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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
turns out i've been wasting my time with plenty of fish when my true waifu was on youtube all along

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(12-14-2019 03:26 AM)Elmore Wrote:  Above is spot on.

I'm in Spain and just sieving through the throngs of burnt out, the blue haired, the fat, the duckfaces, all just in the hope to meet a somewhat normal, chilled girl who you might be able to have a half-decent conversation with, is soul destroying. I'm in a relatively small town, but with two big cities nearby, so have a large sample size at 50ks, and it feels just like wading through garbage pile looking for some bit of trash, that with a bit of work, might be salvageable.

It saddens the shit out of me, that this is what passes for the 'mating-game' for young people now. Only 7 years or so ago, a guy could get himself together, put a nice shirt on, hit up a few bars and chat and be social & get good results, if he worked at the skillset. Now, that age all seems gone. The 7s you approach at the bar have a never ending stack of validation, dates, and occasional sports-fucks off some Chad 9 dude, if she catches him at the right time.

It's insane how much seems to have changed at such a rapid pace.

Once many years ago I found myself divorced, in my early forties, and working overseas making a boatload of money. I was childless (otherwise I wouldn't have gone overseas) and rather than participate in the drunken debauchery around me, I just stayed home and worked out a lot when I wasn't at work, so I was very fit, kind of a Joel McHale vibe in the sense of being in my forties but still appealing to younger women, or at least I liked to think so.

I ended up meeting my trad Catholic wife over there and getting married, but if I hadn't, my plan was to work there as long as I could stand it (the job itself was soul-crushing and terrible, lucrative as it was) then take a few years off, spending my summers in Italy or eastern Europe, my winters surfing in Central America. My plan for meeting women in Central America was to have a pulse, but in Europe I was planning on doing volunteer work and going to a lot of yoga classes and not trying too hard. I think that would work a lot better than Tinder nowadays.

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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(12-14-2019 10:00 AM)bucky Wrote:  My plan for meeting women in Central America was to have a pulse, but in Europe I was planning on doing volunteer work and going to a lot of yoga classes and not trying too hard. I think that would work a lot better than Tinder nowadays.

That's really solid advice. I used to volunteer at a crisis pregnancy center in highschool; there always seemed to be a bunch of Catholic ladies volunteering there, sometimes even attractive twentysomethings.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
I'll just give my experience here. I don't do dating online or apps very often. What happens is I either meet someone and then they are my gf, or I have a few dates and give it up for years.
In the days when it was dating websites, there was all this fuss about having a really good killer profile. Now on apps like badoo, tinder etc there is hardly any of that. Which I actually like. That profile stuff was BS. Anyone can write a good profile but the person could be a terrbile person, be it men or women. Now all you do it swipe left or right etc and its the actual messages between the two of you that mean something or not. I don't find it any harder or easier to get dates on there than in the past, saying that I have not done it for about 3 years in the UK. In my experience in Spain it seemed easier, but that was probably as I was English.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
The truth is that this was over at least 3 years ago, although much was still location dependent on the degree of how bad it was. Something was possible online in the novel stages of the beginning of this decade, and basically the first 2 years of real smartphone introduction and more ubiquitous usage (2012-13), but after 2014, pandora's box was obvious and real. I've talked about this before but that era (smartphone introduction), also coincided with a worldwide decline in the "paradise" destinations everyone used to talk about here, which were goldmines prior.

The only thing that would ever work would be barriers to entry approaches. Most of these tend to devolve towards sugar type "dating" which incidentally where the world was going anyway, or continues to go. Anything online won't be wholesome or organic for these reasons, and is just a diversion for all parties. I would argue or guess it's mostly that way even in the best locations (Russia, for example).

Maybe it's more appropriate to talk about the age gap stuff in a different thread, but recently a family member said something like "Younger women are only going to be interested in your money" ... as if all women aren't going to be equally interested in your money. It's amusing to me how uncritically this is thought out by the common person. They have no sense of how much more demanding older or aging women are, itself the biggest paradox in the screwed up "dating" systems of the advanced countries, at this point.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
Many of the girls on the biggest sugerdaddy website will be happy to go out on a fancy dinner and get some pocket change. In a city like Düsseldorf we are talking about 250 Euro all in.

If you are a high earner in Germany (at least, high earner for german income levels), arranging such a date is very much affordable.

