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@kosko and absolutely nothing for small business owners or the self employed, $55B = tax deferrals though.

Wonder how all the farms in the country are going to deal with the loss of tens of thousands of temporary foreign workers that they use during the fruit picking months. Namely concerns on the food supply chain, I guess we'll see canadians start to work those jobs again, similar to the tree planters in BC.

BC has declared a state of emergency, giving them sweeping police powers, criminal court cases are being delayed by three months...

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Well we’re going to see how many Canucks are up to their tits in debt financing lifestyles they can’t afford to show off on Facebook, fucking morons. They’ll be screaming for the government to help them out, they can piss up a tree. Seriously, I live well within my means, you should see my car, people probably think I’m on welfare haha but others just spend like drunken sailors, our free spending, easy credit culture really needs to change.

This really is going to suck, here I was looking at buying a half a million dollar house two weeks ago, I’m definitely going to wait and see what happens, Alberta is in deep shit! I may have to move back east and hunt seals for a living lol.

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^^ What percent of Canadians are out of work right now? Servers, bartenders, gym workers, court system workers, lawyers...most of those people live month to month and won’t be able to make it. Actually, most of them probably live week to week. This is going to start cascading into other segments of the economy.

The oil colonies are in trouble. $20 a barrel oil does more to stop a pipeline project more than any hereditary chief protest.
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I feel alright economically at the moment due to my debt free life, being a front line nurse and present living accomodations. But if this economy continues to tank, there can be no doubt wage and benefit decreases are on the table for even nurses, especially if a majority of canadians are not getting paid at all. The one downside so far is the very high chance that i get sick with coronachan.
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(03-18-2020 07:28 PM)frozen-ace Wrote:  ^^ What percent of Canadians are out of work right now? Servers, bartenders, gym workers, court system workers, lawyers...most of those people live month to month and won’t be able to make it. Actually, most of them probably live week to week. This is going to start cascading into other segments of the economy.

The oil colonies are in trouble. $20 a barrel oil does more to stop a pipeline project more than any hereditary chief protest.

A huge chunk, our economy is mostly service industry. Tourism/Trade/Retail/Restaurants

There's such a huge % (I think majority) of the population that is linked to the state (either via social programs, pensions, public sector) that they'll be fine until Canada crumbles as a state.

Another chunk are employed by the private oligopolies (banking, telecom, grocers) that benefit from state protection and a lack of true free market capitalism (too big to fail)

This is going to sink most self-employed, small business owner and independent minded blue collar types. Take the measure the government implemented to cover 10% of business wages intended to help small business owners not lay off staff. That does nothing when these same small business owners don't have the cash flow to stay open. It does help the big businesses (think Loblaws/Galen Weston) with a 10% subsidy

If they let debt and real estate to collapse, that's time to worry. It has propped up the economy the past decade (after resources saved the country in 08)

(03-18-2020 08:02 PM)uncledick Wrote:  I feel alright economically at the moment due to my debt free life, being a front line nurse and present living accomodations. But if this economy continues to tank, there can be no doubt wage and benefit decreases are on the table for even nurses, especially if a majority of canadians are not getting paid at all. The one downside so far is the very high chance that i get sick with coronachan.

After a health crisis, you'll be fine, there's no way they'll be political appetite to go after health care and the nurses unions. I don't see Kenney and Ford continuing with their HC sector cuts.

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If we had more pipelines we’d be getting more money per barrel of oil as I understand it, so they may hurry the construction of mor oil and gas pipelines to improve the economy. Silly things like hereditary chief drama and Swedish meat ball enviro puppets will be forgotten, Trudeau could even send in the army to shoot protestors for all I care.

Hopefully PM sock boy steps up his leadership game, he does admire Chinas basic dictatorship and their ability to turn their economy around on a dime, perhaps he’ll use this as an opportunity to get some stuff built across the country.

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I think Justin is just trying his hardest to not be similar to his dad, otherwise you’d see similar swagger to PET’s “just watch me”

Managed to convince a pair of friends to leave Vancouver for the next few months.

One to the island and the other the interior

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I know a couple people who got out of town recently, and they said the flights were empty. I guess it was only a matter of time. I don’t think the airlines have ever seen a storm like this before. Does this mean there is nobody left working at Rogue?

