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RE: Model accuses Harvey Weinstein of "molesting" her
(02-25-2020 07:33 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 03:24 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  @Rob Banks

Marital rape is a thing. Even though it is actually impossible. If the woman is physically hurt it would be assault.

But our current laws don't work like this.

Yes, I am aware that "marital rape" (notice the quote marks) laws exist.

My point is that you're kind of a naive idiot if you marry a woman who would use these laws against you.

What if armed robbery was legal? What if your best friend decided to rob you at gunpoint? Would you blame the laws, or would you blame yourself for having a "best friend" who was willing to do this to you?

I'm not active in a sexual relationship with my best friend ...?


Not saying you're right or wrong or am i taking a side, but the dynamic and analogy are different because of the sexes.

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RE: Model accuses Harvey Weinstein of "molesting" her
(02-24-2020 02:07 PM)911 Wrote:  The difference between Weinstein and the average schmuck who gets blackballed is that Weinstein's victimsis list of accusers is literally 100 deep, and he hired Mosad thugs to intimidate and threaten many of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Wei...s#Accusers

Some of these women did fully consent to the casting couch, but many if not most were coerced, then discouraged from complaining due to the power differential on one hand and their career prospects on the other, he used both the carrot and the stick.

You guys are throwing the baby with the bathwater here, sure false accusations are a thing, but it doesn't mean that real rapists like him should walk. The odds of him being guilty of rape are way above 99.9%.

People here aren't looking for Odds of guilt, but rather Evidence of guilt.
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RE: Model accuses Harvey Weinstein of "molesting" her
(02-25-2020 08:35 AM)pitbullowner Wrote:  
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Yes, I am aware that "marital rape" (notice the quote marks) laws exist.

My point is that you're kind of a naive idiot if you marry a woman who would use these laws against you.

What if armed robbery was legal? What if your best friend decided to rob you at gunpoint? Would you blame the laws, or would you blame yourself for having a "best friend" who was willing to do this to you?

I'm not active in a sexual relationship with my best friend ...?


Not saying you're right or wrong or am i taking a side, but the dynamic and analogy are different because of the sexes.

So you're saying that because you're in an active sexual relationship with your wife, that means the two of you should have less trust for each other?

It seems to me it should be the opposite.

If you are trusting this woman to be the mother of your children, how is it that you can't trust her to not have you thrown in jail as a rapist?

It seems to me that if you are in an active sexual relationship with someone, then being able to trust them is very important (more so than if the person were just a platonic friend). The fact that this isn't obvious speaks volumes about the current state of our culture.
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Leftist outlets keep harping on about Weinstein coercing the women into doing sexual favors because he had such a power differential over them such that he could destroy their careers and make them unemployable in Hollywood. How can that be? It's not like Jews own and control Hollywood or something. That's an anti-Semitic canard!

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If Weinstein can't bang chicks because of a "power deferential" where does that leave DiCaprio?
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(02-25-2020 07:33 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 03:24 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  @Rob Banks

Marital rape is a thing. Even though it is actually impossible. If the woman is physically hurt it would be assault.

But our current laws don't work like this.


My point is that you're kind of a naive idiot if you marry a woman who would use these laws against you.

The naive idiot is the man that doesn't believe many many men, smarter than you or I, have been duped by women they thought trustworthy

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(02-25-2020 11:36 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  If Weinstein can't bang chicks because of a "power deferential" where does that leave DiCaprio?

His women dont leave the relationship with DiCaprio feeling dirty and disgusted with themselves.

No regrets = no rape

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All the smiling and gloating at the press conference is really strange for women who were raped.
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(02-25-2020 12:28 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 11:36 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  If Weinstein can't bang chicks because of a "power deferential" where does that leave DiCaprio?

His women dont leave the relationship with DiCaprio feeling dirty and disgusted with themselves.

No regrets = no rape

Brown beta male Aiz Ansari goes for an awkward one night stand and nearly loses his career. DiCaprio has been dicking and flipping young, naive models for well over 20 years, yet almost nothing is said of his clear history of toxic masculinity and rape culture. I guarantee you Kobe’s infamous rape incident is repeated every night in every NBA city in the country, the difference being, despite a sore pussy and being prompty tossed out their ass, 99% of women leave with a smile on their face and a dopamine high from the validation of being a top .00001% man’s sperm dump for the evening.
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(02-25-2020 12:24 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 07:33 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 03:24 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  @Rob Banks

Marital rape is a thing. Even though it is actually impossible. If the woman is physically hurt it would be assault.

