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Just thanks, man. (replying to
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74782...pid2071396)
For those who might doubt, this forum has once again delivered valuable data (above from Polniy), posted online.

I mean, the whole world is wondering about the chloroquine situation, and you've just explained why we should not blindly trust this Raoult (Alt-Left) Senegalese-French professor. (Especially, say, as chloroquine prolonged treatments can easily lead to blindness)

Because his sample is biased. First, he chose who's going to which testing group or the other (surely he sent the weak volunteers to the Placebo Group), and secondly he informed the Placebo dudes that they were indeed getting no medication at all (thus breaking blind-test rules).

This explanation, though simple, was not, I think, available on the Internet as of today, so, once again thanks for posting.
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Quote: Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul has blamed “dirty” Caucasian tourists for infecting Thailand

I think we can admit that a lot of those backpackers are disgusting. Especially the ones who go overseas and then beg for travel money.

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(03-22-2020 08:22 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(03-22-2020 07:29 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Internal WHO report (confidential , won't be published)

This notation system takes into account the measures already taken , that's why in this report you won't see Italy or China or South Korea for example.

All the countries below are classified under 3 categories - all of them present a high risk of virus propagation and many casualties to come. Cat 1 is the worse (expect bad things to happen) and Cat 3 is the less bad. But even cat 3 are still in the HIGH-RISK .
This is of course based on yesterday's situation:

HIGH RISK COUNTRIES

Cat 1 - Portugal , Ecuador , Turkey.
Cat 2 - Luxembourg , Norway , Denmark ,Brazil , Indonesia , Belgium , Switzerland , Germany.
Cat 3 - Austria , Algeria , Sweden , Netherlands , UK , USA , France , Spain , Iran.

USA hast just moved to Cat 2
Peru and Greece enter in the list ( not precised where but i think that means in cat 3)

Why is Turkey, which took this thing very seriously from the beginning, Cat 1, while UK and USA which are still ineffectively flailing around are somehow Cat 3? What is the reasoning for this?

And how did Iran not end up in Cat 1?

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(03-22-2020 09:03 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(03-22-2020 08:22 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(03-22-2020 07:29 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Internal WHO report (confidential , won't be published)

This notation system takes into account the measures already taken , that's why in this report you won't see Italy or China or South Korea for example.

All the countries below are classified under 3 categories - all of them present a high risk of virus propagation and many casualties to come. Cat 1 is the worse (expect bad things to happen) and Cat 3 is the less bad. But even cat 3 are still in the HIGH-RISK .
This is of course based on yesterday's situation:

HIGH RISK COUNTRIES

Cat 1 - Portugal , Ecuador , Turkey.
Cat 2 - Luxembourg , Norway , Denmark ,Brazil , Indonesia , Belgium , Switzerland , Germany.
Cat 3 - Austria , Algeria , Sweden , Netherlands , UK , USA , France , Spain , Iran.

USA hast just moved to Cat 2
Peru and Greece enter in the list ( not precised where but i think that means in cat 3)

Why is Turkey, which took this thing very seriously from the beginning, Cat 1, while UK and USA which are still ineffectively flailing around are somehow Cat 3? What is the reasoning for this?

And how did Iran not end up in Cat 1?

Cat 3 is highest risk and Cat 1 is lowest risk.
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(03-22-2020 08:12 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  As promised , about the chloroquine treatment being criticized by my source
A bit of context : In France , there is a doctor called RAOULT making some videos saying that a treatment with chloroquine can stop the coronavirus.
(my personal note : the doctor seems to have a 30th degree free mason ring on his hand, and he wrote in a book in the past in favor of migrants...)

here is what the source says about Pr Didier RAOULT's treatment :

This doctor has been saying this , in a chronological order :
-This world is crazy , people worry for nothing , a few Chinese are dying on the other side of the planet , i don't really care about this"
-The seasonal flu is killing more every year more than this Coronavirus , it is stupid to worry
-France is ready and will be able to stop every risk of infection thanks to people like me
-Scooter accidents are provoking more death than Covid-19
-There is no risk of pandemics , in additional respiration viruses are seasonal , so at sprint it will be gone.

