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RE: Starting or joining a community like the Amish
Thinking back on it, my first exposure to a 'planned community' was my parents' church. It was a large protestant domination in the American Midwest made of Southern transplants. Most of them came north to get better jobs than hoeing cotton. I will say this, it was the most cantankerous back-biting, back-stabbing bunch of people I have ever encountered outside a work environment. Although the church claimed to have close to a thousand members, it was the magic 150 who showed up and did the work. So it fits Orlov's definition. It might be why I never sought such communities out of any type. I had plenty of bad experiences listening to my mother whine about the other church ladies to make me never want to go anywhere near it again.
My parents were hardcore church attenders. How often did they go? Let me put it this way, I came of age in the 60's and 70's, but I still have no recollection of what TV shows were on Wednesday night (prayer meeting) or Sunday night ( evening services). So I can see how a religious community could be a determent.
I will point out that this community did not have any kind of farms or industries to support itself. They were not like the German Amish groups mentioned above. Everyone was expected to have a job, support the the family, and dump ten percent of your income to the church. There weren't any of the common 'Mega-churches' around back in those days.
I understand Vaun's reluctance to join some group just to give up your freedom. On the surface, it doesn't seem worth it unless you get to have multiple brides. Smile. And you'd have to support those. However, Master Roosh has pointed out that, in his study of the civil war in Bosnia, people who tried to go it alone didn't last long. Those who had extended networks had a better chance of survival.

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RE: Starting or joining a community like the Amish
(09-24-2016 07:03 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  Alright, you've got me interested. Let's hear your pitch.

My own questions:
Is the land good enough to grow food on?
How's the water situation? Can we be disconnected from the grid?
How do you feel about an onsite brewery?
Do we have to worry about volcanic activity burning our paradise down?
How do you feel about having a hostel on site to bring in girls for the single guys as well as bring in cash on the side?
As leader of the land, how flexible in arguments are you?

As long as some type of statue that looks like me is erected, I'm open to all ideas. There are a lot of Mormons in Laid. Take a look: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laie,_Hawaii. I'd like our core belief system to be the exact opposite as their, so as to attract buzz and so young college BYU girls fresh off the farm from Utah use our facility as a place of refuge. For example, you are absolutely required to drink a caffeinated or alcoholic beverage upon entry. Or a jack and coke to kill two birds. Other than that I'm open.

To answer your questions:

1. The land is zoned agricultural. If cleared it could be perfect farmland.

2. There is a huge catchment tank there, but the house was bulldozed. Along the right side of the land there is a really active stream from the mountains.

3. I'm open to an on site brewery.

4. There hasn't been any volcanic activity on Oahu for about 150000 years. That's no reason to not be prepared.

5. I'm all for a hostel style dwelling. I just don't want yurts. There's a bunch of places like that around there already. Basic single wall construction is a OK.

6. My flexibility in arguments is directly related to how much I've drank. There's a sweet spot I hit around 6 to 8 drinks where I'm just a big ball of love. Once that goes up, I'll admit I can be a little hard headed.

You think about it, the place has been sitting there for years doing nothing.

Aloha!
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RE: Starting or joining a community like the Amish
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It sounds like you should start a home for poor art school chicks. Smile

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09-26-2016 07:46 PM
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(09-24-2016 11:57 PM)Kona Wrote:  [quote='The Beast1' pid='1401206' dateline='1474718605']


To answer your questions:

1. The land is zoned agricultural. If cleared it could be perfect farmland.

2. There is a huge catchment tank there, but the house was bulldozed. Along the right side of the land there is a really active stream from the mountains.

3. I'm open to an on site brewery.

4. There hasn't been any volcanic activity on Oahu for about 150000 years. That's no reason to not be prepared.

5. I'm all for a hostel style dwelling. I just don't want yurts. There's a bunch of places like that around there already. Basic single wall construction is a OK.

6. My flexibility in arguments is directly related to how much I've drank. There's a sweet spot I hit around 6 to 8 drinks where I'm just a big ball of love. Once that goes up, I'll admit I can be a little hard headed.

You think about it, the place has been sitting there for years doing nothing.

Aloha!

I'm all for throwing down $ for something like this. I yonder other RVF members would pool funds, as well.
09-28-2016 02:45 PM
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(09-17-2016 10:32 PM)Kona Wrote:  
(09-17-2016 09:47 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  Does anyone wanna save up their money and go do this together? I have a few grand that I'll pitch in. It sounds fun.

If I get to be the leader I'm in.

I have about 90 acres near Laie on Oahu that would be perfect for our compound. There's tons of fundamentalist Mormons up there that we could network with.

