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(10-16-2019 08:01 AM)tr1cky Wrote:  Can someone explain why a lower notch count is better? Is it only because she is less likely to leave (and/or divorce rape)?

As in, why does more notches equal less value?

There are some good points above.

Personally, I think I have trust issues with women. But then again, it is not based on nothing...

For example, I can think of a handful of women who were major sluts in high school and on who settled down, since most of them are entering or are in their 30s. The problem is that I have zero respect for the dudes who wifed up these females. It is my assumption that these guys just do not know their women the same way I happen to know them, and that makes me pity them. Maybe they just let the past be the past? But as I am realizing that it is time for something more serious than looking for hook ups, I am having a hard time seeing monogamy as a possibility in the REAL WORLD.

If I am going to invest into a female she needs to be trustworthy and honest. And if I find out a female has been with many guys, some of whom I am might disapprove of, I am likely to lose affection for her. It is an issue of disgust along with them being "damaged goods". This is why women hide these things and do not want to be perceived as sluts.
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(10-16-2019 01:05 AM)Lampwick Wrote:  
(10-16-2019 12:48 AM)Graft Wrote:  If she understands that having a low notch count=high value, then she will do whatever it takes to keep that shit as low as possible.

Or she will do whatever it takes to make it appear that shit is as low as possible, which is why this thread is needed. Even girls who are openly slutty will lie about their numbers.

The problem with this type of thinking is that she can lie anytime, anywhere. She can lie about going to the store when she's cheating. She can lie that the kid is yours. She can lie about taking your money.

You have to trust her. You can't live in fear.

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(10-16-2019 12:48 AM)Graft Wrote:  The problem with this type of thinking is that she can lie anytime, anywhere. She can lie about going to the store when she's cheating. She can lie that the kid is yours. She can lie about taking your money.

You have to trust her. You can't live in fear.

If you invest poorly in a woman, you will live in fear. That's what this thread is about: weighing past behaviors and personality traits to make a calculated risk to invest in a particular woman. Relying on women to present their slutty ways openly is not an effective means to calculate this risk, in my opinion. That's because all women are inherently aware that low notch count=high value, even if they do/say otherwise, and will use strategies to increase their perceived value along this axis. My point is not to never trust a woman. My point is to increase your chances that you are placing your trust in the right woman.
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If she took time off to travel and has used couchsurfing.com you can add anywhere from 20-200 notches to her body count

If it took more than 4 or 5 dates to get her to have full on sex with you then that is a good sign but ultimately use your judgement . If you met her at a bar and had sexual with her after one or two times of getting her to your apartment then she likely has a high notch count

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Many good points have already been made. I'll add a few that may have been missed (haven't read the whole thread) so trying not to state the obvious or repeat previously made points:

- Has always lived with parents (ideal)/family (provided they are conservative/gave her strict curfews).
"Family" should be grandparent, aunt/uncle, protective/strict older brother, NOT sister/cousin (especially if they are younger than her)
- Isn't the sexual type - likes sex as everyone, without *loving* it
- Romantic/emotional type
- Some ego/self esteem/confidence
- Knows how to say "no" (related to above)
- Doesn't like to "dance" (which basically means doesn't like going to clubs/bars)
- Morning person even on weekends (related to above)
- Doesn't drink/do drugs
- Is rather "stay home" type than active/outgoing (harder to meet people for her)
- Paranoid with health - legit fear of STD's - germaphobe type
- Little to no vagina smell

Ps: I had a several year long LTR with a virgin girl who met most of these characteristics.
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^ I can think of several girls who had many of those traits and were complete sluts, just better at hiding it.

From my experience, the one indicator that has so far never proven me wrong (as far as I know, at least) is when a girl holds sex in a very high regard and clearly believes that it is something special. These girls may even say things like "sex should be for two people who really love each other", but far more important than words is actions. A girl like this well get very shy when talking about it or referencing it, where you can tell it is something she desires though she isn't totally comfortable with it. This trait is a signal of my optimal combination for an LTR -- a sexual being who doesn't want to share it with too many people.

The problem though is that to be a better judge of women, you have to get out there and meet them. It's virtually impossible to learn this just from reading. When you have the experience, you build up a much better sense of whether a girl is genuine or full of shit.