“More than 5,100 Air Canada flight attendants to be laid off amid massive COVID-19 slowdown.

Air Canada is set to lay off more than 5,100 members of its cabin crews because of a dramatic drop in flights related to the COVID-19 outbreak. The Canadian Union of Public Employees, which represents Air Canada flight attendants, confirmed the news, saying the layoffs will affect about 3,600 Air Canada crew members and all 1,549 of its members who work for the airline's Rouge subsidiary. That represents about half of the 10,000 crew members currently employed at Air Canada and Air Canada Rouge.”

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Sunwing, AirTransat and Westjet have all suspended international operations. They haven't announced layoffs yet since the Canadian gov is going to indirectly bail them out by contracting them to rescue whatever number of Canadians outside the country (3 million at a time give or take, not sure how many managed to get back this past week)

Air Canada will get one too since it's a former crown corp. They'll probably be the only Canadian airline allowed to continue to operate internationally in the coming months.

Gary Schwartz (ONEX) is not having a good month, spent over $5B on Westjet last summer, his deal to sell Cineplex is going to fall through most likely and his wife's retail chain Chapters is going probably not going to survive.

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(03-20-2020 04:50 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  Sunwing, AirTransat and Westjet have all suspended international operations. They haven't announced layoffs yet since the Canadian gov is going to indirectly bail them out by contracting them to rescue whatever number of Canadians outside the country (3 million at a time give or take, not sure how many managed to get back this past week)

Air Canada will get one too since it's a former crown corp. They'll probably be the only Canadian airline allowed to continue to operate internationally in the coming months.

Gary Schwartz (ONEX) is not having a good month, spent over $5B on Westjet last summer, his deal to sell Cineplex is going to fall through most likely and his wife's retail chain Chapters is going probably not going to survive.

Book stores should be doing fine if you have a good online store and you can fulfill shipments quickly, logistics and Canada Post are deemed essential services and won't shut down so book stores should be busy as Amazon has pivoted towards prioritizing staple goods.
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(03-20-2020 06:11 AM)kosko Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 04:50 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  Sunwing, AirTransat and Westjet have all suspended international operations. They haven't announced layoffs yet since the Canadian gov is going to indirectly bail them out by contracting them to rescue whatever number of Canadians outside the country (3 million at a time give or take, not sure how many managed to get back this past week)

Air Canada will get one too since it's a former crown corp. They'll probably be the only Canadian airline allowed to continue to operate internationally in the coming months.

Gary Schwartz (ONEX) is not having a good month, spent over $5B on Westjet last summer, his deal to sell Cineplex is going to fall through most likely and his wife's retail chain Chapters is going probably not going to survive.

Book stores should be doing fine if you have a good online store and you can fulfill shipments quickly, logistics and Canada Post are deemed essential services and won't shut down so book stores should be busy as Amazon has pivoted towards prioritizing staple goods.
Independent/niche Bookstores? Yes. Chapters? No

Chapters/Indigo is like 20% Starbucks 50% Made in China faux-artisan plastic trinkets and only 30% books.
CEO Heather even admits their retail strategy is “thrill of the hunt” focused on the high margin plastic, while their stores act as a place to hang out/chill alone (and recently joined most other big box stores in closing temporarily)

During the best quarter for retail, Q4 sales dropped 12% online, 10-11% for their big box and small scale stores.
They can’t make $400M just selling books online, independent/individual sellers take up the niche/used book market while large scale have to compete with amazon and their commoditization of new/wide releases. You can bet on them if you like, approaching penny stock status, falling from grace at $20/share back in 2018

https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/
Less than a quarter of home page dedicated to books.

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(03-20-2020 06:40 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 06:11 AM)kosko Wrote:  
(03-20-2020 04:50 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  Sunwing, AirTransat and Westjet have all suspended international operations. They haven't announced layoffs yet since the Canadian gov is going to indirectly bail them out by contracting them to rescue whatever number of Canadians outside the country (3 million at a time give or take, not sure how many managed to get back this past week)

Air Canada will get one too since it's a former crown corp. They'll probably be the only Canadian airline allowed to continue to operate internationally in the coming months.

Gary Schwartz (ONEX) is not having a good month, spent over $5B on Westjet last summer, his deal to sell Cineplex is going to fall through most likely and his wife's retail chain Chapters is going probably not going to survive.

