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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
With my looks I just cannot do the Online Game anymore, and my career is not something that makes women's panties drop. I actually pulled 7's off Tinder up to 2017,but then it dried up as Tinder became more and more commercial.

While I myself weight (and I was never fat to begin with), and bulked up, and objectively just improved myself physically, I am getting fewer looks, since the women s eyeballs are now all focused on their smartphones. Luckily, they still cannot Salsa dance while looking at their smartphones.

This is the way it is, but at least none of us are being conscripted to a world war, or having to marry just to get a senior position at a company. I know a few older unmarried men(or childless widowers), and they are fine. They can afford everything they want, even a live in 24/7 maid who will take care of them. They can get female companionship but rather not to. For retirement, these guys are all heading to Portugal, Spain or south of France. Not the worst way to go.

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11-10-2019 08:31 AM
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(11-10-2019 08:31 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  This is the way it is, but at least none of us are being conscripted to a world war, or having to marry just to get a senior position at a company. I know a few older unmarried men(or childless widowers), and they are fine. They can afford everything they want, even a live in 24/7 maid who will take care of them. They can get female companionship but rather not to. For retirement, these guys are all heading to Portugal, Spain or south of France. Not the worst way to go.

This is an elephant in this forum’s room: many men reading this post will never marry nor remarry if divorced. This means many would be wise to plan their futures with assumption that they’ll face it alone.

Don't spend all your energy on sex and all your money on women; they have destroyed kings. (Proverbs 31:3 GNB)
11-10-2019 10:39 AM
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(11-10-2019 10:39 AM)N°6 Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 08:31 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  This is the way it is, but at least none of us are being conscripted to a world war, or having to marry just to get a senior position at a company. I know a few older unmarried men(or childless widowers), and they are fine. They can afford everything they want, even a live in 24/7 maid who will take care of them. They can get female companionship but rather not to. For retirement, these guys are all heading to Portugal, Spain or south of France. Not the worst way to go.

This is an elephant in this forum’s room: many men reading this post will never marry nor remarry if divorced. This means many would be wise to plan their futures with assumption that they’ll face it alone.

I am already operating from that assumption. I am divorced with children. I am closer to fifty than I am to forty. I live in a very liberal city in a blue state. What is the likelihood that I will attract a beautiful young woman in her twenties for anything other than a short term fling? Truth be told, that is exactly what I have been pursuing for the last several years since my divorce and I have been succesful at it.

In many ways I have grown selfish. I cannot imagine having a woman live with me full time any longer. I miss the warmth of a woman next to me in bed and yet I relish my time alone. I see and listen to the grumblings of friends and coworkers with regards to their wives, money, struggles, etc.

I don't think it is good for men to be alone even though we can handle solitude better than women. Genesis 2:18 tells us that God created Eve because he didn't want Adam to be alone. Yet here we are...us(RVF) and legions of incels, MGTOWs and other Blue Pillers. I suppose I am one of the fortunates since I already have children. I spend a lot of time trying to impart Red Pill Christianity to my daughters who are just now becoming young women. In many ways I worry more for them than for myself. There are several examples in my family of Gen X women who are unmarried and pursuing careers or who failed to launch. They are the cautionary tales. I think that my older daughter sees the contrast between them and her aunt who has six children.

I have mentioned in other posts that I teach part time at a local community college. I encourage any RVFers who have the educational background, ability and free time to look into becoming adjunct faculty. There are a great many young men out there who are lost and need direction.

For us men: make hay while the sun shines. Stack cash and pay down debt (including your mortgage). Max out retirement accounts and pursue any side gigs that you can. Look into disability insurance and nursing home costs versus a home care giver. Maybe we move to South America and set up an RVF compound where los padres are still respected? We can hire an entire village to look after us until we perish! If it takes a village to raise a child why doesn't it take one to wipe my incontinent, dementia addled ass when I grow older? lol

I'm only half kidding about that. I was fortunate to be at my father's bedside at the time of his death along with my siblings, many of his grandchildren and my aunt and uncle. I hope to die the same but I am steeling myself to the reality that they may not happen.