Conversely: Best way to weed out sluts? Act very non-judgemental. Don't mention anything about having conservative values, looking for a wife, or the like. Most of the time, they'll tell you without you even needing to ask!
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1. Likes to go out to bars/nightclubs. Any girl with a vested interest (not just an occasional special occasion) in going clubbing is automatically suspect.

2. How quickly sex happens. This is kind of a tossup because of some of the biggest harlots will pretend to be good and hold out, especially as they cross 25.

3. Generally, her level of comfort with being physical. Is she awkward and nervous when you kiss her? That's a good sign. Or, is she an unhinged raven who sets your pants on fire and knows all the right moves? She had to learn that somehow. Even if she's only been with one or two guys, a new person will still make her nervous.

4. And, like RDF has said, her attitude about sex. He's totally on the money about acting non-judgemental.

5. Lived on her own is another hugeeee one.

The best way to find girls that aren't sluts is to change your demographics. Night game is going to disproportionally lead to you meeting these types of girls.

I strongly, strongly disagree with the notion that's being passed around on this forum that day game can't be used to meet nice, normal girls. If anything, that's pretty much the only way to do it if you're not working community/social circle game, particularly when in developing countries.
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(11-08-2019 09:49 AM)ArloDash Wrote:  Is she awkward and nervous when you kiss her? That's a good sign. Or, is she an unhinged raven who sets your pants on fire and knows all the right moves? She had to learn that somehow. Even if she's only been with one or two guys, a new person will still make her nervous.

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RDF is right about acting nonjudgmental in the beginning. If you espouse trad values up front, the ones you aren’t looking for will just shapeshift into angels (in other words, lie) and you could end up dating or marrying a woman you don’t even know.

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(11-08-2019 10:49 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  RDF is right about acting nonjudgmental in the beginning. If you espouse trad values up front, the ones you aren’t looking for will just ghost on you.

^Fixed

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(11-09-2019 12:43 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(11-08-2019 10:49 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  RDF is right about acting nonjudgmental in the beginning. If you espouse trad values up front, the ones you aren’t looking for will just ghost on you.

^Fixed

Boredom is to young women as daylight is to vampires

Agree

Tell a normie girl, "I'm not going to have sex with you, and I'm not going clubbing until 3 AM." Then watch her run for the hills.

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(10-16-2019 11:13 PM)RDF Wrote:  ^ I can think of several girls who had many of those traits and were complete sluts, just better at hiding it.

From my experience, the one indicator that has so far never proven me wrong (as far as I know, at least) is when a girl holds sex in a very high regard and clearly believes that it is something special. These girls may even say things like "sex should be for two people who really love each other", but far more important than words is actions. A girl like this well get very shy when talking about it or referencing it, where you can tell it is something she desires though she isn't totally comfortable with it. This trait is a signal of my optimal combination for an LTR -- a sexual being who doesn't want to share it with too many people.

The problem though is that to be a better judge of women, you have to get out there and meet them. It's virtually impossible to learn this just from reading. When you have the experience, you build up a much better sense of whether a girl is genuine or full of shit.

Conversely: Best way to weed out sluts? Act very non-judgemental. Don't mention anything about having conservative values, looking for a wife, or the like. Most of the time, they'll tell you without you even needing to ask!

True, make her feel comfortable/safe and she will spill her guts. An excellent way to do this is to take a girl on some kind of road trip. People can't keep up a facade for 8-10 hours straight sitting beside another person unless they sleep through it. Very very long hikes and crisis also work.

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(11-09-2019 12:58 PM)redbeard Wrote:  
(11-09-2019 12:43 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(11-08-2019 10:49 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  RDF is right about acting nonjudgmental in the beginning. If you espouse trad values up front, the ones you aren’t looking for will just ghost on you.

^Fixed

Boredom is to young women as daylight is to vampires

Agree

Tell a normie girl, "I'm not going to have sex with you, and I'm not going clubbing until 3 AM." Then watch her run for the hills.

Which Christian would a consider a "normie" girl?
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(11-09-2019 01:06 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  
(10-16-2019 11:13 PM)RDF Wrote:  ^ I can think of several girls who had many of those traits and were complete sluts, just better at hiding it.