Book stores should be doing fine if you have a good online store and you can fulfill shipments quickly, logistics and Canada Post are deemed essential services and won't shut down so book stores should be busy as Amazon has pivoted towards prioritizing staple goods.
Independent/niche Bookstores? Yes. Chapters? No

Chapters/Indigo is like 20% Starbucks 50% Made in China faux-artisan plastic trinkets and only 30% books.
CEO Heather even admits their retail strategy is “thrill of the hunt” focused on the high margin plastic, while their stores act as a place to hang out/chill alone (and recently joined most other big box stores in closing temporarily)

During the best quarter for retail, Q4 sales dropped 12% online, 10-11% for their big box and small scale stores.
They can’t make $400M just selling books online, independent/individual sellers take up the niche/used book market while large scale have to compete with amazon and their commoditization of new/wide releases. You can bet on them if you like, approaching penny stock status, falling from grace at $20/share back in 2018

https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/
Less than a quarter of home page dedicated to books.

Lol it's so true because Chapters is basically just a social dump for introverts as it is never truly crazy busy there.

Independent bookstore of they don't have thier head in the dumps should be using this period to push digital marketing to remind people that thier local independent bookstore is better than Amazon and they can get them books quickly during this time.

Off topic but realated...

This crisis is really showing the true stripes of the business community. I'm getting fucked here as I work with the business community closely and have to pivot how I do work but I'm not defeated in my mindset. My blood books with talking to many businesses owners who are ready to give up. I suspect many of these folks are new-ish and were not in business during the recession.

Many business owners still sitting waiting on walk in traffic and crying that it has evaporated....

Very clear this trend was downward anyhow before the virus. Some clients I have are doing just as good or even better as they focus purely on online. As long as logistics and goods can move they can ship product and have pumped money into targeted marketing to reach people with money sitting at home. That type of grit gives me a chub. You gotta be positive as you can because If you sit and wait for the unknown you're fucked.

This crisis also should be a slap into the face of the working community -- the need of your skills and work is being tested. You should be in the mindset of being in a field that is essential, trades, professional, technical, automation proof, value addition (sales), or a business owner (You can view this crisis as a great opportunity or a death with depending on your mindset as a business owner. My friend has basically started a telemarketing company and is poaching now laid off talent to work at home and drive sales. "I'll train them over Skype, nothing is stopping me from grinding'). If you're a worker who works some service type role start learning new skills while you're at home now. Now. You're job has no future and may not even return.

This crisis is going to filter out the hobby business owner. The gritty ones will survive. This crisis will also trim fat of the workforce where goofy service type jobs where Becky stands around on her iPhone all day just won't return.
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Announced this morning, the Federal Gov't will be closing the Roxham Road QC not-a-border-crossing which has seen a steady flow of "refugees" for the past 3 years.

Organizations such as the Vermont Refugee Centre and others have been actively assisting and busing these people to the border for a long time now. No doubt they will just shift their focus elsewhere, but it's a start.

https://www.cp24.com/news/canada-to-bloc...-1.4861515

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Quote:But the move stunned the Canadian Council for Refugees.

“During a pandemic, we must uphold our commitments to protecting the rights of refugees and vulnerable migrants. This includes our fundamental legal obligation to not turn refugees away at the borders,” said Janet Dench, the organization's executive director, said in an email.

“We are shocked that the government of Canada is not prepared to live up to that commitment.”

I'm guessing Janet Dench doesn't have any family members who are unable to access a hospital bed. If you're inclined to look her up, she looks pretty much like you can imagine.

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(03-20-2020 07:49 AM)kosko Wrote:  This crisis is really showing the true stripes of the business community. I'm getting fucked here as I work with the business community closely and have to pivot how I do work but I'm not defeated in my mindset. My blood books with talking to many businesses owners who are ready to give up. I suspect many of these folks are new-ish and were not in business during the recession.

Many business owners still sitting waiting on walk in traffic and crying that it has evaporated....

Very clear this trend was downward anyhow before the virus. Some clients I have are doing just as good or even better as they focus purely on online. As long as logistics and goods can move they can ship product and have pumped money into targeted marketing to reach people with money sitting at home. That type of grit gives me a chub. You gotta be positive as you can because If you sit and wait for the unknown you're fucked.