But our current laws don't work like this.


My point is that you're kind of a naive idiot if you marry a woman who would use these laws against you.

The naive idiot is the man that doesn't believe many many men, smarter than you or I, have been duped by women they thought trustworthy

For every man who's been "duped", there are over 10 who are in a pretty decent marital situation as heads of their families.

There are also those that are getting duped into not even trying anymore, all the various shades of MGTOW, guys who are married to their bank accounts and too weary to trust any woman. These guys are eventually going to have to trust a strange woman making $15/hr to change their diapers in the last years of their lives...

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(02-24-2020 02:07 PM)911 Wrote:  The difference between Weinstein and the average schmuck who gets blackballed is that Weinstein's victimsis list of accusers is literally 100 deep, and he hired Mosad thugs to intimidate and threaten many of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Wei...s#Accusers

Some of these women did fully consent to the casting couch, but many if not most were coerced, then discouraged from complaining due to the power differential on one hand and their career prospects on the other, he used both the carrot and the stick.

You guys are throwing the baby with the bathwater here, sure false accusations are a thing, but it doesn't mean that real rapists like him should walk. The odds of him being guilty of rape are way above 99.9%.

The odds of him being guilty of rape are above 99.9%?

So you believe he literally grabbed these women and violently forced them to have sex while they were kicking and screaming and trying to get away? Because that's what "rape" means.

"Discouraged from complaining because they are afraid to lose their careers" ≠ rape.

If your sister or daughter had a boss who threatened to fire her and ruin her career unless she had sex with him, would you advise her to do it or would you tell her to just quit the job?

What if the boss actually had the power to ruin her career? What if your sister or daughter's options were to either have sex with her boss or to accept that her career was ruined? Would you then advise her to have sex with her boss, or would you tell her "your career is not worth sacrificing your dignity"?
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In a civilized country, the brother of father of these women molested by Weinstein would make him pay, severely so, and not monetarily.

That hasn't been a part of American culture for many decades though, a culture reshaped by extreme individualism, feminism and celebrity culture worship. This culture has enabled Weinstein to have a casting couch harem of hundreds of starlets he can game or overpower with impunity, up to now.

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Holy shit...is there some positivism leaking into this thread? Im going to choose to believe it is

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(02-25-2020 02:37 PM)911 Wrote:  In a civilized country, the brother of father of these women molested by Weinstein would make him pay, severely so, and not monetarily.

That hasn't been a part of American culture for many decades though, a culture reshaped by extreme individualism, feminism and celebrity culture worship. This culture has enabled Weinstein to have a casting couch harem of hundreds of starlets he can game or overpower with impunity, up to now.

In a civilized society, the brother or father of these women wouldn't let them prostitute themselves for fame and money.
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(02-25-2020 02:37 PM)911 Wrote:  In a civilized country, the brother of father of these women molested by Weinstein would make him pay, severely so, and not monetarily.

That hasn't been a part of American culture for many decades though, a culture reshaped by extreme individualism, feminism and celebrity culture worship. This culture has enabled Weinstein to have a casting couch harem of hundreds of starlets he can game or overpower with impunity, up to now.

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The traditional solution would've been a physical visit by a masculine figure in said woman's life.
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(02-25-2020 03:34 PM)dicknixon72 Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 02:37 PM)911 Wrote:  In a civilized country, the brother of father of these women molested by Weinstein would make him pay, severely so, and not monetarily.

That hasn't been a part of American culture for many decades though, a culture reshaped by extreme individualism, feminism and celebrity culture worship. This culture has enabled Weinstein to have a casting couch harem of hundreds of starlets he can game or overpower with impunity, up to now.

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The traditional solution would've been a physical visit by a masculine figure in said woman's life.

Traditional prevention would have been an unaccompanied woman not visiting a man alone in his hotel room armed only with hopes of a quid pro quo

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(02-25-2020 01:45 PM)911 Wrote:  
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(02-25-2020 07:33 AM)Rob Banks Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 03:24 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  @Rob Banks

Marital rape is a thing. Even though it is actually impossible. If the woman is physically hurt it would be assault.