After being wrong at all level he has just published a video ( in french - Coronavirus , you are done) where he claims that Chinese people found Chloroquine treatment to stop it . This was some time ago and he was proven to be wrong.
For those who are interested in science / biology :
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/w...I_IJAA.pdf

So , i will make it simple , the possibility of Chloroquine being a treament , why not - but his study , is absolute CRAP and I m proving it :

-When we test a remedy/medics - we create two groups . The first one gets a placebo , and the other group gets the treatment. This way , we can compare after a certain amount of time what happens to both. We try to do this with as many people as possible in the groups , so the result will be as realistic as possible. If the groups are too small , we cannot determine what is the part of luck or randomness - so the more people , the better it is .

The study in question here is an "open label, non-randomized clinical trial", which is the worst possible format of study , because both the doctor and the patient know in which group they are . Conventionally , it is best to do a protocol in double-blind (?) to avoid any manipulation - it is a basic security mechanism which the Prof. RAOULT ignored on purpose.

In addition , the fact that it is "non-randomized" means that the groups were not following a draw. The authors of the study deliberately choose who will get chloroquine and who won't. It is extremely problematic , since nothing proves us that he doesn't put "high potential" patients in a group and "low potential ' patients in another. Furthermore there is no reliable statistics in both group.

In the Chloroquine group - allegedly having good results - the authors have excluded 3 patients transferred in intensive care and 1 deceased patient. So if you are feeling better , we keep you in the Chloroquine group. If you go to intensive care or die , we do not count you in the group. They have even excluded from the group people suffering from too heavy side-effects....

There are many other bias (biases?) taken by Prof.RAOULT (or manipulations) - so for instance the chroloquine group patients have only been taken in Marseille - not in other parts of the country. The deceased patient has died after 3 days of study - while it was more than 24 hours that he was "negative" in viral load(?) . But this Prof. still explains that when the viral load has gone , the patient is fine....

So even if the study had been conducted very well - which wasn't the case- we can still die if ther is a negative viral load. So what is the point to make this study at all since the goal of the study is to measure the viral load ?!

To conclude - this was made on a very restricted amount of people . This is a simply a really bad study. This prof. is either a fraud or an idiot (or both) because everything he predicted so far was wrong - BUT - this doesn't mean that Chloroquine doesn't work , we simply don't know if it does , and even if it would it is potentially dangerous , even if it would suppress the viral load , which is not established in vivo , this wouldn't make it a reliable remedy since someone died 24 hours after having being tested negative.

Thanks. IMO this does not discredit cloroquine in any way as a potentially effective treatment only that one scientist ran bad protocol when studying it. As far as I know there are NO rigorous scientific studies proving its effecasy but it is reported to have been effective in the field in China, South Korea and australia. Also In vitro studies have clearly shown how it works as zink ionophore blocking virus entry into cells.

This drug supposedly stops the virus from reproducing in the body by creating a gate that allows zink into the cells which stops the virus from entering and gaining control of the cell. it produces a effect like acyclovir for herpes. if you already have too many infected cell causing damage you could still die from the virus as it does nothing to cure infected cells only slowing their spread in the body.

Hopefully with so much attention on it now we will get solid data in the next months about its real effecasy.
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(03-22-2020 09:06 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:  
(03-22-2020 09:03 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(03-22-2020 08:22 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(03-22-2020 07:29 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Internal WHO report (confidential , won't be published)

This notation system takes into account the measures already taken , that's why in this report you won't see Italy or China or South Korea for example.

All the countries below are classified under 3 categories - all of them present a high risk of virus propagation and many casualties to come. Cat 1 is the worse (expect bad things to happen) and Cat 3 is the less bad. But even cat 3 are still in the HIGH-RISK .
This is of course based on yesterday's situation:

HIGH RISK COUNTRIES

Cat 1 - Portugal , Ecuador , Turkey.
Cat 2 - Luxembourg , Norway , Denmark ,Brazil , Indonesia , Belgium , Switzerland , Germany.
Cat 3 - Austria , Algeria , Sweden , Netherlands , UK , USA , France , Spain , Iran.

USA hast just moved to Cat 2
Peru and Greece enter in the list ( not precised where but i think that means in cat 3)

Why is Turkey, which took this thing very seriously from the beginning, Cat 1, while UK and USA which are still ineffectively flailing around are somehow Cat 3? What is the reasoning for this?

And how did Iran not end up in Cat 1?