This crisis also should be a slap into the face of the working community -- the need of your skills and work is being tested. You should be in the mindset of being in a field that is essential, trades, professional, technical, automation proof, value addition (sales), or a business owner (You can view this crisis as a great opportunity or a death with depending on your mindset as a business owner. My friend has basically started a telemarketing company and is poaching now laid off talent to work at home and drive sales. "I'll train them over Skype, nothing is stopping me from grinding'). If you're a worker who works some service type role start learning new skills while you're at home now. Now. You're job has no future and may not even return.

This crisis is going to filter out the hobby business owner. The gritty ones will survive. This crisis will also trim fat of the workforce where goofy service type jobs where Becky stands around on her iPhone all day just won't return.

Absolutely. This has been my busiest month in years.

Of course I don't have a ton of clients so if one or two can't ride this out then maybe I will be in trouble later, but as of now everyone is calling me and saying "double down on marketing, make more content, take a rush fee".

But those guys are in for the long haul and salivating over opportunities right now.

Meanwhile our local small business owners are whining online about needing govt bailouts, or copy-pasting some meme about how I should purchase a gift certificate from them. Why the hell would I let some tiny local business hold onto my cash if they can't even manage their money well enough to ride out some down months or start hustling to do delivery orders?

Sad sack stuff, man.
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(03-20-2020 07:49 AM)kosko Wrote:  This crisis is really showing the true stripes of the business community. I'm getting fucked here as I work with the business community closely and have to pivot how I do work but I'm not defeated in my mindset. My blood books with talking to many businesses owners who are ready to give up. I suspect many of these folks are new-ish and were not in business during the recession.

Many business owners still sitting waiting on walk in traffic and crying that it has evaporated....

Very clear this trend was downward anyhow before the virus. Some clients I have are doing just as good or even better as they focus purely on online. As long as logistics and goods can move they can ship product and have pumped money into targeted marketing to reach people with money sitting at home. That type of grit gives me a chub. You gotta be positive as you can because If you sit and wait for the unknown you're fucked.

This crisis also should be a slap into the face of the working community -- the need of your skills and work is being tested. You should be in the mindset of being in a field that is essential, trades, professional, technical, automation proof, value addition (sales), or a business owner (You can view this crisis as a great opportunity or a death with depending on your mindset as a business owner. My friend has basically started a telemarketing company and is poaching now laid off talent to work at home and drive sales. "I'll train them over Skype, nothing is stopping me from grinding'). If you're a worker who works some service type role start learning new skills while you're at home now. Now. You're job has no future and may not even return.

This crisis is going to filter out the hobby business owner. The gritty ones will survive. This crisis will also trim fat of the workforce where goofy service type jobs where Becky stands around on her iPhone all day just won't return.

Absolutely. This has been my busiest month in years.

Of course I don't have a ton of clients so if one or two can't ride this out then maybe I will be in trouble later, but as of now everyone is calling me and saying "double down on marketing, make more content, take a rush fee".

But those guys are in for the long haul and salivating over opportunities right now.

Meanwhile our local small business owners are whining online about needing govt bailouts, or copy-pasting some meme about how I should purchase a gift certificate from them. Why the hell would I let some tiny local business hold onto my cash if they can't even manage their money well enough to ride out some down months or start hustling to do delivery orders?

Sad sack stuff, man.

I have noticed that marketing has increased all around too. I should get on it too, and take advantage of some extra downtime after having three projects get put on hold. But I am busy now with some work, but the best time to market is when I am still busy.

So far all the guys I do business with are keen and pushing hard for new work too. But being BC, a lot are just saying fuck it and looking for some welfare. In the end, a lot of us have said that its "us who are keeping each other fed, fuck relying on the government".

I just need to keep away from this tsunami of sickness going around. If I can stay healthy, I can stay in business through this.
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Of course Trudeau's foreigner ban includes exemptions for
-Temporary Foreign workers
-Student visas

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(03-21-2020 08:22 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  Of course Trudeau's foreigner ban includes exemptions for
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tard

I can say for Temporary Foreign Workers that many of them work in agriculture, my buddy has 25 Jamaicans.