C'est la vie
11-11-2019 01:40 PM
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This is what we are dealing with nowadays:

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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
This is a great thread, throwback to the old RVF days

You have to have a lot going for you to do well online. Looks, perceived popularity/status, traveling, money. You also have to have an Instagram/Snapchat to back it up. It's much easier for an entire profile of 100+ pictures to motivate a new girl to see you vs the standard five photos from a dating app.

Ultimately, the ghost and flake rate is huge. I got a flake/ghost three days in a row this weekend, and that's with hoes I'd been talking to for 2-3 weeks.

You always have to have 5-10 main leads and 20-30 backups that you ping every once in a while. If you keep them all on your instagram profile then they are organized neatly in one place, with their face/tits/ass to help you keep track.

If I gave a blueprint to doing well online:

1. Looksmax. Gym, haircut, steroids, tan, teeth whitening. Don't be afraid of plastic surgery if you have a major flaw in your face. You only get a 10-20 years timeframe to breed with a young woman in the US, and if your pride is preventing you to improve your facial aesthetics, rethink whether that pride is preventing you from getting to the top.

2. Create carefully curated social media profiles. Any time you do something cool, stop, have someone take a picture, post the picture. Learn how to use social media to meet women. Do you think the most successful online daters actually talk to women on Tinder and Bumble? No, if the chick is a 8+ she has too many backed up matches to even get to your profile. If a girl is an 8+, I'll just add her on Instagram and message her.

3. Use the Christ angle as part of your brand. If you use social media/dating apps etc, you can screen for Christian women by carefully placing a Bible quote somewhere, posting a story at church, wearing a cross, etc.

I built this empire and I did it by myself. Nobody did it for me. Not Ivana, not Marla. Nobody! ~Donald Trump

As poorly as women are doing, men are doing ten times worse.
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“Use the Christ angle as part of your brand.”
Sounds great!
11-12-2019 06:20 AM
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
If a certain female body part is all that matters...well, there are now many realistic-feeling inanimate substitutes on the market.

If on the other hand you want long-term loving companionship, a home, and maybe to raise children with another human being, that is a different matter entirely.

It is very important to decide what we really want.
11-12-2019 07:36 AM
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
(11-12-2019 12:47 AM)Graft Wrote:  This is a great thread, throwback to the old RVF days

You have to have a lot going for you to do well online. Looks, perceived popularity/status, traveling, money. You also have to have an Instagram/Snapchat to back it up. It's much easier for an entire profile of 100+ pictures to motivate a new girl to see you vs the standard five photos from a dating app.

Ultimately, the ghost and flake rate is huge. I got a flake/ghost three days in a row this weekend, and that's with hoes I'd been talking to for 2-3 weeks.

You always have to have 5-10 main leads and 20-30 backups that you ping every once in a while. If you keep them all on your instagram profile then they are organized neatly in one place, with their face/tits/ass to help you keep track.

If I gave a blueprint to doing well online:

1. Looksmax. Gym, haircut, steroids, tan, teeth whitening. Don't be afraid of plastic surgery if you have a major flaw in your face. You only get a 10-20 years timeframe to breed with a young woman in the US, and if your pride is preventing you to improve your facial aesthetics, rethink whether that pride is preventing you from getting to the top.

2. Create carefully curated social media profiles. Any time you do something cool, stop, have someone take a picture, post the picture. Learn how to use social media to meet women. Do you think the most successful online daters actually talk to women on Tinder and Bumble? No, if the chick is a 8+ she has too many backed up matches to even get to your profile. If a girl is an 8+, I'll just add her on Instagram and message her.

3. Use the Christ angle as part of your brand. If you use social media/dating apps etc, you can screen for Christian women by carefully placing a Bible quote somewhere, posting a story at church, wearing a cross, etc.