Cat 3 is highest risk and Cat 1 is lowest risk.

no,it's the opposite. cat 1 is the riskiest.
Turkey hasn't taken things seriously at all since the beginning.They were one of the last to act.
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Regarding Chloroquine the treatment is interesting however preliminary.

I didn't look into the methodology of the study, but it's a small sample size and seems biased according to the information provided above.

The antiviral and antiparasitic mechanisms of this drug are not well known. It's also used for some autoimmune disorders and nobody knows how that works. One theory is that it complexes Zinc ions allowing them to better enter the cell.

It needs to be studied further even though it looks great at first glance.

Also keep in mind the pharma powers that be may want to suppress this therapy.

How dare an old drug that can be made for pennies treat this apocalyptic virus? I'm sure their antivirals that cost you tens of thousands of dollars will work better right?

Pharmaceutical companies have done a lot of good over the years, but have also made numerous questionable ethical decisions chasing profits.
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(03-18-2020 11:02 PM)2Infinity Wrote:  There are reports that the common and very cheap anti-malarial drugs chloroquine & hydroxychloroquine have been found to help reduce the virus in patients (i think i read it may not help as much with the most severely infected patients though):

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41421-020-0156-0

Petition has been launched in the UK to conduct trials...hmm for some reason I can see pharmas trying to prevent this and rather get their own patented drugs used.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...ients.html


Quinine tonic, aka 'Indian tonic water' was the natural form that British troops in colonial India used to drink to prevent malaria, I believe the above two drugs were derived from quinine.

I'm checking Amazon and other sites and I'm noticing MANY of the higher quality brands with quinine are going Out of Stock...
Not sure how effective quinine would be given it's likely a lot less potent than the above drugs, but given it's available relatively easily in grocery stores compared to a prescription needed for chloroquinine, etc, I'm going to buy a few, might as well drink it instead of the usual sugarless soda I drink hah

(03-22-2020 09:09 AM)Stats Wrote:  
(03-22-2020 08:12 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  As promised , about the chloroquine treatment being criticized by my source
A bit of context : In France , there is a doctor called RAOULT making some videos saying that a treatment with chloroquine can stop the coronavirus.
(my personal note : the doctor seems to have a 30th degree free mason ring on his hand, and he wrote in a book in the past in favor of migrants...)

here is what the source says about Pr Didier RAOULT's treatment :

This doctor has been saying this , in a chronological order :
-This world is crazy , people worry for nothing , a few Chinese are dying on the other side of the planet , i don't really care about this"
-The seasonal flu is killing more every year more than this Coronavirus , it is stupid to worry
-France is ready and will be able to stop every risk of infection thanks to people like me
-Scooter accidents are provoking more death than Covid-19
-There is no risk of pandemics , in additional respiration viruses are seasonal , so at sprint it will be gone.

After being wrong at all level he has just published a video ( in french - Coronavirus , you are done) where he claims that Chinese people found Chloroquine treatment to stop it . This was some time ago and he was proven to be wrong.
For those who are interested in science / biology :
https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/w...I_IJAA.pdf

So , i will make it simple , the possibility of Chloroquine being a treament , why not - but his study , is absolute CRAP and I m proving it :

-When we test a remedy/medics - we create two groups . The first one gets a placebo , and the other group gets the treatment. This way , we can compare after a certain amount of time what happens to both. We try to do this with as many people as possible in the groups , so the result will be as realistic as possible. If the groups are too small , we cannot determine what is the part of luck or randomness - so the more people , the better it is .

The study in question here is an "open label, non-randomized clinical trial", which is the worst possible format of study , because both the doctor and the patient know in which group they are . Conventionally , it is best to do a protocol in double-blind (?) to avoid any manipulation - it is a basic security mechanism which the Prof. RAOULT ignored on purpose.

In addition , the fact that it is "non-randomized" means that the groups were not following a draw. The authors of the study deliberately choose who will get chloroquine and who won't. It is extremely problematic , since nothing proves us that he doesn't put "high potential" patients in a group and "low potential ' patients in another. Furthermore there is no reliable statistics in both group.

In the Chloroquine group - allegedly having good results - the authors have excluded 3 patients transferred in intensive care and 1 deceased patient. So if you are feeling better , we keep you in the Chloroquine group. If you go to intensive care or die , we do not count you in the group. They have even excluded from the group people suffering from too heavy side-effects....

