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(03-28-2020 10:21 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Is it true they cut large parts of the original texts out?

In the case of the New Testament, definitely not. They used a Byzantine text like the one the Vulgate was translated from, not one of the butchered critical texts which most of the 21st century translations are done from.

The Old Testament is a bit trickier. The KJV translators worked from the Hebrew Masoretic Text, made in the middle ages by the Jews who standardized their text and burned all the old copies. The Masoretic Text is different from the Hebrew that St. Jerome translated the Vulgate Old Testament from, and that was different from the Greek Septuagint that the early Christians used (they were quite certain the Jews had screwed with the Hebrew test to delete references to Christ).

Like the medieval scholastics, I learn towards using all of the available Old Testament texts. I usually read from the KJV, but I'll check the Vulgate and Brenton's translation of the Septuagint when I have an Old Testament question.

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I posted this in the Coronavirus thread but also wanted to share it here.

I strongly believe what is going on now is the fulfillment of the 2009 prophecy of world renowned pastor David Wilkerson. (May 19, 1931 – April 27, 2011)

Pastor Wilkerson is most known for his ministry and running faith based rehabilitation programs for drug addicted teens and gang members in New York City. He is also the founding pastor of the non-denominational Times Square Church in New York City.

He is also known for his prophetic messages which to date have all but come true, including the vision he received in 1973 concerning America including:
Quote:"Worldwide recession caused by economic confusion"; "Nature having labor pains"; "A flood of filth and a baptism of dirt in America"; "Rebellion in the home"; and "A persecution madness against truly Spirit filled Christians who love Jesus Christ"

And many more if you read the book, all of which we know to be true in today's day and age with tranny story time, abortion factories, and Christian's being made out to be the enemies of civilization.

I have been a follower of Pastor Wilkerson for many years, he is truly a legit and humble pastor who's only purpose in life was to preach the word of God and the salvation available through Jesus.

Even though his church was pulling in a few million yearly in New York and his books have sold millions of copies all over the world, he opted to live on a modest salary and drive an old Honda so as to remain humble and not corrupted by money.

I'm giving all that background to establish that (although he was the pastor of a very large church) he was not one of those mega church scammer pastors you see on TV. He actually always spoke out against that type of ministry.

Getting to the prophecy now, I remember reading it back in 2009 when he put out the urgent warning. I kept thinking to myself back then, and every-time I re-read it throughout the years "what could possibly affect the whole world and all its major cities during the same time frame?" The answer is finally a here, a massive pandemic caused by a virus.

Here is the full prophecy and my commentary.

Quote:AN URGENT MESSAGE
I am compelled by the Holy Spirit to send out an urgent message to all on our mailing list, and to friends and to bishops we have met all over the world.

AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE - EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US.

When this Virus first started to get large in the US, I kept hearing that many Christian leaders were claiming that it will not affect "the children of God".

That all went out the window when reports of pastors and members in their own church's started to die from the virus. I believe as this gets bigger many Godly men will have their foundations shaken by what awaits us during the outbreak and in the aftermath.


For ten years I have been warning about a thousand fires coming to New York City. It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires—such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago.

"Thousand fires" could literally be fires to come, or it could be a reference to the COVID-19 that is spreading like thousands of fires all over New York City.

I am already seeing reports of looting and rioting in Whuan and Southern Italy, how much longer until this becomes wide spread world wide, especially in the "Major cities all across America."

If things continue to get worse, and forced quarantines actually do happen, you can expect this part of the prophecy to be fulfilled next.


There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be looting—including Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under God’s wrath. In Psalm 11 it is written,

“If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (v. 3).

God is judging the raging sins of America and the nations. He is destroying the secular foundations.

This is one of the parts that most stands out to me "He is destroying the secular foundations."

Look what foundations are taking the harshest hits, sporting (idol worshiping) events, Hollywood, bars/nightclubs, restaurants (which all serve alcohol) globohomo events, pride marches, partying on beaches, etc. etc.

As this progresses, expect more institutions that serve no purpose in society but to spread satan's agenda to be affected by this


The prophet Jeremiah pleaded with wicked Israel, “God is fashioning a calamity against you and devising a plan against you. Oh, turn back each of you from your evil way, and reform your ways and deeds. But they will say, It’s hopeless! For we are going to follow our own plans, and each of us will act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart” (Jeremiah 18:11-12).

In Psalm 11:6, David warns, “Upon the wicked he will rain snares (coals of fire)…fire…burning wind…will be the portion of their cup.” Why? David answered, “Because the Lord is righteous” (v. 7). This is a righteous judgment—just as in the judgments of Sodom and in Noah’s generation.

WHAT SHALL THE RIGHTEOUS DO? WHAT ABOUT GOD’S PEOPLE?