I'm not saying it isn't effective, but man, that sounds like such a faggy miserable existence having to keep up with all that self absorbed /tech nonsense.

I have success online but I use it just to supplement my day to day life. My tactics are barebones basic and require minimal effort and it still feels like a weak persuit.

What's it all for anyways? So you can have another bar date with another Stacy?

I don't know why, given the shift of the forum, anyone here even cares about online dating anymore. Everyone here should be looking at and promoting other avenues.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
That same 8 who is swiping left on my tinder profile is going to get number closed when we run into each other at the supermarket.

I'm of average looks but in great physical shape. I have good pictures but I have little to no instagram presence and really don't care to cultivate one at my age (26).

My online matches are a joke, (5s and 6s) but I find solace in knowing that, in 2019 at least, approaching IRL is still the great equaliser.

A great way to meet quality women without having to get sucked into the vortex of vanity that is Instagram.

@Graft are you serious ? Plastic surgery ? It all seems like a little too much just for the previlege of getting a date with a girl who likley really doesn't offer much besides her looks anyway.
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(11-12-2019 08:09 AM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  @Graft are you serious ? Plastic surgery ? It all seems like a little too much just for the previlege of getting a date with a girl who likley really doesn't offer much besides her looks anyway.

I've seen guys going bald at 25 years old. Dudes with the weakest chins that you can imagine. Chubby faces with no defining features. And all of them were almost completely fixed after paying 3-5k to a doctor. That move right there just turned those guys from sterile to potential husbands and fathers.

Not to mention all of the benefits outside of women, such as making powerful business & social connections. There are probably hundreds of high level VPs in my company-none of them are fat or totally ugly.

Guys also think that it's a tough procedure-most of them are 30 minutes or less, no anasthesia.

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A chubby face can be fixed with a diet. Two of my friends had to do facial surgery: One was kicked by a horse as a teenager, and had his jaw bone shattered. Another friend was born with a bone missing in his face. But both of these are extreme cases.
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I agree with Graft, there are cases where guys can go up a full point in attractiveness with a simple procedure. No different from getting braces and teeth whitening. Chin and hair implants would be the classic example. It's not 1990 anymore, there has been progress in procedures and the world is viciously competitive now so why not.
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(11-13-2019 04:17 AM)RawGod Wrote:  I agree with Graft, there are cases where guys can go up a full point in attractiveness with a simple procedure. No different from getting braces and teeth whitening. Chin and hair implants would be the classic example. It's not 1990 anymore, there has been progress in procedures and the world is viciously competitive now so why not.


Guys who start balding early in their 20s are bad candidates for hair surgery, most likely they will end up totally bald and there is not enough quality hair on the back to cover bald area, classic example is Neil Strauss.

Chin implants sounds a bit extreme to be putting piece of silicone or whatever in your chin and some looks ridiculous obvious, maybe face slimming or sculpting.
Noticed women do these kind of procedures, seems like bloated chubby face is seen as unattractive in both sexes.
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(10-13-2019 01:53 PM)Kungfu Wrote:  Has there ever been a time where there was such an ideological gap between men and women?

This unfortunality might be true.
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(10-19-2019 02:46 PM)Realbor Wrote:  Women today in the west are awful, its insane how crushed my heart has become because of them, im really really fucking sad right not, these women got no heart.

Don't fall in love with them, then.
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(10-19-2019 07:11 AM)quaker13 Wrote:  Sword I don’t think what Tr1cky wrote was feminism at all. His point was these women were never happy to begin with and by denying the true sexual nature of woman all you are really doing is lying to yourself for convenience sake. It’s like the saying goes, “want a woman who wants you”. When we get nostalgic and wax poetic about the good ole days we seemingly reject the notion that many of the women in those nuclear families with beta providers did not want those men sexually. The sooner we accept and acknowledge that the better off we will be in tackling the scourge that is modern feminism. Quite frankly, I wouldn’t want my daughter marrying some asshole she isn’t attracted to out of a provisional necessity and you shouldn’t either

What are your options, the current family court model where they throw guys in prison for the crime of losing their jobs? This is not a joke, this happens every day in the "Land of the Free". The money has to come from somewhere, someone at some point has to make some kind of sacrifice and have something less than ideal in their life. If you watch the old traditional sermons, they involve telling both husband and wife what they were going to have to sacrifice. If you spend 50 years "Taking" from men, of course women won't want most of them, they've got nothing left to give, they're broken men.

