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(04-01-2020 05:22 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  The Jewish side of my family is "Jewish" only in the racial and ethnic sense, not in the religious sense. I mean, they get together to celebrate Passover and Hanukkah (and I do have an Israeli uncle who I believe might be a member of a synagogue), but that's about it. The rest of them are de facto atheists whose religion is leftism and modernism.

No, they still Jewish. The Leftist / Atheist / Modernist Jews are what are known as Reform / Conservative Jews, or what Trump's Chabbad Jews would call Sabaatean-Frankist Heretics. Their political goals are all about inverting the Natural Law, and legislating so that society has to go along with it.

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Here’s some background on the topic:

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(04-01-2020 04:49 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Thus - your family and friends likely would have better understood if you became a completely secular even anti-Israel Jew, rather than becoming a more right-leaning Christian. That is no surprise to anyone who has understood the mentaliy that is mostly taught via osmosis and is based on the Talmudic perception. I personally would have considered not telling anyone about the conversion - family is family and it depends whether they understand it or whether it forever tranishes the relationship.

Isn't this pretty hypocritical & ironic when Evangelical Christian groups tend to be some of the biggest supporters & bankrollers of "Israel"?
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(04-01-2020 09:58 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 04:49 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Thus - your family and friends likely would have better understood if you became a completely secular even anti-Israel Jew, rather than becoming a more right-leaning Christian. That is no surprise to anyone who has understood the mentaliy that is mostly taught via osmosis and is based on the Talmudic perception. I personally would have considered not telling anyone about the conversion - family is family and it depends whether they understand it or whether it forever tranishes the relationship.

Isn't this pretty hypocritical & ironic when Evangelical Christian groups tend to be some of the biggest supporters & bankrollers of "Israel"?

Emphasis on Evangelical. You probably won't find many Evangelicals on this forum.
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(04-01-2020 05:36 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  
(04-01-2020 05:22 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  The Jewish side of my family is "Jewish" only in the racial and ethnic sense, not in the religious sense. I mean, they get together to celebrate Passover and Hanukkah (and I do have an Israeli uncle who I believe might be a member of a synagogue), but that's about it. The rest of them are de facto atheists whose religion is leftism and modernism.

No, they still Jewish. The Leftist / Atheist / Modernist Jews are what are known as Reform / Conservative Jews, or what Trump's Chabbad Jews would call Sabaatean-Frankist Heretics. Their political goals are all about inverting the Natural Law, and legislating so that society has to go along with it.

Stick with Christ.

Right. I was just pointing out that their religious and political views are more in line with atheism and liberalism than any traditional religion.

I'm not advocating Judaism. There's a reason I'm converting to Christianity. I'm just saying that "reform/modernist" Judaism isn't the same thing as Hasidic and Ultra-Orthodox Judaism.
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In modern times, Jewishness functions more like an ethnic group than a religious group. I've met a large number of Jews through out my life and I don't think I've met a single one that was an actual believer in Judaism. I have met plenty of Jews that keep Jewish traditions it's not out of duty to God. Rather, it's out of a sense of duty to their tribe. If these Jews can be said to worship anything, it's themselves, with 'themselves' in this sentence referring to the Jewish tribe. That's why those rituals are important to them even though all the spiritual content has been drained out. It's these rituals that give their tribe their identity and hence why they need to be continued on, even without any sort of belief in God.

I remember there was a very old thread on this forum back when it was a full on game forum that had a link to a story about some Orthodox Jew that used game and his status as a doctor to go through a bunch of bangs. When the journalist asked him how he reconciles this with his religious beliefs, he said he straight up didn't believe there was anyone up there judging him. When asked why keeps practicing Judaism without belief in God, he says it's because Jews have kept these rituals going for thousands of years. So there it is. The whole purpose of practice has nothing to do with God and everything to do with the Jewish people themselves.
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(04-02-2020 12:25 AM)Wutang Wrote:  In modern times, Jewishness functions more like an ethnic group than a religious group. I've met a large number of Jews through out my life and I don't think I've met a single one that was an actual believer in Judaism. I have met plenty of Jews that keep Jewish traditions it's not out of duty to God. Rather, it's out of a sense of duty to their tribe. If these Jews can be said to worship anything, it's themselves, with 'themselves' in this sentence referring to the Jewish tribe. That's why those rituals are important to them even though all the spiritual content has been drained out. It's these rituals that give their tribe their identity and hence why they need to be continued on, even without any sort of belief in God.

I remember there was a very old thread on this forum back when it was a full on game forum that had a link to a story about some Orthodox Jew that used game and his status as a doctor to go through a bunch of bangs. When the journalist asked him how he reconciles this with his religious beliefs, he said he straight up didn't believe there was anyone up there judging him. When asked why keeps practicing Judaism without belief in God, he says it's because Jews have kept these rituals going for thousands of years. So there it is. The whole purpose of practice has nothing to do with God and everything to do with the Jewish people themselves.

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^Can confirm. Only a tiny minority believe in God, at least in the United States.

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(04-02-2020 12:25 AM)Wutang Wrote:  In modern times, Jewishness functions more like an ethnic group than a religious group. I've met a large number of Jews through out my life and I don't think I've met a single one that was an actual believer in Judaism. I have met plenty of Jews that keep Jewish traditions it's not out of duty to God. Rather, it's out of a sense of duty to their tribe. If these Jews can be said to worship anything, it's themselves, with 'themselves' in this sentence referring to the Jewish tribe. That's why those rituals are important to them even though all the spiritual content has been drained out. It's these rituals that give their tribe their identity and hence why they need to be continued on, even without any sort of belief in God.

