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Fasting
I do one long and two short fast a year and they do wonders for my mind and body, especially long fasts.

Long fasts are great unless you are underweight. If you are underweight then a short few days fast is better for you.

Fasting is great for everything. Within 24–48 hours fasting, your body will have burned through all of its glycinate (sugar) and you will go into a state of ketosis and burn ketone bodies that are generated from your fat storage. The 2nd and 3rd day of fasting are the toughest because your body is adjusting and you will feel hungry and may get headaches but by the 4th and 5th days, your body will lessen the production of Ghrelin, the hunger hormone and you will feel like you could go on fasting forever and you could actually go for months if you have enough fat storage. The record is 391 days.

When starting a fast you will first notice a putrid tasting white film on your tongue that needs to be cleaned off several times a day, this is just toxin released through the tongue and this will last for over 10 days if not longer. Your skin and perspiration will also smell really bad. Many people break their longterm fast after the tongue gets clean again as it is an indicator that you are detoxified.

What you will also notice is increased energy since you are now burning ketone bodies which are the best fuel source for the muscles, organs, and brain. Your mind will become crystal clear, your I.Q. will go up and all depression and anxieties go away since fasting is the greatest and fastest way to lower chronic inflammation which is the root cause of long-term, mild depression. You might feel so much energy that it will be hard to sleep and if so, there is no harm in working out. This is fasting not starvation.

You will lose a lot of weight, up to 2lb a day and your body will go into autophagy, meaning your body will start eating away dead and unneeded cells for food. So scars, acne, skin tags blemishes, stretch marks will fade and most likely disappear completely, your skin will be glowing. Autophagy also eats away tumors, cysts, and bad bacteria in the gut too. Fasting will reset your metabolism. I do a 21 day fast and came out of it a new man each time.
08-30-2019 08:52 AM
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RE: Fasting
Fasting is cutting on cheat mode.

I go for 23-25 hours a day and eat one meal.

I’m also in my 40s and shredded up like a motherfucker.

For years I banged my head against a brick wall, desperate for 6 pack abs.

Every fucking diet under the sun and to no avail.

Why?

I never learned to control hunger. I created the environment to be hungry several times a day.

Counting calories like some neurotic pussy. I’m sure I almost sprouted a vag, obsessing over ‘macros’.

Now I work out while in a fasted state, torching body fat, with no drop in performance.

Fasting is life.
08-30-2019 09:33 AM
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RE: Fasting
Everything in moderation, as Aristotle advised in Nicomachean Ethics and what was repeated by many other sages. Brain and body require nutrients but with some tweaks, one can optimise for healthspan, memory, mood and other benefits. I follow Fast Mimicking Diet by Professor Longo and findings of Professor Matt Mattson of National Health Institute, whereby calories restriction activities keton bodies, organism mops up toxic debris and wasted cells, possibly activates synapsogenesis and a slew of other benefits. Professor Mattson's and others' research widely available on the internet.
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(08-30-2019 12:43 PM)ksbms Wrote:  Everything in moderation, as Aristotle advised in Nicomachean Ethics and what was repeated by many other sages.

Thanks ksbms,

I have found this to be the best advice for just about every area in life. Moderation in moderation too.

If we look at the past people did not eat 3 times or even two times a day and this is going back as little as 60 or 70 years ago. I read that morning breakfast was a marketing campaign.

I am discovering that three meals a day is for is not good --we need episodes of hunger punctuated brief by periods of replenishing. Hunger improves insulin sensitivity, brain function, etc. So it is a good idea to, counterintuitively, fast on days when we need the energy, rather than the opposite. Our Platonic "make sense" indicates that you need to "eat well" during a period of physical stress --the opposite holds true empirically: fasting chemo patients do much much better. Without actual testing, every cancer patient has been told to "eat well but not excessively".

The same applies to thirst.

I have not seen much on the subject in the literature, but I am also realizing that stochastic sleeping periods might be good for us. I have been traveling on red-eye flights and went through such memorable experiences as a whole night standing at Narita airport (there were no seats available and I needed to stay near the gate). After a sleepless night. I always manage to catch up, as I design my own schedule. I am now discovering that sleep if vastly more enjoyable after periods of deprivation much like the taste of water under extreme thirst.
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RE: Fasting
Fasting is the healthiest thing you can do. I have done several 48 hour fasts and they are a great way to detox and kill off your toxic cells/burn fat.
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(08-30-2019 09:33 AM)Irn Bru Protein Wrote:  Fasting is cutting on cheat mode.

I go for 23-25 hours a day and eat one meal.

Can you elaborate a bit, what does your fasting regime look like?
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I did a 21 day water fast a few months ago.
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RE: Fasting
Not much to add

I usually eat a protein/fat heavy meal.