First, I give you a practical word I received for my own direction. If possible lay in store a thirty-day supply of non-perishable food, toiletries and other essentials. In major cities, grocery stores are emptied in an hour at the sign of an impending disaster.

This is the first piece of advice members in these threads started to give, pastor Wilkerson gave us this heads up 11 years ago to be ready.

As for our spiritual reaction, we have but two options. This is outlined in Psalm 11. We “flee like a bird to a mountain.” Or, as David says, “He fixed his eyes on the Lord on his throne in heaven—his eyes beholding, his eyelids testing the sons of men” (v. 4). “In the Lord I take refuge” (v. 1).

I will say to my soul: No need to run...no need to hide. This is God’s righteous work. I will behold our Lord on his throne, with his eye of tender, loving kindness watching over every step I take—trusting that he will deliver his people even through floods, fires, calamities, tests, trials of all kinds.

Note: I do not know when these things will come to pass, but I know it is not far off. I have unburdened my soul to you. Do with the message as you choose.

This is one of the most important parts of the message "I do not know when these things will come to pass, but I know it is not far off." and it wasn't far off, it took place 11 years after he gave the warning.

Now I want to address all the skeptics, think about this, why would such a highly esteemed man risk his whole life's work, all his credibility, and his entire reputation on something that profited him nothing?

He sold nothing, gained nothing, and benefited in no way by giving out this message. Instead, he was doubted, criticized, and called a loon, false prophet, and many other things.

Even to me reading this prophesy over and over throughout the years, knowing the credibility of the pastor, still had my doubts with thoughts like "how could these things happen?", and "it seems so impossible, did he somehow get this prophecy wrong?"

But I knew this man had no reason to lie so I waited, and I strongly believe what he wrote and warned about in 2009 is now here.


God bless and keep you,

In Christ,

DAVID WILKERSON

To anyone reading this, if you haven't yet accepted Jesus Christ as your lord and savior and refuse to do so today, if sometime down the road from now you come to a realization that your life is about to end due to this pandemic and in a way outlined in this prophecy, think back to this post, accept Christ as your savior, and even if you do die, your sins will be forgiven you, you will be saved, and your actual life will just be starting.

Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? - Ezekiel 18:23 (KJV)
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So is there any original manuscripts left apart from the Masoretic?

For now I can only trust Christ's word that his words shall not pass away.

And God didnt permit the Jews from erasing all traces of Jesus' Messiahship.
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Is attending church necessary to accept Jesus for a newcomer? Or is it enough just to self study and pray.
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Jesus is descended from Judah Patrilineally via Joseph without genetic and indirectly via Mary but with genetic descent via the holy spirit.

So yes Jesus is Jewish.
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(03-29-2020 07:40 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  So is there any original manuscripts left apart from the Masoretic?

There's the dead sea scrolls, and I think a couple other bits of Hebrew manuscripts have turned up since the Masoretes did their book burning.

(03-29-2020 07:40 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  For now I can only trust Christ's word that his words shall not pass away.

And God didnt permit the Jews from erasing all traces of Jesus' Messiahship.

For sure. And who knows if the Jews really did any editing? I mean, Jerome trusted them enough to translate the Latin from the Hebrew. I don't think any of the differences in different Christian denominations have arisen based on which Old Testament manuscript is used. Sometimes the stories are a bit out of order compared to each other but you're getting basically the same stories in each version.

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(03-29-2020 10:08 PM)Emperor Constantine Wrote:  
(03-29-2020 07:40 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  So is there any original manuscripts left apart from the Masoretic?

There's the dead sea scrolls, and I think a couple other bits of Hebrew manuscripts have turned up since the Masoretes did their book burning.

(03-29-2020 07:40 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  For now I can only trust Christ's word that his words shall not pass away.

And God didnt permit the Jews from erasing all traces of Jesus' Messiahship.

For sure. And who knows if the Jews really did any editing? I mean, Jerome trusted them enough to translate the Latin from the Hebrew. I don't think any of the differences in different Christian denominations have arisen based on which Old Testament manuscript is used. Sometimes the stories are a bit out of order compared to each other but you're getting basically the same stories in each version.


Agreed I think Jerome even accepted the Hebrew Canon that excluded all the Apocrypha and Deuterocanonical books.

Which is what all Protestant Bibles are about.

Which lines up with Josephus' view of the Hebrew Canon 200 years earlier.
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Speaking of Bible translations and how they can be misleading,

What is the Catholic position on lay people reading and interpreting the Bible?

I know that during the Protestant Reformation, one of the major issues was whether or not lay people should be reading the Bible (as opposed to having it interpreted by priests and scholars).

The old Catholic position seemed to be (correct me if I'm wrong) that lay people should not be reading or interpreting the Bible for themselves, but now virtually all Catholics encourage Bible reading. Even praying the Rosary requires you to read and meditate on certain Bible passages.
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(03-29-2020 10:38 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  Speaking of Bible translations and how they can be misleading,

What is the Catholic position on lay people reading and interpreting the Bible?