I believe that soft prostitution is going to be a norm for the majority of German women by 2030. This is the only way for many average looking guys (who spend most of their time working at a lame office) to get female companionship without leaving the country. The women will view it as an empowering experience.

The current market is beyond repair.
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We need religion back, this just doesnt fucking work, this is about to COME CRASHING DOWN.

Its OVER for average men now, cold approach dont work good no more, and on tinder only the top 10% racks up everything.

The blackpillers seem to have it right, its fucking over if ure not a Chad in todays market thanks to social media.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
Don't give up all hope, but yes, the lack of a traditional society and forced transfer payments to women are HUGE blows to the average guy.

The constant attention of social media is just a cherry on top, I think itself more damaging to each girl personally than even the above. I say that because even decent families have girls that are on social media, and the transfer payment/laws stuff doesn't begin until much later in a woman's (decline phase) life. Unless you're a welfare recipient, straight out.

I wonder when that futurist guy is going to come back for the "misandry bubble" update.
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(12-16-2019 07:13 PM)Realbor Wrote:  We need religion back, this just doesnt fucking work, this is about to COME CRASHING DOWN.

Its OVER for average men now, cold approach dont work good no more, and on tinder only the top 10% racks up everything.

Ok. But what do these 10 % look like? Are they white, black, young, old, rich, poor?

I would say on tinder not even 10 % of male users get much matches. I have made experiments.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(12-17-2019 01:13 PM)Oscar Henri Wrote:  
(12-16-2019 07:13 PM)Realbor Wrote:  We need religion back, this just doesnt fucking work, this is about to COME CRASHING DOWN.

Its OVER for average men now, cold approach dont work good no more, and on tinder only the top 10% racks up everything.

Ok. But what do these 10 % look like? Are they white, black, young, old, rich, poor?

I would say on tinder not even 10 % of male users get much matches. I have made experiments.

They are usually white super good looking guys with male model features. The "incel community" has actually provided us with great "proof" when it comes to that, google around male model tinder experiment etc, or check for it on youtube. These guys can literally fuck tons and TONS of women each week, they just come to their door, they get dates so fucking easy its absolute insanity.

5-10% of men are fucking all the women, that is how things are now. And this will not end, this will just continue and as years go by ,the standards keep increasing.

Remember, human females are made for harem, they are programmed for it, we used to "cure" this with religion etc, remove all those pillars + add welfare state + add social media which floods them with validation and options = its over.

I think more and more PUAs will come to realise this the coming years, with time, even the average blue piller out there will start to question things, understanding that something weird is going on.

I dont like incels, but they are actually correct in many things they say.
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(12-16-2019 07:46 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Don't give up all hope, but yes, the lack of a traditional society and forced transfer payments to women are HUGE blows to the average guy.

The constant attention of social media is just a cherry on top, I think itself more damaging to each girl personally than even the above. I say that because even decent families have girls that are on social media, and the transfer payment/laws stuff doesn't begin until much later in a woman's (decline phase) life. Unless you're a welfare recipient, straight out.

I wonder when that futurist guy is going to come back for the "misandry bubble" update.

Its over man. Especially if ure looking for a serious good relationship. Think about it, If you want a girl who:

Hasnt slept with alot of guys
Is young
Slim
Pretty
Loyal
Faithful
Dont have feminist views
Dont want mass immigration and is "crazy"
Is a "good woman" to her man

How many of those are there out there? Like zero now, young girls are getting mass indoctrinated by the day.

Most girls are fat, NOT loyal, huge notch counts, feminist views etc.


Good luck with that, I mean the probabilities are so damn low in the western world now.


This shit will make our society come crumbling down, women arent even having babies no more and when they do, its like 1.5 baby per family LMFAO.


... And then they divorce 2 years later.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(12-17-2019 01:47 PM)Realbor Wrote:  5-10% of men are fucking all the women, that is how things are now. And this will not end, this will just continue and as years go by ,the standards keep increasing.

No. They are fucking the top 30 percent of women or so. They ignore the 5s, the 4s, the heavyset girls, etc. Still plenty of material to work with, if we can get over the looks obsession. There's more to life than beauty of the flesh. The issue is that every guy thinks he's entitled to a 7 or above. Not happenin' ...
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(12-17-2019 02:30 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  Not happenin' ...