From my experience, the one indicator that has so far never proven me wrong (as far as I know, at least) is when a girl holds sex in a very high regard and clearly believes that it is something special. These girls may even say things like "sex should be for two people who really love each other", but far more important than words is actions. A girl like this well get very shy when talking about it or referencing it, where you can tell it is something she desires though she isn't totally comfortable with it. This trait is a signal of my optimal combination for an LTR -- a sexual being who doesn't want to share it with too many people.

The problem though is that to be a better judge of women, you have to get out there and meet them. It's virtually impossible to learn this just from reading. When you have the experience, you build up a much better sense of whether a girl is genuine or full of shit.

Conversely: Best way to weed out sluts? Act very non-judgemental. Don't mention anything about having conservative values, looking for a wife, or the like. Most of the time, they'll tell you without you even needing to ask!

True, make her feel comfortable/safe and she will spill her guts. An excellent way to do this is to take a girl on some kind of road trip. People can't keep up a facade for 8-10 hours straight sitting beside another person unless they sleep through it. Very very long hikes and crisis also work.

Hypnosis probably works better than a long road trip. One needs her consent to be hypnotized. You need the skill to take her into trance smoothly, and bring her out safely. Google Renegade Hypnotist.
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RE: Signs of Low Notch Count in a Woman
Here's the single best litmus test I've ever found. This isn't the only factor by a long shot but it's a damn good one.


Find out her attitude towards contraception. I have yet to meet a slut who was opposed to contraception being legal.


This question more than any other cuts right to the heart of the matter. It is psychologically impossible for any girl who partakes in casual sex to say that contraception should be illegal, because her own mistakes would then be impossible and/or extremely risky. Nobody with a fear of responsibility for their actions or of committing will ever say that contraception should be illegal, because it is a tool that directly appeals to those vices. No person who believes that sex is separate from reproduction and therefore actually can be something you do just for fun will say that contraception should be illegal because it not being illegal would blow that lie apart.


In short, nobody who even remotely buys into today's cultural programming will even be able to consider the question of contraception being illegal, let alone endorse an affirmative answer to that question.

I'm sure there's some exceptions out there but so far I've noticed a near 100% correlation between women who oppose contraception and those with a zero or near-zero notch count who want to be mothers.


This is the rare time I say this but if you're Catholic I highly suggest using online dating with two sites in mind. The numbers are terrible but outshining the competition in most religious venues isn't particularly difficult if you're at least halfway masculine and have your basic shit in order.

First: AveMariaSingles is an extremely traditional site to begin with so nobody on there is going to be pozzed.

Second is use CatholicMatch. There's a lot of pozz on there BUT...big but...the site allows you to filter by people's answers on questions. Filter only for women who agree unconditionally with church teaching.
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(11-09-2019 08:51 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  Here's the single best litmus test I've ever found. This isn't the only factor by a long shot but it's a damn good one.


Find out her attitude towards contraception. I have yet to meet a slut who was opposed to contraception being legal.

Why would anyone be opposed to contraception? I don't understand...
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A person's attitude towards contraception is a much more important litmus test, than their attitude towards abortion.

Someone who fully understands male and female human nature/sexuality, would be opposed to birth control. Birth control, and to a lesser extent, abortion, eliminates the checks and balances that are at the heart of healthy sexual relations. Nature designed women (and not men) to become pregnant (a high % of the time) after sex. This high probability restricted their decision-making, and forced them to choose sexual partners wisely. By eliminating this constraint, women are now able to use their sexual power in any way they choose. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Pregnancy was nature's way to put a restriction on this power.

It's similar to how a king without constraints tends to become ruthless..that's why the US Constitution created 3 branches of government..to prevent any one branch from gaining absolute power and becoming corrupt.
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(11-09-2019 10:17 PM)jasond Wrote:  A person's attitude towards contraception is a much more important litmus test, than their attitude towards abortion.

Someone who fully understands male and female human nature/sexuality, would be opposed to birth control. Birth control, and to a lesser extent, abortion, eliminates the checks and balances that are at the heart of healthy sexual relations. Nature designed women (and not men) to become pregnant (a high % of the time) after sex. This high probability restricted their decision-making, and forced them to choose sexual partners wisely. By eliminating this constraint, women are now able to use their sexual power in any way they choose. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Pregnancy was nature's way to put a restriction on this power.

It's similar to how a king without constraints tends to become ruthless..that's why the US Constitution created 3 branches of government..to prevent any one branch from gaining absolute power and becoming corrupt.