There are many other bias (biases?) taken by Prof.RAOULT (or manipulations) - so for instance the chroloquine group patients have only been taken in Marseille - not in other parts of the country. The deceased patient has died after 3 days of study - while it was more than 24 hours that he was "negative" in viral load(?) . But this Prof. still explains that when the viral load has gone , the patient is fine....

So even if the study had been conducted very well - which wasn't the case- we can still die if ther is a negative viral load. So what is the point to make this study at all since the goal of the study is to measure the viral load ?!

To conclude - this was made on a very restricted amount of people . This is a simply a really bad study. This prof. is either a fraud or an idiot (or both) because everything he predicted so far was wrong - BUT - this doesn't mean that Chloroquine doesn't work , we simply don't know if it does , and even if it would it is potentially dangerous , even if it would suppress the viral load , which is not established in vivo , this wouldn't make it a reliable remedy since someone died 24 hours after having being tested negative.

Thanks. IMO this does not discredit cloroquine in any way as a potentially effective treatment only that one scientist ran bad protocol when studying it. As far as I know there are NO rigorous scientific studies proving its effecasy but it is reported to have been effective in the field in China, South Korea and australia. Also In vitro studies have clearly shown how it works as zink ionophore blocking virus entry into cells.

This drug supposedly stops the virus from reproducing in the body by creating a gate that allows zink into the cells which stops the virus from entering and gaining control of the cell. it produces a effect like acyclovir for herpes. if you already have too many infected cell causing damage you could still die from the virus as it does nothing to cure infected cells only slowing their spread in the body.

Hopefully with so much attention on it now we will get solid data in the next months about its real effecasy.

I call bullshit that CQ won't work. There were 3 different reports as stats mentioned that show promising results. A number of anecdotal testimonials coming out as well for it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/ar...virus.html
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Pulled this from Trump's Twitter feed:

NEW DATA: A French study has demonstrated evidence that the combination of Hydroxychloroquine & Azithromycin are highly effective in treating Covid-19.

The patients enrolled in the study showed complete viral eradication around the 5th day of treatment.

Question is this the flawed study by Witch doctor Didier Raoult or is this study by a different (competent) group?


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That’s why they are running two more studies in France, and it’s being used in multiple countries already.

We’ll get the data eventually.

It looks promising, and requires more study.
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(03-21-2020 03:45 PM)Dusty Wrote:  COVID-19 US deaths:

3/18 150, +38% from prior day
3/19 207, +38% from prior day
3/20 256, +24% from prior day

The daily death growth rate slowed yesterday. Let’s hope that’s a new trend. Only one data point though.

Huge difference between 38% daily growth, versus 24%.

The three day rolling average daily death growth rate is 33%. You take that out 30 days, and you have 1.4 million deaths. Let’s keep an eye on that and hope it decelerates.

Update

COVID-19 US deaths (Worldometer):

3/19 207, +38% from prior day
3/20 256, +24% from prior day
3/21 302, +18% from prior day

3 day rolling average daily growth rate: 27%. At that rate, the number of deaths doubles every three days.
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Quote:I’m going to tag onto what others have said earlier. I am a corneal surgeon, but first, I am a parent of 2 beautiful girls, husband of an amazing and understanding wife and son and brother of an incredible family. I must protect them, but unfortunately at this time, I must count on you to protect them as well.
I understand there is an insurmountable amount of information out there, but please scan through the slides I have attached, put together by an ER physician.
I have no choice right now but to continue to see emergent/urgent patients in clinic and do emergency surgeries. With my specialty, I see a lot of elderly individuals mixed with a large number of young patients. This is a nightmare situation because I walk in one room with a 24yo (most likely to be asymptomatic/mild symptoms) and then walk to another room with a high risk 80yo with lung disease. I had to see an 86yo gentleman on chemo the other day. If he were to be infected, he has up to a 30% chance of death based on age alone. Chemo probably makes it 2-3x that.
I have personally heard from doctors in Italy that are telling me stories of having to choose who lives and who dies because the system is exhausted. There are not enough ICUs and ventilators to treat everyone. There are places where so many doctors have been infected, and many have died, while caring for these patients that other specialties (including ophthalmologists) have no choice but to step in and work in ICUs. Trust me, you don’t want me setting your ventilator settings. I haven’t done that in almost a decade.
This isn’t a mean cold or even another flu. It’s a different beast that, at this time, can only be slowed by social distancing. It is inconvenient and very difficult at times, but absolutely necessary.
The worst is yet to come in the US, we can make it less terrible.
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These are the highlights from a long article published today:

Quote:New York state, meanwhile, now has more coronavirus cases than France or South Korea as the number of confirmed infections soared to 15,168, according to new data released by Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Sunday.