Canadian Labour can not do these jobs, or hasn't in 20 years. They also won't do these jobs for $15/hour when they can sit on their asses and collect pogey. Still if the social welfare benefits of Canadians weren't so bad you could reclaim a lot of local jobs. But lets face it, modern day Canadians are soft.

Crops are getting put in right now, and some perrenials like asparagus start getting cut this weekend. Domestic agricultural production should be protected.

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(03-21-2020 09:07 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  
(03-21-2020 08:22 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  Of course Trudeau's foreigner ban includes exemptions for
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tard

I can say for Temporary Foreign Workers that many of them work in agriculture, my buddy has 25 Jamaicans.

Canadian Labour can not do these jobs, or hasn't in 20 years. They also won't do these jobs for $15/hour when they can sit on their asses and collect pogey. Still if the social welfare benefits of Canadians weren't so bad you could reclaim a lot of local jobs. But lets face it, modern day Canadians are soft.

Crops are getting put in right now, and some perrenials like asparagus start getting cut this weekend. Domestic agricultural production should be protected.

Yeah I brought it up at the top of this thread and on the coronavirus one, that’s 40,000-50,000 migrant farm hands. No issue with this for the most part, they go back home once harvest is over and maintain the food supply chain like you said important for domestic agriculture.

They only make up around 15% of TFW though (TFW total 400K+) and 500K people applied for EI the past week alone

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(03-21-2020 09:07 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  
(03-21-2020 08:22 AM)Emancipator Wrote:  Of course Trudeau's foreigner ban includes exemptions for
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tard

I can say for Temporary Foreign Workers that many of them work in agriculture, my buddy has 25 Jamaicans.

Canadian Labour can not do these jobs, or hasn't in 20 years. They also won't do these jobs for $15/hour when they can sit on their asses and collect pogey. Still if the social welfare benefits of Canadians weren't so bad you could reclaim a lot of local jobs. But lets face it, modern day Canadians are soft.


Crops are getting put in right now, and some perrenials like asparagus start getting cut this weekend. Domestic agricultural production should be protected.

I always have to comment on these. The only reason that jamaicans are working in canadian agriculture is because the government allows it, it is not because "canadians won't do it"

Here is my example, why in Canada to native born canadian college students and hippies work seasonal forestry jobs but jamaicans work all of the agriculture jobs? Is it because Jamaicans are afraid of black bears? Its especially confusing because in America, mexicans commonly float between seasonal agriculture and seasonal forestry. The same workers do both.

Its because of the law. I tried, unsuccessfully, to get the law changed in Ontario to extend the seasonal worker exemption to forestry workers in the 1990s on behalf of my employer. We compared the american and canadian laws and the language regarding agriculture etc. There are no seasonal jamaicans planting trees or thinning brush because the law doesn't allow it, if it did, they would all be there too.

So, what happened to the seasonal forestry business in Canada? Did the work not get done? Does it still exist? Of course it got done and still exists, companies had to pay more to hire the contractors because they were all citizens. The price is darn high for the work, and so companies are always looking for ways to do it without physical labor or have machines do it.

Temporary foreign workers just undercut the national labor market and prevent price, process or industry corrections to make the business profitable. If apple orchards couldn't hire jamaicans, and canadians were too expensive, someone would figure out a way to make a better mechanical harvester. Instead, jamaicans are used as a legal back stop to innovation.

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(03-21-2020 03:44 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  I always have to comment on these. The only reason that jamaicans are working in canadian agriculture is because the government allows it, it is not because "canadians won't do it"

Where I live in wine country they use a lot of Mexican temp laborers to pick, among other field work.

They blow the locals out of the water in efficiency. It's not even close.

Some local young people go to help sometimes. My girlfriend (who works at a winery) is one. She came home and said that the Mexicans are so much better than the locals it's crazy.

They are specialists in this case, and it makes sense to use them. Very similar to flying in consultants from France (which they also do) to advise on the barrel programs and blending trials.

So it's not just a case of "not wanting the job" (which NoMoreTo is right, a lot of lazy ass BC kids don't want it... I know several small business owners across many categories that report this), it's also a case of the foreign workers being much more suited to it and so it is a well-calculated business decision that goes into quality of product and not simply the bottom line.

For fine wines, no one (winemaker nor drinker) wants grapes that are mechanically harvested, given the choice.
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When I was a teenager people used to go wherever they went to pick tobacco, earn and save a ton of dough.