Usually a big salad with chilli or some shit

Followed by some chicken thighs

Then Greek yoghurt.

Takes about 30 mins to eat. I then fast for 23-25 hours depending on work schedule.
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RE: Fasting
There's been research on the neurological benefits of fasting.

Quote:Our data lead us to speculate that sporadic fasting might represent a simple, safe and inexpensive means to promote this potentially therapeutic neuronal response.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3106288/

The more I read and experience first hand, the more I realize that overfeeding leads to all kinds of health problems.
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RE: Fasting
I like fasting, a lot, to be honest... It's so simple, just don't eat... It gives me more time to do other things instead of thinking what I'll eat, when I'm gonna eat it, how and where I'm going to eat it, how I'll prepare it etc etc etc

The only thing I don't like about fasting is that I'm probably also doing a too big of a calorie restriction because of the skipped meals. I try to eat as much as before I started Intermittent Fasting but I don't snack as much as back then. Then again I look a lot more leaner then before the fasting, so that's a plus. I should measure myself more to see if I have muscle loss...

For the fasting I usually do Intermittent fasting while alternating between OMAD and 2MAD... In the weekends it happens I skip the fasting and indulge in a binge fest, although I've noticed this happens less and less. My food choices, which were already on point, have also improved even more. I think the nastiest thing I eat nowadays is Muesli with Greek Yoghurt and some Honey for dessert or salted nuts as an appetizer...

But about the alternating fasting schedule, I haven't invented that, it's something I read about in Siim Land's Metabolic Autophagy. In that book he wrote a monthly schedule which I like a lot. Thanks to sticking to that schedule I'm again doing more cardio and rediscovered Yoga. I really liked the book. It's not about getting big it's about finding a balance between growing and ageing well. I highly recommend it...

What I don't really like about the book is the keto/low carb dietary recommendations. It's just not for me, I really enjoy carbs from time to time. I try to eat low carb but it's probably not low enough (yet). I don't eat bread or pasta but I do enjoy some potatoes, bulgur, quinoa etc

What I haven't done yet is an extended fast. Longest I went was +- 36 hours... It's hard to fast when you have a kid... I don't want him to see me skipping meals because the kid will say if dad can skip a meal I can skip it too... The little one still has a lot more growing to do then I have so that's a nono. But yeah I get that fasting also has spiritual/religious links... You get another state of mind when you're fasting. It's your brain running on ketones that makes you feel... different. Sharper, in the zone... I really like that feeling, but I don't like the keto breath Smile
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RE: Fasting
I recently fasted for a period of one month, eating only once per day. So a bunch of 24 hr fasts in other words. Won't lie, felt like crap. But I gained a better understanding of my hunger impulses, and started to take steps to control them. Lost a ton of weight.

I worry though, that it makes me lethargic, and I don't like to do it when I'm working strenuously.

Anyway, think fasting is a good option, but I don't think it's gonna be a miracle solution like some say.
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RE: Fasting
(08-30-2019 09:33 AM)Irn Bru Protein Wrote:  Fasting is cutting on cheat mode.

I go for 23-25 hours a day and eat one meal.

I’m also in my 40s and shredded up like a motherfucker.

For years I banged my head against a brick wall, desperate for 6 pack abs.

Every fucking diet under the sun and to no avail.

Why?

I never learned to control hunger. I created the environment to be hungry several times a day.

Counting calories like some neurotic pussy. I’m sure I almost sprouted a vag, obsessing over ‘macros’.

Now I work out while in a fasted state, torching body fat, with no drop in performance.

Fasting is life.

I second that. I am 37, and have been for most of my life in decent shape and cardiovascular capacity, but always struggled with having visible abs, even while working out 1-2 hours daily 5 times a week for most of my 20's and early 30's.

Now although I am in a state where I am not working out at all, just simple stretches and physiotherapy, I am lean like never before. Eating one meal a day, only beef, eggs, cheese and butter.

I did a 7 day fast, only drinking water, back in Lent in April, from Sunday to Easter Sunday. By the 6th day I was doing 16km on a bicycle pulling my baby daughter asleep in a trailer, feeling as energized as ever.

Lost 8 pounds (from 171 down to 163 lbs, on a 6'2" frame) during the 7 days, and regained 5 lbs by the 3rd day after resuming eating.

The senses become extremely sensitive during a long fast. My sense of smell was heightened to the point where I could distinguish the salad dressing and everything else in other people's meals in the office. Vision and ability to concentrate are improved as well. Kind of like a hunter on the prowl. It was amazing. I will repeat it every Lent, plus a 2nd 7 day fast likely in November or December.

Eating one meal a day also makes it natural to skip a day or 2 of meals. I go on 3 days fast with ease on occasion when it is inconvenient to eat while out and about with my family and I have no access to good beef, eggs and cheese.