According to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, New York's outbreak is the worst in the United States. It has more COVID-19 cases than France, South Korea, Switzerland and the U.K. Washington state has the next highest number of cases at 1,647 followed by California with 1,518, according to a chart Cuomo presented at a press conference in Albany.

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U.S. President Donald Trump said on Twitter on Sunday that U.S. automakers Ford Motor Co, General Motors Co and Tesla Inc had been given the green light to produce ventilators and other items desperately needed during the coronavirus outbreak.

The lockdown affecting large segments of the American public to try to curb the spread of the coronavirus is likely to last 10 to 12 weeks, or until early June, U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on Sunday.

* * *

Nearly one in four Americans, or 80 million, were under orders to close up shop and stay home as New York, California, Illinois, Connecticut and New Jersey instituted statewide lockdowns. "Unless we tell people to stay home and to stop interacting in the way they were, we are going to see more and more, thousands more, tens of thousands of more deaths than we otherwise would,” Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker told CNN on Sunday.

https://www.newsmax.com/us/cuomo-newyork...id/959410/
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Quote:There will be 27 million coronavirus test kits available to patients by the end of the month, a White House official added Saturday.

Over 10 million kits have been distributed to labs nationwide in the first two weeks of March, said. US Assistant Health Secretary Brett Giroir.

“We promised 1 to 4 million, there’s 10 million tests that are in the market now,” Giroir said. Another 17 million more are coming by the end of the month.

Appearing alongside Trump at a daily coronavirus task force briefing at the White House on Saturday, Vice President Mike Pence said that test results are in for about 195,000 Americans, and others have been tested at thousands of labs whose data has not yet been rolled in. More than 19,000 had been diagnosed as having the virus.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/testing...id/959346/
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(03-22-2020 11:38 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  
Quote:New York state, meanwhile, now has more coronavirus cases than France or South Korea as the number of confirmed infections soared to 15,168, according to new data released by Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Sunday.

According to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, New York's outbreak is the worst in the United States. It has more COVID-19 cases than France, South Korea, Switzerland and the U.K. Washington state has the next highest number of cases at 1,647 followed by California with 1,518, according to a chart Cuomo presented at a press conference in Albany.

New York state, thankfully, has relatively few cases. Almost all the cases are in NYC and the surrounding area. There's no better demonstration of the problem of large financial metropolises being put under the same governance as rural places, smaller working class cities, college towns, etc. than New York state. An entire state dedicated to that one damn city. And now the stigma (lol) of this virus is being smeared around the state.
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(03-22-2020 09:34 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
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(03-22-2020 09:03 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  
(03-22-2020 08:22 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  
(03-22-2020 07:29 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Internal WHO report (confidential , won't be published)

This notation system takes into account the measures already taken , that's why in this report you won't see Italy or China or South Korea for example.

All the countries below are classified under 3 categories - all of them present a high risk of virus propagation and many casualties to come. Cat 1 is the worse (expect bad things to happen) and Cat 3 is the less bad. But even cat 3 are still in the HIGH-RISK .
This is of course based on yesterday's situation:

HIGH RISK COUNTRIES

Cat 1 - Portugal , Ecuador , Turkey.
Cat 2 - Luxembourg , Norway , Denmark ,Brazil , Indonesia , Belgium , Switzerland , Germany.
Cat 3 - Austria , Algeria , Sweden , Netherlands , UK , USA , France , Spain , Iran.

USA hast just moved to Cat 2
Peru and Greece enter in the list ( not precised where but i think that means in cat 3)

Why is Turkey, which took this thing very seriously from the beginning, Cat 1, while UK and USA which are still ineffectively flailing around are somehow Cat 3? What is the reasoning for this?

And how did Iran not end up in Cat 1?

Cat 3 is highest risk and Cat 1 is lowest risk.

no,it's the opposite. cat 1 is the riskiest.
Turkey hasn't taken things seriously at all since the beginning.They were one of the last to act.

