwise prosperous and fulfilling life.

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(02-24-2020 11:51 PM)2 Cool 4 U Wrote:  It's also disgusting that I'm seeing posts saying "It's ok to get married and have kids at 40"

I honestly don't care what happens to the US at this point. I've gotten rid of any emotional investment I had towards dating culture in my homeland.

Between this, Female Dating Strategy, careerist/post wall messaging, age gap shaming, the choice can't be clearer for me to get my finances in order, pack my bags and move abroad for a better life.

My ancestors did it for different reasons, and I'll have to do it to. A small hiccup in an otherwise prosperous and fulfilling life.

I don't know how much better you're going to find it elsewhere. I've lived in several countries on four different continents and globohomo is really everywhere. Granted, I was always in cosmopolises, and that's the real dividing line. Big, financial and political capitals are the most degenerate places - good if you're a degenerate like I was (am?), bad if you want something more meaningful and/or think the house of cards is going to come tumbling down in medium-term future as I do. Smaller cities are a bit better, or at least more mixed. I don't know about rural areas, but I'll be finding out soon enough. The internet spreads globohomo everywhere, but IRL still matters and just in my observations of main cities versus smaller cities the difference is still noticeable.

I have no attachment to the US in terms of the political unit, but I think geographically it's not a bad place to be, and I don't know where I'd go that would be better without involving an offsetting tradeoff. I could live and work legally in the EU, but that seems like a lateral trade at best.

Me, I'm sticking it out here, I think. Just need to find the right place and build my community around me.
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RE: Dating culture falls even further: Women think it's cool to be a childless cat lady
(02-25-2020 03:04 PM)Graft Wrote:  My ancestors did it for different reasons, and I'll have to do it to. A small hiccup in an otherwise prosperous and fulfilling life.

It is quite amusing when you are very aware of your immigrant history and it dawns on you that you are doing pretty much the same thing they did, moving for a "better life." People look or act like you're crazy but then you think of the America that used to be, sigh, and look forward to greener pastures if you can, if you plan. I'm with you Graft.
02-25-2020 10:40 PM
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(02-25-2020 03:04 PM)Graft Wrote:  
(02-24-2020 11:51 PM)2 Cool 4 U Wrote:  It's also disgusting that I'm seeing posts saying "It's ok to get married and have kids at 40"

I honestly don't care what happens to the US at this point. I've gotten rid of any emotional investment I had towards dating culture in my homeland.

Between this, Female Dating Strategy, careerist/post wall messaging, age gap shaming, the choice can't be clearer for me to get my finances in order, pack my bags and move abroad for a better life.

My ancestors did it for different reasons, and I'll have to do it to. A small hiccup in an otherwise prosperous and fulfilling life.

Move to somewhere in the U.S. where you want to be and wait it out.

Just because gender roles and relations are upside down today doesn't mean they will be that way forever.

If you study history, really study history, it becomes clear a great crisis is coming up very soon.

About every 80 years in every country there is a real war (war where human life means nothing - citizens are targeted, cities, etc.) and a massive economic collapse.

1783 was the end of the Revolutionary War.

1783 + 80 = 1863, where the American Civil War began at 1865.

1865 was the end of the American Civil War.

1865 + 80 = 1945, close to when we entered WWII.

1945 + 80 = 2025

The kind of crisis that is coming will reset gender relations and change the way people live.

Use the time now to get as ready as you can, enjoy the peace we have now, and the little things that won't be around when the crisis starts.
02-26-2020 02:49 PM
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