(09-09-2019 04:56 PM)Chads Day Off Wrote:  I recently fasted for a period of one month, eating only once per day. So a bunch of 24 hr fasts in other words. Won't lie, felt like crap. But I gained a better understanding of my hunger impulses, and started to take steps to control them. Lost a ton of weight.

I worry though, that it makes me lethargic, and I don't like to do it when I'm working strenuously.

Anyway, think fasting is a good option, but I don't think it's gonna be a miracle solution like some say.
If you binge on carbohydrates on those meals, it would not surprise me that you feel weak, drowsy or hungry in between meals while eating one meal a day. Carbohydrates are your enemy. They increase your insulin and prevent you from going into ketosis, which is the natural state your body prefers to work.

Only in modern day life humans have this abundance of carbohydrates and the so-called well-balanced diet.
There is nothing to balance when you eat nutrient dense food as meat and animal source foods. They are all the body needs.

Vegetables and fruits are like candies, an acquired taste that is the source of gluttony.

It is impossible to binge eat on meat. My body screams "I am done!" after a certain amount because the fats trigger saciety, while carbs put you in permanent hunger as your insulin goes up and down.

Still, after I am completely full and cannot bear to look at my beef, I can 100% stuff myself on shortbread cookies and ice cream. All it takes is saying to one self: "no, thank you".

Carbohydrates are a vice and need to be controlled and policed by us like cigarettes, alcohol, sex and all impulses that lead to a degenerate lifestyle, ridden with sickness of body, mind and spirit.
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I’m contemplating doing 8 / 16 intermittent fasting 6 days a week, and not eating at all on day 7, which would be about a 40 hour fast if my math is accurate.

Anyone tried this before?

I’m really interested in the benefits of fasting. I’m late 40’s now so very motivated to keep my body as healthy as possible for as long as possible.
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(09-22-2019 10:37 PM)SeaFM Wrote:  I’m contemplating doing 8 / 16 intermittent fasting 6 days a week, and not eating at all on day 7, which would be about a 40 hour fast if my math is accurate.

Anyone tried this before?

I’m really interested in the benefits of fasting. I’m late 40’s now so very motivated to keep my body as healthy as possible for as long as possible.

yes I've did this before, days of OMAD and 8/16 IF and then one fast of 36 hours... it was hard... but I managed... never went on a longer fast then 36 hours though.

Google snake juice and make sure you have some of it when doing it... (I just eat the salt mixture instead of drinking it with water though not sure if it's better or worse but I prefer the taste)

Also having a low carb/keto diet the week before helps a lot with the fasting.
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The traditional Christian fasting calendar (kept by Eastern and Oriental churches for the most part in the modern world) provides the most diverse form that I know, it is easy to follow and has a sense beyond the biological.


It is not only about abstaining from food versus not abstaining, but kinds of food, regularity and irregularity. I find this point to be key. For a secular, contemporary (and clear minded) analysis see Nassim Taleb's writings on it.

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Interesting, got a link for Nassim's analysis?
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I tried to find excerpts online, but I could not. They are in, at least, two of his books (which are interesting reads for other reasons too): The Black Swan and Antifragile - though he says all his books are really one, and that it's better to read all of them contained in the volume 'INCERTO' which he has been adding to now via his blog on medium (again, interesting reads).

Pandemics are part and parcel of living in an industrial system.
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Reviving this thread because of relevance in the current time.

I fast every single day and have started eating only one meal a day within a 3-4 hour window (3 course meal with a snack), but consume zero caloric intake and nothing but liquids or herbal teas and drinks during any other time than that window. The longer you hold a fast, the more your body fights off whatever is bothering it. Did a 30 hour water fast last month, it got me over a fever in a day. This guy's video breaks down the longer period fasting better, everything else out there is fadding intermittent fasting (which is great for fasting beginners, but eventually its time to graduate from kindergarten if you want to go higher).





Your body will not lose muscle, in fact, you can even gain muscle if you do this in conjunction with maximum nutrition and weightlifting.

You can't cheat nature.
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My resolution for this year while cutting is to do a 24-hour fast once a week and to do a 72-hour fast once a quarter (whether cutting or not). I also want to try one dry fast, just to say I did. And I need to get back on IF. It's just travel that makes it hard, and I've gotten reacclimated to my (very creamy) morning coffees. Still, I did it for two years straight like five years ago, so I can do it.
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Some great posts in here. I switch between 6/18 intermittent fasting (generally eat between 1pm and 7pm) or simply eat 1 meal per day around 1pm and fast for 24 hours.

I feel the crystal clear thought right now (at 11am). Work, language learning, and instrument practice all feel like they're on "god mode".