   
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(12-17-2019 02:30 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  
(12-17-2019 01:47 PM)Realbor Wrote:  5-10% of men are fucking all the women, that is how things are now. And this will not end, this will just continue and as years go by ,the standards keep increasing.

No. They are fucking the top 30 percent of women or so. They ignore the 5s, the 4s, the heavyset girls, etc. Still plenty of material to work with, if we can get over the looks obsession. There's more to life than beauty of the flesh. The issue is that every guy thinks he's entitled to a 7 or above. Not happenin' ...

Are you kidding me? Is this he blue pill central now? Ignore the 5s? Do you even spend time with girls? I can assure you that girl 5s hook up with good looking guys ALL THE TIME now from tinder.

There is not "plenty of material to work with", what the fuck is going on in your brain brother? Are you a feminist?


"Entitled to a 7" LMFAO, you are starting to sound like the blue pilled SJW men in my country, my god what the fuck has happened to western men, you just refuse to accept reality dont you?
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
This guy could be you, Realbor, if you'd quit playing.

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(12-17-2019 01:51 PM)Realbor Wrote:  Good luck with that, I mean the probabilities are so damn low in the western world now.

I agree, if you have read what I have said elsewhere I admit it's a lottery. Your criteria (and I don't blame you) means that it is exactly that lottery, or you need to find a better pond to fish in --- these are your choices.

I will never tell you to give up hope, and that's what my recommendation was, "Don't give up all hope."

The future isn't bright, certainly for the time being, but you can only control what you do and where you are. Don't forget the 2nd part, as it might be key since it's hard to find what you desire and have stated above, at least in your current location.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
Online dating is next to useless these days.

What has been said about the top 5% chads is true - I have a mate who is in this category and I hear all about it. It's non stop for him.

If you use it it'll twist your mind and black pill you.

Social circle / niche game is much better, there are many great women who don't use apps.

In fact, the woman I want to marry would either never use one or be on one for about 1 week before deleting it forever.
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(12-17-2019 06:44 PM)PixelFree Wrote:  Online dating is next to useless these days.

What has been said about the top 5% chads is true - I have a mate who is in this category and I hear all about it. It's non stop for him.

If you use it it'll twist your mind and black pill you.

Social circle / niche game is much better, there are many great women who don't use apps.

In fact, the woman I want to marry would either never use one or be on one for about 1 week before deleting it forever.

Im in school with a shit ton of 20-25 year old women and almost everyone is using tinder when single.

That IS what women is using now when looking for hookups, tinder, because its so damn easy and no one gets to know about it.


The dating life for a sub 8 man in the west is over.

Time to go overseas cause this shit just aint worth it. Even when you manage to get a girl, she is very quick to jump to the next cock, and the next, and the next, cause she gets absolutely bombarded with options all day long so she cant stick to just one, she is now unable to bond.

And if u find urself in a relationship with one, she will ALWAYS have the power cause where you might have 5 or 10 other girls, if most, she will have 500000000000 other guys wanting her, all time, 24/7. If u get in a fight, she has no problem leaving you cause she will get VALIDATION AND SEX IMMIDATELY once she walks out the door.

This situatoin cannot continue, we HAVE to do something in the west, cause this wont end well, mark my words.
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(12-17-2019 07:26 PM)Realbor Wrote:  The dating life for a sub 8 man in the west is over.

Maybe try Phils?
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(12-17-2019 07:26 PM)Realbor Wrote:  Im in school with a shit ton of 20-25 year old women and almost everyone is using tinder when single.

That IS what women is using now when looking for hookups, tinder, because its so damn easy and no one gets to know about it.

I get that most of those girls in that age group are on tinder, but quite literally very few of them are using it to hook up, or even just physically meet up with a guy in general. In its current state, the only real purposeful use of Tinder in a woman's eyes is to gain attention/validation from a male following in the online realm. For the overwhelming majority of women, at that point their needs are met and there is no point to proceed any further to a physical meetup. That's it, the goal has been met for them. Some of them, usually the ones who are more screwed up in the head, will eventually meet if you stay on them about it.