I remember there was a very old thread on this forum back when it was a full on game forum that had a link to a story about some Orthodox Jew that used game and his status as a doctor to go through a bunch of bangs. When the journalist asked him how he reconciles this with his religious beliefs, he said he straight up didn't believe there was anyone up there judging him. When asked why keeps practicing Judaism without belief in God, he says it's because Jews have kept these rituals going for thousands of years. So there it is. The whole purpose of practice has nothing to do with God and everything to do with the Jewish people themselves.

In our current times the Jewish mindset is formed mostly by the Holocoust - this is the mental founding myth regardless whether religious or leftist-secular. That is the common denominator that motivtes the behavior. And since this mental self-traumatization is inherently directed against goys/here mostly European Christians, then this becomes the main central point of mental sub-activity.

That means that the very least most promote anti-Western anti-Christian open-borders-White-Christians-gotta-become-a-minority mindset "in order to prevent another Holocoust". That this even includes mass migration of more hostile Muslims into Europe - doesn't matter - logic never mattered in those kind of things. It's akin to many Jews who lived in South Africa and were big advocates for the end of apartheid - then when it was achieved and turned out to be as it turned out - they just left for Israel because the wonderful humanist mission was accomplished.

But all of it is again motivated by this central mentality and inflicted self-trauma and paranoia via the Holocoust.

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It seems to me that the explanation depends on the reaction and the response to the question,

"Who do you say that I am?"

When it comes down to it, this is the universal question. The rest (which may be particularly interesting, complex, or disturbing) are just details.
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It’s a Jewish supremacism like cult. Either you believe you’re the ‘messiah’s’ chosen ones with a divine right to enslave the goyim. Or you’re an atheist that believe in might is right and deception is war. The Jewish master race are the Wolves and the goyim are the evolutionary sheep.

A cultural siege mentality is indoctrinated into each generation that everyone is out to get them, they are completely innocent and they either become bloodthirsty wolves or will be lambs to the slaughter from those evil goyim. Christianity being the biggest threat of all and hold a hyper-gamma jealousy of Christian/European civilization.
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I’ll second Witcoff’s comment. For most of my life I was even unaware of being Jewish half because that side of the family was so virulently atheist and secular that the identity wasn’t passed along to my own mother and it only came up after someone from my family (stupidly) did one of those DNA test things.
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I’ll second Witcoff’s comment. For most of my life I was even unaware of being Jewish half because that side of the family was so virulently atheist and secular that the identity wasn’t passed along to my own mother and it only came up after someone from my family (stupidly) did one of those DNA test things.
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(04-02-2020 12:25 AM)Wutang Wrote:  In modern times, Jewishness functions more like an ethnic group than a religious group. I've met a large number of Jews through out my life and I don't think I've met a single one that was an actual believer in Judaism. I have met plenty of Jews that keep Jewish traditions it's not out of duty to God. Rather, it's out of a sense of duty to their tribe. If these Jews can be said to worship anything, it's themselves, with 'themselves' in this sentence referring to the Jewish tribe. That's why those rituals are important to them even though all the spiritual content has been drained out. It's these rituals that give their tribe their identity and hence why they need to be continued on, even without any sort of belief in God.

I remember there was a very old thread on this forum back when it was a full on game forum that had a link to a story about some Orthodox Jew that used game and his status as a doctor to go through a bunch of bangs. When the journalist asked him how he reconciles this with his religious beliefs, he said he straight up didn't believe there was anyone up there judging him. When asked why keeps practicing Judaism without belief in God, he says it's because Jews have kept these rituals going for thousands of years. So there it is. The whole purpose of practice has nothing to do with God and everything to do with the Jewish people themselves.

In some ways, not too different from Christmas / Easter only Christians (aka barely religious) except that the Jews actually have a distinct tribe to fight for. Christians, Catholics etc. are way too heterogeneous and large in # to really form a tribe unless you're talking about some of the ethnic Orthodox / Catholic churches I guess. But still far more splintered off & small factions compared to the Jewish state of mind.
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In previous times that was the case because they had the concept of “Christendom”.
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(04-01-2020 10:24 PM)SubversiveSquare Wrote:  Isn't this pretty hypocritical & ironic when Evangelical Christian groups tend to be some of the biggest supporters & bankrollers of "Israel"?

Emphasis on Evangelical. You probably won't find many Evangelicals on this forum.
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I'm a reformed evangelical. There are some of us here. This evangelical situation with Israel is due to a novel 19th century doctrine called dispensationalism. This belief is too complex to discuss here, but it became popularized through various revivals, the Scofield and Ryrie study Bibles, the massive bestseller Late Great Planet Earth, TV preachers, Left Behind, and many pastors coming out of Dallas Theological Seminary. It's seeped so far into the culture that I hear people of all denominations assuming it.

Historic protestant churches didn't have any concept of "the Rapture" or the fantastical readings of Daniel and Matthew 24 (most Reformed and Lutherans for example are amillenial to this day). Gary DeMar's "Last Days Madness" is a good book on the topic.

I think it is slowly on the decline.
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