You're also falling into the trap of assuming male and female desire are the same, and they'e not. Just eliminating all the endless take aways and programs that impoverish so many men in so many subtle ways and (by general female standards) mens have already become more physically attractive, in ways that our brains just don't do. Restore the social status men had 50 years ago before "Hatening" began and every stand up guy becomes D1 athlete/local musician famous by comparison to current standards.

Every son you have in modern times starts the race hobbled, the equivalent of acid thrown in his face before he was born. The only reason it's not more pronounced is because it's so universal, so we have nothing left to compare it to. Some of the smartphone era is people being overloaded by choice, but an awful lot of it men having (voluntaily!) reduced themselves to serfdom, and what would woman would choose to settle down with a serf when they can have a knight and the serf still has o till their land?
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Every once in a while I forget how awful the online dating market is, and make a Tinder. It happened again recently. Last night I met up with a brunette l I matched with. She had several clear pictures of her face, and full-body shots displaying her slim physique.

Arrived at the bar, and saw only girl with brown hair. She was about 50lbs heavier with a decidedly less attractive face. Sure enough, it was her. She made eye contact with me and I looked back, immediately realizing I should just walk away. In that moment, an attractive, very drunk blonde staggered up to me and eagerly introduced herself. Her wedding ring gleamed in the neon light as she held out her hand.

I shook her hand. It turned out they were friends. I played a couple games of pool with the attractive blonde’s beta orbiter, who was a really friendly dude. He tried to teach the blonde how to play, but she was having too much trouble balancing. Eventually she got tired of making sexually charged comments about the pool cue and sat down. She and the brunette then began fighting incessantly about how to get home. Drunken blonde had the keys and was intelligently insisting they take a cab, while the brunette insisted she was sober enough to drive.

I made friends with the orbiter while the girls argued. Eventually the brunette stormed outside with the keys and the other girl’s purse. When I finished the game of pool, I shook hands with the orbiter.

“Well, I’m calling it a night.”

“Are you gonna ask her out again?” he asked.

“No,” I told him, amazed that it was a real question. I realized, even after all that, he was interested in her.

I walked over to the drunk, married blonde, who was lying on the floor. “Do you need a ride home?”

“I called her a cab,” said the bartender helpfully. The brunette walked back inside. I left.

I drove home, the words of Psalm 136 running through my head. “By the waters of Babylon, there we sat down and we wept, when we remembered Zion…”
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The best argument for MGTOW is a five-minute conversation with the average woman.

That said, things have gotten exponentially worse over the last decade. When I first started my dating life around 19 or 20 years old, I distinctly remember having constant crushes on classmates, women in my social circle, and experiencing genuine attraction and admiration for them. Now I feel absolutely nothing around 99% of women, including those that probably have hundreds or thousands of men drooling over them on the internet, and meet a woman I'm genuinely interested in maybe once or, at most, twice per year. None of them are on Tinder or the internet, which (at least in my city) is indistinguishable from the site for the local zoo.

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(12-13-2019 03:46 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  The best argument for MGTOW is a five-minute conversation with the average woman.

That said, things have gotten exponentially worse over the last decade. When I first started my dating life around 19 or 20 years old, I distinctly remember having constant crushes on classmates, women in my social circle, and experiencing genuine attraction and admiration for them. Now I feel absolutely nothing around 99% of women, including those that probably have hundreds or thousands of men drooling over them on the internet, and meet a woman I'm genuinely interested in maybe once or, at most, twice per year. None of them are on Tinder or the internet, which (at least in my city) is indistinguishable from the site for the local zoo.

