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I don't think it's as big of deal in modern times because now you can give your kids HGH injections to make them taller.
11-26-2019 04:21 PM
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I think it'd be a mistake to move away from marriage with an otherwise deserving candidate solely on the matter of height.

You're short and doing just fine; it's conceivable your sons, should you have any, will as well.

If you don't get married to this woman solely over fears about height, you've got another problem you should work through and it's nothing to do with anyone but yourself.

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11-28-2019 12:03 AM
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Will go against the grain here and say this is a legitimate issue OP.

Every parent wants to provide the best for their children, and what many don't realize is that genetics plays a major part in that. Certain inherent advantages bestowed upon a child allows him/her to "win from the starting line" as some say in Asia.

There is a 50% chance you will have a girl, and height or the lack of it will pose little to no concern. However, as a man, you cannot be expected to be evaluated just by the resources you provide in this day and age. Your exterior is becoming more and more paramount as modern feminism and women's economic independence grows with each passing day. The difficulties a man of below average height will face not only in the dating market, but also in the corporate world, is something only he will know, whether he admits it's an issue or not. Hence, the possibility of having a boy is what triggers this dilemma.

Short girls are usually the ones who are more selective about their partner's height, and it could be part obsession/fascination but most would admit that having taller offspring by "breeding out" the shortness is something on their mind. This is something average height girls may not consider as much simply because they have not experienced the short spectrum of life, just like average/tall men who think this is could be a total non-issue.

It is not simply a question of "tall children vs devoted mother", it is about achieving a balance without resorting to extremes and to counter what your personal genetic makeup cannot provide. There are certain traits that have been proven to be determined more by genes than nurture and education, height and IQ are two of them. By no means am I suggesting these are the only determinants of success in life, and by no means am I suggesting you to dump her, but to believe this is just a matter of vanity is nonsense. You have to consider your options to achieve the best balance.
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The most successful man I know is short. 5'5"ish. Snagged the hottest girl in a nearly all male college, has three children, flew jets in the Airforce for a decade and now makes 200k flying commercially.
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I would not recommend ditching a good girl because she's tiny but yeah, height matters. I'm 6'2, the ideal height for a man. Most of my life I had no game, but women still fell into my lap from time to time. I don't think that would have happened if I had been 5'5 and equally awkward.

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Im also short and I can relate to you. I didn't help you that much in my previous post here, but 5'6 still isn't short for a woman. Of course I understand that that was an example and not your girl. I'm shorter than you. I also had shorter girls (5'3-4) with tall brothers. You can also look into that (are her male relatives short or not?).

That said, with your height I wouldn't worry that much,. I had a short girl like yours, and I had the same issues. But there were other things (behavioural) that brought us apart. If she ticks all the boxed I wouldn't discard her for this.

But I can understand the biology, and it's kinda fucked for short men (Im talking shorter than you) to be in this loop, because we don't want the same for our children. For me the best would be a girl of 5'4-5'8, I don't even prefer the tallest but I would prefer just a bit shorter than me.
11-29-2019 02:35 PM
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One factor we are overlooking is extreme size differences may be harmful to the mother during pregnancy.

A teacher of mine's partner was 19 inches taller than her, and she sustained a long term back injury.

All else being equal, I'd prefer someone about half a foot shorter than me as I'm big and want my future sons to experience the same privilege.

That and don't want neck pain.
11-30-2019 02:59 AM
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(11-18-2019 02:31 PM)RedKurrant Wrote:  I'm the same height as you and my LTR is bang on 5ft. The height of our future children has never crossed my mind, and I don't think it particularly matters anyway.

If it is a concern for you, you should bear in mind that just because your LTR is tiny it does not mean you are destined to have short children. Height is a polygenic trait. This means that it's affected by a bunch of different genes. Because it's polygenic, there are lots of different genetic combinations that can yield a wide variety of different heights. It's therefore a possibility that you could have children with a taller woman, but they end up being quite short.

In short (pardon the pun), your LTR's height is no guarantee of having short children. It would be silly to end things with someone over something so trivial.

It does definitely matter if you cross a specific "height line". Of course it's not 100% sure to have a short son with a 5 'wife, but the chances are much higher than with a taller woman. We don't have to deny reality here.

(11-19-2019 12:09 AM)911 Wrote:  short woman around 5'6", their kid is a freshman who is over 6'2", and big boned. Both parents are workaholics, he grew up eating a lot of fast food (happy meals etc).

A 5'6" woman isn't short, that is taller than the average for a woman in every country in the world. Thats like calling a 6' man short.

@OP I'll write you a PM, i am in the same situation.

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Why are people acting as if there's some kind of either/or dichotomy between mothering instincts and height?

We're not creating an RPG build here, where putting too many points in Melee Attack means you have to neglect Stamina.

There are tons of women of average to above average height who would make fine mothers. Eastern Europe is filled with tall women. And even in Asia, there's no problem finding women who are 5'6" and above.

Should OP break up with an otherwise good woman that's he been dating for 2 years because of her height? Probably not. However, I don't see why a man wouldn't take height into consideration when looking for a partner. It obviously shouldn't be your main priority, but it's something to keep in mind.
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(12-19-2019 10:47 AM)Davinator Wrote:  A 5'6" woman isn't short, that is taller than the average for a woman in every country in the world. Thats like calling a 6' man short.

True, 5'6" is the average height for a female in NL, the tallest or at least top 3 height country in the world.
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12-20-2019 02:41 AM
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Example:

My sister is 5'5 and I am 5'11. She is an inch or so taller than our mom and I am eye to eye with our dad. My sister's husband is around 5'9. Their son was taller than me by age 16 and now he's 6'2 at 19. Their daughter is just slightly shorter than me at 15. My wife is 5'8. My kids are still very young but they are both off their respective height charts; noticeably taller than most kids their age. My sister's kids are a lot of last food coming up, as as their parents were workaholics. Mine eat mostly home cooked meals.