Obviously it isn't.

Iran, Spain, etc are far more dangerous to be in than Norway, where there are only a few deaths.
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Quote:Breaking NEWS: Can quercetin help us to avoid the threat of coronavirus infection?
by: Lori Alton, staff writer | March 21, 2020

(NaturalHealth365) As COVID-19 continues its march across the globe – and officials warn of a “tsunami” of newly-diagnosed cases and continuing fatalities in the U.S. – a team of Canadian researchers is basing their hopes on quercetin, a flavonoid from plants.

At the center of this flurry of optimism is research helmed by Dr. Michael Chrétien, a renowned scientist at the Clinical Research Institute of Montreal. Along with his co-researcher, Congolese scientist Majambu Mbikay, Dr. Chrétien is currently awaiting approval to send the drug (derived from plants) to China for clinical trials that will test it against the novel coronavirus.

While this would be the first clinical study to test quercetin against COVID-19, natural health experts have long credited this natural plant pigment with the ability to deal with a variety of viruses. In fact, Dr. Chrétien describes quercetin as a “broad spectrum antiviral” that has been shown in studies to be effective against such formidable diseases as SARS, the Ebola virus, and the Zika virus.

Incoming data from quercetin trial will be monitored minute-by-minute from Montreal

In a series of interviews and articles, Dr. Chrétien has released details of the imminent study. Once the team is granted approval to send the quercetin to China, samples will be delivered to the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Wuhan.

Canadian and Chinese scientists will then collaborate on the trials, which will involve about 1,000 test patients. Drs. Chretien and Mbikay will join colleagues from the non-profit International Consortium of Antivirals (which Chrétien helped to found in 2004 as a response to the SARS epidemic) in maintaining a round-the-clock communications center.

From there, they will be able monitor patients’ progress in Wuhan, including viewing patients’ charts and X-rays. According to Dr. Chrétien, it may be possible to have results on quercetin’s ability to treat COVID within 60 days of the beginning of the trial.

“Bingo! It works!” Groundbreaking researcher’s earlier studies on SARS and Ebola laid the groundwork for current COVID research

Since the 2003 SARS outbreak – which infected over 8,000 patients in 26 countries – Dr. Chrétien has been studying potential treatments (including quercetin) for the virus, in the event that it resurfaces. And, while clinical trials haven’t yet been performed, quercetin has shown great promise in combating SARS (severe acute respiratory distress) in animal models.

This is very significant, because COVID-19 is structurally similar to SARS. In fact, the new coronavirus is also known as SARS-CoV-2.
And, earlier research has given cause for hope.

In a 2014 study published in Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, Drs. Chrétien and Mbikay concluded that a glucosylated form of quercetin (Quercetin 3-B-O-D glucoside) targeted various steps of viral entry and protected mice against the Ebola virus.

The team also learned that pre-treatment with quercetin, rather than post-treatment, offered the best protection. In a recent interview with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation News Network, Dr. Chrétien offered a more informal reaction to the Ebola study’s encouraging results.

“Bingo! It worked!” he recalled.

Dr. Chrétien, who is generally recognized as one of the most renowned scientists and medical researchers in the world, has a strong emotional and professional connection with China.

He received training under noted Chinese researcher Dr. C.H. Li, and served as an honorary professor at both the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences and Peking Union Medical College.

This therapy is non-toxic, safe and pre-approved for use by humans

The good news: the FDA has already approved quercetin as safe for human consumption – meaning that no animal testing is necessary. This also means that if the treatment works, it should be available quickly.

The quercetin will be in the form of easily-administered oral supplements. And, Dr. Chrétien asserts that quercetin is so safe that even the high doses used in the study will not cause side effects.

Co-researcher Dr. Mbikay notes that quercetin would cost a mere $2 a day – a negligible amount that stands in stark contrast to the $1,000-per- injection cost of existing COVID-19 treatments. “It (quercetin) doesn’t even compare in price,” Dr. Mbikay pointed out.

He added that he is particularly hopeful that quercetin could eventually be used to ease outbreaks in African countries – which he says lack the infrastructure for treating COVID-19.

A natural way to inhibit viral replication and defeat influenza

Quercetin, a plant pigment found in fruits and vegetables, is currently used to treat inflammatory diseases, reduce allergy symptoms and lower cholesterol.