But our current laws don't work like this.


My point is that you're kind of a naive idiot if you marry a woman who would use these laws against you.

The naive idiot is the man that doesn't believe many many men, smarter than you or I, have been duped by women they thought trustworthy

For every man who's been "duped", there are over 10 who are in a pretty decent marital situation as heads of their families.

There are also those that are getting duped into not even trying anymore, all the various shades of MGTOW, guys who are married to their bank accounts and too weary to trust any woman. These guys are eventually going to have to trust a strange woman making $15/hr to change their diapers in the last years of their lives...

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(02-24-2020 02:45 PM)Rob Banks Wrote:  If you only marry a woman who you can trust not to accuse you of rape (not a very high bar considering this is the woman you're marrying) and you don't have sex with anyone besides her, then it absolutely is easy to avoid false rape charges.

When you get married, you're supposed to be able to trust the woman to be a good mother to your children. How can you do that if you can't even trust her to not have you thrown in jail for 25 years on false charges?

To the people saying that it is impossible to find a trustworthy woman in this day and age:

I don't know what the solution is. Maybe meeting a woman through church or other wholesome activities is the way to go. Maybe you should go abroad to a more traditional country and find a wife there. I don't know. I don't really have any solid advice when it comes to meeting a good wife. But what I do know is that the solution is not settling for a woman you can't trust, and it is also not giving up on marriage and pursuing casual sex.

You missed my point entirely. Another woman can make any accusation she wishes. Mike Pence's approach used to be considered extreme but it's about the only one you can use nowadays if you truly want to avoid a woman's accusation being able to stick (always having 1 or multiple people around you and other women).

You think that finding/marrying a woman who will be faithful to you and not sleeping with other women would stop another woman from accusing you of molesting/raping her. THAT is why Weinstein being found guilty with zero physical proof and almost all the accusers continuing to have relations with him willingly is scary as shit. It's not justice. He MAY be a rapist but he hasn't been proven to be one.

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Was HW a Cad - clearly. But listening to Cyrus Vance Jr. today lauding the ladies as heroines in the fight against "sexual violence" was disconcerting, to say the least.

What was the Sexual Violence? Did said sexual violence occur because he was guilty of being a hideous old Jewish troll who insisted on consensual sex but then the ladies suffered from morning-after guilt and therefore accused him of being sexually violent by penetrating their precious orchids with his violent toxic male phallus - and all of a sudden this is now construed as Sexual Violence and this 67-year-old man now is looking at 5 to 27 years in a federal for-profit anti-toxic male penitentiary... We are all but one sexual violence accusation away from joining him.

Always check your female partner's meds cabinets to make sure you are not about to be accused by a BPD or otherwise psych-meds abusing wack job.

This is basically leading to a situation whereby unless you are on these women's top ten bangable men's list - otherwise, you need a written release that they agree to consensual sex with you and that it was fully mutual otherwise Orange is your new Black.


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Hands up if you're willing to return to the societal obligations that created due process in a court of law. It involves having a notch count of one for your whole life.

Or do you want the decadence of pre-collapse Rome?

The reality is that the only men who are being cheated right now are the ones who've been living to a more civilised standard their entire lives and are still stuck in this mess with the rest of us. If you have a double or triple digit notch count then you are not entitled to a civilisation built on the foundations of self-denial of immediate gratification in pursuit of the greater good. That includes me, just so you don't think I'm exempting myself.

We are getting what we deserve, and we sure as hell don't have any right to complain if we're not even willing to alter the behaviour which brought us here.

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I have referenced this before and that is being a good man versus a nice guy who is a pushover.

This is basically your ability to channel your deepest dark-triad self if she ever thinks that screwing you over is an option.

I have found that teaching women self-defense with a laser-guided sidearm is quite an effective start. Demonstrating your mastery over said tool is a very effective way of sending a not too subtle message.

For a woman to feel safe - she has to know you would kill anyone who might ever harm her or her children.

For a woman to feel loved she has to know you would kill anyone that would try to take her from you.