The point is I don't see much of a relationship, in this case anyway, to the kids vs the parents heights. I do suspect the growth hormones in meats these days might play a role.

Keep the LTR if your only concern is her height, man.

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12-21-2019 07:58 AM
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I'm dating a girl who is 5'10 and I'm 5'7 just so my kids will be tall. She's a solid 6.5-7 and i'm maybe a 5 (given below average height and average looks, probably even a 4 but I'm at least well educated and smart) but the height mismatch is strange to others. Doesn't bother me (or apparently her) much though.
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I wouldn’t let her height be a dealbreaker since it seems like everything else about her is good. It’s hard to find good people. I’ll just give my own height for example. I’m 5’5, so yeah, considered short. Yes, there are challenges and disadvantages to being my height, sure. However, it’s not the worst thing in the world and I’d say my life is still successful. In case it’ll be helpful for you, my father is 5’1 and mother is 4’9. Just my own experience though, so take it as you will.
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You do have a valid concern about the height of your offspring. If you were to have a son, if he ends up short, that is like a death sentence in the sexual marketplace in the west. Which means your son will struggle in social interactions and inter-personal relationships, as you know both women and society perceive taller men as a more masculine and more suitable for leadership, senior, and other important jobs in the corporate world.

The other guys telling you the only thing that matters is having a devoted mother are unfortunately short-sighted, they are only thinking about your end of the bargain but not the consequences of having a son who could be 5'5" which is what some people mock as a 'manlet'.


The only blame I place on you is if you knew you wanted to have children down the road, why in the hell did you get involved with a midget woman of 5'0"-5'1" you idiot. If it was for bangs or pass time then fine, but at some point you should have cut it off before 2 years. I know a girl exactly that height and as a 6'2" guy I wouldn't being fathering kids with a woman that short.
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(11-28-2019 08:18 PM)RIslander Wrote:  The most successful man I know is short. 5'5"ish. Snagged the hottest girl in a nearly all male college, has three children, flew jets in the Airforce for a decade and now makes 200k flying commercially.



Yeah thats called an outlier, as in, someone not mean't to be taken for an example.

In reality, most 5'5" guys will struggle severely in the sexual marketplace in the West. Even if they made good money, because the first thing women and society will notice is physical appearance. A man whose 5'5" is pretty much a condemned man, he is considered a 'manlet' 5'5" is the height of women.

Flew jets in the Airforce? Hard to believe that. Most Airforces have strict weight and height requirements. Whether true or not he is still an outlier.
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OP needs to consider his own SMV. Truth be told, very few men will eventually find a girl to start a family with that ticks most of their boxes. In fact, many guys settle with what they can find.

If OP can't get better, than settling with a girl this short might be the best thing to do. If he can get better, he might want to find someone more suitable.

Because Design Engineer is right. In college I had a mate who was barely 1.65. That's in a country where the native men aged 18-25 are on average 20 cms taller. He was an incel before incel even became a term. He took it well, but you could still see him suffer.
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(01-02-2020 11:17 PM)La Águila Negra Wrote:  In college I had a mate who was barely 1.65. That's in a country where the native men aged 18-25 are on average 20 cms taller.

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185cm or 6'1" on average? This is not even the case in the Netherlands.

What do you guys think of addressing the topic openly with the LTR?

There is a risk for the potential future boy to lose a in the genetic lottery, even if the OP/father would be a lot taller than the OP, pure luck/bad luck.
I mean Will Smith is like 6'2" his wife is 4'11" and their son is 5'7". And then there is a friend of me 5'6" father 5" mother and he reached 5'11". Same thing with my own father.
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@Davinator I am a Dutch native myself. Can 100 percent confirm that the average height of native males my age and below is around 1.85. That's purely guesswork bytheway, but its common knowledge that people of non European descent drag the average down. And the charts/graphs you keep seeing usually include people of all ages.

I am 1.82 myself and walking through my college town I sometimes feel like a midget.

About that incorrect info: I had some trouble registering yesterday and the settings kept on reverting back every time I failed. So after a while I stopped scrolling through those lists. But I don't seem to be able to change it now. Any ideas?
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OP, if height really bothers you, just break up with your potential wife (imo, it's pretty dumb). Because if you happen to have a short son, you will definitely blame or resent your wife. Give yourself and your potential wife a break, and look for other women that you think would give birth to normal / tall son.

If a relationship is already this complicated, and you are already not satisfied with your potential wife, better find someone else that you are satisfied with.
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OP What happens if you marry, and reproduce with a taller woman who turns out to be a royal bitch, and your kids end up being short anyway?

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I'm in the same boat. My gf is 5'7" Which would be fine if I wasn't also 5'7". Because I'm so short I'd need someone at least like 5'11". I dated someone that tall before but it didn't work out
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(01-24-2020 12:39 PM)Mizuki1130 Wrote:  I'm in the same boat. My gf is 5'7" Which would be fine if I wasn't also 5'7". Because I'm so short I'd need someone at least like 5'11". I dated someone that tall before but it didn't work out

This is just absolute nonsense, expecting that you will have offspring that's 5'9'' just because that's the middle between you and your gf. How do you suppose that the average Dutch man (5'11'') doesn't doom himself mating with the average Dutch woman (5'6''), producing only 5'8'' offspring?

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You take the mean and add two inches for probable height. Its not an exact science but obviously shorter parents increase the likelihood of short children. Obviously i wasn't saying that the son is going to automatically going to be 5'9" but I guess you were trying to sound smart ir something.
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