But what is particularly relevant – especially now – is quercetin’s ability to boost the immune system and interfere with viral replication. In a review published in Viruses, the authors concluded that quercetin inhibited viral infections in the early stages – particularly during viral attachment and viral-cell fusion.

Quercetin has already shown the ability to inhibit both the A and B types of influenza, along with the H1N1 and the H3N2 viruses. Some forward-thinking physicians in the US already credit quercetin with being both safer and more effective than Tamiflu, the “gold standard” of medical therapies for influenza.

And, researchers are reporting that viruses seem to be incapable of developing immunity to quercetin – another huge plus.

To boost your own intake of dietary quercetin, opt for healthy amounts of organic unpeeled apples, dark cherries, cocoa, dark leafy greens, green tea and onions.


Quercetin is also available as a supplement, with natural healers advising typical dosages of 500 mg twice a day. As always, consult your own integrative healthcare provider before adding quercetin to your immune-boosting routine.

Discover a safe way to improve quercetin bioavailability and “supercharge” its therapeutic potential

It’s simple: be sure to consume vitamin C! Natural health experts already know that vitamin C has antioxidant, immune system-boosting and antiviral effects.

As reported previously in NaturalHealth365, high-dose IV vitamin C is already being used throughout China to help combat the COVID-19 outbreak – with three different new studies winning approval. On March 3, the government of Shanghai, China, announced its official recommendation that COVID-19 should be treated with high amounts of IV vitamin C.

Chinese scientists and physicians are reporting that high-dose vitamin C is achieving “good results in clinical applications.” They credit the nutrient with improving endothelial function and treating acute lung injury and respiratory distress.

In addition, vitamin C helps to regenerate quercetin and maintain its antioxidant properties – leading researchers to believe that combining the two could pack a double virus-fighting punch. And preliminary research seems to back this up!

In a study published in Journal of Research in Medical Sciences, researchers found that a combination of 500 mg of quercetin and 250 mg of vitamin C lessened cell damage and caused a marker of inflammation to decrease by 62 percent.

Natural health experts are currently recommending dosages of 3,000 to 6,000 mg of vitamin C a day to fight viral infection.
However, consult your own integrative doctor before supplementing, because you may need much more – depending on the intensity of your infection.

Naturally, a strong immune system is of premier importance – especially in times such as these. Staying well hydrated, getting good quality sleep, keeping physically active, and eating organic fresh food can pay off in terms of maintaining a strong immune system.

No doubt, the question of whether quercetin is effective against COVID-19 remains to be seen in clinical studies. Dr. Chrétien, himself, is careful to warn against “false hope.” But, given the encouraging results of earlier studies, the hopes for quercetin may, indeed, be based in reality.

https://www.naturalhealth365.com/quercet...-3337.html
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covidusa.net

COVID-19 U.S. extrapolated patients, ICU beds, deaths at current rates.

Looks like 7 days will end up being very accurate, 14 days less accurate yet usefully foretelling, and 30 days irrelevant because progress will keep being made as days go by.

Forgive if dupe.
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I guess Merkel should get a 2nd opinion...? Rolleyes
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It takes a virus to make her retire. I am keeping a bottle of Winzer Sekt just in case.
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Quote:New York state, meanwhile, now has more coronavirus cases than France or South Korea as the number of confirmed infections soared to 15,168, according to new data released by Gov. Andrew Cuomo on Sunday.

According to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University, New York's outbreak is the worst in the United States. It has more COVID-19 cases than France, South Korea, Switzerland and the U.K. Washington state has the next highest number of cases at 1,647 followed by California with 1,518, according to a chart Cuomo presented at a press conference in Albany.

New York state, thankfully, has relatively few cases. Almost all the cases are in NYC and the surrounding area. There's no better demonstration of the problem of large financial metropolises being put under the same governance as rural places, smaller working class cities, college towns, etc. than New York state. An entire state dedicated to that one damn city. And now the stigma (lol) of this virus is being smeared around the state.

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Dr Chrétien is legit. He’s the former PM Jean Chrétien’s little brother.

This article came out a month ago, so I don’t know how “breaking” the story is.

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Rand Paul caught it.

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How much you want to bet he’ll be on chloroquine.
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