Most valuable of all, if you like eating out like I do, then fasting can be a great way to have fun doing this without overeating. You can have a massive lunch/dinner and enjoy yourself then just not eat till the next day. My favourite is lunch at the all-you-can-eat Brazilian steakhouse. Tons of protein with some fat. Don't even feel hungry for the rest of the day.

Overall I think its best not to overthink it. Fasting, for me, is a psychological trick to force myself to eat less overall.
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The problem I have with fasting is twofold

a) I can't sleep fasted because i'm so wired (mentally)
b) I have a distinct lack of "explosive" power during workouts, due to the lack of glucose (felt the same during keto too), also crash hard at the end of my workouts

For those reasons I really hate doing fasts that exceed 24 hrs or so (8pm-8pm is my preferred time range). And IM fasting is better, but I find doing that regularly brings the same exercise-related problems.

I usually try to fast 18-24 hrs once a week, but that's about all I can tolerate. Perhaps if I really want to shed body fat I'll have to accept my workouts won't be as intense.

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I agree with above, just for (a) I am uncomfortable while trying to even fall asleep, and I sleep like a baby typically.
(b) is definitely true for me too; I can workout and do, but I realized that my maximal effort is definitely decreased and sets shortened

I typically go 16-8, but drink coffee, and I know that if I go a few days with much less caloric intake, it is cumulative

at least for Lent I'll be clean all the way around (fish and greens), no booze either
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Truthfully, I believe our bodies are only meant to eat once every three days to gain complete nutritional requirements. That being said, you must be giving your body EVERYTHING during that window of nutritional intake. This forum has tackled lust, is starting to tackle pride, so help me, I'll help it tackle gluttony too! I don't recall reading any passages in the Bible or any other ancient texts that talks about a bunch of workers stopping their daily toils halfway through for a lunch break (it just slows you down), or having to supplement their diet with extracted minerals and ratios. I remember being in the wild and I ate cooked game, plus some roasted vegetables over a fire pit, and not being hungry for a day and a half, because that food was so nutrient packed I just did not need anything else. Of course drinking a ton of water, but other than that nothing until the window opens again.

Autophagy is a key component in anti-aging, or more appropriately, extremely slowed-down cellular aging. Think about it, whoever would have thought that the best way to resist the medical mafia and big pharma is to just not eat, and you'd be ten times better off.

@Batman_ the thing with fasting not helping a huge workout is, you need to eat everything the day before, and take a liquid only drink the morning of before you go in for a big lift, and you will have explosive power. Some of the best lifts I've ever had were fasting of up to 18-20 hours. Think about it, with no food in your body, your heart will not be pumping blood to the GI tract to engage the process of digestion, which raises insulin and concurrently lowers HGH. Instead there will be no digestion occurring during your lift in which all your oxygen and energy will be diverted to the muscles and tendons/joints themselves. I have three friends who swear by it now, seen one of them deadlift over 500 after a 20 hour fast.

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This is inspiring. I am designing a Lenten fast. I have done Autophagi before.
No eating until 3pm. (All Days Except Sunday, where I will eat at 1pm or after mass)
Mondays, Wednesdays: 1 Main meal with Eggs/Fish (evening), + Vegetarian smaller Meal (3pm)
Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays: 1 Main meal with meat (evening) + vegetarian smaller meal (3pm)
Fridays: Vegetables, nuts etc only (after 3pm)
Sundays: Free Day after Mass
Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, + Possible elected chosen days in between - Full Day Fast.
Liquids: I am allowing only Coffee during the morning part of my fast, need the energy for office work. I will allow my pre sleep tea.

I was wondering if you guys think I will crash too hard or who I should prepare this next week to ease into it. I've done intermittent fasting successfully before. I made sure to keep lots of meat days and not put too many vegetarian days in because the 3pm might be tough enough, and I don't want to suddenly deprive my body of things. I will have to make a conscience effort to eat quality food for my meals.

Any tips are appreciated! Suggested Changes too

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There is nothing wrong with one fast per week.

Before eating windows became fashionable, Brad Pilon wrote a book in 2007 about the benefits of a single 18-24 hour fast during the week. If you wanted to ramp up your fat loss you could do two of them in one week, although more than that he did not recommend.

Fasting worked well for me when it worked, although I suffered greatly from electrolyte issues because it was not common knowledge to slam salt like the Snake Diet guy recommends. Coffee, diet drinks, water, and gum were also encouraged, which does not help matters. I also worked heavy manual labor jobs, which combined with the lackluster diet (hard to plan around a 14 hour work day) contributed to a propensity towards alcoholism.

As far as autophagy, a zero carb diet will accomplish all of that and much more, as the nature of it mimics the benefits of fasting. My skin tags have nearly disappeared and I'm only 3 weeks in.
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