Tinder is on its way out, and has been ever since users were enabled to attach their IG to their profile and it became the Mecca of whoring for social media followers. Before that happened, back in the 2013-16 era, it was much less difficult to chat a girl up and her meet you for dinner or whatever. It was way different back then because it was largely anonymous and you could not attach any of your other social media profiles to it. So now the original purpose of Tinder, which was to bring people in a common geographical area together, has completely transformed into an online wasteland of faux personas and other fake degeneracy.
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(12-17-2019 06:41 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  
(12-17-2019 01:51 PM)Realbor Wrote:  Good luck with that, I mean the probabilities are so damn low in the western world now.

I agree, if you have read what I have said elsewhere I admit it's a lottery. Your criteria (and I don't blame you) means that it is exactly that lottery, or you need to find a better pond to fish in --- these are your choices.

I will never tell you to give up hope, and that's what my recommendation was, "Don't give up all hope."

The future isn't bright, certainly for the time being, but you can only control what you do and where you are. Don't forget the 2nd part, as it might be key since it's hard to find what you desire and have stated above, at least in your current location.

Nah it aint hard. Whats hard is not being able to order up top shelf poon from your smart phone like you do an Uber just because some guys can.

On the other hand online circle jerks that confirm how hard it all is and why a guy should settle for a repugnant battle sow as a wife...sheeeit...those are easy peasy

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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
On average, guys here are looking for a 7.

On average, guys here are not 7s, just a guess.

It probably is harder for any given guy, especially given the catering to women going on in the West.

I stand by my comments.
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Here's a question: what would you do if you are the last man on earth and stuck with the last woman on earth who is a fatty? You two are the last people and have been given the last chance at saving the human race.

Initially I would rather die without reproducing because I absolutely refuse to sleep with a fatty. The solution then would be draw a hard line and make her lose weight before reproducing. The problem is, not that personality would be all that important in this scenario, is that -knowing fat girls- they are probably so ingrained to being fat, they simply can't experience euphoria like skinny people can due to all the overly processed sugar and lack of physical excercise that puts their brain in a mushy fogy state. Since a fattly has that static mentality due to her sloth and gluttony, she would also be ok with ending the human race as well and could probably care less about your well being also.

Let's say I'm wrong in the above statement and she, the fatty, wants to reproduce. She could still only want to lose the weight temporarily. Once she has your kids, she could gain it all back. Now, of course this still defeats a point. If all you care about is function for the human surviving then your wife in this scenario did nothing wrong either staying fat or temporally losing weight.

If you care more about genetics - or a standard of beauty shown from history, in culture, archeology, and ideology - then ther has to be a way for that fatty to want to be attractive to her husband. A woman not being fat and ugly just makes the world a more livable place in my opinion.

The MGTOW would probably not reproduce.
The Blue Piller would probably capitulate and either dam the human race or not depending on the fatty's mood.
Purple Piller would do the same as the Blue Piller because the purple pill is also for losers.
The Black Piller would think even the perfect solution would fail.
But what would a Red Piller do?, because in America, we are basically in this same situation.

We are talking about online dating and that's a big part of women's brains turning to mush. Also I think there is room for guys to put their foot down and refuse fatties even if the guy currently perceives himself as a 1 or 2. The missing ingredient is getting women to want to be better.

I mention the fatty because, I dont know about anyone else, but I've only seen bigger gals on tinder in America whenever I've had it save about five years ago.

Thought of the day.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
Online I think it is more the 90:10 rule.

To be an alpha on OkCupid for example (definition: master of all women whom he surveys from 0 to 8) he needs to be a 9.5.

Look at the Male v female advantage chart showing the inverse curve. I tried to embed it via my iPad without success.

The key point is not that online dating is the chasse gardée of super Chads, it’s that when a woman is a 4, the hypergamous attraction towards higher status men begins to weaken considerably.

Drawing an imaginary line from 80% of male attractiveness it ends up remarkably close to the bottom 22% of women Discussed in the later tinder data.

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(12-18-2019 01:14 AM)ArcticTraveler Wrote:  Here's a question: what would you do if you are the last man on earth and stuck with the last woman on earth who is a fatty?

Make her run a few laps around the block/island daily, and control her diet. She'll be slender in no time, without the poisonous influence of "friends", media and society. It's much easier to fix the body than personality.

Fat girls are fat because they know they can get away with it. When their laziness is supported, it's even better. Some of them are naturally "thicker", with wider hips, but it doesn't equal being obese.
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