McDonalds and places like that were employing high school kids.

We have done, and can do jobs like that.
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Starting to see some things like this regarding the emergency resumption of Parliament tomorrow:
Liberal bill on coronavirus would give feds power to spend, tax without parliamentary approval

Quote:Global News has seen a copy of the legislation set to be tabled Tuesday when a small number of MPs from all parties return to Ottawa to pass a multibillion-dollar coronavirus support package.

The legislation grants Finance Minister Bill Morneau extraordinary new powers to spend, borrow and tax without having to get the approval of opposition MPs until December 2021.

So basically sidestepping any risk of a no-confidence motion and kicking the can further down the road, in the (sadly, probably accurate) estimation that the average Canadian voter will quickly acclimatize to whatever the new normal is, and forget about what a fuckup Trudeau has been.

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(03-16-2020 04:11 PM)Laner Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 01:58 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  Many new cases are linked to an international dental conference (15000 people), imagine getting your cleaning and a virus...
That same weekend was Rugby 7s too

That dental conference is going to be our 'superspreader'.

My wife's best friend went there, even after my warnings not too. She came into contact with the German guy who spread it around. He was the keynote speaker on day one, and had an entourage of dozens of people in order to keep him on schedule. So far she is OK, but information has only been released very recently, and in the mean time she has been going in to her lab every day.

If BC is only testing those who are admitted to hospital, we are certain to have already thousands of cases. Keep this in mind; That all of our 'confirmed' stats are those that are suffering from advanced stages of the virus.

And now we have a dentist dead, healthy father with two kids.
20 from that conference in BC, several dozens from outside the province. Yet the BC told the organizers they were good to go.


Quebec and Ontario both now lockdown

That's a brutal measure passed by parliament allowing Morneau and Trudeau free reigns in a damn minority government until the end of 2021...

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(03-23-2020 09:32 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 04:11 PM)Laner Wrote:  
(03-16-2020 01:58 PM)Emancipator Wrote:  Many new cases are linked to an international dental conference (15000 people), imagine getting your cleaning and a virus...
That same weekend was Rugby 7s too

That dental conference is going to be our 'superspreader'.

My wife's best friend went there, even after my warnings not too. She came into contact with the German guy who spread it around. He was the keynote speaker on day one, and had an entourage of dozens of people in order to keep him on schedule. So far she is OK, but information has only been released very recently, and in the mean time she has been going in to her lab every day.

If BC is only testing those who are admitted to hospital, we are certain to have already thousands of cases. Keep this in mind; That all of our 'confirmed' stats are those that are suffering from advanced stages of the virus.

And now we have a dentist dead, healthy father with two kids.
20 from that conference in BC, several dozens from outside the province. Yet the BC told the organizers they were good to go.


Quebec and Ontario both now lockdown

That's a brutal measure passed by parliament allowing Morneau and Trudeau free reigns in a damn minority government until the end of 2021...

"Never let a crisis go to waste"

Yeah fucked up.

Some of the Alberta clusters are being traced back to the conference.

Also fuckn gas pumps. My sister is due to give birth on Thursday, and her friend who works at the hospital just told her that they have two cases of community spread CV that was from a gas pump.

I filled all my vehicles yesterday, then cleaned the pump handle with alcohol swabs.

Also, something tells me that Pierre Poilievre might need to step into the game. I know he said he won't because of his new baby, but for real he seems PISSED. Calling on the Bloc yesterday to think about forming a new government with the tories is bold. But I like it. And with Kenney and Legault getting buddy-buddy why the hell not.

Trudeau just threw down all his cards and yelled "COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP" so why not counter that.
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Escape from Florida: My 2,400-km drive back to the sanity of Canada
https://www.macleans.ca/society/life/esc...of-canada/

Here’s an article by a typical smug Canadian of the Laurentian variety who thinks that Canadians are better than our neighbours to the south, especially the white idiots who vote for Trump. One part of the article did stick out though:
Quote: I think we can see the same thing in Canada. Quebec, which has a stronger sense of social solidarity than other provinces, has been quicker to act decisively, and thus may be spared the worst of this illness.

Usually Anglo media portrays Quebec as a xenophobic, racist place but apparently their inward looking society is benefiting them in this time of crisis.

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