For a woman's hypergamy to be held in check she has to know you would kill her if she ever tried to screw you over - only in these ways can she calm her soul.

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(02-25-2020 09:06 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Hands up if you're willing to return to the societal obligations that created due process in a court of law. It involves having a notch count of one for your whole life.

Or do you want the decadence of pre-collapse Rome?

The reality is that the only men who are being cheated right now are the ones who've been living to a more civilised standard their entire lives and are still stuck in this mess with the rest of us. If you have a double or triple digit notch count then you are not entitled to a civilisation built on the foundations of self-denial of immediate gratification in pursuit of the greater good. That includes me, just so you don't think I'm exempting myself.

We are getting what we deserve, and we sure as hell don't have any right to complain if we're not even willing to alter the behaviour which brought us here.

So if (God forbid ) one of your son's was to have fully consensual sex with a girl before marriage and picked up rape charge would you say "Well son youre getting what you deserve" and tell him to plead guilty?

Or would you sell every last possession, beg borrow, steal and even kill the fucking hypocrites railroading him if necessary in order to fight for his freedom to your last breath?

Its a rhetorical question as I already know the answer as its the same as mine. And I dont even have a son

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(02-25-2020 09:41 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 09:06 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Hands up if you're willing to return to the societal obligations that created due process in a court of law. It involves having a notch count of one for your whole life.

Or do you want the decadence of pre-collapse Rome?

The reality is that the only men who are being cheated right now are the ones who've been living to a more civilised standard their entire lives and are still stuck in this mess with the rest of us. If you have a double or triple digit notch count then you are not entitled to a civilisation built on the foundations of self-denial of immediate gratification in pursuit of the greater good. That includes me, just so you don't think I'm exempting myself.

We are getting what we deserve, and we sure as hell don't have any right to complain if we're not even willing to alter the behaviour which brought us here.

So if (God forbid ) one of your son's was to have fully consensual sex with a girl before marriage and picked up rape charge would you say "Well son youre getting what you deserve" and tell him to plead guilty?

Or would you sell every last possession, beg borrow, steal and even kill the fucking hypocrites railroading him if necessary in order to fight for his freedom to your last breath?

Its a rhetorical question as I already know the answer as its the same as mine. And I dont even have a son

Obviously I'm not allowed to talk about what I'd do, suffice to say I'm doing my best to divorce myself from the shitty system I live in, at least on a spiritual and psychological level.

My point is that we have little right to complain on a social level that this sort of shit is happening. It boils down to this.

Harvey is a scumbag.
Harvey got what was coming to him.
None of us are in a moral position to demand due process for Harv because we have all participated routinely in the destruction of the society due process was built over.

We might not personally deserve the worst of what this social degradation has to offer, but we're also in no position to bitch and moan that things have come to this.

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
(This post was last modified: 02-26-2020 03:26 AM by Leonard D Neubache.)
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(02-25-2020 08:55 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  otherwise, you need a written release that they agree to consensual sex with you and that it was fully mutual otherwise Orange is your new Black.

She signs a written consent form detailing full consent in engaging in all manner of sexual activity with you.

But two days later she goes to the media and/or Twitter with mascara streaming down her face to say she signed the form under duress and, besides that, changed her mind and said "no" after the third thrust.

How do you defend yourself?
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(02-26-2020 09:54 AM)griffinmill Wrote:  
(02-25-2020 08:55 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  otherwise, you need a written release that they agree to consensual sex with you and that it was fully mutual otherwise Orange is your new Black.

She signs a written consent form detailing full consent in engaging in all manner of sexual activity with you.

But two days later she goes to the media and/or Twitter with mascara streaming down her face to say she signed the form under duress and, besides that, changed her mind and said "no" after the third thrust.

How do you defend yourself?

The only real option is to secretly audio record most sexual encounters on an iPhone app.

It is cheap, extremely easy, and should the worst happen, you have undeniable proof that no one was raped.

Men were skeptical before that this was necessary. I hope it is clear now just how necessary it is.

My honest guess is that, for any normal man, the odds of police coming after him for a hookup from years ago are absolutely miniscule, less than 1 in 10,000.

But moving forward, we are in a different era. We have been for a year or two. Random hookups, and in fact all relationships, are significantly more hazardous than they used to be.
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