Michael, I'm not sure your current age, but do you think the difference could be related to your life stage and experience? And also the fact that you were in school in those early years?

Don't get me wrong. What you said describes me to a T, as well. But I don't chalk it up entirely to differences in the women.
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This has not happened yet in Russia and I don't think it will - for a whole host of reasons, but broadly women still value commitment and marriage; and that although society has modernised men haven't been devalued on every metric, while women are pushed up. And of course, Russian man are more masculine and less soy.

Been talking with one member here and he says Tinder is a land of milk and honey. Has met a girl off it who I'd put as a 9 with a bit of work. If you speak Russian, are good looking and location independent it is very easy to set up dates from online all day.

I don't use Tinder, but I can see that, even as a non-Russian speaker, if all I was doing here is meeting women it would not be difficult to set up a date a day, with girls I'd want to date. Back home I know I'd be eating up much precious time to meet near my SMV at home.

But what concerns me is why so many girls are on Tinder here. In Serbia, Armenia and Georgia its virtually unused.
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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
Oh yeah, my life stage and experience definitely make a difference. When all I wanted was casual sex it was like a playground. Now that I want either something more serious or nothing at all, it’s more like a desert. But I think the quality of the dating pool has also lowered in that span of time, as every year I find fewer and fewer women attractive at all when I walk around town and have a look at what’s available.

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^^As an accomplished, established, older guy you have less tolerance for things that don’t add immediate value. Women have willfully thrown away their fertility and what’s left is a cohort that can’t enhance your life.

Disappointing in a sense but the positive is you can easily recognize the rare quality when you see it.
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Yeah that’s very true. I have a hard time describing exactly what I like, but I know it the instant I’m around it.

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RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
Tinder in the US is complete trash and a colossal waste of time. It used to be decent back in 2014-16 before filtered pics were the norm and girls were actually willing to meet up if you were a normal good looking dude. However those days are long gone. In its current state, online dating in general is an unrealistic facade of however people wish to "reinvent" themselves for the rest of the world to see. In most cases it is in no way, shape, or form representative of what you will find in real life, if you can even get women to meet up. They now have this thing jacked up to where you've got to pay for boosts/superlikes just to get matches. I think the "super boost" is the latest one for some outlandish price that I'm almost certain some poor sucker will pay to use with abysmal results. I literally laughed out loud when I saw it. On top of that you're supposed to now go out and pay for professional photos, doctor up your instagram, etc...

F all that. Take that 3 or so daily hours you were swiping and chatting up matches who were planning to ghost you, and go do something fun and productive. Go for a hike. Ride out to the beach. Take the dogs to the park. Join a nonprofit doing something you love. Just go live your life, and yes you might even be surprised who you meet along the way.

Put the phone away, revel in being the interesting man that you are, and open your mouth and talk to women when the opportunity is present.
12-14-2019 02:44 AM
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Post: #150
RE: Online dating in 2007 vs now: what the h-ll happened?
Above is spot on.

I'm in Spain and just sieving through the throngs of burnt out, the blue haired, the fat, the duckfaces, all just in the hope to meet a somewhat normal, chilled girl who you might be able to have a half-decent conversation with, is soul destroying. I'm in a relatively small town, but with two big cities nearby, so have a large sample size at 50ks, and it feels just like wading through garbage pile looking for some bit of trash, that with a bit of work, might be salvageable.

It saddens the shit out of me, that this is what passes for the 'mating-game' for young people now. Only 7 years or so ago, a guy could get himself together, put a nice shirt on, hit up a few bars and chat and be social & get good results, if he worked at the skillset. Now, that age all seems gone. The 7s you approach at the bar have a never ending stack of validation, dates, and occasional sports-fucks off some Chad 9 dude, if she catches him at the right time.

It's insane how much seems to have changed at such a rapid pace.
12-14-2019 03:26 AM
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