Let me know.

Aloha!

I just want a tiny piece of land titled to me where I can build a tiny house and not have a landlord kick me out.

I've had the idea of a land collective, where each family has it's own small piece of land and some shared facilities to spread costs, such as maybe a swimming pool , recording studio, whatever.

Then if someone becomes alienated, they just retreat to their little place and they and the rest don't have to deal with each other.

I've got $10,000.

If you have 90 acres on Oahu you are very wealthy.


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09-29-2016 12:27 AM
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(09-29-2016 12:27 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  
(09-17-2016 10:32 PM)Kona Wrote:  
(09-17-2016 09:47 PM)BrewDog Wrote:  Does anyone wanna save up their money and go do this together? I have a few grand that I'll pitch in. It sounds fun.

If I get to be the leader I'm in.

I have about 90 acres near Laie on Oahu that would be perfect for our compound. There's tons of fundamentalist Mormons up there that we could network with.

Let me know.

Aloha!

I just want a tiny piece of land titled to me where I can build a tiny house and not have a landlord kick me out.

I've had the idea of a land collective, where each family has it's own small piece of land and some shared facilities to spread costs, such as maybe a swimming pool , recording studio, whatever.

Then if someone becomes alienated, they just retreat to their little place and they and the rest don't have to deal with each other.

I've got $10,000.

If you have 90 acres on Oahu you are very wealthy.

Its ag/preservation land, about 10% of it is almost vertical, and another 20 is a decent slope. Theres a lot of limits on what can be built on it, also. So I'm not very wealthy.

Hawaii is weird about land titles. It can't be subdivided for another 20 years. The way to do it is to draw up exactly which portion will transfer in the future, then I give you a promissory note for that. I charge a use fee of sorts, or work out a trade in the meantime.

I wrote up a similar deal with a guy that keeps some construction equipment out there. To get it drawn and with lawyer fees it was about $2500.

I'm sure we could work it out somehow.

On this island, you never know where somebody is going to want to develop, so in 20 years it could be a mint, but I doubt it.

If any of you guys want to go out there and go camping let me know. As long as you are verifiable through someone on here who isn't JJ Robertsish. I don't need permasquatters. You also have to understand its jungly out there. There's bad mosquitoes and wild pigs.

The commune idea is great. The land needs to get cleared out, and that could be step one.

Aloha!
09-29-2016 01:18 AM
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RE: Starting or joining a community like the Amish
Not sure if you guys have ever come across Shofar Mountain in the Ozarks? Pretty cool dude is on Youtube blogging about the settlement and work they do under Vikingpreparedness.

He's got a good sound message - very red pilled from a guy who has been there and brought home the t-shirt.
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Thought I’d revive this old thread as I think the coronavirus pandemic may have more people thinking this way. It drives home how our modern society is clearly too fragile, as Nicholas Taleb would put it. What do you think?

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The biggest problem I see (especially in light of recent revelations) is how you would go about getting together a group of people who are not only willing to live simple, unpretentious lives but who also aren't basically dirty-hippy libertarian assholes (ie the type that will strut around naked to make a point).

Okay, that last bit is an exaggeration, but you know what I mean. Most modern libertarians exist to push every social boundary just to get attention and make a point. One of the reasons that HOAs exist is because you really don't want one bad egg ruining the whole neighborhood.

For guys with a military background maybe building a series of timeshare cabins in a single location with a bunch of former military types is the best option. At least you'll be mostly on the same page in terms of expectations and it will keep initial costs down. Then guys can buy in and sell out as the need requires.

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Intentional communities require a group of people who are in perfect sync. How often does that happen in other aspects of life? Think romance, friendship, business? People change over time and kids rarely follow their parents' traditions anymore. So everything I've read about intentional communities reflects this, that they may start out OK but things break down pretty quickly as people leave or get into power-struggles on how to manage things. For all intents and purposes intentional communities do have to function like businesses, BTW. They have expenses to deal with, the original price of the land, the property taxes, utilities (if any). This requires there to be some sort of for-profit enterprise to be run there, either a small farm, or selling out by selling parts of the land to those who have the money but don't have the mindset.

The US is if nothing else symbolic of hyper-individualism and that works hard against the sort of cultural conformity required to keep an intentional community together. No matter how much you try to impose a strict subsistence lifestyle within, everyone knows damn well that their needs can be easily met with a Wal Mart and free WIFI at McDonalds nearby. So there's no way to instill a sense of interdependence that is required. People can and will tap out when the going gets rough or the temptation grows enough.
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