I do not think any woman holds such views on contraception. I understand the revolution that the pill brought, but I doubt that any woman looks at it that way and wants it to be illegal. She would have to be some weirdo. Maybe I am deluded and have been around too many sluts all my life...
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There are definitely women that hold such views. If you only live in big cities on the coasts, you've probably never met them. Their numbers are small, but not non-existent. I attended the Acton Institute (http://www.acton.org) and met many of them. They tend to be concentrated in universities that you've never heard of, such as

https://www.avemaria.edu/
https://www.franciscan.edu/
https://www.benedictine.edu/

Go to these campuses, and the majority of women will be opposed to contraception.
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You’d be surprised how many women exist out there who do hold that position.

It’s a still a tiny, tiny, segment of the population but it’s still much larger than one would think at first glance.

And the main reason I’ve found that women oppose it is, as is usual with them, emotional. They opposite it either because that’s what the church says (so they know how to obey rules) or because they absolutely love children/family and find the idea of trying to not have kids repulsive on some level.

Either way works because both are characteristics of a great woman.
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(10-08-2019 06:58 PM)Eban Wrote:  Since we are going old school traditional on this forum, please let me know where to find unicorns who look good and do not have a high notch count. By now I have seen enough to bare a certain resentment towards women because of their ease of access to sex (if she looks decent) and their seemingly absent sense of integrity, especially in sexual exclusivity. I have no idea how one can go from discovering female nature and game to settling down with a wife in a traditional marriage, knowing what you know. By 25 a decent looking female is like damaged goods in my eyes. Yes, she can pretend to be a good housewife because she is approaching the wall but we all know there is a slut in there somewhere with who knows what kind of dirty thoughts. So, what are the signs of a low notch unicorn who you can trust?

Here is what I came up with:

-Sucks at giving head/sex
-Socially awkward/grew up sheltered
-Used to be ugly until her plastic surgery last year

In my experience, the easiest way to find them with reasonable likelihood is going to a church. Even then, decent portion of them are promiscuous, so it will take some time to get know the girl before you can know her trustworthiness.

The caveat is that the most of those trustworthy girls get married at a very early age, usually between 20-22 and they marry with their high school bfs. I went to a christian private high school and can tell you based on my observation.

Besides that, you can look for young girls in LTR, but that it's not like her dating history is written on her face, so idk how practical it is to quickly spot them in general.

I agree with most of the other indicators mentioned, but I think they're more useful as tools to keep your peace of mind as you date that girl.
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The only signs of a low notch count: She's had a boyfriend for almost as long as she's been sexually active or she's 18.
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How to tell if a woman has a low notch count?

Usually, you can see it in their face. Also, their overall demeanor and how they carry themselves.

"Slut face" and the "1000 cock stare" are real things.
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(02-04-2020 10:06 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  How to tell if a woman has a low notch count?

Usually, you can see it in their face. Also, their overall demeanor and how they carry themselves.

"Slut face" and the "1000 cock stare" are real things.
I don't know man, those are signals for VERY very high mileage.
What if mileage is lower but still way above the acceptable threshold of just a few men having penetrated her?
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↑ From the latest article on Roosh's blog:

"Compare the modern promiscuous woman to a virgin who worships God and shuns pre-marital sex (or a repentant woman who has confessed her past sexual mistakes). Your game, which is tuned to making promiscuous women promiscuate, is now useless. The virgin believer may be attracted to you, and may even have thoughts of sleeping with you (that she banishes from her mind through prayer), but ultimately she will not act on that lust, because she already made a vow to God to save herself for her future husband. The best “game” on her is showing your faith and your ability to protect and provide for her and any potential children." (emphasis mine)

https://www.rooshv.com/game-is-for-fallen-women

I feel like when you meet a woman like this, you can tell she is the real deal by her overall vibe and the way she carries herself. It is not something you can describe or put into words.

Any woman who does not meet these criteria (virgin who worships God or repentant woman who has confessed her past sexual sins) should probably be avoided, even if she has "only" been penetrated by a few men.

Maybe an exception can be made for women who have an innate sense of right and wrong, shun fornication and premarital sex, but just happen not to have been brought up in the Church. In other words, women who believe in God but don't realize it.
(This post was last modified: 02-05-2020 04:42 AM by Rob Banks.)
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