I know that during the Protestant Reformation, one of the major issues was whether or not lay people should be reading the Bible (as opposed to having it interpreted by priests and scholars).

The old Catholic position seemed to be (correct me if I'm wrong) that lay people should not be reading or interpreting the Bible for themselves, but now virtually all Catholics encourage Bible reading. Even praying the Rosary requires you to read and meditate on certain Bible passages.

Matthew 4:4
Quote:4But Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

Jesus quoted from Deuteronomy 8:3
Quote:He humbled you, and in your hunger He gave you manna to eat, which neither you nor your fathers had known, so that you might understand that man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of the LORD

Hebrews 4:12
Quote:For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart

https://www.gotquestions.org/sword-of-the-Spirit.html


To deal with error and sin. The word of God is crucial. Our LORD's mastery of the word enabled him to deal with all the temptations of the devil. And like any sword it requires much training and guidance of the holy spirit.(Ephesians 6:13-17)

It is an essential part of the Christian Arsenal.
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OK, so we need the word of God.

But should we be reading and interpreting it ourselves or should that be the job of priests and scholars?

The Catholic Church in the middle ages (during the time of the Protestant Reformation) discouraged lay people from reading and interpreting the Bible (as far as I know). I'm pretty sure at some point it was even forbidden for lay people to read the Bible. I'm sure the Church leaders were not idiots and this was done for a reason.
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Most people were illiterate in those days. There may be some truth to this but I tend to view it as an overblown critique used by Protestants. In recent days we are very much encouraged to run the bible, and to learn within a framework of the Catholic theology.

Churches were adorned with Stainglass windows and statues not just to glorify God but to teach the illiterate these stories.

For professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Rom 1:22
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(03-29-2020 07:42 PM)monsquid Wrote:  Is attending church necessary to accept Jesus for a newcomer? Or is it enough just to self study and pray.

No. Start with the Book of John. Believe the Gospel.

Acts 16
28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

In regards to Baptism in this scripture. Baptism is an outward profession of your faith; not dependent on your salvation. Salvation comes from believing the Gospel. The death burial and resurrection of Christ.

Romans 10:13
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

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(03-29-2020 11:19 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  OK, so we need the word of God.

But should we be reading and interpreting it ourselves or should that be the job of priests and scholars?

The Catholic Church in the middle ages (during the time of the Protestant Reformation) discouraged lay people from reading and interpreting the Bible (as far as I know). I'm pretty sure at some point it was even forbidden for lay people to read the Bible. I'm sure the Church leaders were not idiots and this was done for a reason.

NoMoreTo's response. Plus I think it is due to the lack of faith in the power of God's word to edify the masses and to do the work that I quoted from Hebrews.

The very nature of God's word is supernatural and does its work.

I think the men of the Reformation addressed this. That whilst it is risky and may help to give rise to heresies. The benefits will far outweigh the downsides as individuals knowing the Word of God have the necessary tools to deal with sin and error.

Jesus' and the Apostles didn't have Priests to interpret the Scriptures for them. But the Holy Spirit moved them.
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I'm going to post this here as I don't know the best thread for it.

A few days ago I had an extremely strange set of experiences.

I've written before on the forum that as I've found God again, there have been occurrences that have been taken place. This falls into that category.

I pray every day and mark it down in a habit journal. Last Thursday I went to take a nap and had the thought in my head that I hadn't prayed that day. As I was in a hypnagogic between waking consciousness and dreaming I heard a voice in my head that seemed outside of myself say "Don't bother why pray?" I decided to ask "Who are you?" and I got a reply "Asmod" something to that effect.

So I think this is nothing and fall asleep.

Later that evening I go for a walk. I've been working from home so I walk or jog a few miles to get out of the house.

Ahead I see a woman walking a black dog. I continue to walk and then head to the mailbox to pick up my mail. I run into this woman and she seems startled. Then her dog looks up at me and it's eyes are glowing green in an uncanny way. The dog didn't seem vicious just not normal.

Then the next day I get a text from an old hookup I haven't spoken to in ages, pretty much asking to hang out and most likely guaranteeing sex on demand if I wanted it.

I think all these events are related and somehow show that their are demonic influences (albeit weak) trying to pull me away from the right path.

For the record I'm rational, normal, and was completely sober when this happened. I believe the uptick in these events is directly correlated to getting closer to God.
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(03-29-2020 07:42 PM)monsquid Wrote:  Is attending church necessary to accept Jesus for a newcomer? Or is it enough just to self study and pray.

The New Testament epistles were written not just to people, but to churches. The assumption throughout is that Christians will congregate to worship God and help one another in the faith. For the majority of us, the Christian life will always be something communal.

No reason not to do all of the above - accept Jesus, go to church, study, and pray.

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